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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, everyone. thank you for joining us. i'm don lemon. you are in the cnn newsroom. we start by taking you to the growing occupy wall street movement. now in its 23rd day of non-stop protests and the epicenter has been a park in lower manhattan in the financial district. occupy events have been popping up all over the country including this one in front of the whou. 100 people gathered to protest what they call corporate greed and social inequality. one person was arrested when he tried to throw his shoe over the white house fence. the secret service says the shoe hit a uniformed officer. and the man has been charged with assault. there you see him sitting on the sidewalk there. today's demonstration follows a tense confrontation. saturday outside of the air and space museum on the national mall. a couple hundred people were picketing in front of the museum. when they tried to force their way inside, guards responded
with pepper spray. >> the people did not want to shut down the museum. we did not want to inconvenience tourist but engage in a dialogue using our free speech rights. we never got past the metal detectors. security came rushing out. bum rushed us like a line of football players. corralled and pepper sprayed the first round of us. three people were detained. >> so the occupy movement first took root in lower manhattan three weeks ago. susan candiotti spoke to people who came from near and far to see it for themselves. >> reporter: eating a bowl of cereal after sleeping under the stars, this retiree and her teenager grandson took a bus from detroit to camp out with occupy wall street. >> tell me what this is like. you have this tarp. >> this is home. >> for a week, choosing to sleep on the ground under a blue tarp, mainly with young people in a public park. >> why was it important for you
to come here and bring your grandson? >> i felt the need to show support to the movement. the politicians apparently don't understand what people need. >> how are we doing? >> heshi gorewitz isn't sleeping without with pro-tetsers. >> are you camping out here? you are doing a great service. your generation, my generation, everybody. keep it up, man. >> reporter: the community college business profess who are founded a farm co-op is spending the day. he likes the mix of young and old, employed an unemployed trying to build a consensus. >> it is happier, bigger, more sophisticated and more real and more powerful than i ever do you have imagined it. it is -- the 99% is what it really is. let's not focus on what divides us. let's focus on what units us. that's the way to bring about
change. >> i see this movement as a movement of movements. >> this sociologist says movements like occupy wall street don't really need a leader. >> i think it's really about grassroots democracy. i think it is about people trying to create ways of expressing themselves politically because they feel the electoral channels are closed to them. >> reporter: change for a teacher, change for a retired grandmother worried about her grandson's future, all looking for signs that someone's listening. >> susan is joining us now. do people realize how the protests have spread across the country or are they in a vac qume out there? >> i think many of them do. remember a lot of the people here are adept at using social media and to a large degree that's how their message is getting around. also, don, they have set up an interesting community around here. for example, i don't know if you
can see past me. they have a sign set up here with the daily weather report that tells people what it will be like and what the rules of the camp are. for example, we observe quiet hours, that kind of thing. they try to be as organized as they can. yet, really going day-by-day deciding one day at a time what will happen the next day at one of these people assemblies. it is quiet a diverse group here as we try to indicate in that story that you just saw. >> all right. looks like, again, the crowd -- you are downtown but you were at the other one that was at washington square park yesterday. so they got more numbers there. i'm sure for you you have been covering this a long time, does it feel like groundhog's day or do you see it is growing, not only there but in washington square spark. >> it is busier this sunday than last sunday. we have 15 degrees warmer than last sunday. that's part of it, of course.
