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we're back tomorrow at 7:00. "anderson cooper 360" starts right now. asking where mitt romney stands on illegal immigration and whether he's been sending out two messages. we're asking because no matter what you may think of the issue, no matter which side of the debate you're on, its "important to know what the presumive nominee would actually do if he became president. keeping them honest tonight. it is kind of hard to tell. today the supreme court heard oral arguments on the challenge to the strict illegal immigration law. the law requires local police officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws, if they reasonably suspect that person is in the country illegally. we asked the romney campaign where specifically does the governor stand on this, does he support it, support it with reservations or oppose it. here's the answer we got. quote, governor romney supports the right of states to assist
the federal government in enforcing immigration laws especially when the federal government has failed their duty to enforce those laws. that is one of the issues the supreme court is trying to address. it doesn't answer the question whether he supports sp 1070. january 11th as he was campaigning in south carolina, governor romney was touting the endorsement of kansas secretary of state chris cobash who wrote the 1070 law. from the romney website, quote, we need more conservative leaders like chris willing to stand up for the rule of law. with chris on the team, i look forward to working with him to take forceful steps to curtail illegal immigration and support states like south carolina addressing this problem. he's highlighting the endorsement 1070's author, talking about forceful steps to support arizona and south carolina.
just after losing south carolina, just before the primary in florida, which has a much larger latino population, there was a different tone. listen. >> well, the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal documentation to allow them to work here. so we're not going to round people up. >> that's shortly before the primary in a state with a big latino population. days before competing in arizona, with its large hispanic population, a primary that allows independents to vote, romney called it a model but not for the law that cobach wrote. >> i think you see a model here in arizona. they passed a law here that says if people come here and try and find work, that the employer is required to look them up e-verify. >> that's a different law than sb 1070. more recently the campaign saw to distance itself from cobach,
saying he's just a supporter. that his relationship with the campaign, quote, has not changed. campaign, by the way, has since changed their tune a little confirming cobach is an informal adviser. it's just as hard to nail down exactly where romney stands on this. he's campaigning with mark rubio, and supports the dream act. it provides a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who enter the country. what's romney's take on that? back in december, governor romney seemed to be taking a tough line at least on the original. >> the question is, if i were elected and congress were to pass the dream act, would i veto it. and the answer is yes. >> lately, though, he appears to be making somewhat of a pivot. he said the revised law is something he's studying. he restated his commitment to securing the border with mexico, promising an immigration plan of his own but refused to give any
specifics. >> i anticipate before the november election we'll be laying out a whole series of policies that relate to immigration. i've spoken about the need to have a visa system that's right sized for the needs of our employment community. and so how we adjust our visa program, to make it fit the needs of our country is something i'll be speaking about down the road. but i don't have anything for you. >> no specifics there. but seemingly, at least his critics would say a move away from the hard line as the need to win conservatives began to fade and the need grows to win more moderates in a general election is one way of looking at it. and also, to close the latino gap down from 40 points. governor romney seems to be changing his tone on the immigration issue but not offering any policy specifics. at the end of the day, the question remains, where does he really stand. which mitt romney would you be getting if he becomes president. today cobach told the kansas
newspaper, why not both. quote, i think he can embrace both of us and go merry along to win the election in november. a lot to talk about tonight with paul, who is advising the leading pro super pack. also republican strategist and senior romney adviser buchanan. paul, where does romney stand, do you think? >> he has now for several years been on a very strong anti-immigrant position, which has helped him in the primaries, but hurt him desperately with latino voters. i think this whole strategy is old school. nixon used to say this, run to the right in the primaries and then run to the middle in the general election. that was over 40 years. and that dog don't hunt anymore. we have the miracle of videotape. i think this is causing him grievous damage. i don't think he'll be able to undo it. >> you think he's clearly trying to pivot? >> i think he is what my spanish speaking friends is a liar.
