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all five stayed mostly silent during the proceedings, which stretched the hearing out for hours today. race to the white house. it is on. president obama held his first two official campaign rallies today in ohio and another in virginia. two must-win battleground states for obama and mitt romney. they are fighting hard. the president highlighted his accomplishments but cold crowds in both states that there is a lot more work to do. we'll follow that for you. now the stories you're talking about. selling sex. >> we went to this place to buy condoms and then we went to the hotel. a colombian call girl, telling secrets about the president's men. is it time to make prostitution legal in the u.s.? i ask an american madame. too many hits. too many questions. >> i say certainly ban it at the college level. >> the man who wrote the book on football wants to put an end to friday, saturday, sunday and even monday night life. vote for me.
>> when i'm president, i will fight for an amendment. >> i will put in place a system. >> if you stand for everything, do you really stand for anything? will the real mitt romney please stand up? that and the skinny on what everyone is talking about in our entertainment. first, you know where we're going to start. we're going to talk sex and paying for it, legally. how often do you see a sex worker standing up for herself and unabashedly telling her story for the world to see? donnia suarez went public. she's a columbian escort who brought down almost a dozen secret service agents after they wouldn't pay her what she calls a gift. that gift, $800 for the night. it started in a bar in colombia. >> translator: my friends nor i, we didn't know they were agents, you know, obama's agents.
and then we left and we went to this place to buy condoms and then we went to the hotel. >> who went? >> translator: my friend -- she's not really a friend, an acquaintance, and the agent who was with me, and the other one, the four of us. and then my friend went with him because she liked him. she liked him. it wasn't the same thing i was doing. >> but that night led to a very ugly hangover in the morning when it was time to settle up. >> translator: i told him to wake up and give me my gift that i asked him for. and he said no. just go, bitch. i'm not going to pay you. and then he -- he just -- he put out 15,000 pesos for the taxi and i was in shock in that moment when he said that.
>> if she was here in the u.s., she would have had few places to turn for help. but this was colombia. in an area where prostitution is legal and she had the law on her side. >> translator: two more agents showed up and stood at the door and asked me what was going on. i kept telling them i was going to call the police so my problem would get solved and they didn't care. all they were saying is please, please, no police, no police. they were asking me not to call the police. >> but she did call the cops and now those agents are wishing they coughed up that 800 bucks. this is putting a spotlight on an occupation often kept in the dark, prostitution. and legalizing it. is it time for the u.s. to consider legalizing it? it's already legal in parts of nevada, where susan austin is a madame at the mustang ranch. susan, you already sell sex legally. i couldn't wait to talk to you because i know you're passionate about it. so what are the benefits of legalized prostitution aside
from the purely physical ones? >> well, the benefits are, it's legal, it's regulated. the girls are medically checked. they're kept safe. and number one, they work for themselves. they're not in the hands of predators. these ladies are independent contractors. they set their own hours. they come in, they work for themselves. under our legal umbrella. how better could it be? they don't have to look over their shoulders and our customers are clients. they don't have to look over their shoulders either. >> and i asked you before the show, is it okay if i call you madame? you're proud of it. what did you say? >> you better. i earned the right to be madame. you can't be a madame unless you've laid on your back and sold it yourself. >> okay. there you go. that will make a headline somewhere. i've got to ask you this, when you first saw this story playing out, madame, did you say oh, here we go, did you realize it was going to get to this level?
>> yes, i did. the ladies broke the number one rule, get your money up front, sweetheart. and the men, shame on them. they made an agreement. stick to your agreement. every red blooded man, when you make a hand shake, you better follow through. shame on them. don't backtrack. >> we're looking at a documentary made about the ranch that was for hd-net that we're looking at. i've seen many things about the mustang ranch. we've done stories on it here on cnn. my question to you, madame, do you think that this case, does it help or hurt the case for legalized prostitution here in the united states? because now it's connected with politicians and the highest politician in the land, the president. >> it's always connected to politicians, honey. look at it. every time a little black book comes out, it's connected to a politician. >> there's always a whole list of politicians. >> that's right. but the problem is, they usually go to the illegal side.
