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limited pat-down or swabbing with the white pads for explosive trace detection so that probably would have happened but the goal overall as the tsa sees it is take people they see less risky and screen them differently. >> so a quick question because i have little ones, i could carry them if i wanted to. this boy had a broken leg. maybe that's why he wasn't carried. if you carried the boy through probably in better shape than in the wheelchair. >> because they'd be going through with you in the wheelchair wouldn't be. that's part of this, tsa tries not to separate kids froym their parents, that's something that raises parents' eyebrows. and the department understands that. they have lines you can call in before you take your kids on a trip. >> get me up to speed on the elderly. didn't they change? >> they did. we're talking limited screening, too. people over 75 at a couple of airports, four, can keep their
shoes on, a light jacket, they can go through the metal detector or screening device to try to avoid that pat-down. this is part of eliminating the pools of risk as the tsa calls it. >> a kinder, gentler trip for the rest of us. thanks so much, lizzie. it's the top of the hour. i'm ashley banfield. time to get you up to speed. several big developments in the investigation into the florida teenager trayvon martin. that case is going to a grand jury in seminole county, florida. and the department of justice and the fbi have opened up their own investigation into this case. last hour the martin family attorney said the teenager was on the phone with his girlfriend just before he was shot. >> the dots have all been connected. arrest george zimmerman for the killing of trayvon martin in cold blood today.
arrest this killer. he killed this child in cold blood. right now he is free as a jay bird, he's allowed to go and come as he please. >> martin was unarmed and carrying candy and iced tea when he was shot by a neighborhood watch california his name is george zimmerman. police say he acted in self defense and he was not charged and not arrested, not yet. a solder accused of killing 16 afghan civilians is meeting with his defense team for a second day. his lead defense attorney, for staff sergeant robert bales said his client wasn't drunk, that he doesn't remember the massacre. no recollection. >> the suspect's wife has release add statement calling the rampage terrible and heart breaking and a tragedy and also asking for privacy for her and their children. general john allen, the top u.s.
commander in afghanistan is testifying about the case against bales. also testifying about the deadly riots sparked by the burning of korans and also the death of 60 troops from six nations, all of them killed in that war this year. allen is voicing opt missile, believe it or not, despite the tough times. >> each of these events is heart wrenching and my thoughts and prayers go out to all of those affected by this violence. coalition, and afghan alike. but i assure you, the relationship between the coalition and our afghan security forces remains strong. >> back here at home if it is tuesday, must be primary day somewhere, right. that somewhere is illinois where rick santorum and mitt romney are duking it out. the latest poll shows that romney has a comfortable lead. a win would strengthen his front-runner status. but an upset could give
santorum's campaign that momentum that he so wants to chase. romney hold as huge lead. 519, santorum at 239, 54 delegates by the way, are up for grabs tonight in illinois. >> house republicans unveiling their $3.5 trillion budget plan for 2013. hooray. it includes proposals for income tax reform and sets a cap of over 1 trillion on diskraegsary spending and calls for changes to medicare t the budget chairman paul ryan said it would provide seniors with more choices. the white house says the budget fails the test of balance, fairness and shared responsibility. and it's election year, did i mention. president obama will spend time with irish prime minister edna kennedy. they are going to attend house speaker's friends of ireland 11chion. that was awful, wasn't it. bruce is laughing.
this evening mr. kenny will be the guest at the president and first lady's st. patrick's day reception. you're a couple days late. and president obama is of irish decent on his mother's side of the family if you didn't know it. i'm going to give up right now. let's move on to the other big story, the attorney for trayvon martin's family was speaking out. he wants the police to arrest the man on the screen, george zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who shot that florida teenager. our john zarrella joins me live from ft. lauderdale where the family attorney was speaking at the last hour. benjamin crump had nothing too kind to say about the local police forces in that community, john. did he have anything to say about the new federal case opening up and what he hopes will happen? >> you know what, he actually said that he is planning to turn over what he believes is pretty convincing evidence of what
happened on that night. and what i'm talking about is the release today that he says an interview he did with a 16-year-old girlfriend of trayvon's who was apparently according to crump, the attorney, on the phone with trayvon up to the last seconds before he was shot. in fact according to crump was on the phone with trayvon for some 400 minutes according to phone logs. and crump believes that the conversation with the girl, which indicates that trayvon was telling her on the phone that he was being pursued and he was going to run and she tells him not to run, and then of course there's a thud and he goes down on the ground. according to the girl, he released audiotape of that today, and he says that this absolutely disproves any self defense account by zimmerman. >> what george zimmerman said to
the police about him being suspicious and up to no good is completely contradicted by this phone log showing all day he was just talking to his friends, and in fact, he was talking to this young lady when he went to the 7-11 and when he came back from the 7-11. i'm going to get into that in detail because her testimony, her testimony that is shown on these phone logs, connects the dots. completely connects the dots of this whole thing. >> crump says again she going to turn those phone logs and turn the transcript of that conversation, the audio, that he had with the 16-year-old girl, over the to the department of justice, to the fbi, because he does not trust the sanford police department. ashleigh, also today the police
report comes out, additional information from the police report, from the night of february 26, and it indicates in there that zimmerman had a cut on his nose, bleeding from the back of his head and had dirt and grass stains on the back of his shirt and his shirt was wet. zimmerman claims in his 911 call to the police that he was the one being basically attacked. >> listen, john. have the local police made -- reacted at all to what this lawyer is saying, have they come out since they tamped this down and said we don't have probably cause. you have to have probable cause. have they responded? are they saying anything? >> no, they have not. the local sanford police department is not and cnn has been trying as much as they can and at every turn to try to get response from the sanford police. of course we know that norm
wolfinger, the state attorney in seminole county, has said now that he is going to use the resources of the grand jury that will be impaneled on april 10, to help out, to continue with this investigation, going to use them. of course, the governor as well also said that he has asked the florida department of law enforcement to help out. and here is a snippet of that 911 call zimmerman made that night. >> something's wrong with him. he's coming to check me out. he's got something in his hand. i don't know what his deal is. >> are you following him? >> yes. >> we don't need you to do that. okay. >> so, you have two different stories coming out here. the family and the attorney saying that it was trayvon who was the one who you can hear on some of these calls, asking for
help pleading for help. but zimmerman claims it was him asking for help. still a long way to go in all of this. >> you know, the more questions could be brought up than answers with all of this new evidence. thank you very much. here is a rundown of some of the stories we're covering over the next hour. an attorney for the soldier accused of a mass killing in afghanistan says his client doesn't remember a thing. what's that going to mean for the case? all this warm weather is causing misery for allergy sufferers. we'll tell you what to expect and if there's relief in store for you. then women set to earn more than men. i said it. i'm standing by it. at least the woman who wrote the book, who is going to be with us, we'll explain. nd spots, scans the road to reveal potential threats, even helps awaken its driver if he begins to doze. so in the blink of an eye it will have performed
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a lawyer for the u.s. soldier accused of slaughtering 16 afghan civilians says his client doesn't remember a thing. doesn't remember the killing spree at all. sergeant robert bales allegedly shot and stabbed his victims and set many on fire. witness accounts have told of this. he has yet to be charged with any of it. he has spent hours with his lawyers in kansas and paul joins us now to talk a little about this. paul, to be a fly on the wall in these conversations. they are the first of many, many conversations. first let's talk about what the lead attorney in this case, john henry browne told cbs news. he is not going after the insanity defense, my jaw dropped. but diminished dpasty.