he's lying now just to get the hispanic votes. i think voters see through that. >> where does he stand on the sb 1070? >> he supports it. he's made it very clear, he supports arizona's right to pass laws and try to enforce them when the federal government is refusing to do so. >> he talks about the e-verify law, not sb 1070. >> no, he supports this law. it's what the states are going to do. he believes the states have a right to do this. and he supports their designing whatever they think is necessary to protect their own citizens. he said that the law for e-verify is a model. he likes that. he thinks all states should take a look at that and see. that's a model. he didn't say he doesn't support these others. >> but we specifically -- but we specifically asked his campaign about the sb-1070 and they gave this answer that you just gave that he supports the rights of states to make the laws. he then talks about e-verify.
>> in other words, he supports this. if it's what the state feels is right for them, and arizona obviously does, they passed it overwhelmingly, then he supports that. he has no problems with that. but the other thing is, he didn't say it should be a model for all states. he said the e-verify should be a model. paul said he's anti-immigrant. governor romney is not anti-immigrant. he's opposed to illegal immigration. he feels the federal government has the obligation to enforce the laws of this land and secure our borders, something barack obama has failed to do, year after year after year. and that's why the states have to take the action they do. >> did you say he does believe sb-1070 should be a national model or doesn't? >> no, he never said sb-1070 should be a national model. he said e-verify should be. but that does not suggest he doesn't support this. he thinks that north carolina's bill is a little bit different. he supports the right for north carolina to design what's best for north carolina. utah, alabama, other states are doing the same thing.
he doesn't believe this particular bill should be a model for all of the states. he thinks those states should decide for themselves. but he does think that the e-verify law in arizona is exceptional, and would be an excellent model for other states. >> we can go check the record. but i distinctly remember governor romney saying the arizona immigration law, s be 1070, is a model for the nation. he said -- we'll look that up. we know this. >> you just saw it. you just saw it. we just saw the clip. >> i know. when he was campaigning earlier, he said, he attacked perry on immigration. >> be careful when you call someone a liar. that's a little serious. >> it is very serious. >> he's owed an apology from you, paul begala, if you're wrong. >> he attacked john mccain on immigration from the right in '08. rick perry, conservative guy, and even attacked newt gingrich for wanting some sort of legal
status less than citizenship. he attacked rick santorum for confirming sonya sotomayor. >> he continues to be opposed to any amnesty. he continues to believe that enforcing the law is essential when you're part of the federal government, that is only fair. and he believes e-verify is an slept program that should be used by all businesses in this country. he has not changed his position one bit. >> do you believe, paul, that he has tailored what he has emphasized based on what states he's campaigning -- >> there's no doubt. if he was campaigning in new shire, and said kelly would be a great running mate, maybe she's on the list. those lists are often wrong, so i could be wrong about that. if mitt romney, if he was speaking to cannibals, he would
promise them missionaries. >> isn't that something all politicians do? they emphasize a local candidate or -- >> but he's like the muhammad ali of this. like all boxers throw punches, but this guy is unbelievable. it's not even like the message democrats ought to be on. i'm just telling you, you can't run from the extreme right, pro-arizona immigration law, and then a few weeks later, just because the dates have changed, the election has changed and the electorate has changed, it's insulting to arizona's intelligence to fib like that. >> paul, you're saying he's all these changes. he has not changed at all. i am part of this campaign. i'm talking to the people in boston. but i tell you what we do know. anderson has pointed out, candidates say different things out there. and your candidate certainly has. but something that we know about barack obama, is that he has used his power to trample the constitution of the united states. this is the second time his policies have been before the supreme court.