they rarely stress it the legal -- they rearl visit the legal side. because the legal side never tells. we don't kiss and tell. that's the deal. and nevada is the only state that's been proud enough and brave enough to step forward and make it legal in certain areas and be strong enough to regulate it. that's the key word -- regulation. you have to put the regulations in position in place and be strong enough to keep it that way. we're drug free, we moderate alcohol. everything is done with the regulations in place, condom use. >> i want to get this in, though. i don't know if this is how we think about it in america. most people think it's an act of desperation. a lot of people -- women in the sex trade talk about empowerment. but what is empowering about selling your body? >> it is empowering.
it's not just empowering. it's a care giving profession. when you meet a man who otherwise wouldn't receive the touch of a lady, either mother nature hasn't been kind or he's been in an industrial accident or he's come from the war and he's missing body parts and no one will look at him twice. he rolls in and all you see is the soul and you reach out and touch him and you know this is the only woman who is going to do that unconditionally without any thoughts of how he looks. you understand this is a very special profession. these women are very special ladies. they don't think about how he looks. >> yeah. >> madame, hold that thought. we are not done talking about sex for sale, not just yet. >> i hope not. >> i have a warning for guys. you need to pay attention. ahead, how one country cut the prostitution rate in half and i
want you to tell us what you think. should prostitution be legal in the united states? i am on twitter right now. also on facebook as well. tweet me your thoughts. no one wants to advocate people repeatedly getting hurt and dying at an early age. >> he wrote the book on the game of football. now he's leading the charge to ban the sport. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. experience life well lit, ask for transitions adaptive lenses. are connecting here. linkedin connects with the big board.
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i'm going to read some of them in a moment. who is to blame for all the awful things that surround prostitution in the u.s., is it the people selling their bodies or the people paying for it? sweden has been arresting the johns, not the sex workers, since 1999. stats show street prostitution has been cut in half there. i want to ask you, you heard what the madame had to say, right? so would sweden's idea work here for just charging the johns rather than the women who are selling their bodies? >> we looked at the statutes that sweden has. we have penalties for the johns here. they're just misdemeanors. there's not much of a risk for the people getting caught with a prostitute. so we have the laws on the books. either tighten them up to make it more difficult or problematic for the people who are soliciting the prostitutes.
>> i think that the women know, right, that nothing is going to happen to them. the men know nothing is going to happen to them. you said not much happens to the woman. but still, they're still part of the process of being prosecuted or charged with something. and the women aren't there. i don't know if it would be against our constitutional rights not to charge both sides here. >> you can charge whoever you want. if you're going to prosecute the man and take it to trial, you're going to need somebody else to say yes, he did this or gave me this money. unless it's an undercover officer. so if the lady is not going to be given immunity, you're not going to have a trial. most of the people know that. or if you do get caught, it's a minimum fine. >> madame, you know the minds of men. and you think sweden's idea would work here in america? i don't think you think it will. i think you would be against this. am i wrong? >> i don't like it at all.
why would you make the man a criminal? and what you're actually doing is making the poor woman, you're putting them in the hands of the predators. so they still got those women out there working. they're pushing those women to work. so the predators are benefiting. women just aren't being charged and the men are taking the brunt of it. those men aren't criminals. and to legalize it in the united states is not the answer. it's to legalize it and regulate it like casinos and put it in specialized areas and controlled -- and striktly cold -- controlled and regulated. so that it's -- in specific areas, you treat it like a casino like we do here in nevada and do it very specifically in certain areas. it's a very special profession. the women aren't criminals. >> at some point, you have to have a morality check in the laws that you write. >> why? >> you can arrest the johns -- that's what we are. that's the kind of people we are and there are some things that
aren't acceptable. >> and my ladies are decent human beings. >> nobody's saying that. but if you're going to do that, but does it stop at children, animals? at some point the women that are working at this start at children -- that's what most of the stats say. >> madame, you've heard this before, no doubt. >> i've heard this before. i started in this business in my late 40s. >> really? >> excuse me, late 40s. i put my son through college. >> when you hear that, when you talk about morality and comparing it to other things, for you, is that an argument you heard before? how do you respond to that? where does it stop? >> i've heard it. men and women are giving it away all the time. what is wrong with two consenting adults putting a price on it? men and women are putting a barttering system on it. yes, i love him. he gives me a ring, i give him sex.
