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in its interview with. >> malia and sasha, they've got friends whose parents are same-sex couples. it wouldn't dawn on them that somehow their friends' parents would be treated differently. and that's the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective. not wanting to somehow explain to your child why somebody should be treated differently when it comes to the eyes of the law. you've got joe biden, arnie duncan coming out for gay marriage. did all of this force the president's hand.
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>> it's sort of sped up the timeline, but they insist that the president had already made up his mind on this issue a couple of months ago, after as you pointed out, in that sound bite we just heard talking to family members and friends and that the president was planning on going public with this at some point before the convention. then what followed were a lot of tough questions at a briefing this week, questioning jay carney as to when the president would reach that -- >> okay, dan lothian from the white house, thanks so much. and she's an american idol fi finalist, a grammy winner and a movie star. but jennifer hudson's -- the
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jury begins it's second day of deliberations in the trial of water vapor imagery balfour, the man prosecutors say killed her family. our ted rollins joins us once again live. when was the jury sequestered for the trial? >> reporter: they were sequestered last night, kyra. interestingly enough, after listening to the close from both sides, a very long day, the judge had them deliberate all the way to 9:30 last night. and then told them they were being sequestered. the bailiffs actually called their family and said that they would been coming home tonight and they could come to the hotel to bring them clothes. it wasn't clear how long this judge will make them go this evening if they don't come to a verdict sometime today. >> you point out that jennifer hudson has been there every single day in court? has she talked to you or can you
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get a feel for how she's dealing with all this? >> well, you can get a feel for how she's doing just by watching her in court. it's been very emotional, as you can imagine. we have had 11 days of testimony, more than 50 witnesses took the stand in this case and some of them were heart wrenching to hear for her. so she broke down and cried. she has done any interviews, she comes in with her sister, in an entrance which is blocked, so she hasn't even been shot with a camera coming in or out of court because she's here every day and we have been told by a family spokesman that she doesn't want this to be about her. whether she'll excellent afterwards, we don't know. hundreds of millions of our tax dollars paid for airport scanners that can't even detect
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under wear bombs. that's the word now from a house hearing, and even worse, apparently, officials have known about this flaw for years. a 21 page committee -- right after that failed attempt, tsa bought 500 scanners at a cost of 122 million dlrs and still plans to buy more. the prosecution is expected to wrap up its case against john edwards today without calling his mistress to the stand. rielle hunter is at the heart of this case. towards is accused of misusing campaign -- yesterday's witnesses included current white house staffer jennifer palmeri. she broke down on the stand
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the fbi's ten most wanted list. a massive man hunt is on for adam mayes. after allegedly killing their mom and sister, the focus of this story is on gun town, mississippi. mays mother-in-law says there's a very personal reason why mayes may be holding the two girls. >> the reason they were arguing so much was because there was two little girls that he was just absolutely obsessed with, he was claiming that those two children were his. >> agent ford, is that possib possible -- >> this is an open
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investigation, and we're accepting all calls on our tip line, however the primary focus is the return of the two girls to their home in tennessee and to locate and capture adam mayes. >> and that's what a lot of people are wondering, as you know, because you're the agent on this case. there's been talk of affairs and the fact that these girls might be his -- as a reason why he may have these two little girls. >> kyra, we cannot discuss the specifics of this case, we follow every lead and we explore every option. we will cover ever lead that comes in until there's no need to cover it anymore. >> do you think those girls are still alive? >> our focus is to rescue these two girls and bring them back home. and secondary that, but also a
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competing interest is to locate adam mayes and bring him back. this fbi most wanted will open up the search nationwide. >> do you think that he and the girls are still in mississippi? >> that is the last known location that he was seen. we obviously want to make sure that we exhaust every possible area of searching in that particular location before he look to other areas. >> the reward i'm told now is 175 k. given that and all the publicity, why do you think h e haze. >> the reward amount might increase someone's mind set as far as turning them in to us. and that's what we're hoping for. >> have you gotten any good,
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solid tips from the public so far. >> what i can say is that we want to encourage everybody in the public, no matter how big or small their tip is, they need to forward that to us at 1-800-tbi-find. >> you mentioned the fact that you're concerned that he's armed and dangerous, do you still believe that? >> absolutely, we consider adam mays extremely dangerous, by that we want to encourage people in the community if they come across adam mazyes, not to approach him yourself, call the authorities and let them handle it. >> this is something that a lot of journalists have been asking and also people in the public, and that is that you had this guy in questioning weeks ago, and then he was free to go. what was the reasoning for that? did you just not feel like you had enough at that point?
