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♪ i'm kyra phillips, it's 8:00out west. let's get straight to the news. his name is synonymous with evil. charles manson, the man behind the most notorious murder case will be up for parole. it's not clear if he'll attend the hearing. one person who will is deborah. she says she hopes manson will be there. >> i think that he needs to look into our eyes, victim's eyes and see the pain that he's caused. i think that is something that is essential to his coming to
peace, perhaps before he passes. as you said, this is probably going to be his last parole hearing. >> we are monitoring the hearing in california and will bring developments as they happen. in a couple hours, we are going to hear from trayvon martin's parents. they are expected to speak at a news conference. attorney general eric holder spoke about the investigation into the martin case moments ago. >> they will conduct a thorough and independent review of the evidence. >> in less than 72 hours, we could know more about the state's investigation. it's when angel corey will release new information about the case and decide whether or not george zimmerman will face charges for shooting trayvon martin. we'll go to florida in less than eight minutes. president obama pitching the buffett rule.
he said millionaires must step up and pay their fair share of tax. >> that means we can't afford to keep spending more money on tax cuts for wealthy americans who don't need them and weren't asking for them. it's time we did something about it. i want to emphasize, this is not simply an issue of redistributing wealth. it's what you will hear from those who object to a tax plan that is fair. >> the rule is named after billionaire investor, warren buffett who pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. nine miners trapped 600 feet underground for six days walked back into daylight today wearing sunglasses with blankets they are greeted by loved ones and peru's president. they have been getting food and
water through a giant tube. rescuers dug through the rubble. a tsunami watch lifted from the indian ocean after two massive earthquakes. the first had a magnitude of 8.6. a second occurred two hours later. frightened people fled the buildings and rushed to higher ground. so far, no reports of injuries or destruction. the peace plan to end the blood bath in syria appears to be falling apart. f kofi annan. the deadline approaches, the deadline on the ground is far from peaceful. there eegs no end to the bloodshed. syrian forces are continuing to pound on cities like homs. at least 22 people were reported killed today alone. in north korea, an expected rocket launch has the rest of
the world on edge. it has started fueling a long-range rocket that will be used to launch a satellite. the u.s. and south korea say it's a cover for a ballistic missile test. russia suspended food aid to the north because of the controversy. >> there's not much standing between romney and the party's nomination. romney will meet with workers at a connecticut business, then head to rhode island for a town hall later tonight. the obama campaign is giving him the front-runner treatment. all the conservative remarks, a video sure to irritate and energize a true-blue democrat. football coach bobby petrino fired for reckless behavior. he crashed his motorcycle while taking a ride with his 25-year-old mistress who also worked for the team. at first, petrino told officials he was alone during the crash.
an investigation revealed that wasn't the case. university athletic director says petrino's relationship was personal. >> reebok and nike called a truce over tim tebow. a court ordered them to order all unauthorized tebow products from the stores, buy back the t-shirts and jerseys. nike sued rebok saying they had the sole right since they are the licensee of the nfl. charges could come any moment. where is george zimmerman? the parents of trayvon martin is calling for justice. first, what a shame we won't see softball in the olympics because we have a gold medalist in the making right here. this is high school softball
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so, in just a couple hours, trayvon martin's parents are expected to speak at a news conference. that news conference among several key developments. all eyes are on this woman, angela corey. in less than 72 hours she will release new information about the case and decide whether or not george zimmerman will face charges for shooting trayvon martin. >> every criminal case has complications and details that have to be fully developed before decisions can be made. it's what we are expecting to do, develop all facts and circumstances. >> the facts and circumstances seem pressing right now after zimmerman's attorneys held this conference yesterday making the shocking announcement they were no longer representing zimmer n
zimmerman. marty, you know more about this announcement that corey is expected to make, right? >> reporter: well, here is what we know. i mean we have a clock ticking down 72 hours. you have to figure, if she says i need to make an announcement, it's going to be a decision. anything short of that is extremely disappointing and troubling. here is the thing, i know in conversations i had with the mayor, they were looking to get a heads up so they could plan, bring in extra law enforcement and be ready to respond to whatever the decision is. that's what she's done. 72 hours to the media and now to law enforcement, the city, to everyone. be ready. she's going to have an important announcement. we assume, a decision to charge or not. >> let's talk about the press conference where zimmerman's
attorney's talked. they talked about his mental state and where abouts. take a listen. >> george zimmerman from information made available to us is not doing well emotionally, possibly suffering from post-traumatic disorder. stop looking in florida. look much further away than that. >> what are you finding out, marty? what can you add to this? >> reporter: well, i have to tell you, after doing this job as long as i have, there are a few things i consider jaw dropping anymore. that was jaw dropping. first of all, we thought the announcement might be that they had worked out a deal where george zimmerman would turn himself in. instead, it was the attorney's saying they lost contact with zimmerman and they were resigning from his representation. all of us were taken aback. then the amount of information they were releasing, his state
of mind, where abouts not being in florida, on and on. we were really shocked. i reached out to a number of zimmerman's friends to get their reaction. some of them were surprised at the mental state. here is the quote taffy gave me, a friend of george zimmerman. he spoke to george the day before yesterday and he sounded clear, concise and elusive. the opposite of what the attorneys are describing. we have a disconnect. >> we are hearing from attorney general eric holder as well. what is he saying? >> reporter: keep in mind, there is a separate but parallel investigation under way. he said that is continuing. he couldn't talk too much about what's been uncovered because it's an ongoing investigation. they are looking for a civil rights crime that may have been committed in this particular case. if angela corey comes out with
her decision, it doesn't mean the federal investigation ends. there are representatives from the department of justice. they are here to try to ease the relationship in the community, simmer down the tensions on the local and federal level. it's what he's referring to. no indication on where their investigation is going. >> martin, thank you so much. i want to talk about the stunning development martin just talked about. let's bring in paul. stunning development is what martin told us about george zimmerman and the fact the attorneys made this announcement, they are not representing him anymore. mixed feelings or mixed reaction to his actual state of mind. what is your reaction to what we have heard today, paul? >> you know, i share martin's observations that this is jaw dropping. first of all, i'm not sure they
are his attorney. they said they have never had one-on-one contact with him, it's only been telephone. theoretically, you can establish a attorney-client relationship over the telephone, it's very, very rare. you have a suspect in the most highly publicized murder case in the country, i would think you want to meet with your client before you hold a press conference saying he's suffering from mental problems. i'm stunned by it. i think it's -- i think a lot of lawyers would say it's not proper conduct by them to make any public statements. >> where would they get that information? it's possible they haven't talked to him and they are getting that from somebody else? >> well, kyra, there were news reports that they never had a personal meeting with george zimmerman and in fact, their only contact was by the
telephone. we don't know where they are coming up with the post-traumatic stress diagnosis. is it from talking to friends or talking to him on the phone? i don't know. i haven't heard a doctor is involved in the case. if i were defending someone, i wouldn't want to portray him as unstable. i would portray him as somebody acting reasonably in self-defense. this presentation makes him look unstable, like he had mental problems. it will hurt him in a criminal prosecution. i'm very surprised. >> if you were advising zimmerman, if you had him on the phone, what would you tell him and what would be the next step for him? >> zimmerman is making an enormous mistake not sitting down with an attorney he has trust in to map out the strategy. there are a lot of people in this country that support him.