for those who don't know what is it? >> what he's talking about here is post traumatic stress disorder, saying basically that the sergeant as a result of three or four tours of duty, i think it's four in afghanistan and iraq, was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder and that caused him to engage in this bizarre and horrific act. there were nine children killed, three women and four men and the bodies were set on fire, at least some of them. it's a horrific act. i'm a little stunned that the attorney would already say no insanity defense when he also says that his client has no recollection whatsoever. i kind of want to wait until a psychiatrist gets in the mix before i stake out that position. >> i wondered and listen, we're always trying to move the chess pieces before the board is out of the box. in this case it looked as though he was -- he talks about the head injury which often has to come in, he talked about the stresses because of all of the
tours of duty, he talked about that horrible incident of witnessing his friend lose a leg that could have set you 0y ver the edge. this is like the map of insanity. >> this colorful seattle attorney, john henry brown, 6'5", he defended ted bundy so he is no stranger to the insanity defense or defending people who have allegedly committed horrific crimes. i think what he understands ultimately, the big thing he has to do is avoid the death penalty for his client. for whatever reason he made a determination i'm not going to win on an insanity defense. this concept of diminished capacity, getting back to your first question, people think it's like the insanity defense and can be found not guilty. it's usually to reduce a murder to a manslaughter charge, or to avoid the death penalty. i think that's what john henry brown is positioning to dofully in the court-martial trial to
follow. >> you think it's because, i hear all the time that it's no band of brothers in the courtroom when you're dealing with the ucmj and you have a trial of your peers, all officers or service members. 3 are not going to think too lightly about this involving these children and the horrifying allegations that are against this guy and it might very well not go his way. it's hard enough in a civilian court. >> very hard, almost impossible 18 military koufrmt and frankly, this post traumatic stress disorder defense isn't warmly received. all of these guys, they are vets. they have gone through it. what everybody has been through this stress in a war zone, you are supposed to keep it together. so they are a tough sell. people think he's tried by fellow soldiers, it's a harder sell to them. >> i'm going to play devil's advocate. they have been through it and they have been watching their buddies too so maybe it could work in his favor.
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i drew the longer straw, so i'm in new york today. the rest of the staff i'm working with on this program, hard at work in atlanta where they tell me they woke up to a thin covering of yellow on everything. all i can hear in this thing called an ifb is coughing, sneezing and sniffling. the highest pollen count in the city's history and today is supposed to be worse. from behind a tissue i'm sure, chad myers, i'm sorry, i hate to hear that you're having this kind of distress. >> it's funny because everybody's car is the same color. everybody's car turned yellow. exactly. chartreuse, you put it on a fishing line and you might fish
that. it's the pine pollen coming out of the trees now. it happens every year but what we haven't had is rain. the rain has simply just not been here, so things don't get washed away, don't -- the first car that drives down my street it looks like they are driving down a dirt road. there is dust from behind the car like if you were driving down a dirt road. >> you get that guy with the blower making it worse for the rest of us. help. >> that's exactly -- the pine pollen is very large. it is not ragweed pollen which is prickly. this stuff there's just a lot so it gets in your sinuses but not the over reaction we'll get later on with ragweed. pollen in the east, pollen in the west, but the big bull's eye here across the southeast where the pine, birch and other things, is the warm weather responsible, yes. certainly more because things have bloomed earlier. what else is more responsible is
that this rain here, even some severe weather across parts of louisiana and east texas today, that is not getting to the east or the southeast or even in florida. so that wash away effect is not coming. there will be a couple of showers coming to this -- this is the next five days, light rain. but we need like two inches of rain to wash all of this stuff back down and into the gutters and back out. >> that huge system that was coming sort of eastward from texas, everybody was flipping out, we had a dangerous system dumping torrential rains, it's not reaching your state? >> it is not. it's what's called cutoff. the low is not in the jet stream and it's sitting sitting there and spinning. parts of texas picked up 5 to 10 inches of lane last night. that's louisiana and arkansas today. more flash flooding because the storms are raining in the same places. >> rats. i wish you well. >> thank you. >> i hate to say i wish you rain but i wish you rain. if you are planning a trip to the mountains you might want to
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so more women are becoming the main bread winners it turns out in american families. according to the labor department almost 4 in 10 working wives are outearning their husbands now. that's a pretty big jump compared to 20 years ago when that was fewer than two in 10. liza mundy wrote cover for this issue of "time" magazine, titled the richer sex. i take issue. i'm not sure we're richer yet. she wrote a book about. how the new majority of female bread winners is transforming sex, love and the family. thanks for joining us, liza. at this point in the game, men are still the primary bread winners, but you have a crystal ball and you see it transforming. give me the lowdown. >> as you say the percentage of working wives who outearn husbands is nearly 40%. that is going up steadily for the past two decades, so if you
just track that rise and project into the future, then if it continues going at the same pace by 2030 a majority of working wives would outearn their husbands given the fact that women are 60% on college campuses it seems plausible. >> what are the main reasons that men are losing ground? >> in some cases it's women gaining ground. because women do outnumber men in college, and have been increasing their presence on university campuses and in graduate schools for the past 20 years, i mean that's a good trend, and also there is still as you say, a gender wage gap. women do earn less than men on average, but that, too, has been narrowing. also changes in the economy. we saw in the recession that industrial jobs, high paying jobs for college graduates, for men, are disappearing, our economy is changing. moving toward what's called a
knowledge economy, and that in some sense favors women as well. areas like health care and education are expanding. >> so you sort of touched upon it. there is still this wage gap. i think it's what women are making 81 cents on the dollar that every man makes. yet you write about these women who when they go out on dates they downplay what they do for a living, they don't show the guy they drive a bmw and they try to hide their business cards at the same time. while it mind be a factual thing what is going on with sociology? >> the studies show that men are looking for high earning partners and when men rank the traits that are desirable 18 potential mate earnings has risen over 40 years and domestic skills plummeted. women haven't gotten the message. it's true that women think in order to appear feminine and pleasing when they go out they have to adapt these strategies. i interviewed a woman who carries small change, 1 so she