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i can't discuss the different techniques that law enforcement used at that time. just know that the steps that were taken were legal and legitimate at that time. >> we sure appreciate you time. thank you. and again, the reward for information leading to the break in this case now totals $175,000. if you have a tip, you are still asked to call this number, 1-800-tbi-find. she needed a good meal and a good family. so we gave her what our other cats love, purina cat chow complete. it's the best because it has something for all of our cats! and after a couple of weeks she was healthy, happy, and definitely part of the family. we're so lucky that lucy picked us. [ female announcer ] purina cat chow complete. always there for you. the health of our cells plays a key role throughout our entire lives. ♪
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some summertime fun that's how it all started. a cut that was enough for flesh eating bacteria to actually
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invade 24-year-old amy -- she's now clinging to life in critical condition. by the time doctors figured out what was happening, the flesh eating bacteria was invading her body. here's is thing, amy was just doing what a lot of us do on a nice day, spending time with friends on a kayaking trip. in this case, amy was playing around the little tallapoosa river, about five miles west of atlanta. she had hopped on a home made zip line that snapped. she fell and cut her hip. that's how it all started. a lot of us are put in that position, we go to the lake, we go swimming, that's what you do in the summer, the spring. how do you even comprehend what
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happened and how do you avoid something like that. amy has necrotising fashion united states. once it gets in you it spreads very, very quickly. as you said, she's in critical condition, you just never think this kind of thing can happen, and again, it's rare, but unfortunately 25% of people who get this disease, die from it. >> let's say our kids have some sort of scrape or wound, do you just stay out of waters that aren't clean? >> i don't think that's the solution, people go swimming, i know lots of people who have gone swimming in that river. i don't think that so much's the issue. you keep an eye on it. any time your child has a cut,
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you keep an eye on it. most of the time it's going to heal just fine, but if it starts looking a little red, a little swollen, a little out of the ordinary, then you should start thinking is this something i should pay attention to? >> could this have been prevented then? >> it took about four visits to the doctor to diagnose this. at one point she went to the doctor in terrible pain and they gave her a painkiller and sent her home. it sounds terrible, but it's very hard to diagnose. all of us get cuts. >> what you look for is smung usual. for example if your child or if this happens to you, disproportionate pain, and what i mean by that, i mean extremely painful, by the time she went to the hospital that last time, she had to be carried in, she was in so much pain. so terrible pain and maybe not just where the cut is, but in that whole region of the body.
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you're always sore from a cut, but really, really sore is what we're talking about. the other thing you want to watch for is flu-like symptoms, if you got a cut that's not looking so great, but also there's fever and weakness, and also swelling. you're not necessarily going to have all of these things, really the disproportionate pain is the main thing to look for. amy's family has created a facebook page where you can actually find updates about her condition and also ways to help. you can make monetary donations at united community bank in carolton, and also blood donations at the university of west georgia college during a blood drive that's going to take place next wednesday. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you?
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pitcher. amanda. >> a girl? >> grab a bat, punk. >> okay, now it's 2012 and you would think that this is a nonissue. but not for second base woman page, she's a freshman at mesa preparatory academy and the only female on her arizona baseball team. they were going to play our lady of sorrows academy at the school's state championship in arizona last night. but at the last minute t lady of sorrows boycotted. the catholic school refuses to give a reason why, but says they will release a statement soon. however page's mom says it's pretty obvious. she told the website, it wasn't that they were afraid they were going to hurt or injure her, it's that they believe that a
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well, it's misk historic, potentially president obama was planning to announce his support for same-sex marriage next week on the daytime talk show "the view." but sunday's remarks by vice president biden sped things up a bit. biden said he was absolutely comfortable with men marrying men or with women marrying women. and then the president let his position known in an interview with nbc news. the beating death of kelly thomas has rocked fullerton, california. raising allegations of police brutality. now these two fullerton police officers will stand trial for
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thomas's death. the ruling comes after expert testimony and evidence like this was shown in court. it's revealing video of kelly thomas being beaten, tased, repeatedly by fullerton cops. >> no! no! >> here's our casey wian with the latest details. >> reporter: after a three-day preliminary hearing, an orange county judge ruled that two fullerton county police officers must stand trial for their roles in the beating death of a homeless man last july. the video shows officers threatening the homeless man kelly thomas, also hitting him, punching him, tasing him, hitting him in the face with fists and the butt of a taser.