he's probably raising money on the website he opened up. he needs legal representation and a strategy going forward. there are a lot of forces mounting that look like will result in his indictment. he needs to consult with counsel he trusts. >> let's listen to what angela corey told wjxt. she talks about probable cause. >> if you make an arrest on probable cause and can't prove the case, it's a short window of time the perpetrator will serve in jail. we always try to work with the police to build stronger cases before we make the arrest. >> what is she getting at here, paul? >> what she's getting at is something prosecutors everywhere know. when the police go out, look at a crime, they can arrest on a fairly low standard, probable cause. there's more reason to believe
you committed a crime, that you did not commit a crime. low standard. when the case is presented to a jury, it's beyond a reasonable doubt. it's a heavy standard. what she's saying is i want to build my reasonable doubt case here if i'm going to proceed with the case. she's hinting that she's looking at building a case, a stronger case than a mere probable cause case. >> got it. paul, thanks so much. >> nice being with you, kyra. >> likewise. >> he landed on the most wanted list. a child pornographer who can blend in anywhere. we'll talk live with the fbi, next. what we achieved here. what we learned here. and what we pioneered here. all goes here.
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he's tall, lanky, nice looking and a third grade teacher filling the spot formerly held by osama bin laden on the fbis most wanted list. eric justin toth is a former private schoolteacher and camp counselor accused of possessing and producing child porn. he's been on the run since 2008 when the images were found on a school camera in his possession. then he vanished. he's 30 years old. he's a computer and social engineering expert. he may be advertising as a tutor or male nanny. he's visited all the states shown there on the map. joining us now, kevin, the assistant director of the criminal division. tell us what you can ant toth. >> thanks for having us today.
it's very important we utilize the public's ability to talk about toth. he's a danger to society. the allegations made against him are serious. they are the type of charges that could get him into a lot of trouble with our youth. toth is an individual that can blend in, as you mentioned. he's been a camp counselor. he's been a schoolteacher. he's the type of person that will blend into society. that's why it's important that the public take a close look at the photograph and try to see if they recognize this guy. >> describe how he operates. how does he get alone time with these kids? what is his m.o.? >> his m.o., he's, you know, you don't feel defensive around him. he's an average guy. he's a schoolteacher. he's friendly. he's good at social engineering. he develops and works on
relationships with the children and the parents. he puts himself at a position of trust with the parents that allows alone time with the children. >> all right. besides his mug shot, i'll get to his physical description and the fact he might be changing his look and name. here is what i was looking for. the most wanted with all the different looks he's had. folks get a chance to look at this and his various pictures. what is your best guess on where he is and what he's doing now? >> toth could be anywhere as far as location goes. obviously, we know he's been in arizona and traveled throughout the midwest. he grew up in indiana. i think he has ties to that area. he could be anywhere in the u.s. more importantly, it's what he's doing. it's more likely the public is going to run into him in his professional role whether as a schoolteacher, male nanny,
someone counseling children. >> how bad have these alleged crimes been? you know, why do you want him so badly? he's number one on your list now. >> he's a member of the list. we don't rank one over another. but, that being said, what he has done and what he's alleged to have done, the charges brought against him involving child pornography is a very heinous act. it's a violent crime. it's photographs of children in compromising situations that just violent in nature. >> fbis kevin perkins appreciate it so much. >> thanks. appreciate it. a second chance at life. a woman falls 70 feet of a cliff. we'll tell you about the comeback, next. i look at her, and i just want to give her everything.
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well, if you have seen a performance, you know it's an equestrian thing. for riders, it's it's a dream job. a freak accident happened. dr. sanjay gupta shares her story. >> her high flying career came close to not happening after a freak accident left her almost unable to walk. they were diving 70 feet of a cliff in virginia. >> i fell down the rocks and just fell and fell and hit and hit and hit all the way down until i fell into the water. >> she lost consciousness and began to drown. her friends rescued her from the water. her bones were broken in 46 places and she had to undergo
eight operations in six months. >> because of the spearty of how bad my left leg was, they said you probably will not walk again. if you do, it will be with a severe limp. this one is hard on my ankle. >> she knew to overcome her injuries, she had to work hard at rehab, be patient and stay positive. >> there are mornings i wake up, limp to the bathroom and my leg hurts. when it rains, it's terrible. it's a reminder, hey, remember where you were. get up, get going and live this life that you had a second chance at. >> despite the pain, she didn't give up and got back on her feet. working toward her dream of performing, she turned her love of horses into a career. landing her a job performing tricks like this.
>> the horse is running full speed, you thrust up, legs straight, ankles are holding you in and you smile. >> dr. sanjay gupta, cnn reporting. well, you know him as this man. a progolfer, wearing a green jacket. did you also know he sings in overalls? oh, yeah. bubba's got a side you may not know about. he's joining me next. just stay off the freeways, all right? i don't want you going out on those yet. mmm-hmm. and just leave your phone in your purse. i don't want you texting, all right? daddy...ok! ok, here you go. be careful. thanks dad. call me -- but not while you're driving. ♪ [ dad ] we knew this day was coming. that's why we bought a subaru. ♪
joined the band golfers to geeks. he looks good in those overalls. he dumped the dukes of hazard daisy and grabbed this instead. he definitely has character. if you didn't know bubba, it's not his only nickname. others know him as whacky watson. how did you get the nickname whacky watson? >> i haven't heard that one, yet. i guess you just made it up. i don't know. you know, i just, i am whacky. i am goofy and happen to be a golfer as well. it might stick. >> i'm going to go back and forth between serious and fun. i know folks who truly love the game want to get inside your head. let's go to the 18th hole. you broke down hugging your
caddy. i got chills. then mom came up there and you hugged your mom and had this embrace. you said you have been trying to balance golf and family. at this moment, what caused your heart to overflow? >> the hard work. the hard work for the 25 years, the 26 years i've been practicing. the hard work my mom and dad put into it. my late dad passed away a year and a half ago. my mom got a paper route when i was in high school to pay for me to play golf so i could travel across the world, across the country to play golf. all that. then half the golf boys, the other half were there to support me. they were on the green when i finished. i hugged them. just for, you know, all the stuff that went on, right after i tapped in, for all my sponsors who took a chance on me, for all my fans, for all my friends, all
the people that supported me throughout the years, it all came, making that six-inch put. it meant a lot. hopefully they know it's for them as well. >> after you won, you tweeted glory to god. how did you become a born again christian? >> oh, that's a good one. 2000 -- about 2000, my next door neighbor, this girl, my next door neighbor said you want to go to church with me. i said sure. i never went to church growing up. i'm 19 years old going to junior college. i went to church for the first time. i went with her a few times, listened and thought about it, i gave myself to the lord. i wanted to be a christian. 2004, when i got married, i got away from it when it went to university of georgia.