can pay for things like drinks and tips and parking without having it seem so explicit that she's paying for things. >> that's crazy. that's just plain nuts. are you serious? >> i am quite serious, yes. women would buy movie tickets in advance and say they were given away at work so the boyfriend wouldn't feel bad. >> at the same time we're hearing men are getting into this idea there is an equality of value to house work and domestic work and it's not seen that you're losing your manhood in any way if you cook and do the dishes and tell stories and let your wife work overtime. >> that's right. believe it or not, men have been increasing their house work contributions. they began doing this when women entered the workplace, earnings have clearly given women more bargaining power in their household and marriages. as you say, men increasingly are
understanding that there are great pleasures to being home with the kids and having more time and studies show that fathers want much more time with their children and are spending more time with their children than they were able to 20 or 30 years a go so this is a good thing for men. >> you know, i'm not going to let them in on a secret that it's way easier at work and harder at home. we'll let them figure it out. it's nice to see you. thanks for the work. and the peace and time are great. so this is a kind of hype that we have not seen since perhaps harry potter. >> each year the 12 districts shall contribute one young man and woman between the ages of 12 and 18 to be trained in the art of survival and to be prepared to fight to the death. >> if you don't know what this is you got to listen up. it's the hunger games street storm the box office. we'll tell you why fans are
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so one of history's mysteries. what happened to amelia earhart? "the aviator" vanished 75 years ago flying around the world. today in honor of women's history month secretary of state hillary clinton, and ray lahood vowed a new chapter in the search. the government will use about $500,000 of private money, team up with historical groups. rick gillespie is the executive director of the international group for historic aircraft recovery. that's a mouthful. he is going to be part of the expedition in july. so first, you maybe found a photo that made this happen. what's the photo about and what was the genesis of it all? >> let me correct one thing quickly. there is no government money at all being spent in this.
this is all private funding. we have encouragement from the government but this is in the private sector. the photograph. it's a photograph taken of what was called gardener island in those days, taken in 1937, just three months after airheart disappeared. and it's of the western shoreline and there's something sticking up out of the water on the edge of the reef. that the forensic imaging specialists tell us is consistent with the wreckage of the landing gear of a lockhe'd. that's important for us. >> i guess i don'ts understand why we wouldn't have already known about this. i thought a lot had been dedicated to trying to track her down, not just after the incident but in the 75 years since. no? >> i can tell you that in the 24 years since, our organization, tiger, we're a nonprofit aviation historical foundation, has been researching this, we've
made ten expeditions to those islands. we found a ton of evidence that this is the right place where her flight ended but we never had anything conclusive. and the photo isn't conclusive yet. it's the next big clue we found. the difference is that it got the attention of the u.s. state department and we got a very dramatic stage to announce this new piece of evidence, this new clue in the puzzle. but you know, investigation is a process, not an event, and we have built this case, the dots have connected over the years. and this is just the latest piece of evidence that points to the same conclusion the other evidence has been pointing to for a while. >> a lot of people say it's like a needle in a hay stack to try to find that lockheed martin. >> lockheed martin is one of our sponsors. >> you think if you do, and god with you, if you do fin that do
you think there is hope of finding maybe skeletal remains? >> well, turns out that the skeletal remains of amelia earhart were probably found in 1940 on this same island. >> how so? >> well, this was a rumor that nobody believed for years. but now we know for sure and we've known since 1997 when we found the original british paperwork, that in 1940, three years after she disappeared, the bones of a female castaway were found on this island, like a castaway's camp sight. and they thought it might be amelia earhart at the time but the bones were sent to fiji where the british headquarters were, officered as being male, and based on that the british didn't say anything to american authorities and the whole thing -- they closed the file. it was sort of forgotten. but the rumor persisted. we found all of the paperwork in
an obscure archive and found the measurements the doctor took. we gave them to modern forensic anthropologists, what comes out today is white female, northern european decent, stood about airheart's height. so we've been convinced ourselves for a long time that we've got the right place. we've found a place on the island that fits the description of where the bones were found. we have done investigations out there, three times now. and we're finding artifacts that speak of an american woman of the 1930s. nothing with amelia's name on it but everything is pointing to this being the place. now this photograph shows us where the airplane might be in the deep water off the end of the island. >> well, i wish you luck and i implore you to come back with your findings and talk with me live. how does that sound? >> trust me.
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justin bieber and robert pattinson posters. if you have twooens you have "hunger games." you have hanger games maniac. that's going to take over big time. the new big budget flick that takes place in a post epoch a liptic world where teens are forced to fight to the debt. it's not the plot of the breakfast club. our entertainment correspondent korecorrespondent , korrin winter. what is it about "hunger games," lay it out for me. >> of course because you were 29 and not because you're too old to get it. throw that out first of all. so let's set the record straight. it's a pretty violent movie based on a best selling trilogy. children range from 12 to 18
years old. theys are placed in an arena to fight until one survives. now in the story the games are treated as a reality tv show and broadcast by central government. those two teams about reality tv and rebelling from authority resonate strongly right now. you've got children killing children on screen, now some of my colleagues who have seen this said they were so surprised how violent the movie was. but it's compelling. it's a compelling central character who made this franchise so popular, she's a teenage girl, jennifer laurens, an action hero, fighting to protect her family in a world where everything is stacked against her. that's what fans are relating to and that's the hype behind this. everyone wants to see this. >> i was starting to catch up on what "twilight" was about. is it going to overtake? is it more violent? >> a lot of people are saying
that you know what, there is definitely a lot of action, a lot of violence. and a lot of uncomfortable scenes but it's expected to be much bigger than "twilight" because of all of the buzz behind this. for example, it's expected to pull in roughly $140 million in its opening weekend. that would be a record really for a march debut. and what's also interesting here is a crossover appeal when you compare to "twilight," a lot of people are saying it's so much bigger because "twilight" you didn't see young girls and boys lining up, you didn't see this anticipation as you see for the "hunger games." it's not just the fans here, the stars, they are really blown away by all of this excitement. i covered the premier last monday, jennifer laurens was there, lianne helmsworth and they could not believe all of the reception so it's the biggest film in quite a long time. >> well, if they are surprised by it now they better get an unlisted number real quick. good to see you.