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the man died from blood in his lungs and from the injuries horrifically sustained in that beeting. defense attorneys also tried to suggest that the officers were simply acting lawfully trying to restrain a combative suspect. but in the end, the judge ruled -- manual rama is charged with second-degree murder. also he is facing manslaughter charges. officer jay sishonell is also facing manslaughter charges and excessive use of force. the defense attorney for ramos suggested that they will challenge the ruling by the judge in this preliminary hearing. but the family of homeless man kelly thomas said they were
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relieved, many of them sat through these three days of hearings in horror, some of them had to leave the courtroom, when the dramatic video of the beating was played, and when autopsy photos were shown. casey wian, cnn, santa ana, california. >> it's important to note that ramos and sishonelli have pleaded not guilty to those charges. thomas's dad ron said this actually after the judge's ruling. >> it's going to be painful for a long time. this pain in my heart is going to reopened, losing my son again, and again, and again, just plays over and over for me. and watching child porn online in new york is not a crime. you heard me right. that's what the new york court
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of appeals ruled this week. the court's decision centers around the case of a former college professor, and according to reuters, the appeals court essentially reasoned simply watching child porn is passive and different from actually possessing, printing, saving or downloading child porn. and he's been an immigration thorn in the side of the government for a long time. now the feds are suing controversial sheriff joe arpaio. a justice department letter says that arpaio and his department have failed to answer alleged racial profiling. quote, a pervasive culture of discriminatory bias against latinos that reaches the highest levels of the agency. arpaio has repeatedly denied in the are filing.
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>> when you told me this was going to happen, i sat back and i was surprised as a lot of people are. let's just talk about how big this commencement speech is. >> liberty university has become over the years a good stop for a lot of officers, it's a great community for the university to showcase the university. it's a great opportunity for governor romney to speak to 30,000 people, mostly conservatives, and evangelicals in one spot from all 50 states. and i think it will be a great day for everybody. >> talk about the platform, all the people, what this could do. obviously it's coming to this controversy, we'll get to that in a moment. but the news into the evening
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and today of course is the fact that the president of the united states came out in support of gay marriage. you know, in 2008, obama overperformed among evangelicals based on his record, now he's supporting openly gay marriage. how do you think that that's going to make an impact on the evangelicals this year. in. >> in 2008, senator balm campaigning, said marriage ought to be between a man and a woman and that's governor rom any's position and now the president's position is different. so you have a contrast and volter also pick. >> i think the missing piece of a jigsaw puzzle when it comes to the enthusiasm issue behind the
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romney campaign, that piece may have been handed to him yesterday by the president. i think it's clear now there is a contrast on this key issue. now i thought this election was going to be all about the economy and jobs. i think we're going to see another presidential election in which the issue of marriage is going to be front and center in the debate. >> what do you think, the president coming forward saying he supports gay marriage, does this push evangelicals even closer to romney? >> i think it will push a significant majority of evangelicals closer to him. i think the economy is still an important issue to everyone. but again, we have a clear contrast that was maybe less clear previously. >> now the controversial part, students, not too happy that a mormon is giving the commencement speech at liberty university. a number of the students making comments on facebook. this one in particular i want you to respond to. the student says i can't support romney and i'm happy that i
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decided not to walk in the commencement this year. liberty university should have got an christian to speak, not someone who practices a cult. shame on you liberty university. >> we want all students to enjoy their graduation, but he obviously doesn't know and some may not know, actually in recent years a majority of liberty university commencement speakers is outside of the christian faith. mitt romney is the third mormon. in the last several years, we had a catholic, a jew, and another mormon. so we think students would like to hear in most part would like to hear from someone who very well could be the next president of the united states and it's a great opportunity. >> so what do you think the biggest misunderstanding is for these folks about mitt romney? >> i don't know. but they'll get a good
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opportunity to hear from him, to see him up close and over the next six months, draw conclusions, but i think, you know, primaries are one thing, when you have a choice of six or eight or ten candidates to choose from, then the process whittles it down to a point where we are now, where one of these two men will be the next president of the united states and people need to look at these two and get on with making a choice, i think. >> you obviously knew jerry falwell senior very well. he was a mentor to you. how do you think he would feel about this? >> this would be a proud die for jerry fallwell. he actually met governor romney, just seven months before he died in 2007, jerry falwell did, in the government's home in massachusetts. and it was a very warm meeting that i was part of. and he had a lot of respect and admiration for him. and as the founder of liberty
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university, i think jerry falwell senior will be very proud on saturday. he loved these kinds of days where the university could be on full display to a large audience and to -- and to host a prominent leader, which the governor certainly is. so this was his kind of day. >> well, we are eager to see how this turns out, the response that it has. and i know we'll be talking to his son, reverend fall well on sunday. liberty calls itself the largest evangelical university in the world with 82,500 students on campus or online. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and... is concentrated, so you could use less gel.