2004, we got married and got baptized together. i kind of went away from it again. i grew more into it. my caddy yelled at me. i have been getting stronger in my faith and reading the bible more. getting a new son, my wife and son being away from me at the masters, reading the bible. i didn't have my tv on all week. i sat and thought about everything going on in my life. a whirlwind when i won. it's funny how it's god's plan. god's plan is always better than our plan. i had chances to win earlier in the year and didn't. it's funny how he gave us a baby and this overwhelming stuff and somehow i won and i'm talking to you about it. >> what a beautiful thing. you talk about your trust in god. you also have a lot of trust in yourself. you see that on the golf course the way you make your decisions. you have self-confidence with your skills and more so, you
have enough confidence to play with a pink driver. i love that. i remember the first time you stepped up to the tee. of course, it's for a good cause. you lost your dad to cancer. he was a remarkable man in your life. did you feel his spirit at the masters and what are you going to teach your little boy, caleb, that your dad taught you? >> there's a lot of stuff. he didn't teach me much because he wasn't that smart. the stuff he taught me was good. never to lie. he said the only thing you have in this life is your word. if they can't trust your word, you are nothing. he taught me integrity, everything about the game of golf. he taught me how to be a great dad, a great husband. taught me key things. golf was fourth on my list. for me, looking back at this, my dad taught me everything i know.
when he passed away, it was sad. i know he's going to heaven. it was a sad moment in our family's life, but i have to keep living. it's the one thing that slows us down we forget to keep living. he would want me to keep living and do the things i dream about. he was with me when me and my mom hugged. my mom was thinking about him. for me to be a new dad and have caleb in my life, it's great. seeing the highlights, i talk about him all the time. seeing the photos we have taken of him. knowing his dad is in new york doing all this media stuff, traveling around doing media stuff but all about celebration of him. it's all about celebration of him and talking about him and knowing he can see the highlights. it's going to be a fun time. also, let him enjoy the game of golf and enjoy sports. if he doesn't like sports, we'll
we had to bring bubba watson back. he's too good of an interview. if you weren't a progolfer, what would you be? >> i'd take over your job. >> you know what, i would love to switch positions with you, my friend. i would love to co-anchor with you and love to golf with you. you said you never dreamed of winning the masters. what did you dream about?
>> well, i mean i dreamed of winning the masters, i don't dream about the other stuff, the five year exemption tour, getting to play the masters every year. you never complete your dream and you are going to cry your eyes out. you don't think about hugging your mom, missing your dad, seeing the friends smiling and tearing up. you don't think about that. you don't think about the fans cheering for you. i mean there was thousands and thousands of people yelling go dogs. there was so many things going on you don't think about. it's overwhelming. that's what makes me tear up. people are pulling for bubba watson from florida. i now have the green jacket on. if you don't mind, i'm going to ask this question in a different way. you have been asked a million times. as a golfer and as a woman i
have to ask you, if women could become members of augusta, what kind of message would it send to golfers like me and to women that you respect and love like your mom and wife? >> well, the first message would be women progolfers will never be members since men progolfers can never be members. it would send a message. again, who would be the first? i don't want to make that decision. who would be the first woman to be the member? that's going to be a special lady. i always said someone like nancy lopez who has done so much for the game of golf. you can go with the greats, the hall of famers not playing anymore that are still here. you know, there's so many different ways you can go. somebody that's really influenced the game of golf would be the route i would go. hopefully, it does happen. it's one of those things they
have the right to do what they're doing. i think it would change the game of golf. >> you are elevating the game on so many levels. bubba, as we let you go, we lift you up, we lift your dad up and we lift up baby caleb. congratulations on all the blessings you have in your life. you deserve it. >> thank you so much. thanks for having me. rick santorum is out. is it time for newt gingrich to call it quits? [ male announcer ] fighting pepperoni heartburn and pepperoni breath? fight both fast with new tums freshers! concentrated relief that goes to work in seconds and freshens breath. new tums freshers. ♪ tum...tum...tum...tum... tums! ♪ [ male announcer ] fast relief, fresh breath, all in a pocket sized pack.
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rick santorum is out. romney has work to do. robert zimmerman and anna is here to talk fair game. guys can romney win -- hello, good to see you. can romney win? take a listen. >> people are not going to go over and vote for barack obama, the ideals that we embrace, but there's not going to be the type of enthusiasm. unfortunately, i think this election is going to come down to the intensity factor.
who can most energize and enthuse their base. >> anna, what do you think? can romney energize the conservatives? >> i think so. he's going to win them over. his numbers have gotten better as the process went along. yes, there are some republicans, including me who have been unenthusiastic about romney. we are very enthusiastic about beating barack obama. as of today, romney is the nominee. he's the vehicle. we have to channel our enthusiasm. we have two choices, either we don't help romney and help barack obama or we help romney and try to defeat barack obama. >> that's the problem. >> for most of us, the second choice is going to be clear. romney is going to be the nominee. what he needs to do though, is lead. he needs to go big. he can't pander. he needs to lead and we will follow. >> that's his problem.
