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>> we've got to bail you out. i'm so deeszed. i thought you were a billionaire. that's why i've been so respectful. >> yeah, beam me up. get out of here. >> william. >> my pleasure. >> my pleasure. i'm so sorry. >> that's all for us tonight. deeply depressing end to what was otherwise a great -- here's anderson cooper with a preview of 360. major new developments in the penn state sex abuse scandal. joe paterno has lung cancer. the ncaa is -- owe that in addition to investigating wrongdoing by the university. according to a new report, federal authorities may have good reason to investigate jerry sandusky because he crossed state lines with some of his accusers. we also learn from sara gannon who joins us shortly, another accuser may go to the grand jury and there may be victims with --
another bombshell concerning the former charity second mile, the one he founded allegedly to recruit victims while projecting a saintly image. david whittle saying the organization could end up folding. that's one of three options he laid out. that in his words the organization could end up "not continuing." the move matters because second mile faces a potential civil liability nightmare if the allegations are true and second mile turned a blind eye. they're launching an internal investigation. but they've been less than forthcoming so far about what they knew and had they knew it. in 2002 when the graduate assistant mike mcqueary saw sandusky raping a boy. curley told the grand jury he notified second mile yet second mile did not bar sandusky from contact with kids until 2008. six years.
no comment from second mile. nor comment from the new york times that several years of records were missing and possibly stolen. unnamed investigators telling the times that the missing files may make it tough to determine whether sandusky used charity money to recruit, groom or travel with possible victims no. comment on a separate report, nbc news citing a senior law enforcement force saying the fbi may be looking to open its own investigation into whether sandusky broke federal law, whether he transported a minor across state lines to commit child abuse. one boy, victim number 4, says he was repeatedly abused including out of state bowl games. there's a district attorney who investigated the allegations in 1998 and decided not to prosecute. it turns out,there's mo paperwork or decision mem row laying out the decisions why he declined to prosecute. there's no files on the case whatsoever and possibly never kept any files.
we'll ask our legal panel approximate that. as for the decision memo, the da insigss he searched for one. griker vanished six years ago and declared legally dead. the d.a.'s office has to comply with laws. penn state doesn't. the university made none of the records available to the media. none of them. tonight reacting to the ncaa investigation, school officials put out a statement. penn state intercollegial athlete ix intends to cooperate and understands that this is a preliminary step to understanding what happened as well as how to prevent anything similar from happening in the future. lot of talk about starting on the ground in state college from our reporter. she's been covering the patriot news, her paper. you've spoken with lawyers who say there's new victims coming forward. since jerry sandusky's interview on prime time monday,
they've had several calls from potential victims who are coming out and speaking out about this abuse for the first time because of what jerry sandusky said. they felt compelled to come forward triggered by that interview. it's not clear how many there are and how many will go to police and give a statement or go to a grand jury and testify. some of them date back to the 1970s. so in some cases statute of limitations might have run out. it's not clear the range of abuse from those victims. however, we are seeing a lot of reports of more people coming forward. the second mile, is it likely they're going to close? >> well, you know, the ceo told us today that one of three options. they're hoping it's not what they have to do, but they're taking time to talk to donors, to talk to the school that helped them with the programs. that facilitate the programs to see what they can do. going forward, what's the best
option. there's flee options. they did continue on as a second mile. they could continue on doing the things that second mile did under a different name or they might have to shut down. >> the news today that paterno has lung cancer, was this information out there under the radar or is this in fact new information? >> well, specifically lung dancer, yes. that's new information. i think it's surprising to a lot of students on campus. however, joe paterno is 84 years old. he's been the subject of speculation and health rumors for a long time because of his age and because last season he had kind of a intestinal kind of illness and he also had some bumps with players during practice that left him with health problems. people like to talk about him. this is the first really serious allegation -- it's not an allegation but serious assertions of a health problem.