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let's solve this. i think it's pretty obvious what we're going to be talking about in fair game. the president says he supports game marriage -- all right, crystal, let's start with you, your reaction to the president's announcement. >> this has been a public relations disaster from day one. you know, vice president biden's
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blunder over the weekend, just mushroomed into a further nightmare if you will. because moments later, after biden said he such ported same-sex marriage, you had the white house senior advisor david axelrod saying, yeah, president obama agrees with vice president biden and then jay carney of course couldn't talk his way out of a paper bag over the mess. i think it was an awful move and it looks calculated, he's trying to play the american people for stupid. it's going to alienate voters, he should have stayed on the fence and let it blow over. but he's showing what matters is the gay vote matters over all the other votes for him. >> i agree with crystal, this was a very courageous you move for president obama. in his interview on abc where he
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talked about this, he was very sincere and very passionate about how he got to where he is. and i think it mirrors a lot of the journey that the american people are going through as well. i think they will relate to that. it is a difficult issue, at the end of the day, though, he is going to be on the right side of history. we see now polls are showing narrow majorities of americans agree with same-sex marriage, agree with equality for all americans, at the end of the day, this was what it was all about. it was not a calculated move, if it was, he wouldn't have done this. i think to americans who will admire him for this, this was something he wanted to do based on his christian faith and based on hiss american values and principles. >> let me follow up on that, maria, let's look at family voters, hispanic voters and now
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being gay with register -- backed into a corner. this isn't something we said, oh, let me pick wednesday to talk about this, he was backed into a corner because of biden's blupder. and hiss white house spokesperson couldn't handle this. back to your question, african-american voters hopefully do not support gay marriage. that's why it was not put on the ballot in maryland. that's why over the last ten years, every time it's been put on a state ballot, which has been 30 times, the american people vote it down, they are not supportive of same-sex marriage no matter what the polls say, maria. and hispanics, is the same thing, i had several independents talk to me this morning that the president coming out about same-sex
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americans -- when we put the matter on the pal lot, we see where the american people stand, it's not a civil rights issue, it's an issue of marriages between a man and a woman. president obama once again used a gimmick, by going on "good morning america" by talking to a black reporter, because he thought, oh, let me leak it to robin roberts, and this will apiece some of the 95 million black american voters who voted for me. black americans who are very upset at the president. >> maria, is floor is yours. >> crystal, either it's a calculated move to get more votings or it's of african-amer voters, i agree, it is very difficult. this is a community that is very traditional, but you know what? a lot of pastors that have been talking on the air say that this is a community that will continue to support president obama overall even though they may disagree with him on this
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voters. in terms of latino voters, you're very wrong on this. i'm doing a piece on this for cnn.com, 73% of latino voters in this country actually support equal rights for the lgbt community in terms of marriage equality, period. they ends -- >> they -- >> they understand that discrimination is wrong, and they support equality. there are a lot of gay hispanic americans, a lot of gay african-americans which is why at the end of the day president obama is going to be on the right side of this issue when it's looked at in history. yes, it's a risky political move, but, again, courageous. it shows leadership, and i think americans will admire him for that at the end of the day. >> ladies, we've got to leave it there. >> okay. >> we've got to leave it there. crystal, i know, the two of you will be talking on the break. crystal and maria, thank you, ladies. that's "fair game." j.r. martinez is just one great american in uniform that has been forever affected by war. he was burned over 40% of his
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body by an ied. so when it comes to talking about troops returning from war zones around the world and facing life altering challenges, he is a perfect voice. j.r. martinez takes a closer look at our vets who are coming home struckling to find work in voters in america. >> when i was asked to be part of this document air, i absolutely said yes right off the bat because it's important to raise awareness about guys coming home. >> welcome home. >> and how difficult it is for them to find employment. >> we've been watching you for the whole year, the whole time. you knocked it out of the park over there, and we're so proud of you and glad to have you home. so let me hear one more big georgia hoo-ya. >> coming home finding work, that's what's on everybody's find right now. >> a federal law protects the jobs of national guard soldiers. those who had jobs before they left can go back to them. but half the soldiers of the 877
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are coming home unemployed. >> when you left your job, you were supposed to let them know you were going for military service. did you all do that? >> some of our soldiers are going on multiple deployments because they don't have employment in the civilian sector. others, where they work is going out of business, so the protections that are in place aren't applicable. sometimes they are getting terminated against the protections that are in place. >> you have to return to work under the guidelines. >> some of them are young and they don't have transferrable skills. some of them don't know how to turn a military resume into a civilian resume. >> a lot of certifications and stuff from the military don't transfer. could you have thousands and thousands of road hours as a truck driver in the national guard and you don't have a license to drive civilian. >> what you're about to go into is no different from a combat zone. think about that, you're going home and it says it's no different than a combat zone. >> the 877th out of the georgia
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national guard is not unique in their challenges. we're seeing units that are coming back are experiencing similar rates of half or more than half of their unit being unemployed. it's never been critical like it is now.