the fact he had to pander to tony perkins and the council that specializes in trades and the gay community and using the public to exploit prejudice speaks to his failure as a republican nominee. romney, who is now going to be the nominee only has 41% of the vote of all republican voters in primaries and caucuses. so, the problem is -- >> yes. life is about choices and alternatives. on the other side is barack obama. so, you know, mitt romney looks better and better and better every day as we compare him to barack obama. >> let me ask you guys about santorum. i was talking to james dobson last night. he called me an extremist? why? take a listen. >> they were all pro-life. they were all for for tro digad marriage. if you go down the list of sort
of the life, marriage, social conservative issues, they were pretty much -- we were all pretty much in line. yet i was considered the extremist, which i found -- >> is it fair to call him an extremist, robert? >> you know something? he makes an important point and it speaks to the strength of the santorum candidacy where he was able to take a liberal governor from massachusetts and drive him so far to the right wing that, in fact, mitt romney had to be even more conservative than rick santorum. not just being against a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, but mitt romney had to condemn contraception in many forms in addition to which romney had to endorse the ryan plan which ends medicare for future retirees, advocate deportation of undocumented workers. these are such extreme workers he had to take to appeal to the santorum wing of the party. the difference is santorum is authentic and mitt romney's biggest challenge is inyou inauthentici
inauthenticity. >> potential romney running mates. senator marco rubio, rob portman, representative paul ryan, governor bob mcdonald? will it be one of these or do you have a wildcard? >> well, you know, i think those are four great choices. we actually have a deep stable of greatv p candidates and potential candidates. i have got my favorites among those four. i'd love to see the senator from florida be the first latino on a national ticket. i think rob portman is a fabulous solid choice who would probably have a great deal of chemistry with mitt romney and who comes from the important swing state of ohio. paul ryan to me, i have to tell you he looks too much like a romney son. i think it would be hard to tell them apart and people which think he's the sixth romney son. >> there's really two rules when you choose a vice presidential candidate. rule number one is the candidate can do no harm. rule number two is to remember nobody votes for vice president. in the past 16 president dwral
elections, the vice presidential candidate lost his or her home state ten times. even when it comes to voting in their home state, people are still voting for president first. i think rob portman out of that field really fits the bill best. you know, the problem is mitt romney still has to try to build support in his own party. when you're the nominee, you should be challenging -- talking to the country and challenging your own party to follow you. >> guys -- >> bill clinton did that very effectively. >> robert and ana, thanks so much, you nis. a chilling story of a man who says he might be charles manson's son. but first, there was the runaway bride, now the bogus bride. just listen to what this woman in white is accused of doing. what lengths she allegedly went to to pull off her dream wedding and honeymoon. according to the times herald record, jessica vega told people she was dying of leukemia. her husband said she wanted to get married before she died, so
thousands of dollars, gifts, free services, all poured in, from the dress to the wedding photos, even their honeymoon donated. now fast forward two years. it appears that jessica's heartbreaking story may have been a big con. the cancer fake. so vega just was charged with fraud and grand larceny. you know, lying about dying of cancer shows such a complete lack of respect and understanding for what cancer patients, survivors, and all their families really do go through. jessica, i hope you're looking deep inside yourself and re-evaluating what you did. meantime, your 15 minutes are up. [ male announcer ] if your kid can recognize your sneeze from a crowd... you're probably muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. love the air.
the 12th and probably last parole hearing for charles manson getting under way this hour. manson's very name conjures up so many horrifying images, but we found one man who believes he can call charles manson by a much different name. dad. >> i live in uncertainty and chaos. >> reporter: matthew roberts is a haunted man. is he the son, the spawn, of charles manson? >> it's like holy hell it certainly seems like it's possible. >> robert was adopted as an infant and had a normal childhood in rockford, illinois.
in 1998 at age 30 he sought out his birth mother, a recluse, living in wisconsin who told him he was conceived in 1967 in san francisco where she met manson at a drug-fueled orgy. >> reporter: one account i read, there were four men present. >> that's what i understand. there was a 1 in 4 chance. >> reporter: robert says he wasn't convinced his birth mother knew manson until he began exchanging letters with prisoner b 33920. in those letters manson quoted things only his birth mother would know, stories about her early life. so sure he's manson's son he's twice tried to get a dna match. manson's dna sample contaminated. >> unless i see somebody scrape a piece of skin off his ass and bring it to the lab, i want to know that i know. >> reporter: what is unmistakable is not just that roberts looks like manson.
here are two photos, both in their 30s. a striking resemblance. the eyes, noise, mouth, and forehead, but it is the way roberts speaks and what he says that sounds eerily familiar. >> every time you send somebody after me they can't find me. i. >> i know what goes on in my head. you can only guess. >> reporter: even more eerie, the similarities between the two men run deep. roberts is a militant vegetarian, pacifist, and considers himself an environmentalist. claims has made by manson. he moved to l.a. in 1986 and wanted to be famous, a rock star. ♪ so welcome to the world >> reporter: roberts band new rising son is pure rock and roll. manson's music more folksy and at times downright weird. ♪ >> reporter: today roberts pays the bills working at the blue
zebra cabaret in l.a.'s san fernando's valley. >> it's ruined my career. it has got me nothing but grief. >> reporter: roberts just wants to know the truth before the now 77-year-old manson dies. >> if he is my father, then it would be nice to have laid eyes on him and been in person -- person to person with him once in my lifetime. >> reporter: for now matthew roberts lives with a hope and a fear of knowing who his father is. miguel marquez, cnn, los angeles. thanks for watching. you can continue the conversation with me on twitter at kyra cnn or on facebook. cnn "newsroom" continues now with suzanne malveaux.
live from cnn headquarters in atlanta, where it's 12 noon, 9:00 a.m. on the west coast. i'm suzanne malveaux. want to get you up to speed for this wednesday, april 11th. tsunami, no. marg emergency, yes. a massive earthquake shook the earth today. aftershocks several hours after the initial quake. officials sent out a tsunami warning for the entire indian ocean. so far no reports of serious damage or injuries. chad myers from the severe weather center, we're going to talk to him in just a couple minutes. syrians under siege endure another day of brutal violence as the deadline for tomorrow's cease fire looms. the plan drafted by u.n. kofi annan calls for both the syrian government and the opposition to
put down their weapons. annan says he has received, quote, assurances from forces loyal to syrian president assad that they're going to respect the cease-fire, but the government has ignored a deadline for a troop pullback. the north koreans say they are close to launching a long-range rocket. why they're doing it depends on who you believe. north korean officials say they are sending up a satellite. u.s. and south korea see the launch as a cover for testing a weapon. japan promises to shoot down anything that comes into japanese air space. the north koreans say they are fueling the rocket now and will launch it sometime between now and monday. new developments in the trayvon martin case. the boy's parents are holding a news conference. that's going to happen in the next hour. plus, special prosecutor angela corey is promising to release new information within three days. all of this is happening amid new concerns about the whereabouts of george zimmerman. is the man who says he shot the
unarmed 17-year-old in self-defense. now even his lawyers have lost contact with him and have quit the case. it has been almost a year since u.s. special forces killed the most wanted man in the world. now we have new details about the mission that took out osama bin laden. coming out in the know from those who know firsthand. today we have got a fresh account of those tense, agonizing moments during that raid. it comes from secretary of state hillary clinton at a news conference at the u.s. naval academy. she talked about these extraordinary moments, huddling in the white house situation room as this mission unfolded. >> when we gathered that sunday, it was a pretty intense, tense, stressful time because the people who were actually doing it on the ground were thousands of miles away. we did have good communications,
so in the white house there's a large situation room in the whole protected sort of secret area in the basement, and there are smaller rooms. so we were in one of the smaller rooms when the attack began, and we were able to have some communication, so we were in realtime aware of what was happening. and i'm not sure anybody breathed for, you know, 35 or 37 minutes. and for me the worst part was when one of the helicopters, if you remember looking at drawings of what the compound looked like, there was a yard, and there was a wall, and as the helicopter went in, the tail got stuck, and it was not flyable. that had been planned for, but
it was still somewhat, you know, worrisome, that this had occurred. >> i want to bring 234 one of the few people who knows what it's like to be in "the situation room." fran townsend was the homeland security adviser under president george w. bush. she's joining us via skype from new york. fran, it was extraordinary to actually see secretary clinton come out and talk about what that was like. a raid, a mission, waiting in realtime to find out what the outcome was. how common is that when you see something like that play out, that you're actually there and able to determine what's happening on the ground? >> well, that's new. welcome to technology. the ability to actually track a mission in real time inside the west wing of the white house in "the situation room" is new.