>> where did the story surface? did the family release it or did the university release it? >> his son released it today and really asked that people respect his privacy. because he is going to have to go through some treatment. >> sara, appreciate it. let's bring in the legal panel. i mean, these -- just weird, first of all, the d.a. who is dead, that's the whole other bizarre story. these missing documents from second mile and even from the d.a.'s office, files that don't exist. what do you make of it? >> i draw a distinction between the two. it's very serious that second mile's documents don't exist. they're required to keep records. if they were gone just because they were chaotic and that's one thing. but if someone actively got rid of them, that's potentially another crime in and of itself. i'm less impressed or it's less significant that there is no record of a closed investigation. when i was a prosecutor, when we
closed an investigation, we didn't necessarily do a memo about it. the records were kept somewhere if we subpoenaed records, but there is not a formal process for closing an investigation. particularly in a small -- >> the second mile records would be important because it would have expense reports, travel. >> one of the issues i think is really important here, do you know how many different investigations are going on now? you have the attorney general, that's the one that she brought the judges. this federal department of investigation. you have an internal penn state investigation. you now potentially have the fbi. they're all going to want to interview the same witnesses. they'll have to straighten out who does what or it's all going to get messed up. this happens a lot in big cases. >> are all -- >> it is piling -- >> do they all want in on this. >> any time you have this kind of attention and media scrutiny rg you always have everybody
drawn to it like pros cue toorial moths to a flame. jeff hit it on the head. if you start interviewing these people and start getting different stories. like you've seen with mcqueary, you have an evolution of the story. you start having witnesses start to tell different stories, it's a prosecutorial nightmare. >> mcqueary in particular. >> sometimes you can interview somebody, if you interview them over and over again, that's redundant. >> and it's also painful. particularly given the accusations. even if you were telling the truth and you were a perfectly truthful witness, if you are asked five times to recount the same event, you're going to do it slightly different each time. you will then be cross-examined about why did you say this to this person and why did you say this to this person? mcqueary, remember he sent that e-mail to his friends saying he did report the rape to the police. whereas, the grand jury report says he didn't.
those are already two stories out there. the more people tell the stories, the more different investigation, the harder it will be. >> mcqueary could be claiming, i don't know what he was meaning this this e-mail, but he could be claiming that one of the guys he talked to oversaw the campus police and maybe in his mind that's potentially -- >> the problem is the statements are now out there and he has to explain it. if you only have one person you're talking to, the odds of conflicting stories are much -- >> how do multiple different agencies work that out? >> who talks to them when. >> at some point somebody will bigfoot it and say this is our investigation, our prosecution. my guess is it's going to be the attorney general and they're going to say to everybody else, you have to step aside. to some degree, this ncaa investigation i understand that they want to act like they're doing something, but it's actually quite silly. in this sense. what is the ncaa going to do at this point until all of the
facts are out, until we've had a hearing, until there's cross-examination in this case? i don't understand what the ncaa thinks they're doing. it's utterly ridiculous. going back to the previous point of the lack of a memo, in state court and in most d.a.'s office, they do have what's called a reject. i don't know if pennsylvania specifically this d.a.'s office does, but here in l.a., virtually every case where the d.a. gets a case for felony filing, they've got to fill out a form, they've got to say exactly why they did it and that's one of the things that goes into the file and it follows that file around. so to some degree that could be a problem later on and for the prosecutors as well. i don't understand why they wouldn't have anything, especially when you're talking about a case that's so emotionally charged, number one, and so potentially high-profile. >> good luck finding anything 13 years later.
