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months. so you're going to get to put a little more of your hard-earned money away. >> i know everybody says it's a good thing, and it probably is. but the stock market is so volatile now. i think a lot of people think twice. >> yeah. a lot of people think twice. you should still save that tax-free tax-free money or pre-tax money if you can, just put it in a safer investment. >> carter evans, thanks, as usual. "american morning" continues right now. the final moments of a desperate dictator. i'm christine romans. moammar gadhafi meeting his end in a battle for his hometown and we're learning more about natos rule in taking him out. and i'm carol costello. millions s s sell operat operate-of-celebrating the death of a tyrant. on this "american morning." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, everyone.
it's friday, october 21st. ali's off today. welcome to "american morning." >> it's been a long week. a big week of news. it's been a very long week. >> i must say, i had a great time in vegas. >> i know. vegas seems like a year ago. doesn't it? all of the gadhafi news yesterday. you can back from the big debate and the gadhafi news. moammar gadhafi killed in his hometown, captured alive. almost 24 hours after reports he was mortally wounded there is still a fog surrounding exactly how it happened. >> right. and new videos popping up all over the web showing his final moments. we want to warn you. these videos obviously are graphic. this one showing a badly wounded extremely bloody confused gadhafi being man handled but is clearly alive here. the statement says he was killed in a crossfire. later pictured show his dead
body with a bullet wound to his head add close range suggesting he was executed. >> news of his death spark wild celebrations in the streets of libya. guns blasting. president obama telling the libyan people, you have won your revolution. >> so our coverage begins with chris lawrence live from the pentagon. chris, what do we know about how gadhafi died? >> reporter: the exact way in which he died is still under debate. there is con flicting story, out there, but we are getting a clear picture what led up to those final moments, and it looks to be as chaotic as gadhafi lived his entire life. take you back. what was happening was, nato had aerial surveillance, had eyes on a particular area of sirte, where there was some conflict there. in fact, gadhafi's forces, we're now told, had been sort of boxed into a particular area. there was some fighting there. a convoy left out of that area,
and a combination of french fighter jets and a u.s. predator drone hit that convoy. they're not sure where gadhafi was in relation to the convoy but they know fighting broke out after that convoy was hit. gadhafi and some of his men then took refuge, libyan officials say, in a drainage pipe where he was found. at some point during that exchange, there was a long shoot-out between some of gadhafi's loyalists and some of the rebel, and then gadhafi was captured. a senior nato official told me that gadhafi was stl alive after the convoy was struck, and after, you know, they fled on foot, but he's not sure exactly what happened in the circumstances in which gadhafi died. >> what's interesting here, you know, saif, one of gadhafi's sons, is supposedly out there and still alive.
one of the analysts here in the united states, i should say, wants saif to be captured and tried. but it's unclear that will happen in light of what happened to moammar gadhafi. >> reporter: exactly. look at all of the conflicting stories. i mean, i think there's been already two instances in which saif was reported dead. earlier we saw huge celebrations, when his death was supported and then he pops out on video live a few hours later. it seems to be a very chaotic situation in libya. we may have to wait to see how it's played out. >> a lot of talk about libya's weapons. we know there are shoulder-fired missiles, an awful lot of handguns and oughtmatic weapons. what happens to securing those weapons? >> reporter: what's happening right now is the state department sent a small team to libya and they have been sort of embedded with the ntc securing some of the chemical weapons
sto stock. ied. the stockpiled. old weapons, against a conventional army probably not going to do all that much damage, but they're extremely small and concealable. four feet long, only weigh about 30 pounds. there's a real danger they could try to use them to go after civilian airplanes or a helicopter. the obama administration says that terrorists have already expressed interest in obtaining them. state department is looking for about another $35 million from congress to beef up that team over there to try to get a handle on where those are and to work with the ntc to secure them. >> chris lawrence, thanks so much. >> reporter: you're welcome. the celebrations, of course, continue this morning in libya. the new government says it will officially declare the war over tomorrow, and people who have known nothing but gadhafi they are entire lives are breathing a sigh of relief. >> we are very free and i fae that birthday is today.
we're have a good time. i feel 6 years old. really, libya is free without him. >> the greatest moment in all my life. >> reporter: president obama says the death of moammar gadhafi should serve as a warning to other middle east leaders who rule with an iron fist. this time will inevitably come to an end. the president taking a little credit calling gadhafis demise, offering up this message to the citizens of libya. >> the dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted, and we this enormous promise, the libyan people now have a great responsibility, to build and inclusive and tolerant and democratic libya that stands as the ultimate rebuke to gadhafi's dictatorship. >> some republicans are giving credit to the president for the death of the libyan dictator. reluctant, a bit muted, but it is praise. listen to senator john mccain on
cnn's "the situation room" after gadha gadhafi's death had been confirmed. >> the obama administration from your perspective deserves a lot of credit for this as well? >> i think they deserve credit. the fact is if we declared a no-fly zone early on, we would have never had -- gadhafi would have fallen at the beginning. the second thing is that, if we had used our capabilities, the a-10 and ac-130 this would have been over a long time, but i think the administration deserves credit but i especially appreciate the leading of the british and french in carrying out this success. >> what he would have done differently and what the role in libya should be moving forward, when senator mccain joins us live in the 8:00 eastern hour of "american morning." and a promise kept, his brother was one of 270 killed when pam am flight 103 exploded over lockerbie, scotland nearly
23 years ago. widely believed gadhafi ordered that bombing. fighting to bring the libyan leader to justice and made a silent promise to his brother he'd keep fighting until gadhafi was gone. >> i was thrilled, and i didn't expect to have that reaction. i'd been dreaming about this more than 20 years, but it was always with the sense that you don't want to be the vengeful one, i want my brother's murderer killed, but in a way you do. >> he went on to thank the libyan people and obama administration for their courage and commitment to taking out gadhafi. just ahead, coverage on moammar gadhafi's death continues and taking you live to tripoli to speak to a member of the national ruling transitional council. we'll ask him what's next for the nation. plus, libya's loaded with money and oil. most frozen during the revolution. what happens now to the billions in gold, oil, cold, hard cash? what happens to it now? plus, gadhafi's death.
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welcome back to "american morning." it's 11 minutes past the hour. our continuing coverage of the death of moammar gadhafi now. many questions remain this morning about how the libyan dictator was kill and what's in store for the country moving forward. mohammed sayah is a former member of the national transitional council and joins us live from tripoli. how are you feeling today, sir? >> oh, very proud. very happy. very content. you can see the great new nation rising up that will persevere and building new future for the area and the new universe. >> so many unanswered questions this morning. i'll get right to them.
one is how exactly moammar gadhafi died. they said he was caught in the cross fire and shot in the head. what the former medical examiner here in new york dr. michael baden, told the "new york times" after looking at some of the video. his quote, it looks more like an execution than something that happened during a struggle. two pretty identical looking wounds that would have been hard to do from a distance. in other words, he said moammar gadhafi was shot twice in the head and the wounds were close together. so it seems unusual that that kind of damage would be caused if you're caught in the cross fire. are you convinced that that's how he died? or was it something different? >> no, no. i am convinced that when we, when our martyrs captured him and [ inaudible ] as he was describing the libyan, the brave libyan, they took him.
they were taking him to a hospital. he was shot on his feet, and they were driving him from sirte, misurata. they were in an area where there was lots of cross fire. our people firing to the others and vice versa. and just shot him in the side of his head and he was dead. so i cannot tell you whether it was from far or near, but it was unintentional. no one decided to kill him or slaughter him as they were saying. it would have been much better for us libyans and the whole universe to capture him and take him to a court and see how a dictator, a bad guy who did lots of libyan and non-libyan, be judged in front of court. >> one of gadhafi's sons, we're
not clear, saif gadhafi. is he dead or alive? >> he is still alive. that man wasn't viewed by our people, and he is still alive. he will be taken to a court, of course. >> so he's been captured and -- >> you're talking about captured yesterday? interviewed by one of the -- >> no. saif. >> saif? yeah. saif, it's not confirmed yet whether he was captured or -- but we're sure, we know the area where he is, and for sure he'll be captured very soon, and it will be declared when he is captured. >> are you worried, you know, that he is still free, because he was the de facto leader. you know, he led libya in place of his father.
do you fear there will be more violence because she stillhe is alive and still out there? >> well, you see these guys because they've got lots of money and corrupted lots of people around us, they will do bad things. they will hire professional killers and they will cause lots of problems. so we want to get rid of all this, and we want to start developing our country. we have lots of work to do. we have, you know -- everything is destroyed by this dictator. nothing is here. we have to start from scratch. so we need time. time is very important to us, and we will not be able to get on our feet and start working until we get rid of this dilemma. i mean, these guys hanging around, hiding, hiring
professional killers from africa, from serbia -- >> we're just getting something crossing from reuters and i want you to confirm or deny or tell me what you think. reuters is confirms that saif is fleeing south towards libya's border with niger, according to national military officials. your thoughts? >> no, no. i don't think he'd leave libya. he's still around the southern mountain, around this area, and our soldiers are following him, and they're surrounding him. >> okay. i just want to move on to ask you quickly about the weaponry and who will safeguard it, because we know there are a lot of, like, shoulder-fired missiles, for example. the united states and other countries are worried that adequate security won't be provided to keep those weapons in the right hands.