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investigators are still searching for clues after a man was found dead in a barn stall hours after the kentucky derby. the victim's son believes that the killer could be wandering around churchill downs. wilson perez spoke exclusively with our ed lavandera.
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>> reporter: the mystique of kentucky derby day draws tens of thousands to watch a milliona e millionair millionaires' game. what many people might not know about horse racing is that on that side of the racetrack it's a completely different world. that's where all the fanfare and the beauty of race day takes place. it's a different story on this side of the track. this is the forgotten side of a horse track. it's called the backside, a secluded world of transient workers in the horse racing industry. some 600 people live on the backside of churchill downs in louisville, kentucky. it's where 19-year-old wilson perez worked alongside his father, adan perez. wilson perez is speaking about his father's murder for the first time. how difficult has these last days been?
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wilson says it's been very hard supporting everyone in my family. i need to stay strong. wilson perez is one of adan's seven children. their family lives in guatemala. wilson begged his father to bring him to the united states two years ago so they could work together. they groomed horses, son walking in father's footsteps. wilson says the last time he spoke to his father was around 11:30 saturday night just a few hours after the final race of derby day. wilson says his father called from a restaurant. he was out with friends. he said everything sounded normal in that phone call, that he called to ask him where he was and what he was doing, but everything sounded normal. about five hours later adan perez turned up dead. this is barn number eight where the body of adan perez was found, and the barn backs up to
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the racetrack itself. this is the back stretch. you can see the twin spires in the background there. this is where the horses ran on the backstretch of the kentucky derby. stable hand hugo fernandez shows us where the body was left. access is mostly restricted. workers carry special identification which heightens the mystery. is the killer living among those who work here. >> the outside world doesn't know this world. >> reporter: chaplain ken boms says this immigrant community keeps to themselves. workers are transyet, mo of from horse track to horse track. the work is exhausting seven days a week, no vacation. some clean barns, groom and feed horses. workers can live for free on these grounds. most come from central america. workers tell us most people earn between $250 and $800 a week. wilson perez hasn't stopped
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working even as he tries to get his father's body buried in guatemala. says he wants answers for what's happened here and he wants whoever is responsible to be found guilty. he can only wait for investigators to solve his father's mysterious murder. ed lavandera, cnn, louisville, kentucky. and for more on the churchill downs investigation, you can go to cnn.com. thanks for watching, everyone. you can continue the conversation with me on twitter @kyra cnn. cnn "newsroom" continues with suzanne malveaux. live from cnn headquarters in atlanta where it's 12:00 noon, 9:00 a.m. on the west coast. i'm suzanne malveaux. want to get you up to speed for this thursday, may 10th. president obama stirs up the national debate over same-sex marriage after announcing that
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he thinks gay people should be allowed to marry. >> i have just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> political pundits are weighing in on what this means for the november election. we're also listening to you, what you're saying about same-sex marriage. >> i am in support of gay marriage. >> do i support gay marriage? no, i don't. like i said, it's unnatural. god didn't set it up that way. it kind of destroys the whole sanctity of what marriage is. >> we'll have much more from supporters as well as opponents. we'll talk about the political implications of the president's historic announcement. this is an enormous bomb crater in the center of damascus, syria.