we often would have -- obviously the tension associated and the risk is much higher, but we would have counterterrorism operations where we were working with partners around the world and i and others from the interagency would be collating and assembling information, but it was nowhere near realtime. we would very carefully watch the searches and what was coming out of the searches, the arrests and what we were learning from individuals who had been taken into custody, but it wasn't like that. that would happen over a period of several hours or an hour. i would collate that information and take it to the president. but this is really extraordinary where she describes their ability to have realtime communications, at least -- and she makes the distinction. she says once they go into the house, they're not realtime. they're waiting then for feedback to come back out about what's happened, and they learn that the s.e.a.l.s believe they have killed bin laden. she talks about the tension of waiting for that to be confirmed. >> and what do you think, what
does her account tell us about the difficulty, the complexity of that mission, to actually capture and kill bin laden? >> look, she makes the point that -- although they had planned for all these contingencies, there were real risks associated with it. if this mission -- i think few americans really appreciate, the s.e.a.l.s have done thousands of these kinds of missions before, they executed the bin laden raid, there are always the possibility that the s.e.a.l.s going in to execute that mission will not come back. and the notion of the cabinet and the president sitting there realtime with that being a possibility really tells us a lot about the risks and the tension, the stress involved on the decision makers who were going to have to contend in realtime if it had gone badly. i think it's a real testament that she shared that information at annapolis. >> and what -- typically how many people are a part of that inner circle? we see those pictures inside the
situation room, but who has access to those moments? >> it is but a handful of people. i think she tries to make that point. it's the secretary of state and the secretary of defense. while leon panetta the corrector of cia was not in the room, he was watching his operation from his command center at langley. you will have the cia, dni, homeland security secretary if she's got a role to play. it's only those whose direct authorities are really implicated on the director of the ntcs, the national count counterterrorism center was in the room. >> fran, was it possible during these delicate missions that that could have been compromised that someone could have eavesdropped on that transition? >> anything is possible but they use encrypted, coded communications so i think it's unlikely. the one thing she did say which
i found fascinating was when she became secretary of state, her first meeting she confronted the pakistanis that someone in the pakistani government had to have known where bin laden was, and when they get the lead information that leads to this raid that does place him inside pakistan, in her remarks she never comes back to that. but it's clear she shared the sentiment that someone in the pakistan government had to have been aware of this. i think that's pretty telling. >> all right. fran townsend, thank you so much. i mean, it's just a fascinating story. new details coming out by secretary clinton today and obviously fran taking us through some of those details and what this means. it is a new time, a new era in technology and communications, and realtime going after the terrorists, the bad guys. thank you, fran. >> thanks. here is a rundown of some of the stories we're covering. a massive quake hits off the coast of indonesia. also hope fading for peace in syria. ssh
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9.1 in 2004. five times less energy put out with this earthquake. but let me show you why -- with an 8.6 there would have been a significant tsunami. it didn't happen because it wasn't a thrusting fault. two 4 x 4s. i just painted this one. two plates that slipped called a strike slip. you don't get what we had in 2004 where this plate went up, a mega thrust. it went up meters, like maybe tens of meters in some spots. that pushed up all the water. this is kind of basic geometry. the matter made a bubble, the bubble had to go out and that bubble -- >> how was it different than 2004? >> because you don't have any dirt or land or sea floor going up like we did, the only have it going sideways there wasn't the displacement of the land. the sea floor did not rise
significantly and, therefore, the bubble did not get generated. >> is it a part of the world that is particularly vulnerable to this type of thing happening? >> oh, sure. this is ring of fire and ring of fire for a reason. it was big. and there are earthquakes all around this region. all the way around, all the way around. back here around the other side as well and that's part of america over there where we have the earthquakes and all the way down even to south america down to peru. the 8.6 today a little further from the coast than the one we had 12 years ago almost now. banda aceh, 3.5 foot wave. the thing is the shaking didn't occur so much. this is the shake map. in 2004 it was violent shaking. today only moderate shaking. it was significantly farther away. it was a little bit less deep but the problem was one piece of land in 2004 went significantly up making the bubble. today the land just shifted in
two different directions with nothing getting higher. >> michael, tell me about that time, 2004, because that was an incredible story and so many people lost their lives in indonesia. >> in 14 different countries actually. indonesia was the worst hit though. it had nearly three-quarters of the deaths, but you're talking about 240,000 people killed. 240,000. think of that. i remember this so clearly. as chad was saying, 9.1. now, aceh was the most badly affected, and this is phuket, which is a tourist area, of course, in thailand. it was the biggest earthquake to happen in the indian ocean area in that part of the ocean in 700 years. >> what has changed since then? >> a lot has changed. you've got -- the biggest change let's talk about is the early warning system that's now being put in. when this happened in 2004, the
first people knew about it was when the waters went out and that precipitated the wave coming in. millions and millions and millions of dollars have been spent putting in new infrastructure in aceh, new roads, new buildings. indonesia, unlike some of the other countries, opened up the doors to international aid, and that has really helped. the place has not just been rebuilt. people seem happier there now than they were before. one of the reasons for that is that there had been a 30-year civil war going on there. and this basically when this all happened in aceh, everyone just lost the will to fight. eight months later they did a peace deal. there's now peace there. aceh has really come back. there's tourism. the locals there who lived a basic life, have some wi-fi now. it's a real success story in aceh and indonesia, but the biggest change is the early warning system that's in now. i'm sure chad has been talking about that as well during the day where they now know before
it comes, and they don't just see the water go out and that's the first sign. >> how important is that? this seems to be a community and country of people who are much more prepared for the worst. >> these are called dart buoys. you can look them up. they can tell whether the ocean has gone up one inch or not. it's by the pressure of the ocean below the sensor at the ocean floor. they know how heavy the water should be. if that ocean goes up one inch, they know it's heavier than it should be. it goes up a foot, a big wave was generated. that gets taken onshore and becomes a giant tsunami. >> they're very cool, too. you have got sensors on the ground, and they will send the information on the ground shift to the buoys which are on the ocean, floating on the ocean, which send it to a satellite which sends it down to stations in the u.s. and elsewhere. there's a whole system of text messages even can be sent out. it's tragic though it wasn't
there before because these things have been around for a while. it took this for that to happen in that part of the coastline. there's plenty of others on our oceans. >> it's good people have that kind of information, despite the fact that it might be a false alarm. they might get nervous and afraid. it might not be the kind of thing that is a disaster, but at least they know. at least they can go ahead and get prepared. >> it's not like a tornado warning. not every tornado warning is going to create a tornado, but at least if you're prepared and you're in your house, you can be safer than you would have been. it's getting the information to the people. >> chad, michael, thank you. good to have you both. >> thank you. peace in syria starting to look like a pipe dream. secretary clinton says the situation there is now deteriorating. we're going to get a live report about what it means for people living in what is quickly becoming a war zone. they've been committed to putting clients first.