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so imagine filing your income taxes only to be told that somebody else beat you to the punch, did the same thing and got your refund. every taxpayer apparently is at risk for this. our investigation here at cnn reveals that the criminals have been pretty brazen. in spite of a crackdown on refund fraud. you're going to see the fraud as it unfolds in florida where in some neighborhoods it's becoming a way of life. >> this is a known gang member. >> we've just rolled up on what police say is evidence of one of the biggest and easiest frauds
in america to pull america to pull off. a crime hidden on a piece of plastic, a debit card. >> he's got the cards, he just purchased them, it looks like. >> those debit cards are used to take advantage of fast tax refunds from the irs. here's how it works. the thiefs are stealing those refunds by stealing people's social security numbers from insiders at hospitals, doctor's offices, even car dealerships. any where you have to give your personal information. they then use the stolen information to go online and file a tax return, making up the income the person earned for the year. the irs then puts the refund money on a debit card purchased by the thieves. >> this is what they're buying. green dot money cards, target. he went to target and spent $600 and he paid with a debit card. >> what did you get? $1,000 for christmas in gift
card cards. >> this man is a known member of the infamous money avenue gang which specializes in this kind of fraud. not surprisingly, he's in no mood to taught. >> i'm just curious what you do for work that you have such a fancy car. >> i know nothing about that. >> do you know anything about identity theft happening around here? >> i don't know nothing about that. >> are you involved in the tax fraud? >> i don't know nothing about that. >> the detectives of the north miami beach, florida, police department will later charge him with buying these gift cards with stolen tax return money. police say here's the same guy on video at target using a debit card in someone else's name with the money from a fraudulent tax refund on it. and police say he uses those for
tax fraud. he's arrested for marijuana possession but later charged with grand theft and tax fraud. >> how easy is it to do this? >> it's like the federal government putting crack cocaine in gum ball machines. it's that easy. >> the criminals cash in the debit cards as quickly as possible, showing off their riches with expensive luxury cars. they flaunt fancy watches, diamond pendants worth $55,000 and other jewelry. this one inscribed with the words money hungry. just a few hundred miles north up in tampa, police estimate the fraud approaches a staggering $500 million in the last two years. >> that's over 2,000 in cash. >> just one example of what is happening nationwide. police chief says the irs efforts to curtail it aren't working.
>> it's wide open and they just don't seem to be doing much about it. just how much fraud has gone undete undetected? after weeks of asking, the irs's deputy commissioner beth tucker couldn't give us an answer. so just to be clear, you can tell us how much has been caught but the irs can't say how much of this fraudulent money has ended up in criminals' hands. >> we process 140 million tax returns on a given year. we are. >> doing a balancing act because one thing we want to do is get
refunds out to the hands of legitimate taxpayers as quickly as possible and with as little intrusion. but for thing a kuh-- the actua number, we need to get back to you. >> this man is furious with the irs. has the irs disappointed you and your city? >> i don't know, i haven't seen them. >> is the irs missing in tampa what's your response? >> no, it's not. in fact, we have significantly increased the amount of resources we've devoted to identity theft, which is a heinous crime. >> just one week after our interview, the irs sent a team to meet with tampa and north miami beach police officials. law enforcement tells us 2theres
a simple solution to curbing much of the fraud. don't allow the refunds to be put on debit cards. >> why hasn't the irs stopped that? >> not every taxpayer has a bank account. and so the debit cards that are issued by a third party provider are a legitimate way for taxpayers to get their refund. >> are these your cards? >> it's a very, very scary propositi proposition. >> the man you saw being arrested in that piece has not entered a plea for either the marijuana or the grand theft charges. police say it victim in the case had her purse stolen. and that's how all this started, how her personal information was obtained. let's talk about what you can do
to protect yourself from criminals who have that in mind. so allison, what's a girl to do? how do we avoid? >> the bottom line with this is protect that social security number like it's your first born. that is how the crooks got the tax refunds because they stole social security numbers. so know that you don't always have to give out your number. just because a business asks for your social security number, it doesn't mean they really need it. ask them why, why do you need this social security number? also don't give out your information unless you initiated the contact, because it could be a big scam. and if you're storing any personal at home on a home computer, make sure that it's put on an external drive that's encrypted, not on your hard drive. and finally, if you hire somebody to do your taxes, be careful about who you choose. check to make sure, check with the irs, make sure they're legit. ask the accountant how to keep your information safe.
ashleigh? >> randi talked about places you do give your numbers out like hospitals and car dealerships. how do we know when we don't have to give it to them and when we do. >> there's really not much you can do. let's say at a car dealership, you have to hand it over. one credit expert puts it this way -- when you file your tax return, you just have to beat the crooks to the punch. file your taxes early. in most cases the victims don't realize what's happening until they try to file and realize their alter ego has already filed. the trick there is just to file early. you can also do credit checks as well. >> if only those criminals were lazier than we are. just another example of why we need to get to it. all right, good to see you. thank you. reminder, folks, tune into cnn on sunday night as well to learn more about tax refund fraud. how it affects every taxpayer in the united states at cnn presents. and it airs sunday night at 8:00
the attorney for trayvon martin's family contradicts t st george zimmerman said. she spoke on "good morning america." >> the case is going to a grand jury next month, and the fbi and federal prosecutors say they're also investigating the february 26th killing. his lawyers say the u.s. soldier accused of killing 16 afghan civilians was not drunk at the time and has no memory of the massacre. staff sergeant robert bale's lead attorney says his client doesn't remember the killing spree. bale's wife has called the rampage a terrible and heart
breaking tragedy. >> we're keeping an eye on some severe weather, parts of texas, louisiana, oklahoma and arkansas. they're gracing for heavy rain and possibility of flash floods. it's the same weather system that spawned this tornado last night near san antonio. a proposal to make the deficit smaller calls for major tax reform and overhaul of medicare. it's called a sharp contrast to democrats. we are sharpening the contrast between the path that we're proposing and the path that debt and decline that president places upon. and yes, we do believe that our nominee, whoever this person is going to be is going to be perfectly consistent with this. i've spoken to all these guys. they believe we're heading in the right direction. >> the white house says the republican plan fails what it calls the test of balance, fairness and shared responsibility.
