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brought this sport really big, and i have madonna to thank for that. she had the insight to bring me on the show, and we worked closely together and became f t pretty good friends. now we're talking about doing a tour together. >> really. so that could be next for slackliner andy lewis and madonna. thanks for talking to us. appreciate it. i'm brooke baldwin, hour two. the carnage in syria, how much longer will the world keep watching? also, same-sex marriage is one step closer now to the u.s. supreme court. and california's largest school sidelined all of his teachers. time to play reporter roulette. again with the federal appeals court in california upholding a lower court's ruling. proposition 8 or prop 8, the state's ban a same-sex marriage, is unconstitutional. dan simon live in san francisco.
dan, you've been talking to people there. how have they been reacting to the news? >> reporter: obviously they're very happy about it. they expected this, quite frankly, and we should point out a little more than three years ago, a majority of california voters said they were against same-sex marriage. well, in this case the federal appeals court said the majority doesn't rule that proposition 8, which defined marriage between a man and a woman, is unconstitutional. from here, brooke, most observers think this case will be headed to the supreme court. it does not mean the fact that same-sex marriage got a victory today that couples can start getting married tomorrow. this ruling is effectively put on hold while this appeals process continues. brooke? >> so ultimately we'll be looking for the next big step to be the u.s. supreme court. dan simon in san francisco. dan, appreciate it. thank you very much. all right. next, we're going to talk a little more about syria. to do that, i want to go to senior national correspondent nick roberts in london. and nick, we heard out of the
white house daily briefing from the white house spokesperson jay carney, saying there will be a transition in syria. can you bring me up to speed and tell me about the foreign minister being there today. >> he went there with some foreign intelligence with him, and really what he was doing was backing up president assad saying he's committed to reforms, and he's committed as well to having the arab league monitors staying in the country, that they should expand their mission, but it appears to be on the surface of a rubber stamp of approval for what assad is doing in the rest of the country and in the city of homs, less than half an hour's drive from damascus itself, it has been the military on an offensive against the civilian population, the opposition. a visit by the top -- essentially the top russian diplomat is not changing anything on the ground right now, brooke. >> given the fact we saw over
the weekend with china and russia blocking any u.n. action, at least thus far, is there, nick, anything else other world leaders can do to stop the assad government from wiping out the opposition altogether? >> one of the things they are doing is trying to sort of unify the opposition and get them to agree to sort of at least discuss and talk through issues and formulate sort of a coherent, unified vision of what their next step should be. that's one thing and that takes a long time. the last time the international community got them together, which was a few months ago, they brought them all together around a table and then the opposition became more divided. there are some practical things going on as well. we heard the british foreign secretary describe how the british government would be giving special equipment to the opposition. we don't know what the details of that are, but certainly one
of the forcing positions has been to get that video onto the internet, video shot by cell phones, and it appears britain and the others helping the opposition in getting those videos out of the country to keep their message alive, show what's happening. so there are some moves, but these are nothing like the moves that were in a security council resolution that would have called on assad to begin to transition from power. it's nothing like that, brooke. >> nic robertson in london. we'll be watching the story day in and day out. thanks so much. next on reporter roulette, an elementary school in los angeles is replacing all 150 members of its staff, all the way from teachers to janitors, and this is all because of two teachers in the school who are being accused of lewd acts with their students in the classroom. casey is covering this in l.a. what about the school here,
miramonte elementary school, what are they saying about the decision to basic rell plaally all of the teachers? >> it was clear last night, very angry parents of students at this school. it's clear the parents have lost trust in the school, lost trust in the district. so the superintendent said he had to make the decision to basically replace the entire staff, move them to a different school, a school that's still being constructed as they're restrained and re-evaluated, and as this investigation continues, when school reopens on thursday, there will be a new staff that has also been vetted teaching at miramonte. here's what the teachers had to say at last night's meeting. >> i also am in the process side by side with the police of performing an investigation. we have to ask that question and we have to take staff out and you have to do an investigation, as i'm sure you understand on others profoundly trusted to the