it is a sunday and people are off work and easier to get down here and look around. at the same time, we have clearly seen protests growing in different cities in the country. so yes, the numbers do appear to be growing, but not to the degree they were last wednesday. that was the largest march we saw when the unions joined in. we will wait and see what whether this has staying power, especially when it starts to get colder. >> that's certainly a question. thank you very much. for many people who grew up in the 60s, occupy wall street reminds them of the anti-war and civil rights movements. i ask civil rights icon, are dr. joseph lowrie for his impression about it. >> it reminds me definitely. this is a spontaneous people movement that has not come about in any long-range planning on anyone's part. it is spontaneous and it's, i
think, it's a spiritual explosion that is happening in this country. it may very well turn to a serious movement to help america straighten up and fly right. >> much more on the occupy movement ahead. over the next two hours. coming up, david wider in of the "wall street journal" will join us to discuss how it differs, if at all, from the tea party. the last gasps of forces loyal to moammar gadhafi. libya's new leaders on the national transitional council say they are in the final stages of the fight to take over gadhafi's hometown sirte. it's the most important remaining stronghold for gadhafi supporters. they are waiting for the city to fall before declaring liberation. gadhafi's whereabout s are unknown but ntc military
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fate a cult. here's what he said to jim acosta. the southern baptist convention, which is the largest protestant denomination in the world has officially labelled mormonism as a cult. i think romney is a good moral man but those who are born again followers of christ should always prefer a competent christian to a competent nonchristian like mitt romney. >> you know those remarks caused an uproar. romney didn't respond directly but called forred and to poisonous language. so let's talk about it now. will cain cnn contributor and lz granderson and a senior writer to espn. okay, guys, the three of us, we discussed this issue last week and will, i'm going to place something you had to say after ltz said a lot of republicans have a problem with mormonism. here it is.
>> all right. >> lz it is absurd. i travel in many conservative circles and have a good exposure to that electorate and not once have i heard someone say i have a problem with mitt romney and it boils down to the fact he's a mormon. >> will, you have the floor. >> yes. >> okay. so look, i'm going to walk that back a little bit. here's what i'm going to say. i may have under played a that a bit using words like "absurd." i want to say why someone like me may have an instinct chul response to under play that. sometimes i find myself surrounded by big gs got hunters. people who are dog whistle listeners and it puts me on the defense that i feel like i have to prove that i'm not a biggot. >> not saying you were suggesting that but whenever race or religion comes up this
is the place from which i have to start. now i might have been wrong in how i characterized it last week but my original position i will stand by. although there are people out there like the pastor in dallas who think this is an issue, i am behind the closed doors you guys talk about. and i don't think it is a big issue. it may be an issue, but it's not a big issue. >> remember, lz said it, i just -- >> i know. >> he said it. but what i will say that what i said to you after that was that it would be disingenious to think that that is at least not one part of it because we went through this four years ago. and so it's surprising we are going through it again and that we are giving it so much attention. there are bigger issues. you see the people on wall street, tea party, people don't have jobs, other issues are more important as we look at the live pictures coming from manhattan, the occupy wall street movement. so, lz, i was struck by the
pastor's comments why does he think he can question a presidential candidate's religious faith? >> look, first of all, i want to tell will you are still in denial. i don't know why you keep thinking conversations behind closed doors you are behind are somehow excluding romney's religion. mormonism is a problem because so many evangelical christians believe he's going to hell and no one wants to vote for anyone who's going to hell and i think that's the reason why people pay close attention to who the president is and who the president chooses to worship because the bible strictly says and if you are a fundamentalist and follow it literally it says no man can come to the father but me and those are jesus' word withes and you say this guy isn't following jesus, whoever he is following is not the right person. he's going to hell and i can't vote for someone going to hell and that's why we have the conversation over and over again. >> lz knows, i don't have a dog
in this fight. i believe nothing honestly. christianity, mormonism, they are competing myths to me. i don't understand that religion should be off the table. it seems religion is something that informs our decision making and world view and philosophical bearings. when we choose the free l.e.d. leader of the world i don't think we should except their religious believes. >> you said competing myths what do you mean. >> i'm agnostic, a nonbeliever. >> here's the thing. by doing this is this opening a powder keg because the catholic church, christianity, all religions have been compared by people who are against them or somebody that doesn't believe in god as cult like. couldn't the same argument be made about other religions? >> absolutely. if you look back at the beginning of christianity, as you were saying, you had jesus