that's just a barttering system. but women are giving it -- >> it's not quite that simple. i mean, i've been doing criminal defense for almost 19 years now. the issue is the women -- there's pimps, prostitution that the women are victimized. >> that's what she is saying. put it on an equal footing. >> legalizing prostitution ends the pimps. >> we're going to have to end it there. sadly because i've loved having this conversation. my producer said, don't say the oldest profession in the book it's cliche, but that's what people call it. madame, thank you. i liked your candor. manny, i liked your candor, as well. as i said to the viewer earlier, i just want to read some things. my twitter feed is going crazy. both of you can hear this. it's empowering because they made a choice to make money doing what they enjoy. it's not selling their body. i think it should be legal because it would be safer without pimps. those are what most people are saying on twitter @ don lemon, cnn.
be a part of the conversation tonight. we want to turn now to a tragic story that has many people talking about banning football. that's right, banning football. imagine that. the suicide of former line backer junior seau on wednesday, that's what has sparked this. the 43-year-old's brain is going to be studied to look at the effects of concussions from a career of hard hits to the head and whether those hits might have led to degenerative disease. the question surrounding seau's death are adding to the growing debate about football and critics say safety is just one problem. i want you to listen to buzz bissinger. he wrote the classic book, friday night lights. you've heard of it. he's going to surprise you. he said football at least at a certain level, maybe beyond, should be banned. >> we're going to have to make a decision, and the decision is going to be, do we have football? do we keep it the way it is? because if you water it down too
much, it's not going to be football or do we ban it on every level? i think we're getting very closer and closer to that point with the death of junior seau and the suicide of ray easterling and all the studies coming out. it is a vicious game. and the problem, is and i'm first to admit this, i like it vicious and violent. but no one wants to advocate people repeatedly getting hurt and dying at an early age. >> listen, i'm glad you said that, because you are -- i refer to you as we were talking about this, as one of football's biggest fans. you wrote the book on football, in my opinion, and in many people's opinion. but i think it's very interesting that you say we're getting closer to the point where we might ban it all together. and you mean on the professional level, as well? >> yeah, because i mean, i think the problem is, and i feel this now, and i am a football fan.
you're going to reach a point where you keep watering it down, it is not going to be the game we recognize. you're never going to get the injuries out of it, and i know no one wants to admit this, we like it because it is violent. we like it because it is glad torial. >> like boxing. >> there's nothing more exciting when a guy is down on the ground and the crowd is going crazy. and i do like that. but if the research continues to show how dangerous it is down the road with dementia or alzheimer's, suicide is different, but what are you going to do? >> is it realistic to think that so many people make their livelihoods on football, people enjoy it, friday night life, that's what you wrote, is it realistic to think that americans are going to give that up because of injuries? >> no, no, it's not. we can all sort of have pie in the sky things that we believe in, and i don't believe it
should be banned at the pro level. the only way it could happen, as you know, there have been class action suits. there's going to be thousands of suits filed by individuals against the nfl. it's going to be like asbestos. if they lose those and they have to pay out hundreds of millions, then you may have a problem. >> i think people are going to be shocked. i think they are, that the guy who wrote "friday night lights," as big a football fan you are, they're going to be surprised that you're saying we should ban football. i think people are like, what? >> you've got to remember, "friday night lights" was a cautionary tale in many ways about what happens when you put too much emphasis on high school football and the way it damages kids. so it's not that incompatible. i want viewers to know, this is
not something i'm just saying for the hell of it. i've thought about this issue for 20 years. >> all right. so should football be banned, really? you're going to want to hear what these two former nfl players have to say about it. ♪ ♪ wow... ♪ [ female announcer ] sometimes, all you need is the smooth, creamy taste of werther's original caramel to remind you that you're someone very special. ♪ werther's original caramels. an accident doesn't have to slow you down.