school. i can't have any more surprises at miramonte. >> now, superintendent deasy also sending a letter to all los angeles unified school district parents urging them to report any suspicions of child abuse at their schools. that may seem obvious, brooke, but it's one of the issues that have been talked about here. many of the families at miramonte are immigrant families, from places such as mexico where teachers are regarded as unapproachable, almost like doctors, almost like second parents and parents are not used to questioning what they do. they have learned in a very tragic way that that's not the way things happen here in the united states, brooke. >> i talked to one parent last hour. she's furious and she's yanking her seven-year-old out of school. casey wian in l.a. casey, thank you so much. that is your reporter roulette on this tuesday. halfway around the world, kids are dying and their parents and neighbors are being slaughter slaughtered. rockets are hitting living rooms and bombs are tools of mass
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the white house accusing russia to giving solace to as sarks ss murders his own people. as the killing reaches new heights, we begin in bay route, lebanon. >> reporter: the images emerging from syria couldn't be in starker contrast. state television broadcasted massive crowds leaving syria just as russian foreign minister arrives for meetings with president as sarks d. at the same time, opposition activists continue to say that russia and china's position, the international communities' inability to unite on syria is simply em boldening the regime, saying the crackdown that the activists have been experiencing, especially in flash point cities like homs, have reached an unprecedented level of crackdown than began over the weekend. one civilian i spoke to was in
complete and utter despair, talking about in his neighborhood, for example, there was no phone, no communications. he said he had to risk his life just to get to an area where he could make a satellite connection to try to speak out to the outside world. the violence is targeting everyone. children are dying by the day. parents in sheer and utter anguish over the fact that they're unable to protect their loved ones and activists wondering how it is that day in and day out they continue to upload these images to youtube, the world is watching, and yet it is unable to come to some sort of resolution. russia for its part wants to try to push forward some sort of dialogue that would end the crisis in syria, but activists continue to say the regime is not something they can negotiate with any longer in any sort of peaceful or any sort of uprising, for that matter.
syria is one that is not going to materialize for a long, long time. >> thank you, i want to continue the kovrgs now with holla. we heard from jay carney last hour saying it's not a question of if, but when, syria's power will end assad. >> i don't know about that, but you do see total pictures of bloodshed. these are pockets of the inner city controlling the rebels, and the syrian regular army has been mounting a massive assault against these pockets of resistance. what does it mean for the regime? does it mean that it can't last, it won't last? perhaps. but the time frame is a whole lot longer than opposition
activists would want and perhaps so more than some activists in capitals are predicting, brooke. >> we can talk about how or when the regime will fall, but right now you're perched in washington. what should washington and the rest of the world be doing that they aren't doing to save these lives? >> the question is, should there be intervention or not, really, is your question, brooke, and this was a question that was posed before libya. nato forces got together and decided that it was doable and that it was something that had a chance for success in libya. however, the conversation is extremely different regarding syria because you have russia and china against any form of intervention or even condemnation in a u.n. security council resolution, and also the picture is a whole lot more complex. syria is strategically differently positioned in libya. when -- what do you do?
do you start arming the rebels? do you establish humanitarian corridors? i think what activists are frustrated with is there is no serious discussion of how to address this situation right now. it's all very theoretical at this stage. >> you bring up the arms. my next question is we've seen the syrian opposition kind of marching through the streets to actually now taking up weapons. are they getting help from outside syria, do we know? >> well, we have a sense based on conversations we have with some sources, that yes, they are starting to get armed, perhaps, with small arms at this stage. this isn't something they'll be able to stand up to the regular syrian army with, but yeah, the defe defectors, when they do leave with the ranks of the army, leave with their weapons as well, and we see them manning a tank here and there. but are they armed to the degree that it would require them to really resist the syrian army with their tanks and planes and
helicopters, et cetera? no, not at this stage. but i think the question is also, brooke, which is important for americans or anybody interested in syria to ask, what happens when you start arming the rebels and the defectors? what situation are you prepared to live with for years to come in syria? that's not for or against, it's a question that needs to be asked as to what scenario you're looking at going forward there. >> what would a post-assad syria look like? we'll see. appreciate it. now this. chuck koch has used my sons as nothing but pawns inned media. it's had an impact on me, and has had an even deeper impact on my sons than on me. it has had an impact -- >> hmm. chilling words from the father who police say killed his own sons, his sons and himself.