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two explosions. police say they were suicide car bombings that killed at least 55 people, wounded almost 400 others. it is the single deadliest attack in damascus since the rebel uprising began more than a year ago. more than 1,000 people have been killed in syria since last month when a u.n. cease-fire went into effect. an army mom and dad say they don't believe the government is doing enough to get their son back. we're talking about the parents of bo, the only american p.o.w. from the war in afghanistan. his parents are speaking publicly for first time since his capture three years ago. his family tells "the new york times" that the government has secretly been negotiating a prisoner swap aimed at freeing their son but they're frustrated by the lack of progress. they have not heard from their son in more than a year. two california police officers are going to stand trial for the beating death of a mentally ill homeless man last year. the surveillance video very
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disturbing. it shows these officers, kelly thomas with batons beating, kneeling on his chooeest, taser him. thomas died three days later. both officers face involuntary manslaughter charges. let the olympic journey begin. this is pretty cool. actors dressed in traditional greek costumes lit the olympic torch at the site of the first olympics in ancient greece. the lighting marks the start of the flame's week-long journey to great britain. once long the torch will begin an 8,000 mile trek across the uk before arriving in london just in time for the 2012 olympic games in late july. this is a question that is dividing the country in half. should same-sex couples be allowed to marry? well, now president obama has jumped into the fray just six months before he's up for re-election. he says his views on gay marriage have evolved over the years. dan lothian is taking a look at
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what the presidents a said in the past and now what he is saying today. >> for me personal ly it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> reporter: president obama made the announcement wednesday in an interview with abc news becoming the first sitting u.s. president to publicly support same-sex marriage. his remarks come on the heels of north carolina passing a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, and vice president biden's public support on "meet the press" on sunday. >> i am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. >> reporter: presumptive republican nominee mitt romney reiterated his longstanding position on the issue after the president's interview. >> my view is that marriage
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itself is a relationship between a man and a woman and that's my own preference. >> mr. obama once opposed same-sex marriage but says his stance on the issue evolved after conversations with the first lady, his daughters, and friends. >> i have always been adamant that gay and lesbian americans should be treated fairly and equally. >> reporter: in 1996, then illinois senate candidate barack obama supported marriages for same-sex couples. in a questionnaire for a gay newspaper he responded, i favor legalizing same-sex marriages and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages. by 2004 the political climate was demanding clarity. in a debate obama clarified. >> i believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. >> reporter: that was before this, his 2004 convention speech. >> we coach little league in the blue states, and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red
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states. >> reporter: and then once in the white house -- >> my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. everyone ought to be treated equally and everybody deserves to be able to live and love as they see fit. >> reporter: with a nation split on the issue of same-sex marriage, the president called his endorsement one of personal conviction with less than six months before the election. a decision fraught with political implications. >> dan is joining us live. dan, you got that one right. political implications and really a risky move when you think about this. there are some people who believe that this is going to galvanize those who were not inspired by mitt romney, the social conservatives, to come out in droves now to support him. is that something that the obama campaign is worried about? >> reporter: well, they certainly hear that, but they also believe that they can energize the base with this move. i mean, there's been a lot of pressure on this president to come out and provide some clarity from the left, and, you
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know, one way that you see the white house or at least the re-election campaign pushing this theme is that last night they sent around a mass e-mail laying out how the president came to his decision, the role that his daughters played in coming to that decision, and then raising support around that message. they also focus on some of the polling that's out there. they're quite aware of the fact that, yes, this is a very important issue. social issues are very important, but ultimately the american people care most about fixing the economy and economic issues and jobs. >> what's the calculation here, dan, when it comes to the african m.a.s.h. community? back in 2008 he got nearly 95% from that group. if you listen to the popular radio host tom joiner this morning, there were a lot of people calling in and they were not happy with obama's support of same-sex marriage. is there concern from the white house that perhaps some black voters might just sit it out this time? >> you know, and that's an important issue because i also heard that on the radio this
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morning. they're also aware of those media reports out there and also these interview that is have been conducted not only by african-american community leaders but also some of these pastors but what they're focused on is the fact of what some of them are saying, which is, yes, they might not be happy with what the president did here, but ultimately they still plan to support him. >> and finally, dan, here we are talking about same-sex marriage today. we are not talking about the economy. we're not talking about national security. does the obama administration, does the president, feel confident that he is setting and controlling the agenda here, the focus of the debate? >> reporter: they do. when you talk about these social issues, they don't see this as part of any sort of policy agenda here. they don't see this as the cornerstone of the campaign. they still believe that it's all about the economy, and while the president today is out west doing some major fund-raising, he will also tomorrow visit reno where he will be talking again
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about the economy, specifically about what his administration plans to do in order to help those struggling homeowners stay in their homes. >> all right. dan, good to see you, as always. thanks, dan. here is a rundown on some of the stories we're covering. first, very different reactions from americans on the president's support for same-sex marriage. >> it's really out of sync. >> pretty spectacular for us. >> and i talk to a pastor as well as a median from the rigco the right and left. and these two truly an odd couple in the issue of gay rights. and thin do you think you have enough money to retire? most americans don't. half of them not even saving. here are the latest numbers. and also don't forget, you can watch cnn live on your computer while you're at work. head to cnn.com/tv. [ male announcer ] fighting pepperoni heartburn and pepperoni breath?