the nature of what it's like. i was in the u.s. attorney's office, we had slightly different policies. but i mean, going back to find old records in any business is difficult. but particularly you're dealing with small offices. i mean, it's just really hard to reconstruct this. >> does the announcement of joe paterno's lung cancer, does that affect anything? >> i think it's very significant. because i mean, i hope he recovers. but lung cancer in an 84-year-old is a very serious thing. >> he's not facing any other part of this investigation. >> at a minimum, he's a witness. he may not be in a position to talk to people. sorry, go ahead, mark. >> i was just going to say, my experience is, when you have somebody who has led a lifelike he has and now all of a sudden everything is crashing down around you, i've had the experience countless times where this is the worst thing that could happen to somebody and
your prayers go out to the family. this is not something when you've got a mental state that is torn apart to begin with and you compound it with the healthish ice. i think to some degree, there's the story about the transer if of the house for one dollar. was that done because of a health issue as opposed to shielding assets. i hope it gives perspective to some of this. thanks for being on. let us know what you think. facebook, google plus. follow me on twitter. another coach under a cloud. there are differences, though. we're talking about what's happening allegations now have been made at syracuse university. differences between the way penn state handled it and the way syracuse is handling it. we'll show you how the
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syracuse university. bernie fine is on administrative leave as authorities investigate claims of child molestation dating back to the 1980s. two former ball boys claim he touched them inappropriately. both of them are speaking out on spend. >> honestly, i don't remember if i thought that was what was supposed to happen. i know i cringed up and didn't want it to happen. i was like what's going on? i just remember being disgusted in a sense. that's when everything, when he started trying to touch me, my private. >> i can't probably 15, 20 times. when you tell him -- first he just, had he first did it, you
would move away and wouldn't say anything because you -- you know, you didn't feel like you were capable of saying anything. he's a god to you, you know. >> 2005 investigation by the university found in evidence of wrongdoing. fine denies the allegations. for the latest, let's bring in ed in syracuse. bernie fine put out a statement and called the allegations false. he looks forward to defending himself against these allegations. he went on to say that sadly, we live in an allegation-based society and an internet age where in a matter of minutes one's lifelong reputation can be severely damaged. i'm confident that as in the past, a review of the allegations will be discredited and restore my reputation. back in 2005, he's referring to syracuse police investigating this.
according to the accusers and the university here, the charges weren't brought because they passed the statute of limitations. also the university says they had hired a law firm to investigate these allegations as well. interviewed four people that were connected to this. that were brought fort as witnesses by the accusers and none of the people could corroborate the evidence against the assistant coach of syracuse. all of this intense scrutiny going on in the wake of the penn state scandal as well. you want to hear more from one of the accusers who talked to espn last night. >> first he started rubbing my leg. he would sit next to me and one my leg and gradually put his hand down my pants and try to grab my penis. if i resisted, which i did, he would get more aggressive and grab it and say, just relax. just relax. if i didn't, he would yank it
and try to pull it. relax, relax. he would keep saying that imt. >> so these are the same two guys who are making the allegations now who made the allegations in 2005 that the police didn't investigate because of statute of limitations expired and they hired outside counsel and had a four-month investigation and could not corroborate anything said using the witnesses that these two men suggested, correct? it's not new allegations? it's basically old allegations? >> exactly. but the syracuse police, now, the city of syracuse police say they've reopened the investigation. that forced the dwrufrt here to put the coach on administrative leave. we've been trying to reach them to see what caused them to reopen the investigation and bring it up again. we haven't brought up any -- >> it could be publicity. don't want to appear as if they're brushing it away.
jim boeheim, what's he saying about the investigation? >> this is the interesting here. remember, sdwrim boeheim is to syracuse as what skroe joe pate in pennsylvania. this man coached here in three decades, his voice and opinion carolina carries a lot of weight here. he has the full sport of his assistant coach. he believes the charges are false. in that espn interview, they basically said that these two accusers were lying. interestingly enough, syracuse basketball team was practicing here tonight. we didn't hear from the coach but they are playing a game tomorrow afternoon. and in the media gathering after the game, we expect to hear from boeheim at that time. >> all right. ed appreciate the report. whether any of the allegation rs true, people are talking once
again about child sex abuse. we saw this during the height of the pre-sex abuse scandal, people wanting to know about how abusers operate, how powerful institutions try to protect themselves. i talked about it earlier tonight. we spoke to the host of dr. drew and the man who covers college sports. >> pete, you graduated from syracuse and reported for the local newspaper. did you ever hear any whispers of these accusations against bernie fine? >> you know, anderson, the only thing i knew was that -- it was after i left my job at the post standard, i knew that espn and the post standard will looked into these allegations in 2003. and that both of them decided not to run the story. >> doctor, i want to talk about something that was said. >> when did bernie fine begin to act unlike a father figure and like something else entirely?