>> you see, we have a plan to -- all these young fighters, actually, when you look at it, most of them came from universities, from schools, and others are professionals, like doctors and lawyers. they will have to go back to their job. now libya is liberated. now gadhafi is not here anymore. so most of them will go back to their previous profession, whether student or a doctor or other things. those who are not willing to go -- to keep on the -- they will be taken into the army or security forces. so nothing is worrying is, because we know our guys are very disciplined. our motives are very
disciplined. willing to see their country civilized, state of justice and they will follow the procedure that the ntc will plan for them, and it will be followed precisely. >> i think, though, sir, the fact is that the transitional council doesn't have control of all the militias in the country. i mean, this has not been the most orderly rebellion, and that's why some lawmakers here in the united states are concerned about those 20,000 shoulder-fired missiles. they're concerned they could fall into the wrong hands and be used by terrorists, because, you know, the country, your country, is so in flux right now? >> well, you see, i want to assure you that all our militias are disciplined, and they obey the orders of the ntc exactly.
but concerning the leak of guns in the southern area or places where there are other islamic groups or anything, well, a minor thing would be [ inaudible ] we are in control. nothing worries us, and you will see how easy and fast all those young fighters will go back to civilian life. >> mohammed sayah, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. all right. also new this morning, frank discussions are under way in islamabad where secretary of state hillary clinton is meeting with pakistani officials at a news conference. earlier clinton stressed a strong pakistan is critical to stability in the middle east and pressure ared pakistan to step up efforts to target terrorists along the afghanistan border.
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foshan. . it is 30 minutes paf the hour. welcome back to "american morning." top stories now, libya still cheering the death of former dictator moammar gadhafi. he was killed in the cross fire as they finally took his hometown of sirte. >> showing gruesome final moments. they say they found him hiding in the sewer. the place of the rat gadhafi, painted around the hole after the cap color.
nato says it involved a president ter drone. time to start a new libya. the new libyan transitional government saying liberation will be officially announced tomorrow, the end of an uprising that began back in february over gadhafi's 42-year reign possibly over. and exploding into other areas saying, you're next. the presidents of syria and yemen. live in abu dhabi. good morning, mohammed. so how does the fall of gadhafi impact other uprisings in the arab world? >> reporter: good morning, carol. that's the key day. today is friday. this is a day of protests across the arab region. it has been a day of protests across the arab region since the arab spring movement began. you mentioned twitter. as soon as it was announced gadhafi was killed yesterday, a constant stream of messages from places like yemen, bahrain and syria, where there have been
uprisings of their own. this means these other leaders will have to go. the fact gadhafi went, leaders like assad, they must go. it's given a morale boost to the movements. we've seen twitter messages in syria saying despite tragedy ongoing there, they're happy for the libyan people. they're in solidarity. today in yemen thousands gathered in the square calling not just for the ouster of the president, standing with the libyan people. because thhappened to gadhafi, means he can't hold on to power much longer. today is a key moment to the see how the arab world and countries where they've been deeming with uprisings are their own will deal with this post-gadhafi morality. it seems to be giving people energy to get back out in the streets and yet to be seen late are today how exactly it happened, how it plays out.
the fear, more crackdowns by these governments but the activists and protesters really want to keep coming out into the streets, demonstrating against their leaders and try to get them out of office. >> reporting live from abu dhabi, thanks. the death of moammar gadhafi will only bring out the billions of dollars he hid around the world. what happens to all of that money. >> reporter: where is moammar gadhafi's money? all over the place. right now the united states treasury department has $37 billion of money that had belonged to gadhafi and various libyan funds frozen in the united states. the united states doesn't control that. they will probably release most of that at the request of the new libyan government when it wants it, but according to a group called global witness, a watchdog group, anti-corruption watchdog group, they obtained a statement by the libyan investment authority earlier this summer and found out from the statement where some of the investments are.
according to that statement, the libyan investment authority had almost $20 billion worldwide of deposits in several major banks across the world, including goldman sachs, hsbc, british-arab bank and sahara bank. according to a same time obtained, the lia had investments all over the world of at least $64 billion. we'll show where you. italy, libya's largest trading partner. according to the statement, the invest authority had a 2.6% stake in unicredit, 2% stake in fin mechanic kaw. take you further north to jrm . germany. invested in a chemical firm and in the electronics giant siemens. and further north to finland.
investments, and also in the united states. many investments in many different firms. ge, caterpillar and many others. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> and all of that sits on huge, huge oil reserves for africa that many companies and countries are interested in developing. coming up in about an hour, we'll talk to damon wilson, a former top aide. what the role should be in a post-libya. and ambassador to the united states, an arraignment hearing scheduled for next week. arrested last week after allegedly trying to hire a middle man to recruit hitmen to kill the saudi ambassador, boebl bombing a restaurant in washington. and testimony at the dr.
conrad murray trial. an anesthesiologist testified jackson is dead because his personal physician, dr. conrad murray failed to notice he stopped breathing while hooked up to an i.v. drip of propofol. the manslaughter trial of dr. conrad murray could get that case next week. a double jolt in california. two small quakes hit the san francisco area yesterday, both near berkeley. talk about irony. it happened on the same day, more than 8.5 million people were taking part in the annual great california shakeout, an earthquake preparedness drill. they were practices duck and conquer techniques in anticipation for "the big one." so far no reports of damage or injuries. >> all right. rob marciano is off today. reynolds wolf is in the extreme weather center. good morning. >> good morning. interesting what we saw in the bay area. little tremors, enough to rattled windows. speaking of rattling the windows, rattling parts of the great lakes, especially milwaukee. look what else it provided.
mammoth waves along lake michigan as far south at chicago and gary, indiana. the place pummeled by waves and strong winds, causing issues later on today. some will be experienced with your travel. talking about the winds in new york and cleveland. the low clouds there, boston, windy conditions might give you delays. around an hour. some places a little less. throughout the west, low clouds and fog might keep you, some delays 15, 20 minutes. some just under an hour. keep it in mind. the rest of your forecast, the big thing, slow going across parts of the ohio valley and into the south we've got that freeze that will remain in effect. later today we expect temperatures to rebound pretty well. 39 degrees currently in chicago. 54 in boston. 47 in albuquerque and warming up to 74, 73 in san francisco. 63 atlanta. 58 in new york. more on the forecast coming up in a few minutes. pitch it back to you guys in the
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. welcome back to "american morning." good morning. a milestone. at the end of the month, the world's population is expected to hit 7 billion. that's putting a lot of pressure on the planet and serious in terms of food and the environment. joinings us, author of the book "the price of civilization." good morning. >> good morning. >> what does the world look like with 7 billion people and we're reaching these milestones more quickly than the past? >> we're obviously very crowded. it took only 12 years to go from
6 billion to 7 billion and it's expected to take maybe another 14 years to go to 8 billion. so the trajectory is still rising quickly. the u.n. forecasts that it's median forecast, not the high or low, but right in the middle, that the world would reach more than 10 billion people by the end of this century, and i think it's pretty serious of a deal. sounds nice to have -- >> a big, round number. >> but it's very, very serious for the planet. >> we're running out of resources and you already have through globalization and technology and a changing world, you have more and more people carving up the resources for their -- to grow their own middle classeses, as middle classes grow. as people get more they want more and puts more strain on the economy. >> of course. more people, more food, more agricultural needs. more stresses on land. more deforestation. more loss of water, because a lot of places in the world, including the united states,
depend on ground water. we're taking it out a lot faster than it's recharging. we also have climate change, of course. so globally, because of heavy energy use. so the world is getting very crowded, and the big problem is that in the porous countries, families are still having six, seven or eight children. that's what's putting this tremendous growth in population continuing. in high-income countries, fertility rates have come down to two children on average, or even less. which means eventually stability or even gradual reduction of population. but it's in the poor countries that can least manage this, where the population remains the highest. >> those who can extrapolate out to the political problems. so-called rich countries trying to protect what they have. e worry about protectionism, people try to preserve their ways of life as there are fewer resources and an economy that doesn't equally share around the world what we have. >> we also see tremendous migration pressures now. when you have rapid population
growth, in very poor places, and often in environmentally fragile places, that experience lots of droughts or lots of floods, and that's why they're poor. they're having lots of children. people are spilling over across borders, across continents. this is creating conflict. it's creating tremendous political stress. >> so what do we do to fix it? we must use the technology and, new technologies and new ways of thinking to try to head off the potential conflicts here. weren't of the problem, it's hard for rich countries who may have made a lot of mistakes when they were growing through their industrial revolutions and like to putrn trn to turn to poor cos and say, don't do it the way question. >> countries are better educated, the women choose to have less children. right now many can't make that choice. many young girls are married at 13, 14 by their parents.
