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in the meantime "the situation room" with mr. joe johns in just a minute. you're in "the situation room." where the president stands on the right of judges to overturn his health care law. pl plus mitt romney is already running into trouble with female voters. south carolina governor nicky haley tells us what he needs to do about that. and a plane crushes through the roof of a busy grocery store. somehow everybody survives. welcome to our viewers around the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off. you're in "the situation room."
the obama administration gives in and replies to a rare order from a federal judge. the latest round there a legal and political fight over the health care reform law. things escalated this week when president obama warned the supreme court against overturning himself cherished legislation. some appeals court judges took offense and demanded a written explanation. they got one. let's begin with cnn congressional correspondent kate baldwin. kate, the administration has answered this request. so where do things stand now? >> to use a sport metaphor, i'd say the ball may still be in play, joe. i wouldn't call this letter a bombshell but it's definitely another strange twist in this political battle that has no end in sight. three pages single spaced. that was the unusual order by a federal ciuit court. attorney general eric holder personally responded saying nothing has changed. the power of the courts to review the constitutionality of legislation is beyond dispute.
president obama's top law enforcement official saying of course the administration believes the courts have the power to declare acts of congress unconstitutional, a long accepted pillar of constitutional law. still, this seemingly academic exercise is at the center of a testy political dispute over the supreme court's review of the health care law. >> i'm just saying that there's a lot of -- i mean, it kind of ridiculous to believe that the president wasn't talking about the context of the case. >> the white house remains on the defensive with many republicans happy to continue the fight. >> the president crossed a dangerous line this week, and anyone who cares about liberty needs to call him out on it. so i would respectfully suggest the president needs to back off. >> all of this stems from these comments by the president monday. >> i'm confident that the supreme court will not take what would be an unprecedented,
extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected congress. >> federal judge jerry smith tuesday demanded an explanation. the attorney general in his letter defends the president saying his remarks were fully consistent with the principles of judicial review, though don't expect this to mark the end of the controversy. >> he's making it clear to the court that the position of the president of of the united states and the executive branch is that the courts basically should keep their nose out of the shaping of economic policy, except in the most dire of circumstances. so, you know, i think there's still quite a bit of tension now between the executive and judicial branches of the government and this is rare. >> and while tensions remain
high, this is all political talk since the reality is the final word on the fate of the health care law comes from one place and one place only, the supreme court and this public spat isn't likely to have any impact on the justices and their final decision. of course you know that's coming in june. to talk about the legal battle versus the politics, those are two very different stories. >> it is fascinating to see the public of the united states engaged with this public dialogue with the sport. >> a lot of commentators, and court watchers sass this tension may exist in private, very rarely do we see it spill so publicly out there. >> wolf got reaction to the show down from senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. >> a former law professor said the president misspobd with he seemingly warned the supreme court. tribe said president obama didn't say what he meant and in
order to avoid misleading anyone, he had to clarify it. jeffrey toobin also studied with tribe at the harvard law school. do you disagree with your former professor lawrence tribe? >> i revere lawrence tribe and i think he's completely wrong here. i don't get what this controversy is about. it's a totally phony, made-up controversy. barack obama did not suggest he was not going to comply. he did not suggest the supreme court didn't have the authority to overturn the health care law. he simply said the court, in his opinion, should not do it. presidents express opinions about the constitutionality of laws all the time. he signed this law. of course he thinks it's constitutional. so the idea that there is some challenge to the court seems to me completely absurd. >> but, jeffrey, the president said it was unprecedented if the supreme court were to overturn a law passed by the house and