bricks and twisted metal littered the streets while smoke was rising. these are just some of the scenes of destruction in syria. secretary of state hillary clinton is putting blame on the syrian government for the bloody crackdown that shows no signs of ending. >> despite assad's commitment to abide by the six-point plan that kofi annan presented, he has failed to do so and, in fact, the violence is even increasing. >> nic robertson is in london. nic, good to see you. secretary clinton saying the assad regime has ignored this tuesday deadline to pull back. now you have got this cease fire planned set for tomorrow. is there any reason to believe that the syrian government is
actually going to abide by that and cooperate? >> reporter: you know, it's hard to take the syrians at their word. apparently they gave their word to kofi annan lastz we week. that hasn't happened. in that period since kofi annan started work on this peace plan, 1,000 people have been killed. late this afternoon in geneva, which is where kofi annan is now, his spokesman said he received guarantees from the syrian foreign minister saying that the syrians will go on a cease-fire at 6:00 a.m. thursday morning local time in syria, and the syrian military has been on television in syria saying that they now control all the territory in the country, that they have completed their operation, and they will go on this cease fire but retain the right to strike back at what they call terrorists if those terrorists, as they say, attack the civilian population. so it is beginning to look like there is a potential here for the cease-fire to begin tomorrow
morning. but the reality is 1,000 people killed. if assad was serious up until now, that wouldn't have happened, suzanne. >> and, nic, we also heard from secretary clinton warning about a potential civil war. are you seeing signs there that that is already starting to happen? >> reporter: so the many people have been killed, 9,000 by u.n. estimates so far in the past year. if just a tiny fraction of that number were killed, that would have created a huge amount of anger. what the syrian government, bashar al assad has done, has generated a huge amount of anger against him and the regime. it's hard to see how people are going to bottle all that up, agree to a cease-fire, and move ahead on his terms because that is what he wants to do is move ahead on his terms, stay in power until 2014, and that -- what that effectively means is the conditions are set for the potential for a civil war here. >> nic, neither side trusts each other, but they're both being required to put down their
weapons. which side is more likely to abide by this agreement here? i mean, they're both turning to the other and saying, you know, i'm not going to put mine down until you put yours down. >> reporter: this is always the situation. we've even had the syrian government demanding that the free syrian army turn over their weapons. that never happens in a cease-fire, particularly in this type of insurgency. you will never get the other side to hand over their weapons. it seems that certainly the heavy forces are on the side of bashar al assad. the government, his heavy weapons still remain in many of the cities. videos coming out of syria show tanks not withdrawing from those cities. the tanks hiding behind sand berms. it seems inevitable there will be a breakdown in any cease fire that may happen. what will trigger it? the government trying to portray the oppositions a terrorists as they have continued to try to
do. whatever happens at 6:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, it seems unlikely that the last bullet will be fired in the minutes before, that there will be more to come, suzanne. >> nic, we'll be watching. thank you very much. it is game on now for the general election, but does mitt romney really have the republicans behind him? the threats continue from his republican rivals and the party base. are they going to rally to support him? we'll ask our political round table. all right, let's decide what to do about medicare and social security... security. that's what matters to me... me? i've been paying in all these years... years washington's been talking at us, but they never really listen... listen...it's not just some line item on a budget; it's what i'll have to live on... i live on branson street, and i have something to say... [ male announcer ] aarp is bringing the conversation on medicare and social security out
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rick santorum's exit from the presidential race gives romney a clear path to winning the republican nomination, but can he win over the social conservatives? joining us to talk about the race moving forward, democratic strategist rodriguez and lenny mccalster. social conservative groups not exactly lining up to support romney. listen to tony perkins of the family research council. >> if mitt romney wants to capture some of that support that rick santorum gained with very little money based solely upon his message, then mitt romney needs to pick up that message. not just when he's asked in debates or cornered by a reporter to say, yes, i'm pro-life or yes, i support marriage. >> how does he do it? how does he manage to get the santorum supporters and the social conservatives? >> it's very simple. remind them that he's running against president barack obama
and he is the only person that can beat him in november. he's going to be the nominee. he doesn't need to be as much as social conservatives want him to do now that it looks as though he's definitely going to be the nominee. with santorum backing out, there is no anti-romney. there is only romney. they are going to coalesce around him. they may do it in a lukewarm fashion, but they will do it. they're definitely going to do it after one presidential term from president obama. he will speak to them and do some kind of olive branching out to them, but for the most part he's going to stick to the economy. he's going to make sure he has that base coming around when he needs them. he's not going to do that much but he will have their support going into the fall. >> it's not likely that president obama is going to be able to capture those social conservatives, but clearly here it does look like he has some sort of advantage he can capitalize off of the fact that the republicans aren't all lock step behind mitt romney. what does the president need to do? >> well, you know, i have to just quickly say i think lenny
is 100% right. romney not only doesn't have to do as much to attract the conservative voters, it's temperature becausimply because he's it and the challenge he's going to have is avoiding having to confront his moderate record of governor of massachusetts, the fact he's been more moderate than most conservatives want. that's the big fight he's had throughout the primaries. i'm sure when santorum announced yesterday he was moving on and dropping out, there was a huge sigh of devastation from the true conservatives out there who are now left to confront the fact that this is it. you either get behind him and go out and vote or you sit it out. >> there is this enthusiasm gap here that they are going to have to deal with, and lenny, talk about that a little bit because how is he going to drum up that type of support here?