opportunity. >> as we all know, in the end, josh powell was the predator the boys needed protection from. josh powell used a hatchet on 4-year-old braden and two-year-old charlie. he gave their toys away ahead of time. the boys were on a court-ordered visit that was supposed to be supervised, but powell locked out the social worker moments after he set the house on fire. he left a voicemail for his brother, cousins aan you seousi family members. take a listen. >> this is josh. i am not able to live without any sons and i'm not able to go on anymore. i'm sorry to everyone i've hurt. goodbye. >> police have been investigating josh powell in the disappearance of his wife susan
stemming from three years ago, and susan's family believed an arrest was about to happen before powell killed himself and his two small boys. joining me now is ann bremner, attorney for the koches. they had full custody of the boys just before they learned the news of the murders. i'm sure they're just devastated. >> i had a press call and i wanted to make sure i heard it first before they did. horrific news. >> condolences go out to the family here. chuck koch told "good morning america" that was there was one warning sign. here he is. >> the only warning sign i saw was he appeared to be
cooperating more with the dshs workers and the caseworkers, and i remember that he seemed to be cooperating more with my daughter before she went missing. so that was a warning sign to me. >> that was one warning sign, he says. was there anything else, behavior or otherwise, that would make the family believe he was capable of something like this? >> well, i think first of all, the best predictor of future violence and prior violence. they're convinced and i'm convinced that he killed susan, his wife. the police say there was probable cause. there were other things with the pornography of his dad and the voyeurism next door. there are things hanging from the ceiling, his brother answers the door naked when police are there. he said he took his kids to a
class about predators and then he is the predator. he takes a hatchet to his kids before the phone call. we found it in the divorce file, chuck did, of his own parents. so this was somebody who was beyond scary and beyond vicious, and now we saw the final result on sunday. but could you imagine, could the family imagine he would really do something quite like this? never. who could ever imagine the unthinkable? >> and then the boys who, from what i've read and seen, they didn't want to see their father. the mother's parents had custody, they didn't want to go, but they had to. it was a court-ordered visit. this is what susan's sister said about filing a lawsuit on cnn. >> i'm not sure i haven't actually talked to my parents about that. i feel the state did the best
with what they could, but they just didn't have the right information to change the visitations, and i don't think they understood how serious and how mental josh was. >> so one couldn't imagine, ann, but as an attorney as well, would they have a case if they want to go after the state? >> absolutely, and maybe it should be a law. this could be braden and charlie's law that you can't have someone in a verified suspect of a homicide with their mother with havevisitation, et cetera. they had visitation in a neutral, secure setting. and you can do that. you can have armed security when you have high-risk parents. they had that. but somehow they decided to put visitation back in josh's home, and presumably they knew all of these things, so was it foreseeable that something would happen that would harm these kids?
absolutely. and that's something that basically needed a lawsuit, failure to adhere to a duty and what a horrible cost to these kids and this entire family. these little boys ran to their dad. they loved him. and he had a hatchet and set them on fire. it's the most horrific thing i've seen in my whole career of 29 years as a d.a. with murder cases and everything else, and i know the whole world is stunned and horrified and so saddened by the lives of these little boys. >> i know you said you thought he had a hand in the disappearance of susan, and they said one of the boys had drawn a picture of their mother in the trunk of a car. is that true? >> yes. and also they said mommy is in a mine. and as recently as christmas they were saying things like, if we go to the mine, we can find
mommy. they've done searches in utah and nevada. out of the mouths of babes. they were vocalizing things that happened to their mother. and the police knew this. this was also part of when we look at the other case for custody, and in the custody case, chuck and judy had said in declaration that they believe josh killed their daughter, the mother of these children. >> again, our thoughts with this family. absolutely, absolutely evil. ann, i appreciate it. thank you for coming on. >> thank you so much. hear why one college has lost tuition, 22%, after a troubling discovery. a man accidentally shoots himself in the head with a nail gun. find out what he worried about the most in that moment. and the what americans rely on most from the government. the funny thing is, it's not just support. that's next. selected oats that can help lower cholesterol.