senate signed into law by a president of the united states, that's what the u.s. supreme court has been doing for a couple hundred years. >> since marbury versus madison they have the authority to overturn laws. no one is challenging that. what's unprecedented in the president's opinion is a ruling saying this law is unconstitutional because the president believes the law, the precedent of the court itself justify what congress did in passing the law. i don't see how you could be so willfully, you know, looking for a fight to say that the president was somehow defying what the supreme court has historically done here. >> yesterday right here in the situation room, you remember this, jeff, you accused that appeals court judge, fifth circuit, of what you called a judicial hissy fit by demanding this three-page letter. eric holder, though, the attorney general formally responded with a very serious legal opinion. what do you make of the response
and what do you make now that you've had a chance to digest this whole exercise between this fifth circuit court of appeals judge and the attorney general of the united states? >> well, i thought over what i said to you and then i decided to say it again on cnn.com in an opinion column. i think this was completely outrageous on the part of the fifth circuit. the president is entitled to his opinion on any number of matters, including the constitutionality of laws. the attorney general of course had to respond. when a judge makes an order and you had better comply, especially if you're a litigant before that judge. i did think it was interesting that even though the order was for a three-page, single-spaced letter, the way i look at that letter, it basically two and a half pages. >> but it was on three pages. the third page was not complete. >> wolf, i think you'd make a good lawyer there. it was on three pages. >> i'm going to play the clip of what lawrence tribe says the
president misspeaking on monday. lawrence tribe, well known, a liberal law professor at harvard. these conservative justices -- judges from the fifth circuit, they seem to agree with lawrence tribe. here's what the president said. let's talk about this a little bit more. >> okay. >> i'm confident that the supreme court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected congress. >> all right. that's the clip. as you know, since 1803 marbury versus madison, that's exactly what the supreme court has been doing and now he's saying a lawrence tribe points out, this would be unprecedented? >> he is saying it would be unprecedented in this context. remember, this is a president who is asking the courts to overturn the defense of marriage
act. it's obvious that the president knows the courts can overturn laws. the courts have been doing this for many, many years. i mean, you don't have to be a lawyer to know that the united states supreme court has the power to overturn a law. i don't know how you could be so willfully obtuse, with all due respect to my beloved professor tribe, to think that the president is saying it is outside the power of the supreme court to overturn a law. that clearly is not what he was saying there. >> i think what lawrence tribe was saying and what i say as well is what the president did on tuesday gives some context, some perspective he should have done on monday instead of just speaking the way he did because he could leave the wrong impression, not only with his critics, conservative judges down in the south, but also with someone like lawrence tribe. i think the context would have been much more important on monday. but that's just me. >> you're in good company with lawrence tribe, that's for sure. >> jeffrey, thanks very, very
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the latest employment figures show a sharp showdown in hiring last month. employers added 120,000 in march, half as many as in february. the unemployment rate dropped from 8.2% from 8.3%. david gergen, this is certainly worse new than expected. cnnmoney.com's forecast was for more than 200,000 jobs. apparently it's seen as a disappointment to the obama administration. how bad do you think it is? >> i think it was such a surprise, joe. everyone expected over 200. to come in at 120, which is such an anemic figure, it was the surprise element and people thinking is the economy slowing down. we had in the last two years each time in the beginning of the year there was a false dawn, there was a sense the economy has finally turned the corner,
we're finally going to see more robust growth and that happened again this year. i don't think we should read too much into this but if you have two, three more months of these numbers, that would be serious political trouble for the president. >> this is what alan kreuger, the chairman of the economic adviser says about it, there's more work to be done but today's employment report provides further evidence the economy is continuing to recover from the work economic downturn from the great depression. mitt romney came out with this statement -- this is a week and troubling report that shows the employment market remains stagnant, millions of the americans paying a higher price for president obama's economic policy, more and more are dropping out of the labor force all together. what are the voters supposed to make of this? >> i think this will give the voters because but i don't think it's going to be determinative. we shouldn't read too much in this. there are seasonal factors in this.