a car bomb on the ninth anniversary of the u.s. invasion. explosions killed at least 43 people and wounded more than 200. the u.s. state department condemns the attacks. it says violence in the region is at historic lows and the iraqis are capable oof maintaining law and order. fright bing moments after a gorilla escaped from its cage and attacked a zoo keeper. when the handler tried to contain him, the silver back began biting her. zoo officials say her quick thinking may have saved her life. >> reporter: what a scene at the buffalo zoo. is s.w.a.t. team, people running all because koga escaped into an area where he didn't belong. >> an emergency team tranquilized koga. the handler is okay. she was taken to the hospital and treated for minor injuries
ashton kutcher is headed to space. he will be on a flight which goes into sub orbital space. the flight cost $200,000. more layoffs at own. 20% of the network staff has been axed according to an announcement by winfrey. network executives and producers are among those let go. the retired queen of daytime calls it restructuring, saying it's a necessary step in the network's long-term success. the news comes just days after own canceled rosie o'donnell's five-month-old talk show. and four-time mvp quarterback peyton manning arrived in denver. he's if ishlly about to become a denver bronco. we'll let you see it live when it happens. manning opened contract negotiations with the broncos yesterday after weeks of speculation over where he would go. what remains unknown is what
will happen to current starting quarterback tim tebow. despite taking the team to a playoff win last year, multiple reports say the broncos are putting tebow on the trading block. >> we've got a lot more to co r cover. new information about the night trayvon martin died. the teenage girl heard the whole thing go down. public outrage builds against the man who pulled the trigger. what kind of man is george zimmerman. today you'll hear his voice. cnn's anwar damon shares the stories of the youngest victims in syria. then would it surprise you if i told you uncle sam is selling millions of dollars worth of wheat to iran? the search resumes for the most
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made 46 calls to police since 2001. some you' heard. the night he called police about a suspicious man that turned out to be trayvon martin. but just weeks before, zimmerman phoned them showing much more caution. listen. >> black leather jacket, a black bomber hat. >> what is he doing? . >> he keeps going to this guy's house. i know him, i know the resident .he's caucasian and he's going up the house and then going along the side of it and then coming to the street and going to the side of it. i don't know what he's doing. i don't want to approach him personally. if you have an officer available, i would probably have him stop on rinehart. >> there you see the watchman using a lot more caution. 24 days after that call, zimmerman opted to follow martin in the gated community in sanford, florida. police said zimmerman acted in self-defense and the evidence
they came across did not disprove that. but the family attorney said martin was on the phone with his girlfriend who describes a man following martin. here's that unidentified girlfriend speaking on "good morning america." >> he said there's a man watching him so he put his hoodie on. trayvon said he was following him. he said what are you doing around here. then somebody pushed trayvon and his headset fell. >> he kept pursuing trayvon martin. how do we know? because this young lady connects the dots. she don nekts the dots. she completely blows zimmerman's absurd self-defense claim out of the water. >> and that was the martin family attorney a couple of hours ago at a news conference in florida. the girlfriend's information is likely to be pif pivotal when the grand jury meets on this case. cnn's john zarrella, what are
they likely to do with these calls? >> the attorney announced that he was going to go ahead and use the grand jury to help with the investigation to me gather the evidence. but that grand jury is going to be em panelled on april 10. still a while before that grand jury gets into place. ofk, what are they going to be looking at? they're going to be looking at all of that evidence of what happened exactly. they're going to want to look at physical evidence. they're going to want to look at time lines. they're going to want to listen to this recording that was made of the 16-year-old girl friend of trayvon's. and exactly and perhaps even want to talk with her. so there's going to be a lot that they're going to want to digest. once they begin their proceedings. but again, not until april 10. >> and john, parentally the girl
signed the affidavit telling authorities she was on the phone with trayvon moments before he was shot. that, in fact, he was frightened it seems. she told him him to run. he said no, i'm just going to walk quickly. and then zimmerman seems to be the one following, going after him, even getting out of the car. it does throw a very different perspective of what's going on that evening. federal investigators are going to get involved. what are they going to look into? >> if it comes down to the federal government, the department of justice, the fbi in tampa is going to be handling this. you know the burden of proof is extremely difficult if it's a civil rights case they're looking at down the road. much different than the state case would be. so their burden of proof is really high. they would have to prove beyond any doubt that there was absolute premeditation, you know, on the part of zimmerman. that would be one of the things
that they would really have to prove. but they're going to be looking at all this evidence. and, in fact, the attorney crump who released that transcript of the girl's conversation with him, the girlfriend's conversation said they were not going to turn that information over to the authorities in sanford, florida, because they did not trust the police there. they were going to turn that information over directly to the department of justice. anticipate also, you know, it is important to note, deb, that in the police reports, some new information came out as well that kind of support what is zimmerman says. it said when the first officer arrived, zimmer man had a cut on his nose, a cut on the back of his head and that his back was wet, an indication to the authorities that perhaps there was a scuffle and that zirmman as well ended up on the ground. but that does not indicate who
was the aggressor. >> sure. you used the word pred meditation, but it could be a preconception as to whether the watchman stereotyped or had some bias. that's what some civil rights case that the feds look into, so that's very key. >> very, very difficult. >> and there were more protests today. obviously this has rocked this community. do you get any sense that people are now feeling the case is heading in the right direction now that the feds are involved and now that this tape has surfaced? or this conversation, i should say. >> right, there are certain things that definitely help. the fact that the department of justice is involved, the fact that the governor came out and said look, i want the florida department of law enforcement to help in any way with the local authorities. the fact that wolfinger has come out, the state's attorney in seminole county and said we are going to go ahead and get the grand jury involved, that's all
helped. but bottom underlying theme through all of this is that people are still saying why has george zimmerman not been arrested. if it happens at all, there's going to be a great degree of uncertainty up there. there is a meeting up there tonight, a rally at one of the local churches. and there are protests throughout this week into next week. >> we thank you. we are going to go to breaking news. and earthquake rocks mexico. we're going to take a look right now. what are you looking at? >> these are preliminary number, i don't have everything here that i need. a 7.6 may have occurred between acapulco and mexico city. this is an area that will be a
violent shake. there's the word, mayor earthqua earthquake. that's a value lad statement. 7.6 would endanger many, many meem in th people in this area. a lot of homes with made strongly, but not made to take the shaking of an earthquake. and then these buildings crumble. we saw how this can happen in haiti. and here's the acapulco mexico. we think it would insulate acapulco a little bit. quite a bit of damage expected here and into mexico city. quite a few miles away. this is the larnest, highest city literally in the world, almost 8,000 feet. and the shaking there would have certainly crumbled buildings. our cnn offices there.