that's cultural. they can't afford to go to school although they want to continue in school. there isn't health care or family planning. there isn't a choice that we have. if we would pay more attention to enabling poor households to have the choice instead of having six or seven children, they would choose to have two or three children, this would be better for them and better for their children in terms of nutrition, health care, education. pross peg prospects for their countries. >> statistics are so different between developed and poor countries. africa, half will come from countries in africa. >> extraordinary. africa has an 900 million of the subsaharan region. by 2050, this could be about, doubling this at least, this could be on the order of 2 billion people and then the forecasts are more than 3 billion people by the end of the century in africa. the environment and economies can't take it.
this would create a tremendous, tremendous stress. >> what do you feel about china? china famously ventured into family planning. the human rights advocate say they're disastrous. that women, you know, the one-child policy and all of this. venturing into family plans for countries has to be very careful? >> i think there's a difference between voluntary and forced, for one thing. the evidence is that if families are given choices, the children are able to stay alive, because there's health care. the girls are able to get educated. the family planning is available. then they choose, voluntarily, to have fewer children. it's better for them. it's better for their children. better for the prospects, but when they're very, very poor, they need help to be able to have those choices. we're not giving them that help right now, and then we're addressing the consequences later of exploding populations, conflict, unrest, migration. we say, oh, my god, the world's unstable, but we're not helping
to make it less unstable. more stable. >> jeff sachs, author of this book. jeff wrote an in-depth article on the 7 billion mark if you want to read more and what it means for the planet. check it out at cnn.com/opinion. jeff sachs, thanks. coming up on this "american morning," herman cain facing criticism over his 9-9-9 tax plan. today, the candidate hits back. plus, remember the jetblue flight attendant to made a spectacular exit by emergency chute last year? sure you do. today he's learning the consequences of pulling that stunt. it's 47 minutes past the hour.
48 minutes past the hour. what you need to know to start your day. libyans still cheering the death of former dick taeter moammar gadhafi. the new government saying liberation officially announced tomorrow, but the u.n.'s high commissioner of human rights saying today the circumstances of gadhafi's death need to be investigated. secretary of state hillary clinton is holding talks with palestinians today. clinton is urging islamabad to step up efforts to target militants along the afghan border. greek lawmakers voting to agree to top new budget numbers. the 53-year-old protester died after suffering cardiac arrest.
major flooding towards thailand's capital bangkok. considering opening floodgates. officials say it's the worst flooding in half a century. herman cain will try and clarify his 9-9-9 tax plan today in detroit. the republican presidential candidate's plan has come under increased scrutiny and reports middle and lower class americans would pay way more under his proposal. the texas rangers pulling even in the world series. they beat the st. louis cardinals last night with a two-run rally in the ninth. whew. the series now let's to arlington for game three. that was a sacrifice fly, by the way. that's the news you need to know to start your day. "american morning" back after this.
it's day 35 of the occupy wall street protests. you're looking at live picture right now of the park where thousands remained camped out in new york. dozens of run-ins with police. protesters facing new opposition with local new yorkers. residents are voicing concerns about safety and noise issues. at a community board meeting last night, tempers flared. listen. >> a lot of people are unhappy. you're not happy. we're not happy. >> we should be able to walk to work and not have somebody dumping urine in a bucket next to us. be able to walk to work and not have somebody yell at us or get yelled at. >> we're here standing you together for you. for each other. >>y are worried about your apartment. i pay a lot of rent. there's a lot of black and brown
people can't even have an apartment. >> people have the right to petition their government and to protest. >> my neighbors next door at 114 liberty, it isthe drumming. you have to respect that. >> if my daughter was drumming in high house for 14 hours, i'd murder her. >> so if you thought that this was, you know, going to be really quiet for your kids, you're in the wrong place. >> we have to fight for what is best for this country. even if that means that one neighborhood in the country may not like it. >> thank you. >> potential resolutions. some fixes include limiting the use of drums and chanting to only two hour as day during the midday. the resolution goes a vote on tuesday. >> oh, can you imagine constant drumming outside your window? >> i know. one of the things some shop owners are concern about an residential owners, that people are using, they say people are
using the vestibules as places to -- i'm not going there. >> just to be fair, i went down there last saturday, because i wanted to see what it looked like. there were, like, 1 million tourists down there looking at the wall street protests. >> so it is bringing business to those businesses who usually don't get a great many customers on the weekend in new york city down there on wall street. >> 38 days. a lot of folk didn't think it would last this long. now saying this is going to be a real occupation and we need to figure out a way so the people can protest, but so the people who live there as well can have drumming not all the time. >> that would drive you crazy. wouldn't it? remember the fligattendant jetblue? he slid into the spotlight making a dramatic exit down the emergency chute last year. meantime, still needs to pay $10,000 to replace the airline's
chute. and kicking a dictator while he's down. listen. >> moammar gadhafi is, in fact, no d no-more gadhafi. replaced by ashton kutcher? i'm like, what? it will never work. i don't know. walks around taking his shirt off all the time, it might work. >> of course, with this sort of event there's always the question of proof. >> there is a photograph that has been published from a news agency afp, warn you about that. it's quite graphic. [ laughter ] >> this morning rebels seized control of the gadhafi stronghold of sirte where they captured and killed gadhafi ending his brutal 42-year reign.
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the final moments of a desperate dictator. moammar gadhafi meeting his end in a battle for his hometown and we're learning more about nato's role in taking him out. the seaside villa, private plane, the golden gun. billions in frozen assets. what happens to the dictator's fortune now? and families of lockerbie victims seeking payback of a different kind -- on this "american morning." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
good morning. it's friday, october 21, 2011. welcome to "american morning." >> friday. my favorite day. besides saturday and sunday. >> you know, you don't buy this is end of the world? pictures of today's the end of the world. >> totally ignored them for good reason. up first this morning, libya is still cheering the death of former dictator moammar gadhafi. celebrations lasting for hours. libya will officially mark a new day tomorrow, and there are new videos of images that virtually take a step-by-step through gadhafi's final seconds, but we warn you, some of these pictures, this video is graphic. here's dan rivers. >> reporter: this was how it all ended for moammar gadhafi. cornered and injured, the former dictator was apparently trying to escape sirte. he appears bloody, but alive here, but died soon afterwards, according to ntc officials. his golden gun brandished in wild excitement by ntc troops who seized him.
a potent symbol of his decaden e decadence. the news spread across country. disbelief turning into jubilation in tripoli. >> we are very free. today is my birthday and i feel i am six hours' old. we're free without him. >> it's a great, the greatest moment in all my life, and i have my brother who was killed by yemeni forces on the 20th of february, we was so -- so sad, but now is a great moment. we are so happy. we are so, so happy. >> reporter: many of the people here have known nothing other than colonel gadhafi's 42-year rule and cannot believe now that finally he is dead, but sirte has fallen, the war is over. just look at the sea of flags out here in celebration. >> wow.