all right. the stories you're talking about right now, more of them. more than 1,000 former players have filed suit against the nfl over the way concussion related injuries have been handled. but the nfl insists player safety is a priority. jamal anderson is here. he's involved in the newest lawsuit. how many are involved now? >> it's 114 players. >> lamar, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> you heard what buzz had to say.
he wrote "friday night lights," the book, television, movies, on and on. what do you think? do you think a ban on football is going too far? >> i think a ban on football is definitely going too far. as long as the money involved, the number one sport in america right now -- >> number one and two. >> when you hear things, it hasn't been determined exactly, you know, yet if he had a degenerative disease, talking about junior seau. >> right, but when you see that sort of thing, how can you say we shouldn't -- don, it's good we're having the conversation to make the game safer. >> i heard that. how do you make a helmet that much safer? >> there's a lot of money being made in football. >> i'm not saying it should be banned. >> rights, absolutely. >> but there's new ways to improve the technology and there are ways now especially with having this conversation where we can try to improve what we do on the football field. certainly awareness. you see the things transpiring about safety and i think it will
trickle on down. >> what the research shows, and i've been talking to dr. gupta and fran tarkenton and a number of people working on this issue, that it's repeated blows to the head. so they're saying hey, maybe kids shouldn't be playing football, youth football. maybe college, buzz is talking about the money in college and talking about safety and education. i don't know, should youth football be banned? should you limit it? >> i think jamal hit it on the head, it's the awareness. a lot of people pre-2007 did not know what this was at all. i think now what wi do at the nfl will trickle down to college and the high schools as well. but there are options out there for guys to protect themselves as far as helmets and new technology to protect the younger generation of football players. >> there's no way youth football should be banned. >> someone tweeted, i'm
surprised there's not a constitutional amendment on football, because it will never be banned. there's too much money there. it's america's sport. >> never. i asked this, if you had a child of the age to play football, would you allow him to play football? he said no way, don, no way. and jamal, your son -- >> right. >> and there are photos of them here. >> my son, jamal, you see him right there. >> do you let him play football? >> yes. last year he played for middle creek hawks. we won a championship. i'm the offensive coordinator. each parent should take it upon themselves, just like everything else, to take the personality responsibility. who is your coach? how are they coaching your kids? these things are important. >> i get that. you played the sport, though. have you been knocked out? >> have i been knocked out? i've definitely been hit hard. absolutely. >> that doesn't go through your head? >> no doubt about it, but that's you, not me. [ cell phone ]
>> blowing up the conversation. >> you're in trouble. >> what also goes through my head is how is my child being taught? that's why i took it upon myself to go onto the field. i do enjoy it. and the fact that my son wanted to play. but don't get it twisted. i certainly had long conversations about whether or not i wanted him to play so young. but i felt like the experience for me growing up was awesome. >> but you think about it. it's in the back of your head. >> it's like your kid getting on a bike or moped. you know what i mean? anything that's dangerous. >> listen, the object of riding a bike is not to be knocked off. >> i understand that, don. but we know that -- >> i understand what you're saying. lamar, if you had a son -- >> i have a 5-year-old son that plays soccer. according to sanjay gupta, he's getting kicked a lot, heading the ball a lot. so that's something to think
about playing football. but he's at the sage where he understands daddy plays football. he wants to emulate his father. one thing he will have is the education of what concussions are and to be coached correctly. i didn't have that. >> i've got a great line from andy staples. steinbrenner once said, i learned at the line of scrimmage as i ever did in books. that's steinbrenner about football. fantastic team sport, number one team sport. >> the debate will continue. thanks. when i am president, i will fight for -- an amendment that will put in place -- >> for it, against it? and a gay staffer out of a job after just two weeks from an uprising on the right. the conservatives are here. i'll ask them if mitt romney really has anyone's back but his own. l right? i don't want you going out on those yet. mmm-hmm. and just leave your phone in your purse. i don't want you texting, all right? daddy...ok!