anything interesting happening right now, let's go. the vp for the komen foundation is about to resign, this after a controversy of funding for planned parenthood. the call for reversing funding for planned parenthood just last week and she released this statement, and i quote, we have made mistakes in how we handled recent decisions and claim full responsibility for what has resulted, but we cannot take our eye off the ball when it comes to our mission, end quote. now take a look at this little/big one. china's biggest baby ever, weighing in at more than 15 pounds. his mom said she felt a little off during her pregnancy, but she said she didn't need anything totally out of the ordinary, and yeah, doctors delivered him by c-section. now, imagine this in an x-ray and in your head. a man shoots himself in the top of the head with a nail gun.
his name is jeff and he was just working on a house in south dakota when he shot himself in the head with a nail gun. while all of this is happening, he worries about his family. >> that's all i could think about is what would happen if i left my daughters and my wife if i would be gone. >> it took two doctors to pull that nail out. luptak is expected to make a full recovery. ouch. you always hear about the high price of college tuition, right? how about this one for you? one college is actually cutting tuition big time. this is the university of charleston in west virginia. it's slashing tuition 22% this year. it did this after enrollment dropped for the first time in a decade. officials have hoping the lower rate will help attract more students. the figure shows how many americans get a check from the
government and the figure is alarming. allison, nice to see you again, by the way. we're talking a lot of people. nearly half the country here. >> when you talk about half the country, guess how much that equals? it means more than 148 million people, brooke, are getting some type of government assistance and that includes everything from medicaid to food stamps to social security, medicare or unemployment benefits. part of the reason that it's gotten so bad up to this point is because of the weak economy. people can't find a job. also, millions of baby boomers, they're hitting that social security age, although that's not need based. still, listen to this. all of these programs, guess how much that adds up to? $2 trillion with a t. that's government spending, money going to americans for public assistance. that number is up 75% from ten years ago. one researcher who looked at this issue said, you know what, we can't afford to keep spending like this when you consider where our debt levels are, and this is the very reason why, brooke, we're seeing this controversy really play out in
this presidential race with lots of talk about the safety net and an entitlement to society. brooke? >> that's quite a change. thank you. it was amazing. i'm quoting this teenager who had just written those words on the same day she murdered a nine-year-old girl, her own neighbor. now is this teen learning her fate? you're hearing her chilling thoughts straight from her secret diary. sunny hostin is on the case next. were having too much fun, we weren't thinking about a will at that time. we were in denial. that's right. [ laughter ] we like our freedoms, but at the same time we have responsibilities to the kids and ourselves. we're the vargos and we created our wills on legalzoom. finally. [ laughter ] [ shapiro ] we created legalzoom to help you take care of the ones you love. go to legalzoom.com today and complete your will in minutes. at legalzoom.com, we put the law on your side.