we may have had more jobs in the last three months when we got over 200,000 a month because it was warm weather. it was unseasonably warm and that caused people who hire more. so we're going to have some ups and downs. from the president's point of view, politically what he had opened for was a steady climb out, slow but steady out of the trough. if we stall or things seem to be slowing down, that is bad news for him because it tells the voters, you know, that dawn you thought you saw out there is not there yet, it's still illusionary. and people are going to be making up their minds over the next six months about which way they're going to vote in this election. this strengthens the romney argument, yes, it's a recovery but it's a weak recovery, a wimpy recovery as "time" magazine called it. so many americans are continuing, working people, are continuing to have really tough
times. >> so your feeling is that republicans will really be able to make hay out of this, that is of course unless next month's report is a little bit better? >> yeah. it gives them more of an opening. if this thing starts climb being back out again, this lab little speed bump, it won't amount to much. but if it becomes a trend, watch out. >> i wanted to ask you also about the issue of mitt romney's gender issues, if you will, with the american public. also, the issue of the augusta national golf course and membership, women are still not allowed to go there. the chairman of ibm is not allowed to actually be a member at augusta national, even though she's a woman. president obama's weighed into it, the republicans have weighed into it. is this something that will help the republicans if they get on board and behind women? >> i think mitt romney got sucked way too far to the right
by rick santorum on health issues, women and contraception and the like. he now has to make a very serious effort to show that he would be a good president for all americans, including women, who would advance. his wife is an asset on this but he needs now in effect a cabinet or advisory board of leading women and people like meg whitman and others who are very much for romney. he needs an agenda that really addresses the issues surrounding women. president obama had a woman adviser when he ran. it was a smart thing to do. there are issues in our society that have particular relevance to women, and mitt romney has to show he not only understands those issues and concerns but he actually sees a way forward, so more women can have jobs, going to have balance in their lives, their kids are going to be protected and have a chance to compete in a 21st century
economy. right now he's doing fine among men but among women there's almost a 15-to-20 point gap between president obama and mitt romney. mitt romney comes in a 20-point gam among women, he'll lose the election. >> and i know you've been following the excesses at the general services administration. well, a huge controversy out there and the question i think is whether there's going to be any blowback for the administration as seen as not accountable, since this has been going on for a while. >> i'm not sure about that. i this the fact that three heads did roll right at the top pretty quickly once the facts came out i thought was smart. they cleaned it up as fast as they can. what you look for in this kind of thing, joe, as you well know, you're such a pro, you look for patterns. an isolated incident doesn't cost you very much. but you see two, three of these things, that costs you a lot. >> great. thanks so much. >> take care. >> it's always great to see you,
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backing her candidate. wolf talked with her when she visited "the situation room" this week. >> the governor of south carolina, nikki haley, is joining us in the situation. >> thanks, i'm glad to you with you. >> you've written a powerful book. you get into your life. can't is not an option in my american story. let's talk politics a little bit. you want mitt romney to be the next president of of the united states. >> i absolutely do. >> the recent gallup poll shows he has a significant battle with women in key states. 54% say they support the president, 36% support romney. why is he suffering among women voters right now? >> you don't look at what the ish i issue is, you need to know where the problem is. women care about jobs in the economy and raising their
families and all of those things but they are not relating to him as much as we want them to. that means he has to work harder and he needs to bring that one golden bullet he's got, which is ann romney. when they see how strong she is, the fact she's a cancer survivor, ms survivor, great wife, strong supporter and her talk about him, i think he'll do a lot better. >> i've met ann romney. she's a wonderful woman. a lot of women out there are afraid if he's the next president of the united states, he will work to take away their rights to get contraception, birth control pills, abortion rights, that he's going to take all that away like a lot of the republicans on the right are suggesting. and they're scared. >> i think women are more thoughtful than that. i think they look at those issues as well as other issues and i think they need the ability to ask him those questions. i think he needs to look them in the eyes and give them the
answers. because that's what this is about. you don't go and talk to the people you already have support. you go and talk to the people who have questions. if there are women that are questioning him, they should ask him those questions. that is the power of people's voice to do that. >> if he's the next president hereby could name one, maybe two supreme court justices who may overturn row versus wade, which allows women to have abortions. >> and when it's president obama versus mitt romney, that's when the differences will start to come out. >> where do you stand on those issues, contraception, birth control? should the government help women have access to that kind of health care? >> i'm strongly pro-life. i say in the book my husband was adopted. we had difficulty having both our children. that is where my beliefs come from. in terms of contraception, i think all -- you're hearing a
lot of talk from the media about contraception. what i'm saying is women don't just vote on the could traception issue. they're smarter than that, broader than that. what we're saying is government should not mandate any organization or association to have to have contraception in their coverage. they should be able to have the right to choose that. that's what we're saying. it's not a matter of whether we believe in it or not. it's a matter of whether government should mandate an organization that doesn't want to have to cover it should cover it. >> i've highlighted some parts. >> we were the first indian family ever to live in banberg in a time and place that only knew black and white, we didn't filt either category. we weren't dark enough to be black or pale enough to be back.