saying everything that you were taught before me was wrong. what i am saying is true. if someone were going to get on television and say that you would look at them as a cult leader. that's the way jesus was looked at in his time. the most disturbing thing is there are so many opportunities for president obama and other individuals running if the white house to get in front of a microphone and say this is america. it doesn't matter what your religion is because we have freedom of rnl and freedom of expression and none of this should impact the white house but they duck it and pandering by saying no, i'm christian, or if you are romney you don't talk about it at all. someone needs to stand up and remind america what it stands for. right now we are only ducking the question because no one wants to offend the far right. >> you are preaching there. >> yeah. >> sorry. >> i usually try to make it short or shorter answers but i
think this is an important conversation. thank you. thank you for being honest here on television. will, what do you say to that? and does it help or hurt the republican party and most of all does it help or hurt the person he introdo you understanded which is rick perry. does anyone win in all of this? that's a tough question to answer, don. it goes back to your original question to me is how much does the issue matter to voters? i can't deny it matters something to some voters but the question none of us can answer is how much. to be honest, we are all guessing. will this help or hurt rick perry? i'm sure there are a segment of people that believe the same thing about mormonism. should he win the primary, i don't know. i think lz has some interesting things to say about religion but i don't think it answers the question that is if religion is
so important in what we are why should it be expect we exempt from the debate? appreciate your candor coming up and i like the honesty of the conversation. keep it up. thank you very much. the ultimate case of trying to find a need until a hay stack. look at the lengths one virginia woman is going through to find her husband's lost wedding band. their story will break your heart. and then, in one blinding blink of an eye, their tree had given its last. but with their raymond james financial advisor, they had prepared for even the unthinkable. and they danced. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you.
anniversary of the longest running world in afghanistan. one lowest points occurred in kaug chen an attack on a chinook helicopter killed americans. vaughn's widow was among them. his widow lost his wedding band. she had been wearing it since his death. she told me about the last conversationing they had on his 30th birthday. >> i told him to be careful and he said don't worry about me. he said i'm not afraid because i know where i'm going if something happens to me. aaron was a christian and he stood firm in his faith. >> so that was aaron's grandmother back in august when it first happened. now his wife is joining us now. since then, you have sadly lost your husband and now you lost one of the things that you think that was closest to you and him. >> absolutely. he left his wedding band with me before this deployment.
and the day that i found out he had been killed in action, i went downstairs and i had been wearing it on my right hand thumb ever since that day and i took a trip to texas last week and looked down on one of the flights and realized it was missing and that i had lost it. so it was pretty crushing. >> the producers asked you for a picture of the ring and you looked for it and you think this was the last time you wore it? >> absolutely. i was looking through my camera for another picture and i noticed on october 1st, i had taken this and i was wearing the ring. my father snapped it of me on the plane and i was like okay, that's one less place. i know it's not in the hotel or the rental car. that it is actually on the plane n the charlotte airport or on the next plane. thrifty rental car was wonderful they tracked down the rental car, took the seats out. pulled up the flooring to look for this ring.
that's really amazing to me that total strangers would be willing to do this for something -- although such little monetary value means -- it's just well, priceless for me. >> so i think anyone would say, you know what you have made a big effort. you have made a big effort here and others would say it is just an object. maybe you should give up and say it is an object. how do you feel about that? >> well, this kind of snowballed. it was basically a suggestion of a friend to put it on facebook, hoping to reach out to some people, maybe the cleaning crew in the airport, just someone that i wouldn't necessarily know who said, hey, i found that ring. and yes, it is small in value and people probably lose wedding bands or jewelry all the time, but to me it was just something tangible that my husband used to wear that i could wear that reminded me of our commitment and love. of course i'll move on and be
fine without it but it's a momento that meant lot to us that i'm hoping that i can get back. >> kimberly, are you going to ever give up? >> you know, it's a memory that i'll always have. it's not going to change the love that aaron and i shared. so -- excuse me, i'm just hoping that i can find it, that there's a good samaritan out there that will turn it in. you know it won't change my -- my focus now is raising my two wonderful children and remembering the love that aaron and i shared. >> i say you are going to find it because the whole world is looking for this ring. thank you for the sacrifice not only that your husband aaron made but the sacrifice that you made, your family and can you please tell geneva carson, the grandmother that we are all thinking of her and the rest of
the family. >> thank you so much for sharing my story. >> thank you. >> kimberly vaughn kick started her search by starting a support group on facebook. let's check in on the wedding band page. you can see it there. it has 11,000 members. again, thanks to kimberly and good luck to her. an important visitor is headed to the white house this week, and did you hear the voice of michael jackson this week? audiotapes of the pop star played during the trial of his doctor. it's a michael jackson you have never heard before. you don't just taste it, you feel it. ♪ do you believe in magic? ♪ ♪ it's magic ♪ [ male announcer ] it's a comfort that comes from the only caramel worthy of being wrapped in gold. ♪ do you believe in magic? [ male announcer ] werther's original caramel chocolate. what comfort tastes like.