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join the conversation now on twitter. will the real mitt romney please stand up? you've heard the rap against him, that his views on some very big issues have changed over time. so let's take gun control, for example. then and now. >> we do have tough gun laws in massachusetts. i support them. i won't chip away at them. i believe they protect us. we need a president who will enforce current laws, and not create new ones to burden gun owners. president obama has not, i will. we need a president who will stand up for the right of
hunters and sportsman. and those who seek to protect their homes and their family. president obama has not. i will. >> and you've heard even people in his own party saying he's going to flip-flop on health care and he did it on the woman's right to choose on abortion. and then romney's foreign policy spokesman quit after two weeks on the job. richard grinnel was outspoken, openly gay, and he had posted some controversial tweets. so he had his critics within the party, right? but his quit exit spotlights a question that has shadowed mitt romney's career, is there any cause or concern at romney's core? is there anything at his core? any issue on which he will not budge? so let's talk about that now with two conservatives. welcome back noel sheppard and anna navaro. good to see both of you. let me have it, and i'll let you have it. yesterday romney said his team encouraged granell to stay on the job.
he told fox news, his campaign hires people, not based on ethnicity or sexual preference, but upon their capability. we are sorry to have him go. ladies first. and i'm not being sexist. why not do this before he steps down? why not stand up for the guy before instead of after the fact? >> i think that's a good question, don. they should have let him be out there doing his job. there's been a lot of foreign policy issues discussed. in the last two to three weeks. he should have been doing his job and we could have judged him on his qualifications, which is the only thing we should be judging people on, their qualifications. so i'm disappointed with this, disappointed with how it happened. i think there's more to it than meets the eye and i know that some of the romney staff tried
very strongly to keep him on board and dissuade him from leafing, but i do issue it had been handled differently. >> do you think he felt pressure from the extremes of the party and he caved? >> there were a few folks on the conservative right who gave him some pressure. i want to think that's not what happened. >> noel, go ahead, what do you think? >> okay, here is what i think, and this might shock you or may not. i think about three weeks ago, reuters did a poll asking for people's top priority in this election. 53% said jobs and the economy. 14% said health care. 9% said family values. nowhere in this mix was gay rights issues. i think the reason why we're talking about this, and the reason why it's exploded on mitt romney is because the economy is terrible, the obama administration, the obama campaign don't want to talk about the economy, they want to talk about extraneous issues, and conceivably important ones, but not issues the public are
concerned with. >> noel, you can finish your thought, and i understand what you're saying, it's about jobs, i get that. but noel, quite honestly, that's a talking point. because this wasn't about gay rights. this was about foreign policy. he just happened to be openly gay and there were some tweets, but he is not in the job for foreign policy to make an issue out of gay rights. that logic does not make sense. >> and i very much agree with that. foreign policy in that reuters poll -- >> but you're not explaining why or giving a good reason for why he had to step down that didn't have to do with gay rights. he wasn't making it an issue for the campaign. >> i don't think that this issue was handled well by romney, although what we know about this is romney wanted him to come back. romney was not interested in him leaving. apparently this man resigned of
his own volition. how is that romney's fault that someone resigned because he was potentially feeling uncomfortable about his position? >> we have to run. i understand that, but we have to run for time purposes. we're very heavy here. but the thing is, yes, why would -- my question was, is there anything he won't -- is there anything he won't not back down about? and why not step up for the guy -- stand up for the guy before hand and instead of after? that's the question i asked anna, and that's the one i'll ask you. >> don, on the question though, is there anything he woman back -- he won't back out on? he can't back out on anything because of the wrath that you discussed at the beginning of the segment, because he's been fighting this for many years. he's got to stick to his guns at this point. certainly he can nuance his language, but let's be clear, he doesn't have the luxury of changing a position. neither the right nor the left will allow him that luxury of changing a position. >> i want to be fair to noel.