>> i think he always tried to act like a father figure. if you try to put that in my mind, now that i look back at it, but probably when -- you know, sixth grade, 11, ten years old. he started trying to touch me and things like that. >> dr. drew, it is typical for child sex predators, if they're not the kind to grab a kid, to groom children. >> yeah. that is certainly the more common situation where these guys go through great lengths to groom them and develop relationships and build trust and then they start testing, start touching them in ways to see how the kid react. if in fact, the kids at most risk, high risk kids who have been abandoned or neglected at home or come from broken families who respond to any physical touch as a positive way. they really want that kind of touch and affection because they have not been getting it.
the victimizer sees that. there's no pushing away. then they go a little further and what typically happens to the victims is they freeze. that freeze response, which is something that's typical in victims, is what gives the victimizers the opportunity to really move in. >> pete, it seems like the way syracuse university responded to the allegations is very different from the way penn state handled the allegations against sandusky. >> yeah. i think anderson, it's important to realize here that the syracuse situation are just allegations at this point. penn state there was a three-year investigation and there was a grand jury report released. so -- but yes, you're direct. jim boeheim came out very strong in defense of his long time assistant coach in this situation. it was remarkable how much he did say and what lengths he went to defend bernie. >> dr. drew, in the syracuse case, the alleged victims waited for years to come forward. in one case, the abuse continued
until he was 27 careers old. is that unusual? >> it's not unusual at all for people to remain in silence and it's not -- also not unusual until others speak up that the victims begin to speak up. >> in both cases, syracuse and penn state, a lot of doubts have been raised about the cred nlt of the accusers. what would prompt somebody to lie about being sexually abused as a child. >> they're alleging in this case it's money. sometimes it will be misinterpreted as innocent contact as abuse. that happens in the world. >> pete, syracuse synonymous with college basketball, there has to be -- than this hint of a scandal would affect the program? >> sure. i'm obviously in state dlej now and have been here for a while and i've talked to our reporter, greg bishop up in syracuse today.
certainly there's a -- clearly, that's the university's defining image nationally is the orange of syracuse. the university was very proactive,unlike penn state in issuing a response. they put bernie fine on administrative leave last night. nancy cantore made that decision. this morning she sent a letter to the alumni how they were reacting to things. in the wake of penn state, grave concern. >> police are looking into it. but from everything i've heard, it sounds like police looked into these allegations back in 2005 and because the statute of limitations determined not to pursue, is that right, pete? >> correct. i just talked to tom in the syracuse police spokesman walking over here. he said they're actively looking at this and he said he really doesn't say much else. espn reported last night that an unmarked car picked up the second alleged victim after they
finished interviewing him for their outside the line story. it's safe to assume they talked to him yesterday. all police would tell me today, they're still actively looking at this case. they did look at this in 2003 and what the accuser told espn is that it was outside the statute of limitations and couldn't move on. >> pete, appreciate you coming to us tonight. thank you, dr. drew as well. thanks. just ahead tonight, how close is the super committee to coming near a deal to turn the federal deficit with deadlines fast approaching? not good news. we're keeping them honest. plus the drowning death of actress natalie wood is being opened again. we'll have a look at the investigation and figure out why they've reopened it.