and even sotomayor has told the administration's attorney, we're not buying this argument. it is unconstitutional, these lawsuits against the states. >> what's before the court is the arizona law, not the obama law. second -- >> what are they doing shoeing the states? >> well, because -- >> abuse of power. an abuse of power. >> arizona should have one law and north carolina should have another law, then we have chaos. there is an international border there. and it's federal government responsibility to control it. by the way, president obama has put more boots on the ground on the mexican border than any president since woodrow wilson was chasing poncho vilaa. he has deported more people in three years than president bush in eight. the truth is, the -- if mitt romney were concerned about stemming illy immigration, he would be supporting barack
obama. >> supporters of the 1070 are saying the tough laws like in arizona have discouraged illegal immigration. >> exactly right. >> oh, the recession has. there are no more jobs. that means mitt romney was wrong when people come here for handouts. no, they don't. they come to work. now there's no more work, so they're not coming anymore. i think president obama's boots on the ground has certainly helped. i don't know, i don't live in arizona, so i can't say. but it seems to be an overbroad law and seems to be particularly, i think, risky in terms of civil rights. >> i want to give you the final comment. >> none of these states shouldn't have to take any of these actions if the federal government would just have the guts to do what they are obligated to do. and that is enforce the immigration laws of this land. but because they refuse, brave men and women across the states have come up with their own bill so they can protect their citizens. the i say god bless them.
>> appreciate it. let us know what you think. follow us on twitter at anderson cooper. more shocking testimony in the john edwards trial. this gets stranger and stranger day by day. how he allegedly kept up his affair with rielle hunter, even after he told his wife about it. and he and a neighbor nearly came to blows at one appointment. that's next.er red lobster's festival of shrimp starts now! for just $12.99, pair any two of 9 exciting shrimp creations like new barbeque glazed shrimp or crab stuffed shrimp. the crab-stuffed shrimp are awesome! [ woman ] very creamy. that's a keeper! [ woman ] shrimp skewer. [ woman #2 ] sweet, smoky. [ man ] delicious! [ laughter ] [ male announcer ] any combination just $12.99! [ woman ] so what are ya'lls favorites? [ group ] everything! [ laughter ] we're servers at red lobster. and we sea food differently. >> announcer: this is the day. the day that we say to the world of identity thieves "enough." we're lifelock, and we believe you have the right to live free from the fear of identity theft. our pledge to you?
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testimony in the john edwards criminal trial, once again, the former presidential candidate and fallen democratic star arrived with his eldest daughter at his side. his former top aide and onetime good friend, andrew young, is now the prosecution's star witness. young has given blistering testimony about his role in covering up his boss' affair with rielle hunter and the daughter that they had together. edwards is accused of breaking federal law by using hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to pay for the cover-up. today young testified about an invoice he drew up for one of the wealthy benefactors who was paying for hunter's expenses. it was more than $200,000, including a car for hunter and $40,000 in cash for her allowance. prosecutors also played
voicemails edwards left in december of 2007. in one message, edwards said i talked to elizabeth and i think it's under control. five days later he left a message saying, please tell her i said hello. and i'll call later tonight. the her was rielle hunter. it suggested the affair was continuing even after edwards' wife found out about it. this is the john edwards that we all saw at the time. campaigning in iowa with his wife of more than 30 years. the jurors also heard about young's crumbling relationship with edwards. young testified the two men came close to throwing punches at each other in 2008. at the time young was pretending to be the father of hunter's child. after pictures surfaced with hunter and their daughter, edwards promised to admit the affair publicly, but in an interview he flat-out lied about the baby that he fathered. >> i need to ask about the most