>> reporter: u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton learned of the news from her blackberry as she prepared for an interview. >> unconfirmed reports about gadhafi being captured. >> reporter: soon officials were confirming the momentous news. >> today we can definitively say that the gadhafi regime has come to an end. the last major regime strongholds have fallen. a new government is consolidating the control over the country in one of the world's longest serving dictators is no more. >> reporter: the arab spring came here on february the 17th when a rebellion against gadhafi's iron rule spread. now the winds are turmoil and change that are blowing so strong across the arab world have claimed yet another victim, and libya is finally free of the man who so brutalized this country. >> and you're looking at a picture of misrata. you see people gathering there. the celebrations have quieted down but people still out on the
streets talking about this momentum event in their history. dan rivers joins live on the phone. i want to ask you first about saif gadhafi, because i talked to a member of the national transitional council earlier. he told me they had gadhafi's son surrounded. what do you know? >> reporter: we hear from one agency official that they think his convoy is in an area which is down in the mountainous area. i guess slightly south and west of misrata, towards a stronghold of gadhafi until a few days ago. it's very difficult to put too much credibility in the statements and claims, that they've often come out with information that is incorrect or inaccurate, but that's the latest information that we have. they're saying she in country still. that they know where he is and
they are trying to surround his envoy, with the idea he may have fled south over the border. >> why is it important for them to capture or kill him? >> reporter: well, i think it will be enormously significant if they manage to cap heture hi alive. the only member of the gadhafi family facing national court in the hague. he's wanted there on the war crimes charge. so i mean that would be a huge boost for the libyan people. a lot of the people we spoke to want to see some sort of trial. they want to see someone from the gadhafi regime held to account, cross-examined, made to answer the questions about why they brutalized this country for so long, and sold so much of it, oil well, without allowing it to trickle down to ordinary people. i think that would be important
to the ntc, and very important for many of the people. >> dan rivers reporting live from misrata, libya this morning. nato officials are expected to meet later today in brussels and now that gadhafi is dead, the mission in libya is likely to come to an end. meantime, learning more about the nato air strikes that led to gadhafi's demise. chris lawrence has new details now live from the pentagon. good morning, chris. >> reporter: hey, good morning, christine. yeah, a point where the official version of how moammar gadhafi died and what we see with other own eyes in some of the pictures and video simply don't add up, but we are getting some more new information about what led up to those final moments. nato officials now say that the gadhafi loyalists were boxed in to a particular area of the city of sirte, and they had drones that were keeping aerial surveillance on that area. about 8:30 in the morning a group, the convoy of those loyalists, made a break for it,
driving west out of the city of sirte. that's when an american predator drone and french fighter jets hit that convoy taking out several of the vehicles. now, they don't believe gadhafi was injured or killed in that initial strike on the convoy, but it did stop the convoy, split it up and sent people out on foot. some of the rebel, the ntc, say that they discovered gadhafi in a gra drainage pipe and at that point a firefight broke out between themselves and fighters still loy to gadhafi. that's the stories we've heard. we've seen the pictures of a bloody gadhafi being haul across the hood of a car, pushed around. but the official version from the ntc, from libyan officials, is that he died in the cross fire between his own forces and the rebels. >> so what's next, then, for the nato mission in libya? >> reporter: what we expect is that the supreme military commander is going to call a special session.
probably today, actually. in which they're address ending, officially ending the mission. he's looking at basically two key pieces of intelligence. does nato believe that the ntc now controls the city of sirte? yes, they do. and do they think that the gadhafi loyalists can mount a significant counterattack? at this point, nato does not. so the nato mission is likely to officially end probably by today. >> the ntc and mohammed sayah telling us they think saif gadhafi is being chased into the southern part of the kint, surrounded. any kind of resistance that could come up around saif, look as though the ntc is confident that that's not going to happen. >> reporter: when it comes to saif, i mean, you've already got so many previous stories in which -- i mean, we've heard him reported dead at times, with people celebrating his death and then you see a video of him alive and well just a few hours later. so it's a very chaotic situation there in libya.
we may have to let this play out over several hours or several days before we get a real clear picture on his whereabouts and what happens next with him. >> all right. chris lawrence in washington. thanks, chris. vice president joe biden says nato got it right. the vice president saying the united states spent just $2 billion on the mission in libya without losing a single american life. biden sitting down with state of the union host candy crowley calling gadhafi's demise an opportunity the libyan people cannot afford to squander. >> this is one bad guy. one really tough guy. he for 40 years had his folks under his thumb, and he's dead, and it's going to give the people of libya their first chance in four decades to actually put together their own government and have a little bit of freedom, a little bit of opportunity. >> be sure to catch candy's entire interview this sunday on "state of the union" at 10:00 eastern on cnn. for brian flinn, the death
of moammar gadhafi represents a promise kept. his big brother john patrick was weren't of the 270 killed when pan am exploded over lockerbie over 23 years ago. he made a silent promise to his brother that day and he honored it. here's cnn's susan candiotti. >> when you heard the news, what did you think? >> i was thrilled and i didn't expect to have that reaction. i'd been dreaming about this more than 20 years, but it was always with the sense you don't want to be the vengeful one that wants my brother's murderer killed, but in a way you do. >> reporter: he was coming home from christmas after studying abroad when a bomb killed 270 people over lockerbie, scotland. >> to you and to the other families, what did gadhafi represent? >> he was an unrepentant murderer of these innocent kids coming home from christmas. so he did represent the essence of evil to us. >> reporter: we showed him video
of gadhafi's body for the first time. >> it's too bad they couldn't kill him more than once. >> reporter: on a personal front, what are your reflections on this day about your brother? >> i remember promising my brother that i wouldn't let it go unanswered, that i would do what i could to get him. i definitely believe that i've honored him and fulfilled my promise by doing what i could. >> i look at his picture over your shoulder. >> where it usually was. if that makes sense. a classic big brother, and today i feel as if, hopefully he's proud. >> reporter: susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> oh, really sad. >> yeah. there's secrets about that bombing that died with moammar gadhafi, too. i mean, that's the other thing. things we may never know about that bombing and exactly -- >> the man who planted the bomb onboard that plane is still alive and maybe can still give
answers because he has no more excuses. moammar gadhafi is dead. no more protection. maybe he'll speak out who exactly ordered the downing of that plane over lockerbie, lockland. >> we'll see. still coming up, what gadhafi's death means for the u.s. and libya. and the trial of dr. conrad murray winding down. the big question, what's next for the defense? and the first lady thanking military families in 140 characters or less. you're watching "american morning." it's 11 minutes past.
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forward and how its liberation will impact relations between the north african nation and the united states. so let's ask someone who knows much more than i do. maryland congressman dutch rupersbergers ranking member on the house committee. joining us live from baltimore. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. >> did the united states or nato provide any intelligence to the rebels to help them find gadhafi? or was -- go ahead. >> no. go ahead. >> no, no. was it just a given that he'd end up in his hometown of sirte and it was a happy accident? >> well, i think we knew basically where he was in working with nato. they're always attempting to get intelligence, but how it ended up, i think it was just a matter of nato trying to take over the hometown the gadhafi and they ended up attacking a convoy and then the facts after that is that i think gadhafi was injured, and they attempted to hide in a certain tunnel area,
and that's about all we have. we still don't have all the information that we need to evaluate how he died and what happened because we don't have boots on the ground. now we're working with nato and the international people to find out what the true facts were and what really caused his death. >> some say it clearly was an execution. in your mind, how did moammar gadhafi die? >> well, in my mind i think that he got caught up in a zone where there was still the rebels fighting gadhafi forces, and it just happens in war, but not an execution. in the first place, international law does not allow execution of a person, even though he was a dictator, he was the head of a country for, since 1969. but we've got to see the facts. let the facts come out and then we'll evaluate that and international law will also evacate thevac
a ate -- evaluate that. >> if it is an execution, what should be done? >> i don't believe it was an execution but, again, i don't have all the facts, but we have to follow international law. that's what we do. that's what nato does. that's what the united nations is there for. so even though you don't agree, you have to bring leaders, such as gadhafi, who's a tire thyran dictator, he's killed his own people, but under international law you don't execute him because he's supposed to be brought before a tribunal, before an international court. >> said yesterday now that gadhafi's gone we have to ensure radical extremist groups don't take over that country. that's especially important given their massive oil reserves, and in short, it will about well funded country. what is our role going forward? >> our role is the same role nato will have. clearly, there are going to be difficult times. had you take out a leader who's been in control of that country
since 1969, there's a lot to do, and we have experience in the united states, just what we're doing in iraq right now, to help the people of libya. to start a new government. a democracy. hopefully free and fair elections. that's going to take time. the good news for libya is that they have oil, and if that's managed correctly, that hopefully will be put back into the country, provide for education. medical care. provide for infrastructure and they have an ability, but it's going to take a long time, and we are concerned about extremist groups. whether it be in egypt or other parts of the world. groups such as muslim brotherhood we still cannot trust, in my opinion. they're trying to put the word out they are more moderate when in fact they have a history of extreme activities and there are groups like that that will attempt to take advantage. >> since the united states didn't take a greater role in libya's -- in the fall of moammar gadhafi, how much -- i
mean, how much input will we really have about how the government is formed in libya? >> i think the good news is we didn't have boots on the ground. we can't be a sheriff of the whole world. the rest of the world, especially our allies have to stand up. we have problems in our own country, we have fiscal problems. still in afghanistan, coming out of iraq. it's really positive that nato and oh countries stood up and now it's about the world coming together to help this country, and to get them on their feet. remember, they were under the control of a tyrant. this individual who killed his own people. they don't have a judiciary system. they need a lot of work, a lot of help, but i think that the people there feel relieved. they have expectations now. it's going to take a while and we do have to be concerned about extremist groups trying to take advantage of this situation. >> quickly, after you're having said that, there is concern about the chemical weapons and other weapons. some of them we don't know where
they are. what can the united states do to make sure the weapons don't fall into the wrong hands? >> nato, along with the united states, has been very active in trying to make sure that those weapons, scud missiles, chemicals that can really hurt a lot of people, and i know right now the united states is usually expertise trying to burn off a lot of the chemicals that can be used for destruction and in the hands of the wrong place, an extreme group. al qaeda could really be dangerous. >> congressman rupersburger, thank very much. good talking to you. also new this morning, frank discussions under way right now in islamabad where secretary of state hillary clinton is meeting with pakistani officials at a news conference earlier this morning clinton stressed a strong pakistan is critical to stability in the middle east and also pressured pakistan to step up its efforts to target terrorists along the afghanistan border. president obama is accusing republicans again of obstructing
a bill that would create jobs and get the economy rolling again. criticism after the senate reject add plan to take up a portion of the president's jobs bill that would have provided more money for teachers and first responders. funding for this slimmed down jobs bill would have been paid for by a 0.4% tax on people earning more than it's 1$s 1 mia year, something republicans oppose. and a russian soyuz took off in french guyana. carrying two satellites which rival the surnt world positioning system. initially the launch was delayed because a technical glitch. in the world of sports, the texas rangers pulling out the win in dramatic fashion in the world series. rallying at the top of of the ninth inning and held on for a 2-1 win over the cardinals. game two in busch stadium, the series tied, and back to texas, game three, tomorrow night. >> and the first lady and dr.