very long duration shaking too. >> we're now hearing that it was an earthquake. the way acapulco is shaped, is there a possibility of one of those gigantic waves, the tsunami type waves hitting the city? >> only if it was offshore and the sea surface floor moved. then a wave would have been generated, but from what i can tell, the earthquake was under land. so earthquakes do not generate tsunamis when they happen under land. they only happen when they're you should water and the sea surface floor moves. that doesn't mean that if you have a 7.9, if it's 20 miles inland, the sea floor didn't move a little bit. >> we are going to let everybody
an earthquake hitting what do we know. >> these numbers are going to change. there are triangulation stations. and they will take the sdis tans from when this occurred and when the shake got to that station. when the shake got to that station and to that station and it literally will almost, like a gps receiver hone in on where that earthquake happened and how deep it was. right now, we know it was a 7.9, at least at this point in time. mexico city, quite a few miles away. i would say that's at least 300 to 400 miles away, but a 7.9 earthquake, even in the middle of a rarely or fairly unpopulated area is still going to do significant damage in the surrounding vicinity. go ahead aun zoom in hend zoom show me what's around. acapul acapulco, 120 miles away.
these are just small little villages, small literally dirt and gravel roads in between these villages. the best news is that this did not happen under mexico city. they felt a lot of shaking. there's still been reports of damage in mexico city. >> it happened about 120 miles outside of acapulco, a big tourist destination. what does it mean for places like acapulco. is there the potential for an after shock. >> if the fault broke this way, there may be after shocks closer to mexico city. if it broke this way, it could be closer to the pacific coast, the acapulco area right through
there. if this was a 7.9 earthquake, there could easy be a 7.0 aftershock. one full magnitude less, but very significant earthquake in itself. we will call them aftershocks, but people in california, you ask them what a 7.0 earthquake feel like, it's when the earth moves, it moves almost too much. the first break breaks the earth, slides too much and then it has to slide back a little bit. then every time it slides to get its equilibrium, there's an earthquake. there have been thousands, thousands of aftershocks since the japanese quake that did so much damage through the fukushima area. >> when we look at this area, for example, is this an area that's known for earthquakes. you mentioned california obviously. here we're looking a lot more south. but is there some sort of ratio.
is mexico hit as often as california, for example. from the strait of juan de fuca all the way up through bolivia, ecuador and the exmany can rocky mountains. the mountains are there. this abjust zone off the coast here, this is a very deep trench off the coast of mexico. and then this zone down into the earth is caused -- as the earth continues to move in a couple of directions, because this earth is moving this way, it's being taken under by the movement of the earth here, this moves about 61 millimeters a year under the surface. it doesn't shake every day, but you get that 61 millimeters to build up a couple of years and all of a sudden it moves a lot. when it moves a lot, we get the earth to shake like this. i have now been told in my ear it's been downgraded to a 7.6. that number could still go back
one way or the other. it was originally a 7.6, moved to a 7.9. in fact, some of the other zones from the mexican geological survey to the japanese meteorological survey, they have different scales and so the numbers may still be fluctuating around for many more hours. >> it's one of those events that you can not predict. >> do you even know how long the tremors lasted? >> it does matter a little bit. i haven't looked at shake map. buildings get cracked but they don't fall down. if you see the shaking continue for three minutes, the first 30 seconds cracked the building. the second 30 seconds cracked it
wos, then the next minute knocked it down. the duration of shaking typically will tell you how long the fault moved, how long the crack or the slide happened. did it happen for 500 miles or did it only happen for 50 miles? it's almost like when the thunder rolls. if it comes down it's a crack, boom. but when it goes across the side for a long distance your hear the thunder for a long time. it's the distance between where the shaking started, the shaking stop. the slide in the fault itself. and that's what we will know and we'll figure out whether it was a long duration quake. let me tell you, when you're in a 15 -second earthquake, it feels looic a minute. >> i'm sure there's no question about that. right now, we do have nick parker, one of our cnn producers there in mexico. we're going to go to him. first of all, where were you and what did you hear or feel? >> well, i was in my apartment
in mexico city and it was extremely unexpected. the room started shaking. and it was a very prolonged tremor. lasting about 10 or 15 seconds or so. the room started staking and rattling. i have a couple of dogs that began barking at the reaction as well. so it was obviously something that was immediately noticeable and quite sustained. >> nick, what is the distance between acapulco and mexico city roughly. about how long is the drive. how many miles if you know. >> the drive, i just came whack from acapulco yesterday. it takes about four or five hours. and the earthquake it seep, the epicenter was outside of acapulco and still trying to determine what kind of cultivation center it was near.