controversial allegation. which is that a report has been published that the baby of miss hunter is your baby. true? >> not true. not true. it's a supermarket tabloid. that is absolutely not true. >> have you taken a paternity test? >> i have not. we would welcome participating in a paternity test. i would be happy to participate in one. i know that it's not possible that this child could be mine, because of the timing of events. so i know it's not possible. >> it was not only possible, it was a fact. when it came time for the defense team to cross-examine young today, they pointed out multiple inconsistents in what he told the fbi, grand jury and media and what he wrote in a tell-all book called "the politician." he read an e-mail exchange between young and robert draper referring to edwards, young wrote, no, i want to personally
blank on his head. draper wrote back, no, in his mouth. john edwards was clearly pleased with his performance. he was caught on camera speaking to his daughter cate as they left the courthouse. joe johns was in the courtroom today. so was bob woodruff. they both join me now. bob, great to see you. what's it like for you to see john edwards in court? i mean, he sat directly across from you, face to face with you, on that interview on "nightline" back in 2008. and was just not telling you the truth. >> that is absolutely true, anderson, he was not telling the truth. we found all the details out as we went on. and being in the trial, in the court with him, we didn't make many eye contacts, just like he did with anderson -- or i mean when andrew actually -- andrew young was actually speaking and testifying up there. he never made any contacts with
him either. but it was a little bit difficult to be sitting there in a trial at a time when everything's changed. >> it's so fascinating, bob, to rewatch that "nightline" interview. he's looking at you as if he doesn't even understand what you're possibly asking him, about the child being his. when at the time he knew the child was his. i want to play another clip from that interview. this really deals with the core of the charges against him. let's listen. >> there are reports that there was money paid to try to cover up this affair. was there? >> can i just say everything you're saying, there are reports, there are allegations, these are all things in supermarket tabloids, which make the most outrageous allegations every week. so that's -- let's start with the source of this information. this is what i can tell you. i've never paid a dime of money to any of the people that are involved. i've never asked anybody to pay
a dime of money. never been told that any money's been paid. nothing has been done at my request. so if the aels is that somehow i participated in the payment of money, that is a lie. an absolute lie. which is typical in these type of publications. >> since then, bob, the edwards defense team has tried to pin the evidence on someone else. do you find that to be credible? >> no, they're not. he said, i didn't pay. i didn't tell anybody to do it. and i didn't hear it happened. certainly the latter two were obvious. you know that he and fred barron were close friends. there were voicemails that he and fred and certainly actually young actually spoke together about these details. they communicated with each other. there are voicemails from john edwards right there to young as
well. and so you know they had these discussions. they knew there was money. that was ending up to try to help rielle hunter. he certainly knew young did not have that kind of money. and he almost certainly knew this was coming from fred barron. as for him spending it, probably not. he did not write the checks. he did not put it on his credit cards. but he certainly knew all these details. and i think we'll hear a lot more about that during this trial. >> that's what's so significant about that interview you did, bob, because this was the interview where he was basically confessing, where he was confessing the affair. and just from a public relations standpoint, to give a confessional interview to a reporter of your stature, and then to continue to lie in that interview, i mean, that takes real hutzpah. >> hutzpah is probably a good word for it. i think he maybe thought he would be able to pull this off. i think there was this real disillusion he had at the time. i think his situation was -- you know, he's had interesting
issues going through his mind, i can only assume. i certainly hope he just admits that, that he's having this affair and that it was a very short period of time. and maybe people will believe that and he's not going to have to talk about the really important one, which is that this is probably his baby. and the big question is, did elizabeth, his wife, know that this was his baby. >> yeah. >> that's the question. she really did not want to think that that was his baby. and when andrew came out, andrew young came out and said that he is the father, i think elizabeth had a great bit of relief. i don't think that landed long. >> joe, today was the first time edwards' defense team had a crack at cross-examining andrew young. they pointed ohis inconsistencis in his book. that's the key to their defense, isn't it, joe? >> absolutely.