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the top story this morning -- libyans still cheering the death of former liquidator moammar gadhafi saying liberation will be officially announced tomorrow. officials say they found ga day offy gadhafi in a drainage ditch. "you scum" and you rat" painted around the sewer when they pulled him out. >> the country is loaded with oil and money. money that was frozen during the revolution. if felicia taylor is live in london. what happens to all of the assets now? >> reporter: the make question, after trying to find all the assets. talking about both state and
personal assets. when it comes to the personal assets, many people aren't really sure what exactly exists. there's talk about multimillion dollar homes in london, austria and possibly hotels in africa. on the personal side. the state assets, those are beginning to trickle back in. don't forget, back in february, sanctions were imposed by the united nation. many of those assets were frozen. in the us alone some $37 billion worth of assets were frozen and there are other countries as well, including the uk and austria that had several billions worth of assets frozen. all beginning to trickle in to the new coffers of the new government. something called the libyan investment authority, or the lia, and they have a number of different investments in stock and bond portfolios. looking at some of the u.s. companies they invested in. huge tranches of stock in
general electric, caterpillar, halliburton, ex-son mobil and citigroup. not including others in the uk as well. the amounts of money, about $64 billion or $65 billion in this just one portfolio. talk about the country as certainly taking a look at the united states, italy, germany, finland, spain. it was worldwide where this money was actually going into. so the money has to be found in the first place, and then they will begin to you know, dwindle down the portfolios presumably because i would say the stock market hasn't been exactly doing great. very volatile. not the best time to be selling things and the libyan government will to do decide when it's appropriate to do so. the other interesting thing about this story, as far as the new libyan government is concerned when it comes to those personal assets, they're going to have to appeal to a court in order to get them and prove that corrupt money was used to purchase them in order to get
them back into the coffers of the newly formed government. it's a very complicated situation and literally it's going to take years for this money to be recovered. >> it's mind-boggling how much money there is. felicia taylor live in london. >> a total of $160 billion is what we're talking about. >> just crazy. thank you. since nato served a critical role in eliminating moammar gadhafi and liberating libya, it stands to reason the western alliance will also have a hand in the reconstruction of that country, but how much of a hand should the u.s. and europe have? damon wilson is a former top aide to the nato secretary-general and executive vice president of the atlantic council and joins me live this morning from washington. welcome to the program. we know nato meets later today to talk about the future. what do you think will be the ongoing mission now for fate nad the u.s.? they don't want to get up too quickly or get involved? >> thank you for having me.
nato ambassadors are about to meet in the next hour or so. what we're see today is a decision to conclude the military operation in some type of phased-down approach. i think also a recognition that nato's operation is done. but nato's involvement in libya is not. i think you'll see an extended hand of existence, how they will be able to assist in a new civilian government in libya with things like professionalization of forces, border xpurty. the reality it will take a lot for the libyans to afford a new i inlt r interim government to speak to the people. >> any last legs of this regime th somehow will pop back? they are chasing down saif al islam towards the south of the country and think they have him
sur surrounded. he is still, they think, on the loose. do we have to be concerned over insurgency over the necessary few days? >> we absolutely do. we learned good lessons after iraq. what's different, libyans have been control on this operation on the ground themselves. but this speaks to why i think you'll see the nato ambassadors today talk about how to phase out operations so they can prudently keep watch as things play out in the coming days. >> vice president joe biden essentially said yesterday this is an example how we come up way better way to do this. this actually worked. the u.s. doesn't have to unilaterally do things on its own. this is europe involved as well, nato leading the way. is this the new way of approaching these kinds of crises and these sorts of dictators, and can this be extended to yemen, to syria? is this the way the world should
operate? >> i think there's some important lessons to take away from libya. in many respects, this was a successful operation. an operation in which the united states played a prominent role and downplayed how much of a role we played. but europeans steped up to the plate showing nato works and also showed the alliance is effective in including air partners in this operation. a key ingredient to success. i'm not sure the way libya unfolded provides a clean example for yemen, for example. the prelude to what happened in libya was an arab league decision requesting international involvement and support against, to support for the revolution. a u.n. security council vote backing an operation, a nato decision to do so, because of strong political will coming from president sarkozy of france and the president of the u.k. look at yemen. we don't have the same circumstances lined up. i don't think libya offers a
neat model how this will play out in the rest of the middle east. what it does show, it's happened in the last 24 hours it shows dictato dictators, well enyemen's or in syria, they face a difficult choice and can negotiate a phased hand over of authority, which may happen in yemen, or they may face a more bleak future. >> let me ask you about the militias. we know there are unsecured weapons and have been, pretty significant weapons in the country. we spoke to a senior member who says they are disciplined, follow the ntc, obey the ntc exactly. he's not concerned about militias maybe working at cross-purposes with stability in libya. do you believe that? >> i heard his comments. i do think on the one hand the ntc has exceeded expectations throughout this transition period. many people thought it would be ineffectual and it's managed in a very different period to help tleed his transition. at the same time we have to be
very concerned about the proliferation of weapons, the lack of control of militias in libya. it's only natural to be concerned about that and something the alliance and the united states needs to keep an eye on and think clearly how we can work to support the new interim government to ensure they do gain some control over these militias. >> david wilson, thanks so much. >> my pleasure. things are slowly returning to normal in ohio day after dozens of wild animals were let loose by a suicidal owner in zanesville. all animals accounted for either killed by police or back at a nearby zoo. a missing monkey is expected to have been eaten by another animal. that's what they think happened to it. and autopsy results show the owner, terry thompson, shot himself shortly after releasing those animals. mitt romney feeling good. told an economic roundtable there's a good shot he'll be the next president, still the front-runner for the republican nomination and has been. herman cain on his heel, though,
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generation of al qaeda, anwar al awlaki killed in yemen and yesterday gadhafi met his bloody end. the president being praised even by some top republicans. >> the fact is that this is another success for the obama administration, and it was close coordination, as you mentioned, between nato air and people on the ground, which weren't always libyans. >> let's give credit where it's due. number one, the french and british carried the load on this, and let's not forget that. >> ah, that was marco rubio. he walked back on the sentiments later in the day i believe. dan lothian is live at the white house. some republicans have been trying to paint president obama as another jimmy cart whir er w comes to foreign policy. that may be impossible to do right now? >> reporter: right. as you point out, the president under criticism for not acting
decisively enough in libya. leading from behind, not getting congress and congressional approval. the white house and the president himself said this is a vindation of the administration's policy and careful to point out this was broad coalition that led to the success and that this is also a victory for the people of libya who themselves rose up against their leadership there, but no doubt as the vice president himself pointed out, yesterday was a very good day. take a listen. >> america spent $2 billion total and didn't loose a single life. this is more the prescription for how to deal with the world as we go forward. >> reporter: and so when he's talking about the prescription of the way going forward, it's that the u.s. not necessarily go into anywhere alone but as part of a broad coalition, either in a leadership role or supporting role as well. the administration, while certainly seeing this as
vindication and as a key victory also realizing there are big challenges for the people of libya. yes, moammar gadhafi is there, you have the structure getting put together for moving forward, but how will it all look? and will it be a peaceful transition? those are key challenges even the white house realizes the people of libya will be facing. >> part of the reason why some republicans out in say the president is leading from behind. >> reporter: that's right. but, again, you know, the strategy -- here they believe the strategy really worked. that this was an opportunity for the u.s. to not go alone. that was the biggest concern, that at least in in region it would be seen as a u.s. mission. that this is something the president himself took on would be like a cowboy going in to get moammar gadhafi. that was nerve are part ever the mission, at least from the white house, was never about going in and getting him bought part ever being in a broad coalition to go
in to mount pressure so that there would be, as officials here in the white house have been saying, peaful change, a peaceful transition. they believe that process is well under way now. >> dan lothian live at the white house. thank you. we'll talk to senator john mccain, coming here live in about ten minutes. still to come this morning, more bad flus for basketball fans as talks to end the lockout foul out. one bathroom sits on top of the throne of its own. i don't know what that means. we'll tell you when rest room has been crowned the best in the country. and today's "romans' numeral," . $343,927. a hint. the amount you need to join a very elite and controversial group. >> could they use that rest room? i. think so. it's 49 minutes after the hour. simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms.