the super commit owe has until wednesday to reach a deal. less time because they're required by law to have a blueprint ready on monday for review. six democrats, six republicans on the panel. they spent the day in a closed door meeting. what we're hearing them say in public, frankly, does not inspire much confidence. here's co-chair, senator patty murray. >> we're the di -- it's on taxes is the divide. whether or not the wealthiest americans should share in the sacrifice that all of us have to
make. >> on sunday, her republican co-chair congress jeb hensarling acknowledged this but seemed to say they were on the table. >> we believe increasing tax revenues could hurt the economy. but within the context of a bipartisan negotiation with democrats, clearly they are a reality. >> today though republicans offered to scale back that contained no tax revenues and democrats rejected that. pretty much how it's gone since negotiations began. the super committee does not make its deadline, that's going to trigger automatic across the board spending cuts to the tune of $1.2 trillion. some of the cuts would be to military programs. keep in mind, congress created that trigger to hold its own feet to the fire. but congress can also get rid of that trigger by simply voting to get rid of it. americans, meantime are almost out of patience. in a new poll, 9% approve the job congress is doing. 9%. the super committee says it's
going to work through the weekend to try to reach a deal. i spoke earlier with the political panel, and mark mckin none, goebl vice chairman. former adviser for the bush and mccain campaign and co-founder of the nonpart son political group no labels. >> so the automatic spending cut, they were supposed to force congress into making tough choices. they haven't made any progress at all it seems. >> anderson, things are looking grim. i think for the first time, we can really say according to the source rs i've been talking to, if things don't change dramatically in the negotiations, the committee is heading towards fail ur. evidence of that is that without getting into a lot of the detail, democratic and republican leadership had been talking about what republicans had called plan b or a backup plan if the committee was not going to succeed. but that was quickly panned as
it was mostly spending cuts and little revenue. it shows why they haven't gotten to the place they need to be. things are broken down and deadlocked over the same issues that they have been all along. which is taxes. democrats say taxes and revenue have to be part of any deal for it to be balanced and republicans say they're not -- remain firmly opposed to any tax increases unless it's part of a prodder deal. that's why the conversation has shifted from pushing for a deal and reaching their target to how do we lessen the blow of the trigger of that sequester if it has to set in. >> we knew all this months ago. we knew this is where the positions were. this is what leadership and compromise is all about. >> yeah. and the real irony here is that the congress and the white house punted this to the super committee and it seems likely that the committee will push it back to the white house and the congress. because they can't take action no wonder the public lost
confidence. they've showed us over and over again they're incapable of taking action twh it's clear to everybody what has to be done. you look at the design of the committee and both republicans and democrats intentionally put people on the committee that they knew at the end of the day would be partisan, wouldn't compromise and in the end there wouldn't be a deal. it's no surprise. >> gloria, what's the point of setting deadlines in the first place if they won't keep them? >> even members of congress understand that they're kind of a crisis activated institution and they never do anything anymore unless they're up against a wall. they have decided to put themselves up against a wall because they knew they had to set a deadline during the debt ceiling debacle because people had to take them seriously. again, even when they did this, there was a certain amount of skepticism as mark says, that this committee could get done in three months what congress hasn't been able to do in ten
years. guess what? they're unable to do it. >> can they find a way around the triggers? can they actually do that? >> any act of congress can be overturned or undone by an act of congress. they technically could. but leadership, including president obama, has said that they do not support that idea. they do not think that's a good idea because it can be seen as congress shirking its responsibilities. but there are some senators like senator john mccain among them, who would like to see overturned if it would kick in, at least the part of the trigger at that deeply hits the defense budget and there is clearly a concerted effort of trying to lessen the blow of the trigger and we have to remind everybody, these don't set in until 2013. so they have a whole year to fight over how to carve it out. >> but this is rationalizing failu failure. >> i agree.
>> they're trying to say it's not going to be that bad because the cuts won't take effect until 2013. the democrats have walled off entitlements. the republicans say we can undo some of the defense cuts. it's all rationalization. the american public will understand that they have failed. >> and mark, the consequence of that failure is what for the united states? >> well, it's a complete collapse in confidence in the institution of government to do their job. that translates into a collapse in confidence not just in government but in the economy. during the debate over the debt ceiling, consumer confidence collapsed 20 points and it wasn't even the outcome of that debate. it was the nature of the debate itself. this will just be more evidence to the public which already -- their confidence in congress right now is that 9%. it's down to family members of congress who are supporting them. >> mark, appreciate you being on. kate bolduan and gloria bore ger. a new look at a hollywood
mystery. what really happened the night actress natalie wood died. authorities in los angeles shocked everybody by reopening the investigation into her death. it's been 30 years since she drowned in the pacific ocean. we'll take a o close look at the case. james arthur ray, the sweat lodge guy. guru guy, the emotional plea before he was sentenced. we'll tell you what happened. st. ♪ i would have appreciated a proactive update on the status of our relationship. who do you think i am, tim? quicken loans? at quicken loans, we provide you with proactive updates on the status of your home loan. and our innovative online tools ensure that you're always in the loop. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze.