he's the star witness, anderson, for the produsecution. when we watch the cross-examination today, you really had a sense of just how important he is to the case. abby lowell, the lead defense lawyer, literally reading lines page for page from the book written by andrew young. you lied when you wrote this. you made that story up, didn't you. but the end of the day, anderson, the question is whether the nucleus of the case holds, and that's about intent. the intent of john edwards to violate campaign finance laws. if the prosecutors can hold on to that, they may still have a case. >> joe johns, thanks for that. abc's bob woodruff. great to have you on the program. thanks so much. coming up next, new details about america's first case of mad cow disease in six years. we reported on this last night. the question is, did the system
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important question tonight about the food you eat in the wake of the first american case of mad cow disease in six years. the bottom line is, is it safe. it's neither easy nor simple to say. tonight we know more about the infected cow that turned up at a rendering plant in california. it's been traced back to a dairy
farm elsewhere in california. the congressman who gave us that information said the discovery demonstrates a string of america's mad cow surveillance system. those are reassures words u no doubt about it. also reassuring words last night from secretary of agriculture tom vilsack on john king usa. >> this is the way the system is supposed to work. we're supposed to identify these circumstances and make sure they don't get in the food supply. we were reassured once we found out it would not get in the food supply. >> so far, so good. or so it would seem. the carcass had been randomly selected for testing. it went to a lab at uc davis, where the results were inconclusi inconclusive, and in ames, iowa, that it came back positive. the bse likely did not come from feed, that it was likely the result of a genetic mutation in the animal itself. no diseased meat got into either the human or animal food chain.
keeping them honest, the system is far from perfect when it comes to spotting animals that are already showing signs of disease. the system relies on randomly testing cattle for bse. that's how they found this latest infected cow is randomly testing. only about 40,000 head of cattle are tested each year, out of about 100 million cows, bulls and calves. is that enough. 40,000. experts disagree on it. in addition, if the disease had come as it often does from infected feed, one expert said authorities would be hard pressed to locate other cases. the center for client and public interest said they lack effective ways of tracking livestock. a third world animal identification system needs to follow the food we eat or feed other animals as it travels through the supply chain. maybe the system worked or maybe we just got lucky. i talked about it with an jay
gupta and lisa earlier. can you explain what mad cow is, first of all? >> this is a neurological disease. scientists believe it attacks the brain, attacks the central nervous system of a cow and causes them to have these neurological symptoms. the specific pathogen, there's very little known about this in comparison to bacteria or viruses. it's also worth noting, the best we can tell is a cow probably has the prion in their system for a long time, before they develop any symptoms. >> so how easily is it spread, sanjay? >> it's pretty hard to spread. even among cows. what they've learned over the years in the last 15, 20 years is that likely it's spread by cows eating body parts of other cows. and it's tough to think about it that way, but specific limb the body parts are the central nervous system body parts. so the feed is made oftentimes
from animal parts. in this case, cows. and if you get components of the brain, the spinal cord into that feed, they believe that's how this prion, this pathogen is spread one cow to the next. >> lisa, you're concerned this might not be an isolated event and we don't know for sure. because the government tests such a tiny fraction of the slaughtered cows? >> that's right. the usda tests only about 40,000 of the 35 million cows that are killed every year. that's just a tiny fraction. and so they're not looking very hard for mad cow disease, and so they're not finding it very often. >> sanjay, the usda said the fact that this was detected proves the system does work, despite a small percentage of the cattle are tested. >> it's swresting, i think the best analogy is like a biopsy, is what elisa is describing as well. not testing every single cow, but going in and trying to figure out what is the best sample size to find these cases
of mad cow disease. the cow we're talking about here did not have any symptoms. so it was found on the basis of screening. whether that sample size to elisa's point is large enough or not is do you have to say. >> sanjay, are there other steps being taken to ensure the food supply isn't contaminated? >> i think the whole notion that we know where the prion, this pathogen that likely causes this lives, avoiding getting that into feed, is the number one thing. i think on a consumer level, you think about the fact that if you are worried about this, and it's a very, very remote chance anyone would contract this this way, 1 in 1 billion chance of getting a disease which is the variant in humans of mad cow disease, you know, you could avoid eating meat that's directly attached to a bone, for example. avoid eating bone marrow. certainly avoid eating parts of animals and cows that are anywhere close or related to the