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transitional council says he's still alive and they know where he is and he'll be captured very soon. he is wanted by the international criminal court on war crimes charges. there were false reports he was also killed yesterday. in the meantime, still a fog surrounding the death of his father, mormformer libyan leade moammar gadhafi. there is video proving he has died and we'll that to you now and warn you, once again, it is graphic. gadhafi captured alive by opposition forces. you see him in there being bloodied and manhandled. the libyan government says he was killed in the crossfer as they tried to take his hometown of sirte. he was found hiding in a sewer with a golden pistol. he had a new york yankees cap on that guy. one more strange thing out of libya this morning, the opposition fighter, as you just saw was cheering in victory after gadhafi's capture. chris lawrence joins us live
now from the pentagon. you're learning new details about how gadhafi died. what are your sources telling you this morning? >> christine, it's specifically what role nato played in that final strike in the hours before gadhafi was killed or died. we're now learning that there was a convoy of about 75 vehicles that were speeding out of the city of sirte. high rate of speed, nato now says these vehicles were heavily armed with ammunition and air asset, which we believe to be either the french jet or the american predator drone hit that convoy damaging one vehicle. again, only 1 out of the 75, but it was enough to stop the convoy, disperse it. some of the people in that convoy then got out on foot, which officials believe gadhafi was part of. several of those vehicles, probably about 20 of them continue to go at a high rate of speed out of the city. that's when the other air asset,
again either the predator drone hit that convoy, again, which damaged about ten vehicles. so, there were actually two separate strikes on this convoy. very large, very well armed. christine? >> well, this is carol, chris. i'm just wondering. i interviewed congressman a little bit earlier this morning and i thought if he thought it was an execution because some people say the wound on moammar gadhafi's head kind of illustrate someone shot him in the head at close range. he said there be an investigation as to how moammar gadhafi died. i asked him if, well, if it is deemed an execution, what happens? >> that's a very good question. you bring up a great point. you know, the video that we have seen is incredibly graphic. we want to warn viewers right off the bat, but there was a point in the story where the official line from the ntc of how gadhafi died and what we see with our eyes with the video
simply does not match up, they say that they found him in a drainage pipe. there was a crossfire, a shootout in which he was wounded and died. but the video clearly shows that he was dragged across the hood of a car and that he was wounded, obviously, but still very much alive. so, the actual moment of his death, exactly how he died is still in some dispute. obviously, it brings very much to the forefront what some nato officials have been saying in that the ntc has to get very firm control of the various militias that are operating. this is, at times, sort of a rag tag collection of groups that sort of unified under the one goal of overthrowing gadhafi, but the ntc has not always had great control over some of the milit militias. an incident like this and when you see video like this really brings nato's point back to the
forefront to say that the ntc, you know, in order to really go forward and establish a government, you know, which is the overriding big goal here, they're going to have to get a firmer control of some of the militia groups. >> but, ironic that the alliance, the nato of alliance may have killed him on his own anyway with the drone strike in the first place and none of these questions would have been asked. i mean, we think that he survived, obviously, we know he survived the initial drone strike, but that could have very well killed him if things had gone differently. >> still continue to investigate exactly how moammar gadhafi died. against international law to execute the leader of a country and it's deemed he was executed interesting to see where it goes from there, especially since, you know, libya doesn't exactly have a government in place. we'll talk to senator john mccain about that. chris lawrence, thank you very
much. >> not easy building a democracy from the ruins of a 40-year dictatorship. what role will the united states play. let's ask senator john mccain. he joins us live from washington. senator, thank you for being here. i want to bring you in on this discussion about the manner and the way in which moammar gadhafi died. is it, do you believe the ntc when they say that this was not an execution. that this was, you know, caught in the crossfire in the chaotic moments after capturing him and does it matter to you exactly how he died? >> well, obviously, it matters to some degree and, as you just pointed out suppose that the air strike had killed him, as well. but, i think the important point is that we do have to have the militias join together in an international army under the ntc. this is kind of a fog of war sort of situation. i think the important thing is that the ntc gained control of the military to have a functioning democracy and that's not going to be real easy.
>> what should the role be of the united states and the nato alliance and helping them do that? >> i think we should do a lot. the first thing the united states should do, by the way, i want to thank the british and the french for their leadership and if the united states had used the full weight of our air power, this conflict would have been over long ago. i want to thank the british, the french, united arab emirates and qatar who played a key leadership role while we led from behind. they have 30,000 wounded. they do not have the capability to treat these people. i'd love to see some of these libyans flown to our army hospital in germany. we could send the hospital ship into tripoli and into the harbor of tripoli and treat some of these wounded. second thing, obviously, i mentioned the militias. the third of these arms spread all over the place, we need to get those under control. then we need to go in and help them with the building blocks of
democracy. these ngos like the national republican institute and the national democratic institute and national endowment for democracy, after the berlin wall fell they went in and helped the soviet block countries achieve democracy and we could do that, as well. there's a lot of things we could do to help in making this transition possible. but it's very, it's going to be very, very tough. >> it really is. i want to go back to something you just said. you have been giving the president credit for this, but you also said if we used our fire power better and earlier that this would have ended sooner. yet, can you, i mean, that is, i think, an indictment of the so-called lead from behind strategy. when you look overall, you look at the death of osama bin laden and you have a president here who many foreign policy experts are saying as the really led strongly, getting some very bad actors out of the picture. you can't deny that.