we were brown. that was an inescapable fact. we went into survivor mode. we worked hard, we were respectful to our neighbors, we tried to fit in. >> you looked different because you come from sik family, he had a turban. >> my father had a turban, my mother wore a sari. we lived in a small southern town where they didn't understand us and we didn't know how to fit in with them. but what we saw, whether it's the story i talk about where we were disqualified from a pageant because they didn't know whether to put news the black category or the white category, whether it's the fact that my father and i went to a produce stand and immediately two police were called in and we had to deal with that situation. i mean, all of those stories while they are challenges, while they were hard, what i hope peop peop people understand is that same town took us in, allowed to us be a girl outand supported my
brother when he went to afghanistan and that town has a sign that says proud of nikki haley. >> you write about when you and your sister went to the beauty pageant. >> the pageant tradition had two winners, a black queen and a white queen. but before they revealed who the winners were, the organizers of the pageant said they had an announcement to make. they called us out of line and said we don't have a place for you. then they thanked us and handed us gifts. i got a beach ball. >> and explain why that beach ball was significant. i highlighted another line there. >> not wanting either race to get upset, the judges disqualified us. >> because you weren't black and you weren't white. what happened? >> they didn't want to upset either group. my mom went to them and said will you at least let her sing her song? she's been practicing. i sang "this land is your land,
this land is my land." >> and did you well. >> i stumbled a little. my father -- brother made me laugh. >> all of this must be etched in your mind. you remember all these moments. >> let me tell you that, it's amazing how things stick with you because my daughter just of in her school pageant a couple of weeks ago and i was terrified. and i told my husband, michael, i said i know this doesn't make sense but i'm so worried she's going to be disqualified. he said, nikki, you know that's not going to happen. it was such a sweet moment because she got first runner up. it reminded me how far we've come. >> and there was a kick ball game in third grade and you had this incident. >> i was stunned. she replied you can play with us but you have to pick a side. are you white or are you black? i was in a panic, which side can
i choose? what was i. i saw the answer, change the subject. i grabbed the ball and ran in the field. i'm neither, i'm brown. before i knew it, we were all playing kick ball. i dodged the issue but something told me it wasn't be the last time i had to. >> you spent most of your career dodging that issue in one way or another. >> until the governor's race. >> you're not going to disappoint the people of south carolina and become vice president? >> no, they took a great chance on me and i owe them the commitment to be a great governor. >> so you're in the governor's mansion for at least a first term? >> they elected a 38-year-old indian female for governor of their state. it shows how proud we are of south carolina. >> you told mitt romney doesn't vet me, don't talk to me, i'm not interested, is that right? >> no cabinet position, no vice president. >> no cabinet position.
>> no. i made a promise to the people of my state. i'm so thankful and i'm going to fin, what i started. >> there's a long time ahead of you. you're still young. >> we're taking it a day at a time. >> the book is entitled "can't is not an option." nikki haley, thank you for coming in. >> thank you. it was a pleasure. >> she's the most important weapon in mitt romney's surging presidential campaign. a closer look at the woman some say is the last person you'd want to cross, ann romney. and what's behind high-level meetings with the muslim brotherhood? nothing's better than gold. [ female announcer ] roc® retinol correxion deep wrinkle night cream.