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[ male announcer ] fast relief, fresh breath, all in a pocket sized pack. the buzz today is over president obama coming out in support of same-sex marriage, and what it means for the november election. is going to hurt him among la i latino voters? i want to bring in republican consultant alex castellanos. here is how the obama team portrays it in an ad they put out overnight. >> same sex couples should be able to get married.
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>> i indicated my view, which is i do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and i don't favor civil unions if they're identical to marriage other than by name. >> so some of the other things they talk about is that romney would deny health insurance for same-sex partners, adoptions, emergency medical decisions, all those kinds of things. how does the romney campaign counter this because it seems like a very strong case here when you portray this issue as one of rights. >> well, there's certainly that's the case the president is making. but i think many republicans would make the case that it's also a case of rights on the republican side, that your religious principles may compel you to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that's understandable and should be respected. romney's position has been consistent on this. as governor in massachusetts, you know, a state that was leaning the other way, he opposed gay marriage and stopped
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it in massachusetts years ago. >> it's pretty tough when you look at the case if you say, look, this is about health insurance, this is about medical emergencies, this is about kids. i mean, do you think that he really has a winning argument? >> well, i think actually, and to the president's credit, overall i think this is going to be a net minus for the president. i think he stood up for something here that may end up hurting him more than helping him. so i'm not sure that it's a liability for republicans politically. you know, president obama's not going to lose republican voters on this. he doesn't have any. he's not going to lose black voters on this because he's a historic figure. he is going to lose, i think, a few reagan democrats in ohio and pennsylvania and michigan and north carolina, working class white males, for example, that have their names on their work shirts when they go to work who culturally just think this is a bridge too far for them. so admire the president for doing that.
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there is a political plus for the president here, and that is it does intensify his base and the president, i think their campaign is i'll give up the middle, but i'll intensify the base and crank that out, and that's i think their campaign. >> you are a republican. you also support same-sex marria marriage. what do you think of what the president did? >> well, you know, i think this is the way the country is going, and i think it's the right thing to do. if we're republicans and we think big government is a bad idea telling you how to live your life, then why should big government be telling people who they can love and who they can marry? big government doesn't become a good thing for republicans just because, say, it agrees with us. so i think there's an inconsistency there for us. but also, you know, the next generation of voters, this is a country that i think has opened its heart to everybody in that next generation. it's a big wave coming that thinks you ought to be able to marry whoever you want, and
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republicans are either going to get swamped by that wave or they're going to ride that wave, so politically i think we have to address it, and i think morally we have to address it just to be consistent with our principles. >> do you think mitt romney is on the wrong side of this issue then, the wrong side of history when it comes to this? >> you know, i think history is going in a different direction, but i'm not going to say mitt romney is on the wrong side of this because i understand where he comes from. you know, for him this is a matter of faith. i don't think that people who oppose gay marriage are haters. when you see americans in 32 different states opposing gay marriage amendments, these are folks that are parents, they are our friends. a lot of folks say marriage meant something when i accepted it as a religious sacrament and now somebody is trying to change the rules, and i think that's an argument that you may think is outweighed by other factors. i do, but i understand it and respect it, and i think we would actually advance the cause a
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little more if we spoke a little more civilly about people who feel the other way. >> all right. alex, thanks. good to talk to you as walls. hollywood chiming in on president obama's announcement. celebrities turning to twitter. neil patrick harris tweeted president obama announces his support for same-sex marriage. bravo mr. president and thank you. from ellen degeneres, thank you, president barack obama, for your beautiful and brave words. i am overwhelmed. tyra banks tweeted this, a fierce day for my gays and my prez, barack obama. way to stand up for love for all. and from alec 3w58d wbaldwin, obama gets it right on gay marriage. bravo. comedian wanda sykes married her partner four years ago. we'll talk to her about what the president's comments mean to her personally. ♪
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the president says yes. the nation today reacting. americans are evenly split over same-sex marriage. that's what everybody is talking about now that president obama has come out in favor of it. actress and comedienne wanda sykes joins us by phone from los angeles to talk about it. wanda, great to -- i can't see you but i can hear you. thanks for being a part of the