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now to the big stories on the week ahead. from the white house to wall street to hollywood, our correspondents tell you where you need to go. we begin with the president's plans for the week. >> i'm dan lothian at the white house where this week president obama heads down the street and out of state as he visiteds with wounded service members on monday. on tuesday he heads to pittsburgh where he will meet with union members. the focus will be on job creation. he wraps up the day in orlando with fund-raisers. on thursday, a state visit, the white house welcomes the president and first lady of the republic of korea. i'm chris lawrence at the pentagon where after a brief break on monday to celebrate the columbus day holiday, the defense department kicks in to high gear. it's highlighted by the association of the u.s. army convention here in washington, d.c. most of the pentagon officials
will be there talking about the army's strategy, personnel. we expect to see some technology advances rolled out. the use of robots in the field. and then on thursday, the secretary of state and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff both head to captiol hill to testify on national service ten years after 9/11. i'm poppy harlow in new york. on the economic docket this week, retail sales figures for last month 0 out. the report will give us insight in to consuming spending as we approach the holiday shopping season. and we will have a look at consumer sentiment. the latest u.s. trade balance is due out along with import and export prices. a and the senate will vote on free trade deals with south korea, colombia and panama. track it all on cnnmoney. here's what we are watching this week. kim kardashian's over the top wedding airs on tv. was it worth the wait?
and cher on "dancing with the stars," will she show up and will her appearance help to keep chaz bono on the show? >> all right. let's look ahead at the nation's weather. storms are hitting the southeast and florida is getting soaked right now. jacqui jeras has the details for us. >> it's been an incredible amount of rain. it is flooding central and southern florida. look at the video we have. this is out of titusville area near the coast. you can see how much water's there. you are not supposed to drive through it. people, keep that in mind. a couple of rescues have taken place in florida. what's causing all of this? we have an area of low pressure this has developed. we have had a broad area here. now we have a close circulation. this could potentially become a subtropical storm. here's the low on the radar. it is bringing in strong winds from the east. on top of that we have high pressure to the north.
that's why we are getting wind gusts in the range of 40 to 50 miles an hour. i want to show you how much more rain you are i going to get on top of what you have had. unfortunately we could see another two inches especially along the northeastern coast here. this is going to be a story we will follow in the week ahead. this will be moving in to georgia, through the carolinas and eventually make its way all the way to the northeast by the middle of the week. it will be a weaker system by then. it will cause travel headaches for sure. rainfall totals so impressive we had ten inches in north key largo. more than seven inches in cocoa beach. miami had six inches and five and three-quarters in the melbourne area. we have had beneficial rain across texas this weekend. places that haven't seen rain in so long. in fact, a few places even saw record. waco, texas, 5.3 inches of rain today. june to august, only 1.43.
you blew that away. it was the fifth driest on record. what a change today for waco. the system in the nation's mid section will weaken tomorrow. the chance of rain is starting to diminish and it pulls out the middle of the week where we will watch the florida low. one weather story, what is happening in the pacific, we have a hurricane here. this is jova and the forecast track brings it close potentially to peurta varletta. >> thank you very much. up next on cnn, more on our top story. the occupy wall street movement that is growing in membership and spreading across the country. i will talk to a columnist from the "wall street journal" and ask are there similarities between the occupy wall street movement and the tea party? can they have a tea party imp t impact? brings.