>> i'm not attempting to deny it. i think they deserve great credit. at the same time we're now leaving iraq completely, which is the number one priority of the iranian, of the iranians. we are taking unnecessary risks in afghanistan by withdrawing troops there and i can tell you from traveling the world, that in the world they believe the united states is withdrawing and is weakening. that's a fact. >> let's listen to a little bit of what joe biden said yesterday about the way this was enacted with the nato alliance and the way the u.s. went into this situation. i want you to listen. >> in this case, america spent $2 billion total and didn't lose a single life. this is more the prescription for how to deal with the world as we go forward than it has been in the past. >> do you agree with joe biden that this is the way, it
shouldn't be the u.s. heading unilaterally into nato alliance. we didn't have boots on the ground. is this a model for other places? >> none of us ever advocated boots on the ground in libya. number two, if we imposed a no-fly zone early on, it would have been over. we wouldn't have the thousands of dead and wounded that the libyans have incurred. third of all, it's vastly different from iraq and afghanistan. different situations as syria is different from lemoyemen. each of these are different situations. this is the same vice president that said that the surge would never succeed in iraq and now succeeding in getting us out of iraq completely, which puts in my view iraq in significant danger of having more problems than they otherwise would have and in afghanistan, according to military experts, we're now having a greater risk because
the president is withdrawing our troops too early. that is my opinion and that comes from a long experience in the region. >> when you look at the libya situation, in particular, though, one of the things that helped this model was the fact, quite frankly, this was a lifeline for light swede crude oil for italy and europe. a direct line there. that's another reason why you had such great european interest in the region. do you think we could have such multi-lateral interest, again, in say syria or yemen? i know these are different situations, but do you see this moving forward? >> i think nato is still very important. i think in the case of syria, as opposed to libya, there's no base there as there was in benghazi for the libyan rebels. i don't see the military scenario, although we currently certainly could be doing a lot more to provide moral support to the syrian opposition just as we did not do when the iranians
rose up and the president refused to support them at that time. so, there's a lot of things we can do. each situation is different. yemen, i would like to tell you, i know an answer to yemen, but i don't right now. it is a chaotic situation and could be a real breeding ground for al qaeda. >> senator john mccain, thank you so much, sir. have a wonderful weekend. thanks. >> thanks for the interesting conversation. i think that we need to have more of this discussion in america so we can reach consensus. >> all right, thank you, sir. >> thank you. here's something you rarely see, cameras rolling as secretary of state hillary clinton looked at her blackberry and saw the report that gadhafi was in custody. she was getting ready for an interview that time. take a look. >> wow. >> unconfirmed. >> unconfirmed.
>> unconfirmed reports of gadhafi being captured. unconfirmed. yeah. we've had a bunch of those before. we had, you know, have had him captured a couple of times. >> she sounds like us yesterday, actually. this is the way all the journalists were reacting, everyone in washington, hopeful, but not wanting to get ahead of things because we had heard conflicting reports before. >> she was sitting down and wasn't jill doherty on the phone and then jill said, i got to go. still ahead this morning, the press conferences may be over, but not the public hooutc over those exotic animals set loose and later killed in ohio. did it have to come to that? should people be allowed to own exotic animals as pets. what about that monkey still possibly on the loose? frost and freeze warnings head up the east.
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i have read about this. >> 57 later and it's day 35 of the occupy wall street protest. you are looking a live picture of zuccotti park. residents near the park complained of noise and safety issues last night. >> a lot of people aren't happy. you're not happy, we're not happy. >> we should be able to walk to work and not have someone dumping urine in a bucket next to us. >> you don't know when your job will end, so, we're here standing up together for you, for each other. >> you're worried about your apartment. there are a lot of black and brown people that can't even have an apartment. >> people have a right to petition their government and to protest. >> my neighbors next door at 114 liberty, it is the drumming. and you've got to respect that. people have to be able to live in their homes. >> if my daughter was drumming in my house for 14 hours, i'd
murder her. >> if you thought that this was, you know, going to be really quiet for your kids, you're in the wrong place. >> we have to fight for what is best for this country. even if that means that one neighborhood in the country may not like it. >> some of the fixes include limiting the use of drums and chanting to only two hours a day in the middle of the day. this resolution will go to a vote. >> can you imagine, the drumming would get on your nerves. and then they sing and they play -- okay. good luck to you all out there. the protests have raised $300,000 so far. so what are they doing with all that cash? for obvious reasons, investing it is out of the question. cnn's money poppy harlow has caught up with occupy's money man. >> one of the most interesting things about "occupy wall
street" is the money. they have raised $300,000. who is funding them, how are they spending the money? where is it going? how are they not using the big banks? >> does everyone around here know you as the money man. >> a lot of people do. >> you call yourself chief financial officer or something else? >> no, there is no chief. >> what are things like these days? >> it's pretty crazy. i mean, this is really like doing an office job in a maush pit. >> right here by the food is where you're going to find one of the donation boxes. i just saw someone stick some cash in there. what is really interesting, these are all over the park and what occupy wall street tells me is they have got to the point where they're getting thousands of dollars of cash donations here in the park every single day. >> it's come from all 50 states. the average donation is a bit over $47. >> how do you make the decisions on what to spend the money on? is this a democratic vote or how
does it work? >> we have our general assembly. >> that's made up of how many people? >> everybody here. >> to stay warm. >> voted for us to get a storage facility. i voted on spending the money to get it. i voted for the u-haul for us to go back and forth without packages. >> as far as i'm concerned they're doing a good job of providing us with what we really need. >> i had a tattoo shop for many years and helped run a software development company. i went back to school to nyu and basically my concentration is finance. >> in terms of where the money is processed, it's donated to "occupy wall street" what we found out a lot is processed through a washington, d.c.-based nonprofit. in terms of fund-raising and in terms of how you get your money and spend your money, what differentiates you from a big corporation? >> first of all, we're people for the people and we're not
trying to make a buck here. we're trying to feed people. we're trying to get them some medical attention when they need it. we're trying to clothe the people that come down here. we're not trying to be greedy. >> they go to great length to be as transparent as possible. >> peace. >> peace. >> my grandparent were in the civil rights movement and my parent were in the anti-war movement and it's my turn now. >> poppy harlow reporting. i went down there last saturday to look at the protesters. the food line looks pretty good and i saw that donation box down there and it was full, frankly. >> i was asking people, talking about how you can try to change the system and change corporate america and change the banks and their point is they don't want to work within the system to change theist ism, they want to make a new one their own system. it sounds exactly what they're trying to do with the general assembly and everything. >> what is wrong with expressing your frustration? a lot of people are frustrated in this country right now. i don't know, food for thought. top stories this morning. frank discussions under way in
islamabad where secretary of state hillary clinton is with pakistani officials. clinton stressed that a strong pakistan is critical to stability in the middle east. she also pressured pakistan to step up efforts to target terrorists. a new day in libya. still cheering the death of moammar gadhafi. libya's new government said he was killed in the crossfire as they finally took his hometown of sirte. an air strike hit his fleeing convoy minutes before he was captured. liberation will be officially announced tomorrow. now that gadhafi is gone, yeah, the people of libya are dancing in the streets. the first taste they had of freedom in over 40 years, but when the celebrations died down, there is work to be done. building a democracy from the ruins of a violent dictatorship will be challenging to say the least, earlier on "american morning," senator job mccain weighed in on the role america should play moving forward. >> first thing we need to do is help them when they're wounded. they have 30,000 wounded.
they do not have the capability to treat these people. i'd love to see some of these libyans flown to our army hospital in germany. we could send the hospital ship in to tripoli and into the harbor of tripoli and treat some of these wounded. second thing, obviously, i mentioned the militias. the third of these arms that are spread all over the place. all kinds of weapons and we have to get those under control and then we need to go in and help them with the building blocks of democracy. >> all right, let's bring in jamie rubin. serves as an adviser to new york governor andrew cuomo on international affairs and you were with me yesterday as this news was unfolding. now the news is, trusting the ntc and how they say the end came to moammar gadhafi and trusting them they will put it together and move forward here. let me start with how he died. to you, the difference of whether it was a drone strike or whether it was caught in the crossfire or whether he was executed by somebody in the
crowd, what is the importance of that? >> i think there will be some in the human rights community, perhaps some who don't like the idea of the nato and the united states supporting the libyan movement there who will try to focus on the way he died. whether it was a young man who got carried away in the course of a gun fight or after or in all the emotion that this man generates. when you think about the emotion generated by a dictator like this, i don't think anyone in our country can understand the hate that these people feel for him the way he dominated their lives and the way he and his family ruled them like slaves. and, so, that level of hatred might have generated some young soldier to, let's say, finish him off after he was wounded in a gunfight. >> congressman told me that, you know, it's against internaesh l
al law to execute a leader of a country. that leader should be brought to justice. if he's killed in the crossfire, fine, but execution is another matter. >> if libya had a formal government and a government and those rules of war were inculcated into the armed services the way they are in our country or in the west or in many other countries around the world, i think you'd have the grounds, if this were the case, to raise the question of whether he was executed. but i don't think the international community or anyone serious about bringing libya forward is going to spend the time and the energy to do the kind of investigation you would do if libya was a proper government and had a proper armed services. had the rules of war and the geneva conventions read to them. >> that's just the thing. the national transitional council said all along it would prefer to bring moammar gadhafi to justice, so he can get a fair trial in libya and libya could show the world it could handle
democracy. that didn't happen because the crowd out there certainly wasn't an orderly crowd. it didn't appear there was anybody directing things. >> we don't know exactly what happened. we have pretty good surmise from these videos from the accounts in the newspapers that there was a firefight in which he was severely wounded. probably would have died anyway. wh whether he was "finished off" by some individual. i'm trying to give you an american audience, a perception of what it must be like to live under the boot of moammar gadhafi. it's not a western society, it's not a western government. this man and his family ruined the lives of millions and millions of libyans. so, i'm imagining he's wounded. they're all angry and they're hitting him with their shoes. whatever it is they're doing to bring out their anger. yes, it's possible he got shot. i hope the international community spends more time
trying to help libya grow and develop the rule of law than wasting time investigating this incident. >> let's talk about, you talk about that celebration on the neck and the throats of these people. we've been seeing the celebrations in the streets and also celebrating online and lots of people are sending messages to ylibya and ben ali escaped, mubarak is in jail, gadhafi was killed. which fate do you prefer? online or around the world people taking this airing spring and turning it into an arab fall and say fear among other dictators and their end will come. is it as simple as that? >> unfortunately not. the arab spring has been a wonderful development for the world where this part of the world is getting its first feel for people getting the power of government and democratic values. but they are a long way from it.