because i want noel to weigh in on what i just said. so go ahead, noel. >> the reality is that both of the presidential candidates at this point, romney and obama, have flip-flopped on their position with regard to gay rights in particular, same-sex marriage. we know that obama, in 1996 when he was a state senator, was for same-sex marriage, and in 2008, he changed. in 1994, when romney was -- >> you're right. i don't think you understand what i'm saying. this is not about gay rights. what i'm saying is why not stand up for the guy before hand? >> he said he would hire him back. >> even rick santorum stood up for his friend who people outed. who was a gay friend. i had a conversation with him. it appears from people from the outside looking in that mitt romney didn't stand up for someone that he hired and someone he had respect for. and then after the fact -- >> he's come out and said he would hire him back. so what more can he do? >> thank you, noel.
we got to go. thank you, ana. i appreciate it. >> i'morage, a bollywood producer. ashton kutcher, what was he thinking? and what was she thinking? >> she's 6 years old. >> that's not makeup. but this mom is in more trouble than ashton. ♪ [ male announcer ] virtual wallet can help you be that person who's good with money. see what's free to spend. move money with a slide. save with a shake. feel good about your decisions. but when i was diagnosed with prostate cancer... i needed a coach. our doctor was great, but with so many tough decisions i felt lost. unitedhealthcare offered us a specially trained rn who helped us weigh and understand all our options.
okay, so ashton kutcher has people talking again. this time it's over a controversial commercial that features kutcher portraying an indian man namedorage. >> i'morage, i'm a bollywood producer, looking for the most delicious thing on the planet. >> i'm seeking higher plans of consciousness. >> indian-americans demanded the ad be pulled. the makers of pop chips removed the ad and offered an apology. okay, is it fair to call ashton kutcher racist, dino? >> is it fair? probably not, because it wasn't hateful. but let's be honest. if you're a white guy and they're putting brown or black makeup on it, say no. this is ridiculous.
pop chips are all white, so there's something wrong right there. at least have an indian flavored pop chip. like a tandoori chip if you're going to make fun of indian people but it's ridiculous. he should know better. >> jamal, you were rolling your eyes when you saw it. >> i don't think ashton was trying to be racist. it was a bad interpretation. remember the mike myers movie? it was panned the same way. people were frustrated with the depiction of indians in that movie. >> maybe it's like the mary j. burger king commercial. >> maybe they just didn't think it all the way through, what did you think? ♪ indian chicken >> ana, are you there? >> yes, i am. >> maybe they didn't think it all the way through. what do you think? him in dark face, what do you think? >> you know, don, i think ashton needs to find himself another older woman. he needs a little adult supervision and good thinking in there.
>> let's talk about this new jersey mom who was charged this week with child endangerment for taking her 6-year-old to a tanning salon. she adamantly denies it. listen real quick. i want you to listen real quick. >> she's 6 years old. yes, she does go tanning with mommy, but not in the booth. >> dean, i got to be honest with you, is it fair to have a child in protective services or be called? it's hard to look at her. >> i thought she was from the ashton kutcher ad. that's ridiculous. that's the brownest face i've ever seen. if someone is drunk and go into a bar, they can't serve him. but this woman walks into a tanning salon, they should not be letting her tan. it's against the law in new jersey, they're prosecuting her for bringing her child. it's dangerous to children. to put them in a tanning bed. very scary looking person. >> the child endangerment is serious. but i don't know why we shouldn't be applauding her, because with all the serious issues going on, we needed comic
relief. and you can't look at this lady's face without cracking up. >> what! i mean, it's scary. not to be rude. but the first time i saw her, i was like, really. >> ana, you're in florida and there are lots of brown people in florida. ever seen anyone this shade of brown? >> yeah, but we're pretty brown. but that ain't pretty brown. i don't know if she was endangering her daughter, but she is endangering herself and us for having to look at her. she ain't all right in the head. >> don, i have a baseball glove from little league that looks like her. she's a scary-looking person. >> they say on the streets, you go hard on the paint, not fall in the brown paint. >> i feel bad we're making fun of this lady. what if she has a legitimate issue? maybe she has an addiction to tanning. is that legitimate? snookie has -- >> don, i learned the term this week, it's called tanorexic. you never think you're tan enough.