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chilling journal entries of a convicted murderer read aloud in an open court. they were written by a virginia teenager who killed her nine-year-old neighbor. she pleaded guilty in january to murdering the girl and then burying her out in the woods. she was just 15 at the time. sunny, these diary entries, give
me a sense, if you would, just how in detail and how chilling they are, and what's the point of reading them out loud in court? >> they're remarkable. they describes the killing as a pretty amazing experience, and at the end of the entry she says, got to go to church now, lol. so of course the prosecution is trying to prove that she's this cold-blooded killer who took enjoyment in killing her nine-year-old neighbor, and this is a sentencing hearing, brooke, because she already pled guilty to second-degree murder. she's facing life in prison with the possibility of parole, but the defense in this case is really very interesting. the defense in this case says this is an emotionally disturbed girl suffering from severe mental illness who received an increased dosage of a prescription, rather, of prozac and that the prozac may have led her to commit this murder. now, we heard a lot of testimony
from psychiatrists, one that said that is nonsense. of course prozac doesn't make someone a murderer, in fact, it lessens that sort of rage. then we heard from other folks that said, no, that could have been a part of this. so we're hearing all of this so the judge can determine what the appropriate sentence will be in this case, but brooke, i've got to tell you, this is something that i've just never, ever seen before. we're talking about a young girl, a teenager, killing her nine-year-old neighbor. >> so you think one side of the sentencing spectrum could be life. on the other side, what could it be? >> well, you know, it could be probation. it could certainly be medical treatment. but there's no question that the prosecution in this case and the nine-year-old's family, quite frankly, is really seeking the fullest extent of the law in terms of sentencing.
so she's really looking at a significant amount of time. >> second case here, and this is a story out of texas where this teenage girl has pled not guilty in the shooting death of her father or the news is reporting the jury was deadlocked last week but finally came to a verdict. why do you think it took so long? >> this is a case that i've been watching for quite some time. a 12-year-old girl kills her father while he is sleeping with a gun. she shoots him, and her defense in this case is self-defense because she says that he had been abusing her sexually and physically for a long time. her mother has been a staunch advocate for her daughter, and it has torn apart the mother's family and the father's family. it's interesting, i think the reason that it took so long is because it's such an emotional case. i have rarely heard of a self-defense case work, be
successful, when the victim was killed in their sleep. so this is just a fascinating case, and i've been watching it quite closely. >> which begs the question, could this set some sort of precedent? >> that's the thing. people are saying, what does this mean for victims of abuse? is this giving the victim a license to kill? i think that goes too far, brooke. i don't think that's going to happen, but certainly i think it's something we're going to see more of, perhaps, in terms of the defense of victims of abuse coming out and harming their perpetrators. >> sunny hostin, thank you very much. now this. did you think you could hide? >> u.s. martials on the hunt for sex offenders who could be living next door to you. cnn takes ah loyou along for the as the feds carry out a raid. that's next. hmmm.
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thousands of sex offenders are on the run, and some could possibly be living in your neighborhood. i say this in part because 100,000 are ignoring the mandated registry. they are attempting to just disappear into society. we rode along with the u.s. martials as they try to track them down. >> reporter: a registered sex offender could be living right next door, but you may not even know it. this team of u.s. martials is on the hunt to find the ones who are in hiding. >> everybody that does this kind
of work, they approach a house as if someone is inside wanting to do us harm. >> the state database lists where these sex offenders should be living, but oftentimes they're somewhere else. a new report from the national center for exploited or missing children said the registered sex offender list grew 22% in the last five years. nearly 100,000 of them fall off the map and don't follow registry requirements. >> it must be frustrating. a lot of times you knock and no one is there. >> oh, definitely. >> reporter: during this week, finally martials get a good lead on one registered fugitive. they arrest this offender who says he was convicted of statutory rape, but martials caught him at a different address than is listed on the
registry. >> did you think you could hide? >> could you leave me alone, ma'am? >> reporter: he later said he knew he was violating the rules, that complying with the registry is difficult. >> reporter: you said this is ruining your life. how so? >> one, i can't find a job. i have to deal with people seeing my picture on the internet and everything. >> it's not enough to say go for it and sin no more. there needs to be a meaningful system in place for their benefit as well as society's benefit. >> reporter: how are you going to live your life now? >> i'm going to try to live it better. i have to do what i got to do to stay out of this mess. >> it feels good getting that guy off the streets. >> back to work? >> back to work and on to the next one. hopefully we can grab them, too. >> just in case you missed that statistic. we're told there has been a 23% increase in the number of sex
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before the launch, the president warned that the boy from phoenix, quote, the secret service will be mad at me about this. staying with the white house theme, the republican national committee a new york fashion week fund-raiser for president obama is in bad taste. it released a web ad calls it inappropriate when the economy keeping struggling. it's hosted by ironman 2's star scarred johansson. the obama, says all the designers involved decided to design products in accordance with election laws. coming up next, president obama once called it a threat to democracy. so why is he suddenly given his blessing towards super pacs and private cash, this is a big reversal. jessica yellin is all over it, and she's next.