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the american financial system saying it unfairly benefits the wealthy. a writer for the "wall street journal" is joining us. how is this protest affecting the stock exchange? >> well, i think early on we're in our fourth week now and i think early on there was sort of -- it was largely being ignored. there have been a lot of protests against the financial system in new york since the financial crisis. but one thing about the dedication of these kids, staying down there and keeping at it, confronting police, i think wall street is really taking notice of this now and they are wondering, is this a movement that is going to shape politics, shape public policy and make it tougher for them to do business? what was before kind of a traffic problem for people downtown has now become is this going to affect the way we make our living.
>> you think they are paying attention for the most part? >> i think that is definitely the case. the size of the crowd is growing. obviously there's much more media attention now. it was three weeks ago you couldn't find it on national networks and big newspapers and local papers here. now every day there's story after story. i was just flipping through the channels. there were multiple reports on the size of the crowds, the quiet protests downtown. so this is definitely getting the attention of financial professionals. >> the first weekend it happened we covered it on this program. it didn't have as much attention because it wasn't as big. now it is growing it is garnering more attention. wall street is not going to just change and say okay we are going to give you what you want out of the goodness of our hearts. there will have to be an intervention and it will have to come from the government. that's why i ask are they listening? because change is not going to
come from inside. >> i think what is making the people on wall street nervous is they saw how the tea party started from this same sort of anonymous low-key, dismissed movement and became a real force in american politics, pushing the gop further to the right and much more fiscally conservative. i think that's the fear here. they are worried this movement, which is, you know, has a lot of differen interests but it is primarily coming from the left is going to push the left side of the american political sprek trum and have influence in 2012 and maybe a pushback against the tea party politics that we saw come out of it. don, i really think will is a distinction between the two. i think they are growing very much the same way in terms of how the movements are getting traction and getting exposure and becoming more powerful.
i think there's a strong correlation between the tea party and occupy wall street. >> i smile because that was my next question and you just went to it. because there's disagreement. if you ask members of the tea party and some tea parties say this is no different. even eric cantor said he was concerned about the mobs taking over wall street. but it's -- both are grassroots movement that came out of frustration, whether one is political as a tea party says they are political but this movement is not political, they are focusing on money but ultimately it will have to be about politics, as i think you said. >> i think that's right. they are talking about financial influence in the democratic process. they feel that their generation, they are part of society, this so-called 99% doesn't have a voice. doesn't have buttons to push and
ways to get their rights and their needs taken care of, don. so, it is very much a political movement, even though they say they are not. in as they want democracy returned to the people. they see corporate america finance big business, big banks as pushing all of the buttons in washington right now an they feel they are out of it. i know there's the rhetoric coming out of occupy wall street but there is a very strong political part of this. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. the trial of michael jackson's doctor has looked more like an episode of "the dating game." it's the many women of conrad murray including one that seemed to be auditioning for a reality tv show. what jane velez-mitchell has to say about it in two minutes. thi. a couple decades ago, we didn't even realize just how much natural gas was trapped in rocks thousands of feet below us. technology has made it possible to safely unlock this cleanly burning natural gas.