you had saddam hussein die after a trial and when iraq became democratic, you had mubarak in court wheeled into court and now you have gadhafi dying in the desert of libya. so, dictators, true dictators, yes, they are going to see this and they are going to know there's no escape. and i think one of the problems with that and we all talked about this in the middle of the libya crisis is that the dictators, therefore, feel there's no choice but to fight to the end. so, perhaps 20 years ago, 50 years ago when dictators could get exile in the french riviera or caribbean island or some place like that, it might have been easier to negotiate the fall of some of these governments. so, these are complicated issues. syria is much, much more complicated. we don't have the international support. nor is the situation as clean as it was. libya was easy. it was a desert, you had a rebel army asking for air power from
the united states and you had the arab league, the airing governments asking us for air power. let's be honest, we almost didn't give it to them. we really didn't want to. there was a lot of reluctance in this country. britain and france were much more enthusiastic and then president obama made an important decision to join the british and french and we were able to bring this successful revolution to an end. but, even when it was easy, relatively, we didn't want to do it. i don't see the rest of the world intervening in a serious way in syria or yemen, which are much more complicated. >> they sure are. jamie rubin, thanks for joining us, again. up next, another story that caught the nation's attention. the killing of 50 exotic animals in ohio. what happened to them? and what drives people to seek out and own exotic animals as
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it is 43 minutes past the hour. welcome back. police in ohio aren't sure, but they say they think all 56 animals are accounted for after they were set free from an ohio farm earlier this week. the one that's missing is that monkey. still at large. they think the monkey might have been eaten by one of the escaped cats, but the active search has been called off, but there is a happy ending for six other animals. three leopards, a grizzly bear and two monkeys survived and were captured and now recovering at the columbus zoo and we're told they're doing very well. >> meantime, the tragedy in ohio raises big questions about wild animal laws. caller for tougher restrictions on ownership. tiger ridge exotics in northwest ohio. jason carroll finds out what may be in store for exotic animal owners. >> reporter: it's feeding time at tiger ridge exotics, a private game reserve just outside toledo, ohio.
leo the lion is just one of about a dozen big cats, two grizzlies and two wolves getting lunch from the owner. do you ever get nervous when you're feeding the animals? >> no. >> reporter: never get nervous? you ever had a close call? >> every day. >> reporter: he says he has been keeping exotic animals without any violations for more than three decades. >> i just love to do it. it's just something i love to do. i've done it so long, it's part of me. >> reporter: he knew terry thompson the man who owned and released 56 animals from his own farm. 49 of them had to be killed. he doesn't know why taump snapped, but he worries about what the repercussions might be. >> that's what we got going on here in ohio. >> reporter: accidents involving exotic animals are rare, that may be true, but when they do happen, the results can be both tragic and violent. in 2009, a pet chimpanzee
attacks a woman in connecticut. the 911 call from her friend was chilling. >> he ripped her apart. >> he ripped what apart, her face? >> everything. please, please, hurry. oh, my god. >> reporter: in 2005, a 911 operator responds after a man is attacked by two chimps at a private sanctuary in california. >> tell me his injuries and repeat them. they need to know. >> they pulled out his eye. >> reporter: a man is injured in new york by a tiger. no people were hurt after thompson released his animals in zanesville, ohio, but given the history of exotic animal attacks, the potential was there. the story drawing attention to laws on keeping wild animals. ohio is one of eight states with least exotic laws. the few requirements to owning
these type of animals in ohio include need entry permt into the state. it's illegal to own exotic animals in 21 states. the sheriffs who had to put down thompson's escaped animals say the law here should be changed. >> me and the other deputies were forced into doing it, in my opinion, due to the lax laws in the state of ohio in reference to exotic animals. >> reporter: the state's governor has promised tougher legislation. kenny hopes those who do care for their animals are not punished in the process. >> they got this blown way out of proportion ohio is just the wild west. there's not a word of truth in that. >> it must be so expensive to feed all those people. you know people who have a couple dogs and it's 75 bucks a month for dog food. you think about huge animals that eat all of that meat. >> veterinary care to boot. i understand this terry thompson was thousands and thousands of
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fighters. a senior member of libya's national transitional counscil told me he's still alive and they know where he is and he'll be captured very soon. markets open in just about 45 minutes and right now they're on track to open higher. the dow, nasdaq and s&p 500 futures up this morning on hopes europe is getting a better handle on its debt crisis. the biographer for the late steve jobs says the apple ceo regretted not undergoing early and potentially life-saving surgery for his pancreatic cancer, instead, jobs chose to try alternative therapies. he thought the operation was "too invasive." nba talks breaking down and it's getting ugly. accusing the league of lying after three days at the table. the texas rangers pulling even at the world series. they beat the st. louis cardinals last night with a two-run rally in the ninth. that was a sacrifice fly there. the series heads to arlington for game three. the chicago bears and the
successful rock bands ever. >> rock band in a business empire. the world of kiss. a world rock empire that still tours after hitting the stage 30 years ago. poppy harlow got a close look at the band and the brand. >> all right, rock usa! you wanted the best! you got the best! the hottest band in the world. >> now, the fun begins. >> kiss! >> 38 years ago we put together the band that we never saw on stage, but wanted to. and we did it by the seat of oour pants. we were not marketing gurus. we didn't know what a brand
meant. >> fundamentals of how kiss is run are the fundamentals that make for a successful business. look at these heels. look at these heels. what man gets to put red lipstick on nightly? how many people can say that they have done gene simmons makeup. >> i would say none. >> is this all your hair? where did all that hair come from? >> that's a good question. ♪ >> watch this. >> wow. ♪ >> i have no problem wearing a
suit here and getting up on stage and looking like your mom's worst nightmare. and i know your mom, so, cut it out. we literally invented the idea of licensing and merchandising. come on in, you'll see what i mean. >> this is what we heard about. oh, my goodness. >> we have kiss lotteries, kiss mr. potato heads. you know, you kind of go like th that. one forward and then put all your weight forward. >> is that good? am i rock sfg. >> not so much, but pretty good. >> i heard there is a kiss coffin. is it true? >> it is true. would you like to crawl in it? look at the quality. they also double as coolers. >> what is your favorite piece of merchandise in this entire place? >> my favorite piece of merchandise is me.
>> we have created four iconic images known around the world. have we always been on top, no. but we always stuck to what we felt was right. >> we defied the odds and buried all the critics in our backyard and mystic gods that actually do walk the face of the planet. we are rock gods. >> well, it was certainly an experience. kiss inc. gets a rare look inside the world of kiss, the band, and, the brand. 8:00 p.m. this sunday, 8:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. we have a lot more on cnnmoney.com. print article and a big inside look at sort of the behind the scenes with kiss. never been on an assignment like that in my life. >> he's been marketing before people knew and bands knew how to market. he really is a machine. i once called him a musician and he said, christine, i'm an
entertainer. >> absolutely. he's more of a businessman than a musician. >> totally. >> what fascinates me is that gene simmons sits there and he's on ebay and he's on all these sites looking for boot leggers. as the band says, no one better to watch your house than you. they don't rely on business managers. they're all about protecting their brand, the music, the money and look how hugely successful they have been. >> they wear all of that makeup, you could really get totally lost in the audience because you don't realize how old they are. i wanted him to look like he did all those years ago -- >> they still do. >> he sounds great and everything, but with kiss, you can like totally emerge yourself in your youthful past. >> this is the business plan. they want kiss to live beyond them. so, eventually, they will pass
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