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the death of hollywood actress natalie wood. she drowned in 1981. she just finished filming what would be her last movie. she vanished while boating with her husband robert wagner. her death was ruled an accident. then today came this. >> recently, we have received information which we felt was substantial enough to make us take another look at this case. >> and on the "today" show, the former captain of the boot that wood disappeared from said this. >> i did lie on a report years ago. >> and what did you lie about then? >> it was just a -- i made mistakes by not telling the honest truth in a police report. >> we'll talk with our panel in a moment. but first, the latest developments. actress natalie wood was a hollywood legend. ♪ tonight, tonight known not only for her films, but also for the mystery surrounding her death 30 years
ago. wood drowned at the age of 43. at the time, it was ruled an accident. the case is now being re-opened for investigation. >> recently, we have received information which we felt was substantial, enough to make us take another look at this case. >> here's what we know about wood's death, on thanksgiving weekend in 1981, wood, husband robert wagner, and christopher walken went boating. during the night, an argument broke out. wagner was jealous of walken. after that argument, wood left her room and disappeared. her body was found floating in the water about a mile away. the coroner's office says wood was drunk at the time of her death. >> shortly after midnight on sunday morning, she apparently attempted to get on to the dingy, slipped, and fell in the water. >> but the ship's captain, dennis davern, who co-wrote a
book about wood's death has come forward with a different version of events. he said he withheld information from investigators at the direction of robert wagner. >> we necessarily didn't lie, we just didn't tell everything. and it was agreed that what we spoke about between the three of us is what we would tell the investigators. >> and davern says wagner waited four hours after wood disappeared before telling the coast guard. and that the argument between wagner and wood may have turned violent. >> there was a lot of physical activity going on in the stateroom >> what do you mean? >> just noises, movement in the stateroom. >> like violence, yelling? >> yes. and then the argument went to the aft deck, and they argued back there for a little while, and then it became silent. >> the autopsy report showed
wood had two dozen bruises on her body, as well as a laceration on her cheek. davern and wood's sister have both publicly said they believe wagner's argument with wood had something to do with her death. they never believed that wood, who spoke candidly about her fear of the water, would attempt to ride a boat on her own at night. police say wagner's not a suspect in this reopened investigation. in a statement, the wagner family says they "fully support the efforts of the l.a. county sheriff's department and trust they will evaluate whether any new information relating to the death of natalie wood wagner is valid and that it comes from a credible source or sources other than those simply trying to profit from the 30-year anniversary of her death." joining us now, "vanity fair," why do you think this investigation was reopened now? >> thing four elements. one is the reprise that you just mentioned. the other is, there has been a
petition in los angeles to reopen the case. a lot of her fans and people were dissatisfied with the original investigation. and i think that the third element is 48 hours -- >> cbs. >> right, which really took my story, which i wrote originally ten years ago, and really ran with it. and they're talking to ear and eyewitnesss -- >> ear -- people on boats nearby. >> right. there was a woman on a boat nearby who insists that she heard a woman's cry -- a woman cry -- a woman's cry for help, you know? >> so you don't think it was any one particularly coming to the police department and saying, here's some new information. you think it was more things that you had written and the idea that this was back in the atmosphere. >> i think so. and i think lapd doesn't want to be behind the curve. i mean, they don't quite know