but just to give you an idea, that's probably still about a three -- >> nick? nick parker there is on the phone. we're going to try to re-establish a connection. but for those who are just joining us. a 7.6 earthquake rocking acapulco. hour producer nick parker telling us that it was felt from where it hit, and again, the earthquake was actually about 120 miles outside of acapulco. but the drive from there to mexico city, about four to five hours. that's roughly the same drive between new york and boston. and that's the dpis tans between which the earthquake, the tremors were felt. buildings shock. it lasted for about 15 seconds. this is a couple hundred miles away from the especialpicenter. chad myers is looking into this more now. the distance seems pretty great if nick felt that a couple of
hundred miles away. >> yeah, the distance is important. the farther you are away from the earthquake, the better you are. now we know this was about a ten-mile deep earthquake. now that honing in, that triangulation is now taking place. ten miles deep, a very shallow quake. that's about the same distance two the earth's crust as the haitian quake and that obviously did tremendous amounts of damage. but you have to understand, port a prince was right underneath that shaking. remember the earthquake that happened in virginia that damaged a lot of national monuments in washington, d.c. hundreds of miles away. the earth does shake for a very long time. in the east, the earth shakes more. it almost rins a bell. when one fault breaks here, it doesn't move much farther than
the next fault to the north, to the south, to the east of it. it becomes a little more insulated because of the number of faults in the west compared to the lack of faults in the east where in the east, rang the bell, we felt the virginia quake in georgia, you would probably not feel this quake in places like southern california. although the seismographs, we'll see the shaking. even in northern california where they're just so intensely technical that we will certainly feel the shaking. you probably didn't feel it. the dog maybe felt it or heard it. but in northern california, those seismographs would certainly be moving and we'll get a feel for how long this earth -- >> we are starting to get some pictures in from some of our ireporters. we have a picture in from a normer new yorker in mexico. you can see some of the damage done. that was posted on twitter. you can see some fallen furniture there as this all happens. again, that was over in mexico.
what do you think we the next environmental hit is going to be, the one-two punch. what can people there expect. >> there will be aftershocks about half as strong as the et quake that they have already felt. and so that's go i think to happen. if something doesn't look nailed down, if it looks broken at all, you need to get out in the open because the earth will certainly shake again. something else to worry about, because it happened under the land, we touched on this a lit bit ago, but i didn't exactly know where the location was. there will no be the a tsunami because it did not happen under the water. the floor of the ocean did not shake and so when the floor of
the ocean doesn't shake, then the water doesn't move and so there won't be a tsunami. here's a shake map now that i'm getting from my producer in my ear. the shake, is it moderate, is it severe? we see it here, if you hit some very strong almost category 7 shaking here. acapulco, here in the blue at a weak to a light shake. that's great news. and here, this again because of the number of faults in the area, the shaking doesn't go as far. >> what we're looking at there? >> let me tell you what i see. >> this is mexico city. this is where nick parker, our producer was calling us from.
people are continuing to move as they try make sense of exactly what is happening and how much damage it's costing. obviously this is one of those events when an earthquake strikes you may want to go to plan b. we don't know if people are out there because of the earthquake or the fact that they happen to be there. here's additional pictures coming to us. some firefighters there. again, we don't know whether they're trying to access some sort of underground tube or some sort of an underground venting system. >> deb? >> it appears that phone lines also now flooded in and around mexico city. clearly, there was more damage that struck into that main city.
and if there was damage in mexico city, i'm sure we can imagine there was certainly some damage done in acapulco, which was just about 120 miles from the center of that quake. chad, we see the people out there, but we also see cars driving normally. what do most people do when there's an earthquake? >> what i don't see, i don't concrete dust engulfing the city. i don't see dust that occurs when a significant shake crumbles concrete and sends the dust flying. you remember what the dust looked like from 9/11. that's the same type of dust we had in those buildings that will shake the buildings to the core and those buildings will continue, they'll collapse on themselves. i don't see that. this was not that bad. this is not a port-au-prince earthquake. people are in the streets. they're exactly where they should be.
they need to keep away from the buildings. glass breaking. they need to get away from the tall buildings, that's the safest place to be. now, there will probably be some gas leaks. there will be some gasoline ruptures. also as we get away from mexico city, ewe'll see landslides. they're not mud, it's not like a mud slide in california, but the land above on a high mountain top will shake and crumble and collapse through on to roads and to small towns. it just happens. the closer we get to the epicenter, the closer that will be. mexico city looks okay to me right now. certainly there's damage. it's not devastated. >> sure, a bit of collateral damage there. sfoen lines are flooded. people will have trouble getting in or out of that country. send in your ireports. also tweet us.
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welcome back, everyone. we want to bring you up to date on that earthquake in mexico. it has registered a 7.6 on the richter scale. we're told there is seismic activity in and around mexico city. the quake happened about 120 miles from acapulco. we have reached out to people there. they say they did feel some shaking, but right now, there does not seem to be any sort of interruption in electricity or phone lines in the acapulco area. we are being told in mexico, in the mexico city area that phone lines were flooded and so they are experiencing some delays. we received that picture on twitter. that's a new yorker now in mexico who said that furniture
fell. you could see some of the damage that occurred there. schools have been evacuated, but this quake happening outside of major cities, likely meaning that there is much less damage than initially anticipated. we're going to bring in our chad myers. still obviously a very strong possibility that there could be additional tremors. where do we see this going? >> we certainly could get tre r tremors to 6.6, even 7.0. that's typically one magnitude smaller than what we had here. 7.6, very large earthquake in mexico. you take this here, this line. we only care how the crow flies, not how the road goes. 120 miles to acapulco and 180 miles to mexico city. but the shaking, i believe, here in this rural area was violent. that's the best word i can get.
people looked like they were out on their lunch break, but that's where you need to be. i suspect we'll get a lot of shaking right around the earthquake site. below the epicenter, but not very much. as you get farther and farther away. the shaking was less significant the farther you got. 7.6, i can't imagine a better place to have it, which is literally in that very lightly populated area compared to mexico city or dloeser to the coast. >> and clearly the expectation is that mexican authorities are trying to get emergency team toths smaller areas. but for people in mexico, what should they be doing right now? >> well, you don't want to travel close to it. there's no were reason for you as an american citizen to go try to help. when you get close to these
area, you're going to find most of the roads are going to be closed because rocks and bolders from above came down and collapsed the road. that's just what's going to happen. most of the areas around this epicenter will have the roads closed. here's the shaking map itself. thank you, sean, for putting it up. it's the same colors as before. yellows, very significant shake pg that's where the earthquake happened right there. but when you get farther to a pull co, light green to light blue. we'll call that light to moderate shaking. all the way up to mex expo city, like shaking at best. i'm sure it rattled people's nerves. you can come home if you would like on the next airplane, but unless you're in .this vicinity, you're in no danger in mexico. >> there are things called fore
shocks and typically, a fore shock will indicate a larger earthquake possible within the next hour or to. it temperaturically doesn't happen, but 5 out of 100 earthquakes will have a fore shock and then the real earthquake later, so it's still not good to be inside the building. don't take anything. just take the precautions you can. don't gom near glass or things high above you. that may come tumbling down if another big earthquake does happen. we're going to keep an eye on the earthquake that happened there. we're going to be moving on. the american soldier accused of killing nine kids, three women, four men has no memory of the attacks in afghanistan according to his lawyer. cnn's ted rollins standing by live with sergeant robert bales is being held. that is coming up live next. i habe a cohd.