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investigation. we've heard new audio of michael jackson this week, new audio of conrad murray this week. it is riveting. >> it is mesmerizing, dorn. it is shakespearean in its drama. this doctor describing to cops how, in his words, he was kind seduced in to providing propofol to michael jackson. something that is a huge no-no for a doctor to give a surgical knockout drug as a sleep aid. but it's kind of like a confession but also a rationalization. i guess all confessions could contain rationalizations of well, here's why i did it. because he said to me, it's the only thing that works for me and he was so knowledgeable about pharmacology and he knew how to do it and he said he liked to actually do the injection himself and that other doctors had let him do the injection and that's where dr. murray drawed
the line saying i'm not going to let you inject ourself but he crossed many lines. but he gave michael jackson not once but over and over and over again. >> we will talk about that. a lot of that propofol found in michael jackson's room. one of those vials had conrad murray's fingerprints on it. i want to talk about the michael jackson video. we heard a little bit at the beginning and hearing the rest of it. it is frightening because you hear him slurring. you can barely make out what he is saying and you see the drulg drugs in his room. the guy was a walking medicine cabinet. >> absolutely. the big question is why did conrad murray make this tape of michael jackson slurring his words? there are a million theories out there, a blackmail tape, insurance against getting fired, a way of proving to michael jackson himself how messed up he was? a way to test the sedation so we knew how long it worked. there are some who are claiming maybe it was a script that he was forced to read.
it is just a boone for the conspiracy theorists. it is an extraordinary tape and it is of course very, very sad. we want to remember this superstar, this legend for his music and unfortunately right now we are remembering him for this. >> there's so much that happened this week. as i said in the beginning, this is riveting. you had those two audiotapes. then you have the mother of one of conrad murray's children testifying. it is really about all of these beautiful young women who conrad murray had a relationship dating. but they all testified and one appeared to be preening for the camera. >> some would call baby mama, girlfriend, the mother of his seventh child which he has had by several different women, all of these children and here she is. she is a beautiful actress. she's wearing a rather sexy dress for court with bare arms. she is asked what you do by the prosecutor, i'm an actress. what do you do during the day
and i work on my instrument and the prosecutor says what is your instrument and she said i am my sturmt. that became the talk of the town. it is one of those only in hollywood moments and she appeared to enjoy it too much and auditioning for some unknown casting director out there. >> all the while she is turned to the jury and sort of preening. let's say it was different to say the at least. jane velez-mitchell , "issues" airs every night at 7 p.m. on hln. we will be watching, jane. thank you. >> thank you, don. the lions roaring. the eagles looking like their wings have been clipped. what's behind the biggest surprise and disappointment in the nfl so far this season? we will talk about that and tiger's return with a senior writer from "sports illustrated." that's next. [ engine revs ]
>> i mean they are 4-0 for the first time since 1980. when you are this bad for this long, as the lions have been, you will be picking high on the draft pretty much every year and finally some of the first round picks are coming home to roost. matthew stafford, the quarterback who overall, and acy went to the same high school as bobby lane, the legendary lions quarterback. you have calvin johnson, and a 300-pound defensive tackle, who's really anchoring the new defense from jim schwartz from head coach. they come back and win 20-3 last week. they come back and win again. it's just a completely new attitude that schwartz has instilled. >> it's all about, they've got great talent. but can they continue this all season? that's what everybody's wondering and i'm sure lions fans are hoping. >> they play in the same division as the green bay packs, arguably the best team in
football. certainly, these players aren't flukes. these first-round picks are legitimate talents and this team is here to stay for a long time. >> if the lions are the surprise team, the philadelphia eagles at 1-4 are probably the most disappointing. weren't they called the dream team? what's happened to them? >> now they're begging people to take that label off. they're really proof that even though you can have these marquee skill players in the nfl, the game comes down to those anonymous players in the offensive and defensive lines. and the eagles' offensive line at this point is inferior, their defense isn't very aggressive. today michael vick threw four picks and we're seeing what happened to him in atlanta happening to him again in philadelphia. he's running for his life. he's still an incredible athlete, but maybe not the elite athlete that they wanted. >> let's talk about this, an nfl legend died saturday. al davis, coach and then owner of the oakland raiders, who made