it really is going to come down to who comes out and votes. it looks like the president is starting to kind of rile up his base and get people excited again. >> the president is riling up his base. this war on women, the strategy with that, contraception issue. that has gotten the progressive base engaged in president obama, but one thing that mitt romney does have to his side is time. it's still early april. if he can crescendo this up and start building a head of steam in august, get a good vice presidential candidate that he's going to put into that slot that will keep that base going and invigorated and then do well in the debates. he wants to have momentum going in the right direction. he was able to get that coming out of michigan barely winning. able to do well on super tuesday. now seeing rick santorum leave before pennsylvania. if he can continue momentum going from april to now, he has six months. if he takes a methodical approach, kind of like what he's done with this primary process, not get caught up in the infatuation with herman cain and
rick perry and michele bachmann and even rick santorum and newt gingrich. he was methodical, if he can stay that way, he'll be okay. >> let's talk about what builds on the momentum here and that's clearly the money. mitt romney actually planned to spend more than $2 million on ads in pennsylvania before santorum dropped out. we have president obama who it was just yesterday three fund-raisers raking in $1.75 million there, and that's not even to mention the super pac money. estuardo, talk about whether we think this is going to turn into a negative and thanks yi campai -- nasty campaign because you have those kind of dollars out there. >> exactly. we saw mitt romney outspending his primary opponents five to one and with the efficiency that he was able to destroy any momentum that santorum or newt gingrich had at any point throughout those primaries. we're going to see that doubled, if not tripled, because not only do we have to look at the romney
affiliated super pac, but karl rove's crossroads. they have already come out and said we have $1.7 million and we're starting today if not yesterday. so you can bet right now that this is just going to -- what we saw in the primaries was just a hint of what we're going to see when now we enter the one-on-one, and romney is going to definitely benefit from all that money that's coming in. >> we saw the obama campaign issuing this pretty scathing statement here about romney after santorum dropped out of the race. they said, it's no surprise mitt romney finally was able to grind down his opponents under the avalanche of negative ads, but neither he nor his special interest allies will be able to buy the presidency with their negative ads, their negative attacks. essentially saying bring it on here, lenny. they are ready to fight romney. how does he actually counter the fact that he does have a lot of money and he's seen as being very much an elitist?
>> well, he has that image but president obama has the incumbency and a pretty darn big war chest himself. one of the things president obama is going to have to look at that mitt romney will not necessarily have to deal with is the fact that president obama had the knight in shining armor, the white horse type of campaign in 2008. he's probably going to run a more negative campaign. he has a record he has to defend and he will have to throw a lot more mud at mitt romney with all the big money coming into it and that's going to harm the president's image as well. if they both get into the mud it's not as if romney will lose out and president obama will have this clear advantage. it's going to hurt the president's image as well and unfortunately this is what american politics have devolved into. >> i have to just add, i don't think it's a matter of obama throwing any mud here. i think what romney is going to try to do is avoid everything he's been campaigning on to get the republican nomination and that is extreme conservative
positions, and he's going to try to run away from that and the president merely has to state you can't etch-a-sketch your way through only the primaries but also -- >> you brought back the etch-a-sketch line. >> i'm sorry, i had to. >> we don't want to get into activism here. >> we have to leave it there. good to see you both. we'll pick this up later. >> thanks, suzanne. now mitt romney looking more like the republican nominee. he's also becoming number one target of late night comedians. here is conan o'brien. >> in financial news, the dow jones is down for the fifth day in a row. yeah. when asked for comment, gop front-runner mitt romney said, don't worry, america, all my money is in switzerland. >> this guy ending violence one snack at a time. armed with only a bag of chips he steps in and stops a fight. [ bleep ].
a man on a new york subway is being called a hero. what did he do? he stops a fight simply by standing and snacking on potato chips. i'm not kidding. jeanne moos has more on this guy known as snack man. >> reporter: in other places citizens may dress up like batman or a kid might save the day by taking over the wheel when a bus drivers become incapacitated, but in new york city, we have snack man. that's right, snack man to the rescue. man breaks up subway fight by fearlessly eating potato chips. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> reporter: a man and woman were fighting on the subway. he said he'd been following her. enter snack man. [ bleep ]. >> put his hand up, inserted himself, continues to eat his chips. >> reporter: security expert steve kardian was impressed and
new yorkers were smiting given snack man a red cape and all he did was masticate. >> he changed the dynamic and he deescalated the incident. >> steve kardian says most people don't really want to fight. if they have an excuse to disengage. >> it's like kind of the kid that come on, i'm going to beat you up, and johnny, come home. i would have beat you up if my mother didn't call me. >> reporter: the only thing he said snack man did wrong was leave himself vulnerable by completely turning his back to the guy. new yorkers appreciate a cool cucumber like the man with a book who refused to be drawn into a fight after he accidentally bumped a guy. >> okay. that's cool. [ bleep ]. >> thank you. >> look in my [ bleep ] eyes. remember that [ bleep ] name because you ain't going to never -- >> i'm writing it down. >> write that asap. >> reporter: snack man was so cool one fan posted that guy for
president. his potato chip plan will bring peace to the middle east. soon the speculation turned to which snack snack man was snacking on. >> it's a bird. >> reporter: it's doritos. >> it's a plane. >> reporter: it's pringles. >> it's superman. >> reporter: the chipped crusader. nyu local tracked him down and identified hip as charles saunder on his way uptown to have drinks chopping on cheddar ping pringsles. he said he had to do something. as one person posted, saving the world one snack at a time. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. north korean rocket is being fueled right now. the controversial launch could be just hours away. the u.s. wants the north koreans to call it off but we have a report from the pentagon on how this launch may actually help u.s. intelligence. my mother said, "well, maybe we ought to buy
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the north koreans say their rocket is a go for launch. this is a rocket, this is the launchpad. we're just waiting to see if the north koreans are actually going to go through with sending it up. the united states doesn't want it to launch. same for the south koreans and japan. they all believe north korea is testing a weapon. barbara starr, she's at the pentagon, and, barbara, u.s. military leaders certainly i imagine playing very close attention to this potential launch which could happen at any moment. what are they watching for?
>> suzanne, all eyes on it. right now they want to know exactly what the north koreans are up to. the north koreans are saying this is a rocket and they will use it to launch a satellite to monitor the earth. all very peaceful scientific research purposes, but the u.s. believes this is the same missile technology that would be used in a long-range missile that some day could attack the united states. so first they want to know exactly what this technology is all about. they are going to monitor this launch if it happens and get whatever electronic data they can, how far does it fly, how reliable is it, how does the fuel burn, how does it operate as it moves through the atmosphere. that's what they want to know because if north korea has some success in this, the big intelligence question is going to be who's been helping them, who got them to this point? all of their previous launches have run into trouble. >> barbara, how does the pentagon actually keep an eye on this launch?