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we're awaiting to get another update in terms of specifics from today's meeting. this was the second meeting with his client. spent more than 7 1/2 hours with him yesterday. and during that period of time, brown says his client didn't remember a huge chunk of what happened in afghanistan during the massacre, saying he remembers bits and pieces from before and after, but nothing during the actual incident, which, of course, has raised more questions as to what pushed this otherwise well decorated member of the military to kill so many innocent people. >> as the attorney described his
demeanor? does bales even understand what he is allegedly being charged with? >> we don't know to what extent he understands what happened. i'm sure he does now and i'm sure he understands the ramifications of his actions or alleged actions in this case. but we don't know specifically so what we gree. . >> and ted, his attorney has told reporters the government is going to have a hard time proving this case. obviously there are eyewitness, there are afghans, but what about other eyewitnesses and forensic evidence? has he talked about that at all? >> i don't know if those comments were taken out of context or what? but i think the federal
government would take exception to them not having many evidence. there's surveillance of him come back on the base and surrendering early in the morn pg and you have 16 people massacred. including women and children. i think there's going to be a mountain of evidence against him. if he did say that to the attorney, i can't understand why he would given just the pure facts of the case. >> the u.s. military does say bales will be tried in the u.s. but where hasn't been decided. the lead attorney said bales was not drunk, does not remember large chunks of what happened and is in shock. cbs news quotes the attorney as saying he would not use the insanity defense but defense of diminished capacity. what exactly does that mean?
the adjunct professor of military law and a former marine prosecutor. what are we talking about when a we're talking about diminished capacity? especially given what you just heard about this sort of blackout. >> no, he doesn't remember because that's laying the ground work for his defense, diminished capacity. there is no defense of diminished capacity in military law. however, it may be argued by the defense counsel to the members, to the military jury, if the military jury accepts that he has no memory of what happened during the critical period, then he will have succeeded. premeditated murder, which is what he's going to be charged with, is what the lawyers call a specific intent crime. in other words, it's one of the things that the government will have to prove is that bales had a specific intent to commit murder. if he can't remember anything, then the government is going to have a much harder time proving
specific intent, although it can be done. >> technically lawyers could argue that he didn't go out intending to kill anyone and then something sort of happened. and again, this goes to, i think, what we're hearing about that he suffered some sort of potential brain injury. obviously there are going to have to be extensive psychiatric exams and they're going to be bringing up his medical records to see whether he sought any sort of medical help. >> intent doesn't have to be formed long before the act. it can be formed seconds before the act. but you're right, there's going to be a lot of medical maneuvering, both medical psychiatric from the medical side and the defense side. when it does go to trial, the diminished capacity argument, if
accepted will reduce, and if the government can't prove specific intent, it will reduce the offenses from premeditated murder to something much lesser. negligent homicide, which has a maximum penalty of three years per count. the diminished capacity defense, although it's not recognized in military law can be argued and if accepted it could have a great affect on sentencing if he were to be convicted. >> and what's so interest, gary is that he could face execution. he was in the military when he committed these crimes, but i remember, i covered the case, the first sort of death penalty case against a u.s. soldier in iraq who killed a family. and i remember the closing argument of the defense who said, this was somebody we september into war who wasn't broken when we sent him. he became broke and the u.s. doesn't kill its wounded warriors. it was probably bar none one of the best closing arguments i have ever heard. how does that come into play?
that this was not a man who even as described was capable of something like this. how does that come into play? >> he was convicted of financial fraud before he ever came into the argument. ehe's had a hit and run record, an intoxication record, minor assault record. so it's not all that clear that there wasn't some problems with this individual before. and of course, the army recognized this in that they did not promote him to sergeant first class. and so there's something in his record probably that we don't know about. it's not something they can bring in in their case in chief. in a closing argument, you bet. that's dynamite and it may affect the military members if the case ever gets that far.
and also, when we look at a sort of medical defense, the witnesses that are going to be brought to trial, you made the clarification,s in going to be held before a military jury. how does that differ from a traditional military if at all? >> not at all. i think that a military jury is in some respects superior to a civilian jury. and that's because all military officers who compose the military jury are college educated and are trained to obey orders. so if a military judge tells them i want you to ignore this elephant in the room, they're going to do the best to ignore that elephant. of course, if the accused wishes, he may ask for enlisted members in his trial as well. but i think the military jury is going to be no different than a civilian jury. they're going to dispassionately review the facts as presented by the prosecution and the defense and carry out the ininstructions of the military judge in reaching their verdict.
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people are calm. you can see people standing close to the walls, which is usually where you're supposed to go, the center of the building. when these kinds of things happen. getting organized. and this is coming to us from rueters, as you can see. so they are the ones who are getting it together and doing what needs to be done during an earthquake. rafael romo has been working his sources, making calls to colleagues in mexico. and rafael, what are you learning? what are they telling you about exactly what happened and what they felt. >> the reports we're getting is that this particular earthquake has cause no major damages in places like mexico city. the state of the south end acapulco where the epicenter was believed to be located, what we're hearing is that the general situation in mexico at this point is calm. people have routinely, slowly but surely abandoned buildings.
mexico city had a major earthquake that left thousands upon thousands of people dead. people in acapulco told me they felt it for sure. but communication lines, power lines that the water system, everything is working as normal. so at this point, everybody is just standing by. the government has implemented an action plan. there has been at least one other tremor since the first one, but nothing major at this point. >> and the action plan that the mexico government puts together. do you know specifically what that is? >> from time to time, people in mexico city, because it's such a vulnerable area for earthquakes, from time to time business offices and government building, they conduct earthquake drills so people in those buildings real will know what to do based on their terrible experience in 1985. in mexico, of course, the main