famous the line, just win, baby. how will he be remembered? >> young fans will sort of remember him as this maverick in his satin suits, kind of looking down from the luxury box. a guy who forced the raiders from oakland to l.a. and then back again. but if you take the longer view, this was a college position coach, who rose to become an owner, who won three super bowls with the raiders. he was the commissioner of the afl. and really spearheaded that afl/nfl merger, which has given us the sport that's the most popular in america today. >> he will be missed. now let's move on to baseball. the playoffs. the three big payroll teams, the yankees, the red sox, and phillies all now sitting at home. this a sign of parody or just a fluke? who emerges as the world series favorite here? >> well, i mean, all these teams that are left, maybe it is a sign of parody, you probably have three teams that could all win it. the rangers, the tigers, and the brewers. the cardinals would probably be
considered the underdogs in that group. you have these elite teams in baseball, and when you get in these best of five first round series that the yankees and phillies both found themselves in, it's almost like the ncaa tournament. anybody can win in that kind of a format. there are that many sort of elite teams in baseball. maybe you have as many as 10. but you're right, the top nine payroll teams now out of it. money still matters. those three teams you mentioned were all in it, up until the final day, but it's obviously not everything >> i want to talk a little golf quick. let's talk about tiger woods. he returned to action this week in california and he played better. i guess, playing better, we can't really gauge whether he's on his way back just from one game, right? >> you know, he shot 68 for two straight days. i think that's a sign of improvement. he's still looking for consistency, though. tiger has a new caddie, joe la cova, who was fred couples long-time caddie. he's known la cova since he was an amateur. that could make him more comfortable. he certainly seemed that way
over the weekend. but at some point, it's going to be time for tiger woods not just to make cuts, but to win tournaments. we don't know when that's going to be. >> lee jenkins, "sports illustrated," thank you, sir, we appreciate you joining us. >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. showing their pride, gays and lesbians celebrate in atlanta. just ahead, the reverend joseph lowry, a pioneer of civil rights and his thoughts on today's fight for equality. hold on a sec... progresso... i love your new loaded potato with bacon. that's what we like to hear. where was i? oh right... our rich & hearty soups.. people love the thick cut carrots... we do too! where was i? progresso. right, our new rich & heart soups... [ ring, ring ] progresso... switch our phone service? [ ring, ring ] [ ring, ring ] ...no, i think we're pretty happy with our phones. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. for fastidious librarian emily skinner, each day was fueled by thorough preparation for events to come. well somewhere along the way, emily went right on living.
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out and proud. thousands line the streets this afternoon for the annual atlanta pride parade. this is the 41st year of the festival, which has grown into one of the biggest lbgt events in the south. the celebration comes in the middle of a banner year for gay rights with the repeal of don't ask, don't tell taking effect less than three weeks ago. you know, same-sex marriage, however, is still illegal in all but six states. in all but six states. but the push to legalize it throughout the land has drawn parallels to the civil rights movement. the leaders from that era, at times, been reluctant to support the push for gay rights. i had a chance to speak with a true civil rights icon, the reverend joseph lawry on his 90th birthday. hi told me his views on gay
issues are evolving. >> you're either for equal rights or you're not. you can't be partially for equal rights. equal rights means what it says. everybody has an equal opportunity and equal privileges. and while i think we'd have less controversy if we just dealt with civil unions, i can't, committed to equal rights, i can't deny anybody the right to engage in same-sex marriage. i don't -- you know, i think it would be better off the other way and i have had problems with it, because i grew up under boy/girl, man/woman romance and marriage. but i realize that equal rights are equal rights. >> how can you say that as a religious person, a minister. think about what the religious doctrines, the church teaches, the bible says. >> what does the bible say that you're talking about? what does the bible say that
you're talking about? >> the bible talks about equal rights. the bible talks about all god's children got shoes. the bible talks about -- when you talk about one or two accounts in the bible that talks about homosexuality, there are also passages that talk about slaves, obey your master. i reject that just like i reject other passages. i look at god's word holistically. the truth of the matter is god insisted that all god's children got shoes and got equal rights. and if you believe in equal rights, you cannot deny any of god's children any portion of rights. >> including gay people. >> including gay people. >> the reverend joseph lowry. by the way, he's being honored right now in atlanta with a sta