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egypt's controversial muslim brotherhood launches a charm offensive here in washington in an effort to ease growing concerns about the country's uncertain and potentially ominous political future. briana keilar has the details. >> the white house is trying to thread the needle on how it deals with this controversial and important group that is now the predominant political faction in egypt. egypt is key to the stability in the middle east but following its revolution, it's in a very fragile state. the muslim brotherhood is on a goodwill tour in washington. abdel is a senior member of the delegation. >> the goal is to the building the bridge of understanding been the egyptian and american
democracy. >> it is a prominent islamic brotherhood in the middle east. it provides social services like schools but it also supports fundamentalist islamic teachings and has at times supported violence. here's how fbi director robert mueller described the brotherhood last year as egypt was in the throes of a revolution. >> i can say elements of the muslim brotherhood here and overseas have supported terrorism. to the extent i can provide more information, i would be happy to do so in closed session. >> representatives of the muslim brotherhood met with the deputy to secretary of state hillary clinton and white house officials including steve simon, a high-level national security adviser to president obama. amid concerns by some the brotherhood will turn egypt into a fundamentalist islamic state, the white house defended the outreach. >> we believe it is in our interest to engage with egypt,
in part in an effort to encourage egypt to maintain its commitment to its international obligations and to maintain its -- to maintain a positive role in the region. >> the brotherhood controls the new egyptian parliament and could win the presidency. and since egypt is a linchpin for peace in the middle east, the u.s. is keeping the lines of communication open. eric trager for the washington institute for near yves policy is skeptical the brotherhood will follow a moderate path but believes the talks are a must. >> we should talk to them pu have very little illusion about the fact that the brotherhood might actually change. >> the members of the brotherhood are not at the top of the organization. they're spokespeople, very fluent in english, familiar with american customs.
the white house is downplaying these talks, especially the level of the officials who met with the muslim brotherhood because, for instance, it isn't the head of the national security council but still, they are significant meetings. >> thanks for that. >> it looks almost like a movie preview except it's a threat targeting new york and the coming attraction is al qaeda. our mary snowe joins us with a chilling online post that's capturing the attention of the police and the fbi. >> joe, police came across this image on a web site it says it regularly monitors. the question is whether it's anything more than a graphic on a web site. at first glance it could be mistaken for a movie ad. al qaeda coming soon again in new york. the message is on a web site known to the new york city police department who say it's used by terrorists and jihadists. officials say they have no evidence that it's tied to any
specific threat to new york but the web site is being analyzed by the fbi and the nypd. >> is this significant at all? >> well, this is a major forum. it's been in existence for a while. we believe it's used for inspiration but also it can be used for operational messages. it exists in several different languages and it's been a concern of ours for a while. >> new york city police commissioner ray kelly says analysts believe it's connected to an egyptian national based on the language that's used. kelly says he was struck by the level of sophistication of the graphic and the expensive software used to create it. but whether there's a credible threat, cnn terrorism analyst peter bergen is skeptical. >> it's propaganda but is it associated with any real plot? that's not clear and my guess is there's nothing really to this. if there was a real attack about to happen on new york, my guess is al qaeda wouldn't advertise
it on a web site. >> this isn't the first time threatening messages have appeared on jihadist sites. federal authorities say any threat must be taken seriously. >> it's sort of in your face. we've seen that before. but, you know, it is -- it is sort of direct confrontation. you know, trying to get our attention. believe me, they have our attention. >> but the posting didn't seem to faze new yorkers who have become accustomed to terrorist threats. >> it's propaganda. they want people to get uptight. >> it is what it is. you have to live your life. you can't be worried. go about your every day business. >> joe, new york's police commissioner histosays these si are closely monitored. >> thanks for that report, mary. >> she's known as the great protector and the last person on earth you'd ever want to across. ahead, an up-close look at the
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they say behind every great man is a great woman. perhaps nowhere is this more true than the campaign trail. the countless days traveling, the hectic, ever-changing schedule. someone has to be the glou thue holds it all together. we report on mitt romney's most important weapon. >> reporter: in the romney household, ann romney has a host of titles -- trusted adviser, the mit stabilizer, mother, and grandmother. but she's also the great protector of all things romney. >> the last person on earth you'd want to cross would be ann romney. that if you go after one of her kids or after her husband, she's going to be there. >> reporter: ron scott has known mitt romney since 1985 and just wrote a book about him. he says ann is no pushover. >> she got into a tiff with one of her teenage boys. he was being a smart mouth, he was going back and forth with her.