brain or spinal cord and try and avoid eating animals that have been fed any of those things as well. >> elisa, your group is pushing the usda for more testing. is it financially sustainable? do you want every animal tested? >> well, there's another way to increase surveillance that we think the usda is remiss about. there are private companies that want to spend their own money to test their own beef so they can sell their beef to other countries that have decided they didn't want to buy u.s. beef. those companies in the united states that want to test their own meat have been prohibited from doing so by the usda. we think that's wrong. we think they should be able to test their own meat. they should be able to label it bse tested. and they could use the same test that the usda uses. but usda has forbidden it. >> sanjay, are pets at risk? >> for some of the same reasons we're talking about, the idea
that you could get these specific parts, again, it's tough to describe it this way, but these parts of animals that have the brain and spinal cord in it, into feed of other animals, possibly. in theory, it could happen. there has been a sort of variant in cats described. it's known as feline spongeoform ense enself lop po think. not as many other animals will be susceptible to it. if you trace the feed chain here, that's where people are trying to focus their attention as well. >> i appreciate it. thank you very much. still ahead tonight, the strange story of an elderly washington, d.c. socialite found murdered in her home. her husband has been charged with first-degree murder. but whether the case ever goes before a jury is the question. we'll tell you why.
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in crime and punishment, the man who was accused of killing his much older wife is delayed because of his bizarre behavior. the death of his wife more than four decades older than he is opened a window into his eccentric habits. >> reporter: when police were called last august to this home in upscale georgetown, the bathroom sandy the scene of a terrible accident. a well-known d.c. socialite was dead. as a journalist, she had written for many influential publications. she had kept company with the rich and powerful. her husband told police he found the body, and according to keith alexander with the "washington post," he gave a plausible story. >> in the beginning he said she fell, and she hit her head. and that's what happened. >> a tragic accident. >> a tragic accident. she was 91 years old. >> reporter: although he was 44 years younger than draft, coming along after her first husband
died, they had been married more than 20 years, united in part by a shared german background. neighbors like paige robinson thought his be actual yar. >> it's true he would walk around in these army outfits and he would have a cigar. he was a bit eccentric for sure. >> reporter: did you think he was in the military? >> no. >> reporter: they say muth was full of grand claims about his heritage and experiences. >> he was like a german baron. he clicked his heels, he bowed. i think he had some connection with the united nations, or at least that's what he told me. but i still had the impression that for her, he was a fish out of water. and i could not understand that relationship at all. >> reporter: police say their investigation turned up reports of multiple incidents of domestic violence dense graft over the years. and that muth had twice been charged with assault.
he was convicted in one case and the other was dismissed. and yet -- >> they had things in common, th that he made her feel young again. >> reporter: within hours of the body being found, police were turning up evidence showing that muth felt differently. muth told them this was a marriage of convenience. he had no job, and she gave him a monthly allowance of $2,000, recently reduced to $1,800. police found a letter muth presented to his wife's family after her death. it was dated the day before her body was found. signed in her name and instructed the family to hand over at least $150,000 if anything happened to her, according to the affidavit. then the medical examiner dropped a bombshell. he said she had not fallen, she had been beaten so badly, that bones were broken and she had been strangled.
police picked up albert muth, then things got strange. in court, even as his appointed attorney tried to argue that the evidence was not enough to tie muth to the crime, he interrupted to say he wanted to represent himself. he went on a hunger strike. he suggested an outside killer was to blame for the murder, even though police say there was no sign of a forced entry. and he suggested he should be treated as a captured military officer in keeping with stories he had told for years. >> he claimed to be a general in the iraqi army. he also claimed he was a spy for foreign countries. he claimed that he was of european aristocrat descent. >> reporter: the court send him for psychiatric evaluation to see if he could even be held accountable for the horrible crime that happened here. and this psychiatric hospital, for the moment, is where he remains. undergoing tests to determine if he truly understands how his
long strange trip into d.c. society circles led him to face a charge of murder in the first degree. tom foreman, cnn, georgetown. >> a bizarre case. i spoke to jerry toobin about it. jeff, the details of this case are unbelievable. you can't make this stuff up. >> it is really a great case, you know, obviously it's grounded in the tragedy as most crimes are. but at the core, it's that same problem, that the criminal justice always has, is this defendant crazy or is he crazy like a fox. >> you say it's a good case of insanity and competency. >> that's right. and those are separate questions. i think sometimes people think they're the same question. before you even get to the issue of sanity, you have to decide, or a judge has to decide whether someone is competent to stand trial and make those decisions.