he got caught on the wires. this is at a circus in michigan. watch it again with me. there's the cable. there he goes. take a listen. >> almost like he was in slow motion. just as he went up and hit, and the hear this big loud crash and the bike is calling found and him falling down. it was scary. >> the stuntman was rushed to the hospital. we're told he was okay. also a shriner dressed up as a clown hurt as well. and the new york giants got a heroes' welcome. ticker tape and all. listen to the cheers. thousands of fans in full force. and according to nielsen ratings, the game was the most watch tv event in u.s. history. how about that? well, well, the ode 'bama campaign has done a 180, decided to urge backers to help finance
one of the dreaded super pacs that just happens to be supporting the president's reelection. in the past mr. obama has derided these groups as wolves in sheep's clothing. >> every one is run by operatives, even though thee posing as nonprofit groups with names like americans for prosperity, the committee for truth in politics, or americans for apple pie. >> the president also called super pacs a threat to our democracy. let me bring in jessica yellin. so jessica, why the 180? >> reporter: the republicans are borrowing a line from the obama campaign's talking points, saying the president will do anything to get reelected. essentially the campaign says the president had no choice because they were facing an avalanche of outside spending on the republican side. my sources in republican super
pacs project they'll spend up to $400 million between the super pac and outside arms to try to defeat the president. the president's campaign says they cannot unilaterally disarm when they face those odds, they had to join it. >> so the obama camp has also vowed transparency saying they will not take money from lobbyists. what happens to that? >> reporter: gone. gone. the campaign won't take money they say, but the super pac will take money from lobbyists, from even corporations. they can take unlimited amounts of money from any kind of organization, as long as it's a u.s. organization. the new policy means that now cabinet members, staff in the white house, and senior campaign officials can attend events for these super pacs to send out the message they won't explicitly fund raise, but top campaign
fund-raisers believe that they were given a message they should not get their donors to contribute to the super pac. >> i do want to ask about the pledging of return of $200,000 by the collecting by a mexican fugitive. what's their explanation for letting this one just totally slip through. >> reporter: the campaign says they have 1.3 million donoors. they do that best to vet everybody, and "new york times" put an investigative team on it. as soon as it was called to the campaign, they returned the money, but also everybody that the people aligned with this fugitive family t. anybody that they raise money from, that money was also returned, brooke. >> chief white house correspondent for us, jessica yellin, thank you very much.
before we go, we just wanted to mention the story of josh powell reveals more evidence of how evil a father he was. this is an interview from last august. >> i will protect my sons. sill will protect my sons. >> those were the words. they just steam with hi pockry sis after autopsies show josh powell used a hatchet on his little sons before blowing them all up in his home in that massive explosion. so abc's "good morning america" they obtained the final words powell spoke via a voicemail that he apparently left 20 minutes before the house went up in flames. >> hello, this is josh. and i'm calling to say good-bye. i am not able to live without my sons. and i am not able to go on
anymore. i'm sorry to everyone i've hurt. good-bye. >> a little bit of the back story here. these boyce were at the center of this nasty custody dispute between powell and the parents of his wife susan. susan had disappeared. slice been gone ever since 2009. so her parents were the official guardians of brayden and charlie who were on a court-mandated visit. it was supposed to be supervised. deputies say powell actually locked the social worker out of the house. >> they didn't want to see their dad when it came time, but daddy's waiting for you. i encouraged them and tried talking them into going, but they clearly did not want to go. >> judy and chuck cox were starting to remember new details of the mother, one drew a sketch of a mother in the trunk of a car.