finally shoot got in the car and slammed the door and said "see you later," and left him standing in the driveway. >> reporter: scott says ann even stood up to her mother who voiced concern years ago when ann and mit started having so many children. >> her mom said, gee, you're overpopulatinge ining the earthn said, mom, if you want to see your grandchildren on a regular basis, knock did off. >> reporter: he calls mit her most disobedient child. she shares secrets of his love of chocolate milk and his "obsession" with peanut butter. and of course, tales of romance. >> we're high school sweethearts, and we still are sweethearts which is awfully nice. we have five wonderful sons. we have 16 grandchildren. >> reporter: like mitt, ann grew up wealthy in michigan. she and mitt fell in love in high school, they met while 15 and married after converting to
mormonism in high school. their love affair has been part of the campaign rhetoric, dating back to this ad from mitt's 2002 senate run, simply titled "ann." >> our first real date -- >> the night of the senior prom -- >> mitt pulls up in some goofy looking car. >> an amc marlin -- >> he was embarrassed. >> it was awful. >> it was very romantic. >> reporter: mitt admits without ann, he's a bit lost. >> if i'm away from ann a week or so, i get off course. she has to moderate me down a bit. >> reporter: still ann may not be perfect. in 1994, during mitt's senate campaign, she told "the boston globe" money was so tight in college they considered selling stock from their portfolio. critics painted her as out of touch. >> everybody that read that gasped. >> reporter: ann's greatest challenge, though, had nothing to do with politics. in 1998 she learned she had multiple sclerosis. >> it was a devastating thing in my life. it was very tough.
i went from being a very active, involved and hands-on mom to hardly being able to take care of myself. >> reporter: to feel better she turned to holistic therapies and horseback riding. but her battle didn't end there. in 2008, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. whether it's cancer or the campaign trail, ann romney is a fighter. she's beaten two life threatening diseases but knows with the gop nomination up for grabs, there are many more battles ahead. cnn, new york. ahead, in jerusalem, a doorkeeper closes up church after a religious ceremony. just one of our "hot spots." and a plane crashes into a busy supermarket. we have the incredible images. everyone in america depends on the postal service.
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as the world's largest horticultural exhibition. hot shots -- picture from around the world. it's like a scene from a disaster movie. we have incredible image of what happened after a plane crashed into a grocery store. here's lisa sylvester. >> reporter: take a look at this aerial video. that hole you see is where the plane plunged squarely into the middle of the roof of a publix grocery store in florida. you can hear the panicked calls. >> oh, my gosh. >> publix, a plane crashed here. oh, my god. >> what's going on at the publix? >> publix. up at westgate plaza. my god. an airplane went into the publix. >> okay. and your in deland? >> up here in deland. i hear the sirens already. oh, my god. oh, my god. >> just relax. they're on the way. >> 911, where is your engine is. >> publix. it's on fire.
oh, god, i'm so -- >> it's okay. what's on fire? >> a person. >> a person's on -- >> the whole -- the building's on fire, too. >> okay. get everybody out -- >> we've got to go. >> reporter: lisa cordova was in the meat aisle when she says she heard and felt an explosion. >> you know, fell down and hit my shoulder and head. and jumped back up. and then this other guy came flying out. and his leg was all -- on fire and like skin melted off and stuff. he was just screaming for people to help him. and i was trying to help him but i had no idea what to do to help him. >> reporter: it was an experimental amateur plane that had just taken off from the deland airport. witnesses on the ground said they could tell the plane was in trouble. >> took off really good. and got up maybe 1,000 feet or something like that, and then i
heard the engine sputter. the pilot tried to make a turn. i guess he felt maybe there was a problem. and when he tried to turn the plane, the engine quit. and the plane just fell into the publix. >> reporter: two men were on board identified as thomas rhodes and tim presby, a lawyer. both are in critical condition with burns. three people in the store including lisa core dove arm injured, one of whom remains hospitalized. the national transportation safety board has been called in to investigate. >> the majority of the airplane was consumed by that fire. >> reporter: the plane crashed head-on into the store monday night at around 7:30. typically a busy time. >> it's truly a miracle that nobody was killed. >> reporter: the store had a surveillance camera. investigators tried to play the recording, but it looks like the tape was either damaged either in the fire or by water from the sprinkler system, so they're still trying to piece together what brought down that plane. lisa