that's where this case is stuck, just like in the tucson shooting case, the jerrod lauch ner case, that case is stuck, too, and maybe stuck for a long time, while the judge determines whether the defendant is fit to stand trial. >> if he is found competent, though, to stand trial, he can still use an insanity defense, correct? >> that's right. that's a separate thing. that's actually -- it's a very high standard. people often talk about the insanity defense as if people can just do it, and walk off. most people who claim an insanity defense are convicted anyway. jurors are very skeptical of insanity defenses. frankly, i think they're likely to be skeptical of one here when you have this history of domestic violence. and a history of shifty behavior that's eccentric, but suggests that at least muth has some sort of connection to reality. >> the process of delaying the trial could go on for years, couldn't it? >> it could go on for years.
i mean, that's what's so frustrating about the whole issue of competency to stand trial. is that it can be an indefinite process. it may be that you're not fit to stand trial in 2012, but then you become fit, you know, through the use of medication, and whatnot, to stand trial in 2014. that means the trial starts in 2014. which is very frustrating and difficult for the legal system. >> jeff toobin, thanks. disturbing claims of bullying at a new jersey school, more disturbing because the teachers are accused of doing the bullying. one father put a recording device in his autistic son's pocket. what he found out, next.
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tonight we're adding the salahi scoffers. the guy who crashed the white house state dinner with his wife whose claims to fame are starring in the real housewives of d.c. and being kicked off of celebrity rehab because she wasn't really addicted to anything. that guy. he's determined to get into political events one way or another. now he's thinking about running for governor of virginia. oh, how the scoffers are scoffing. what makes this guy qualified to be governor of anything, they ask? aren't his 15 minutes up, they demand? let's break it down for you. we already know this guy, salahi, comes up with creative solutions to problems, like not being on the guest list for a white house state dinner, for example. when you think about it, isn't the real housewives just meet the press with fancier outfits and slight eye rolling? >> this is where we ask for your complete stylist. >> washington is not a place that responds well to showy people.
>> i think he's obnoxious. he's turning off everyone. >> he made this up. nobody was ever escorted out of there. >> we're married six years november 1st. am i a good husband? i am good. >> get rid of your husband. >> i think what best prepares him for public office is his ability to spin a story. he said his wife was kidnapped, but she had just run off. >> she wanted to go to more of the "a" celebrity. it's an '80s band. she's acting like a 16-year-old jumping on a tour bus from the '80s. >> take it easy on the '80s music there, mr. salahi. this is journey we're talking about. he can rock a mean guitar so lo. ♪
>> guessing he will not use that as his campaign song. >> going on a tour bus with a rock band. that's like a groupie -- does. >> he just lost the groupie vote. which is unfortunate because they're quite a strong constituency. extremely loyal, willing to travel. in any event, the next few years are shaping up to be interesting politically. we have that to look forward to. then there's this. >> i decided i'm going to run for the mayor of glendale. >> noel and i are looking into the requirements. and i'm literally going to have a huge -- she's going to help me with my campaign. >> not to mention this. >> for u.s. senate. >> he's gotten ads, stickers, signs, even a facebook page. >> he's running as an independent, so he had to have a blue tie. >> that's right. this is america. the cat wants to be a senator. if a kardashian wants