>> the issue with the child, you don't want to take your 6-year-old to the tanning booth. look at the mom. but this is a pattern she can't control. so that's serious. >> where do we go from here? are we making too much hay of this? probably. >> i just want one more snapshot of her. >> can we see her one more time? is there a rehab, tanning anonymous? >> is there any help she can get? >> there we go. >> hold on, hold on. part two coming up, the jewish white boy who helped change the image of rap. living in iraq during the war was pretty hard with all the explosions, the kidnappings. we wanted to come here. it was like a dream, you know? >> the united states has the most refugees in the world. many are from iraq and they're being resettled in san diego in
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>> so when you think about the world of rap, a lot of african american names come to mind. you think about them. so how did a white kid from a jewish catholic home become one of the biggest legends in the game? a combination of a gift of rhyme, a prankster's sense of humor. i'm talking about mca of the beasty boys, dead at the age of 47. he was diagnosed with cancer, forcing the beasty boys to cancel shows and push back an album so did a jewish catholic kid, when you think about african americans and you see what rap has become now, gangster, not all of it. >> you never really think about that. even though white kids are the ones who are buying mostly buying hip and hip-hop music.
>> you look at the inception of def jam and the beasty boys and public enemy and l.l. cool j., the icons of wrap. the beasty boys led that genre, the imagination, the music, what we heard. that license to ill album is a hip-hop classic. it's not even a conversation about whether or not it's a classic and influenced so many different artists. when people were listening to it, then all of a sudden people are going, wow, those guys are white, jewish guys, or what have you. but that's what def jam was about, putting out revolutionary artists that we all remember to this day. >> it's one of those stories that was a household name. we talked about this. not like the death of whitney houston who was a household name. yet he still made a mark on music and a very powerful mark. >> he made white people feel cool. i certainly connected to it. i think i was in school at the time the beasty boys were
raging. just yesterday i listened to sabotage and no sleep till brooklyn. those songs hold up. they were great. it's about fighting racism. so he was not only a music visionary, but standing up for rights for people who no one was standing up for. >> i'm sure, ana, is saying, why won't you let me in on this. ana i have something for you. how do you like your models, victoria secret style or with junk in the trunk and under the hood? we'll guess the times are changing. ♪ ♪ pop goes the world ♪ it goes something like this ♪ everybody here is a friend of mine ♪ ♪ everybody, tell me, have you heard? ♪
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so here's the skinny, too skinny and too young are no longer in, at least not with vogue magazine. vogue editors made a pact. they will not work with models under the age of 16 or who appear to have an eating disorder. they're not the first to start this practice, but they are the latest and the most recognizable. i know how you like to get your grub on. we talked about it last week. will this catch on? is it a good thing? >> i think it's got to catch on because look at the average american woman. it's a size 12. so the skinny minis may look great on tv and on the paging of voke, but they're not the average american woman. i can tell you, i'm elated. as somebody with junk in the
trunk, junk in the front and a lot of years on me, i'm happy about this. i see it as a career opportunity. >> you were like, what did she say? >> i been to the victoria secret show. beyonce, that type of -- i'm all about it. >> you can say bootylicious. >> i'm an advocate for beauty liciousness on the cover of "vogue." >> tyra's going to be back to being a supermodel. >> do you like the thickness, the bootylicious? >> i think women are beautiful in all shapes. i think they got to change the male models. i don't want guys with wash board stomachs. i want to feel better about myself. >> i don't know about that. i kind of like the male models how they look now. >> oh, double standard! >> i'm the bad guy for that one, wanting a nice thin girl. >> that's a double standard.
>> there's plenty of double standards that we women have to deal with. we'll stay with that one. >> so we'll balance it out, make sure the models are a little bit thicker. >> you guys are great. >> there they are. >> i like a combination. >> the ladies at the view, theyically them skinny bitches. >> i do find beauty in that image as well, don. >> i know you do. you wanted to weigh in on the legalized prostitution thing. >> everybody has a special talent of their own and we need to respect that. >> bye-bye. thank you, guys. see you back here tomorrow night. goodnight. çtoooowl [ truck beeping ]
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