what 48 hours has cooked up. and they just want to make sure. i think they would like to put this thing to rest too. because it's been 30 years. >> jim, you think the reopening of this case may have something to do with sort of the politics of the police department, right? >> well, i mean, the timing today, i agree that perhaps they want to be in front of the curve. it is interesting to me, when you listen to the news conference, they said they got new information that they deemed substantial, but they have yet to talk to robert wagner. they have yet to talk to christopher walken. they have yet to really re-interview dennis davern, the captain of the boat. you'd think that they would have done something of an investigative nature before making this big announcement, when all we really here is that robert wagner is not a suspect. one thing i thought was interesting in the timing. if you google "l.a. county sheriff's department" today, all you will see is this investigation. today is also a day where
they're investigating -- the sheriff's department could have announced this on the anniversary or after this special if new information did, indeed, come out that they deemed credible. so i just thought the whole aura of the event seemed odd to me. >> what are some of the thinking big things that we don't know about what happened on that boat? allegedly there was a fight and robert wagner acknowledges he fought with her that night. the presumption is she got into a dingy and her body was found a distance away. >> right. but also there were precious hours after she was missing from her stateroom where they didn't look for her. and where dennis, to his credit, i think, dennis davern -- >> the boat captain. >> yeah, the boat captain, does admit that he allowed himself to be constrained by robert wagner from calling the authorities. >> why didn't robert wagner want the authorities called? >> i think because he was robert wagner and it was natalie wood that was missing. and in a way, i think this is a
lesson too about how celebrity, a certain level of fame can compromise judgment. you try to manage -- you know, stage manage, at least a tragic accident. we saw that with chappaquiddick on some level too. >> jim, for you, what are the big questions you want answered? >> well, i mean, i think if denver davern has a problem with his conscience, i wish it had occurred before he wrote a book. that's one of my problems with this. i agree, this has been a mystery for years. there have been questions about this death for years. even though it was ruled an accident, natalie wood's sister has raised questions, certainly saying that her sister was terrified of water. so it would be nice to finally, i agree, put some closure to this. >> the idea that she was terrified of water, wouldn't get into a dingy. there was alcohol in her system, so she was probably -- she'd been drinking, so her judgment could have been impaired. >> oh, absolutely. they all were, actually. >> they all were? >> yeah. >> a fascinating article in "vanity fair" on newsstands right now.
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time now for the ridiculist. and tonight we're adding all the debate over whether pizza is a vegetable. you might have heard about this. congress has put the kibosh on an effort to make school lunches healthier. it all comes down to tomato paste. namely, what is the absolute minimum amount that can be counted as a vegetable in a school lunch? proposed new rules would have increased it, which would be great, especially for the many, many kids who love drinking tomato paste. no, congress decided all you
need is two tablespoons, and voila, that's a vegetable serving. which qualifies pizza as a vegetable. there's bb been a lot of talk about this. big questions are at play. is pizza a vegetable? is tomato paste even really a vegetable? and what about that thing about a tomato being a fruit? whatever happened to that? i think the most pithy comments to this question came from the "situation room." let's take a look. >> let's check in with jack for the cafferty file. >> a quick follow-up on to whether pizza is a vegetable or not, congress is a vegetable. >> i also like the take on jimmy kimmel live. >> we've got big vegetables here, we've got little vegetables here, even little bites. and the best thing about these vegetables is that they're always in season. >> of course, there is a serious side to this. food companies lobbied to keep pizza and french fries in the
cafeterias, and a lot of people have a problem with corporate interests being put ahead of kids' interest, because as dr. sanjay pointed out, what kids are eating at school can have a big effect. two thirds of kids get the calories from lunch. >> about a third get at least some of their calories from school lunches. this is not only important in terms of providing calories, but dictating the way how kids might eat now. >> trust me, you do not want to grow up thinking pizza is a vegetable. otherwise, fast forward 30 years and you try spinach for the first time and this is what happens. >> i'll try, all right. >> wow. >> ugh. >> you need a sip? >> okay, that's gross. it's also like slithery and. what's on that? >> it's actually not all bad newsis