>> reporter: that's a really good question. some of the nation's most classified technology will be deployed, is already in the region to look at this, a series of radars, u.s. navy warships that are in the region with their radars patrolling, aircraft and, of course, spy satellites overhead. monitoring the site even though reporters are on the ground looking at it at the invitation of north korea. there will be spy satellites gathering up, scooping up all that electronic data once the launch happens to try and answer some of those questions we talked about. >> what is the worst case scenario? if this 234r50flies in a differ direction than is expected, what can be done once it's in the sky? >> reporter: at this point they're not really classifying it as a weapon. they're taking the north koreans sort of at their word that there's a satellite on it. it is weapons technology.
it will fly, the north koreans say, in a southerly direction towards japan, the philippines, and, of course, south korea. so the question is once it launches, will its various stages, its various elements drop into the sea off the coast of off those asian countries as the north koreans say sor could it go astray and could some of that debris fall over land? that will be a very significant problem. >> all right. barbara starr, thank you. appreciate it. putting out the dog, let in the cat, feed the chickens? urban farming is sweeping the nation. we'll tell you how to start a farm in your own backyard.
all right. you don't often hear a rooster cook a doodle doing in the middle of big city neighborhoods, but it's happening more and more. it's called urban farming. >> reporter: in saunders case, she's created an organic oasis bringing the countryside to her in-20 in-town hideaway. >> this is a sussex, a british bird. >> reporter: the color of the eggs are different, too. are the flavors different? >> no. >> it's easter all the time here. >> it is. >> reporter: she's driven more by her passion for pets than appetite for fresh eggs, although she says once you taste farm fresh, you'll never want anything else. >> to me it tastes like a watered down egg you get at the grocery store or really deep, rich flavorful egg that your
backyard hens will lay for you. >> cnn editor kat kinsman is joining us with all the tasty details. one person on our team likes to do this urban chicken farming. are more and more people getting involved in this? >> if there's an empty rooftop or a little grass available somebody is trying to figure out a way to house a chicken on it. urban chicken farming isn't anything new but it's coppiming more into prominence. there's an established chicken culture in atlanta and austin and other places around the country but it's becoming more evidenced online. there are 128,000 registered members just waiting to help you start with your backyard chicken farming. there's a great podcast by the chicken whisperer as well. >> i have to ask you this, why are folks interested in having chickens in the backyard?
why not just go to the store? what are the benefits of this? >> well, first of all, if you have ever tasted a freshly laid egg, there is nothing in the world like that. it's creamy. it's delicious. it's just nothing like the supermarket chickens you can ever have. secondly, in 2010 when the salmonella crisis happened with eggs, people took a lot closer look at how their chickens were being raised, and they found really uncomfortable facts that chickens were being raised in battery cages barely big enough to contain them and they were being kept in fairly unsanitary really upsetting conditions that led to salmonella, sort of other conditions that were very unhealthy and even deadly to the people consuming the eggs. if you raise a chicken yourself you know exactly what that chicken has been eating and it's had a really happy life. you can, indeed, have a happy chicken. they make a great pet. they have individual personalities. i have met a few and they're distinctive. >> you have the happy chicken.
do you have the happy neighbors who are listening to this perhaps at the break of dawn? how does that work in a city environment? >> well, one of the great misconceptions is that you have to have a rooster to have eggs. you do not. chicken just produce eggs on their own. they're not necessarily super quiet, but i was woken up by a jackhammer this morning so i have nothing to complain about. there's a cost associated with it, and you have to make sure you have the space available. there also is -- as i said they're lovely creatures and you get attached to them and they have a fairly long life span. once they go into henopause, you have to face the fact do you want to produce this creature who is no longer producing eggs or are you going to eat your pet. it's a decision not everybody is willing to deal with. there are a lot of local zoning laws. >> you said in your article that the chickens have different personalities like cats and dogs. is that really true? >> they really do. i spent time on buggy creek farm in austin, texas, and met a
little chicken named toesy who changed my life forever. she has fans, a fan club, tote bags about her. she's an absolutely adorable creature, and they can be really loving if you give them a chance to sort of know them one-on-one -- on a one-by-one basis. i always say rabbits can, too. >> who knew. i'm learning so much. i had no idea chickens had personalities. thank you very much. it's good to talk about it. very interesting. interesting trend happening. thanks, kat. could be help on the way for people struggling to pay off their mortgages. what it could mean for your monthly payment. all work and no play... will make brady miss his favorite part of the day. ♪ [ upbeat ] [ barking ] [ whines ] that's why there's beneful playful life, made with energy-packed wholesome grains... and real beef and egg. to help you put more play in your day. beneful. play. it's good for you.
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some of the 30 million homeowners with loans backed by fannie mae and freddie mac could get some help with their underwater mortgages. that's at least the plan the government is talking about. felicia taylor is live at the new york stock exchange with some of the details. do we know, felicia, it was just last week the justice department approved $26 billion for homeowner relief with the major banks but it didn't include fannie and freddie. >> it's a little complicated. the director of the federal housing finance agency says he's considering a principle reduction plan for struggling homeowners. fannie and freddie services 60% of all mortgages in the united states. the fhfa is also charged with looking out for investors and u.s. taxpayers. it's been determined doing nothing will lead to massive losses totaling about $100
billion. do they offer forbearance and that would temporary reduce principal? short term payments are cut down but the borrower is still responsible for the amount of the original loan. forgiveness would be permanent but more costly. estimates show a $3 billion loss for the agency if it chooses forgiveness over forbearance. >> if the new plan is approved, how many people would it actually help? >> quite a few. about 600,000 homeowners would be he will vibl for this modification under the program. those eligible include homeowners in financial hardship or those who have missed two payments in a row. now, an agency spokesperson says that this would not be a silver bullet for the housing market. it has ervations about this. one of the worries is homeowners who are current will start skipping payments in order to meet that criteria of missing two payments in a row to become eligible for the principal
reduction. currently more than 2 million fannie and freddie mortgages are underwater, but yet the homeowner remains current on loan payments so what's the incentive to incite this program? >> why not offer relief to people who pay it on time? >> such a good question. sounds really nice. get more people out from under their loans before they get into trouble. wouldn't that be great. >> yeah. >> exactly. that makes sense. and putting a little more money into people's pockets every single month. but the fhfa is just kind of against it. the director says borrowers, quote, demonstrating a continued willingness to meet their mortgage obligations should be recognized and encouraged, not dampened with incentives to not continue paying. also it says that it would add to the overall taxpayer burden which is obviously massive when it comes to fannie and freddie. it's complicated. there's no easy solution on this one. >> all right. felicia, thanks. good to see you.