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show here. so -- >> good thing you can't see me because i look a mess right now. >> well, hopefully you're not in your pajamas. we're seeing beautiful pictures of you and your partner, alex. you got married back in october 2008. you have beautiful twins. tell us, first of all, just your reaction to the president's endorsement. >> oh, i was overwhelmed. i still have a smile on my face. you know, it's like you said, he came out basically, and to have that support, there's just not enough words. to know that the most powerful man in the world recognizes your family and, you know, and is supportive, it just means -- it just means so much. >> do you think when your kids grow up, the twins, do you think it will have an impact on how they feel about themselves and their parents? >> oh, definitely, definitely. you know, we had the news on,
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and, you know, i was pointing to the tv and, you know, telling the kids, that's president obama, you know, he supports us. and, of course, they're 3 and they're looking at me like can't you turn back the "sesame street" please? i need to see elmo, you know. it's going to mean so much to them. and also it's funny, kids who are born in this generation having an african-american president is not going to be as big a deal. i actually tease them and i say, see, you're going to have to work a little bit harder being white kids to be president. >> we're looking at some pictures of you and alex but we also see you at the white house correspondents dinner back in 2009. you had a chance to spoof the president and the first lady. did you ever take them aside and talk to them and talk to them about gay rights or nudge them a little bit and say this would mean a lot to me? >> you know, what i do is
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basically just in my actions and just in my life. i was at the dinner, and i had my wife with me. and when i met him, i introduced him to my wife as my wife, and the same thing with the first lady, and they both were very gracious and warm. the first lady even made some jokes to my wife about having to put up with me, and, you know, my wife is french and they were about to take a trip, the first lady and the girls, they were about to take a trip over to france, so, you know, they just had a conversation, and to me that said it all. that, you know, we were welcomed and didn't really have to make a big deal or a statement to me. that just said it. >> do you think the president needs to do more? should he do more? obviously this is a very big deal, that he's supporting this. do you think he should take it a
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step further and introduce legislati legislation? >> good lord. i mean, how much more can the man do? you know, to me no other sitting u.s. president has ever been a support -- openly been in support of marriage equality. what i want him to focus on right now is getting re-elected and then we'll see what else. is there more to do? definitely. but right now my focus is to -- and where i hope what happens and his focus is to get re-elected. >> i want folks to see a little bit about what you've done here. you're one of many celebrities who is featured in think before you speak campaign targeting anti-gay language. >> so gay. >> it's really gay. >> please don't say that. >> what? >> don't say that something is gay when you mean that something is dumb or stupid. it's insulting. it's like if i thought this pepper shaker was stupid and i
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said, man, this pepper shaker is so 16-year-old boy with a cheesy mustache. just saying. when you say that's so gay, do you realize what you say? knock it off. >> wanda, what do you think about that? do you think that attitudes are changing in our society here? do you think that message that you're trying to convey there is actually making a difference? >> i think so. i mean, i think people -- people who want to change or people who want to be correct, you know, and not be hurtful, i think it helps them. first i have a lot of friends who are special ed teachers or, you know, they work with kids with learning disabilities, and they got on me years ago. i was saying stuff and i said retarded. they said, hey, don't say that. i'm like, you know what?
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they're right. i would never use that word in years since. and i think it goes the same thing with this. and who it really helps is i had so many kids who have come up to me and thanked me for doing that because they said it helped them, you know, discuss that with their friends, and just to move forward. i'm proud to be a part of it and it's -- you know, it's good to have that out there. >> and wanda, finally, this is an issue that a lot of people are split on here. they're divided. when you take a look at some of the polls. you talk to people and it looks like it's pretty evenly split. is there something you would like to convey to people who do not approve your union with alex? is there anything you feel you could say or do that might help you understand your point of view, where you're coming from? >> it's just that, you know, as
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americans we all have the right to -- we all should have the right to love who we want to love and to, you know, have our families and to have the same rights. and it's not -- people keep making it a religious, you know, a religious topic or reference point, but there's so many things that married people get to do that we don't get to do although we are legally married in california. it involves -- it's not just about religion. marriage is about there's health care, immigration, taxes. we pay different taxes. if marriage was strictly a religious thing, that it was just something that you went to your church and that's all it was, then fine. but this is -- this carries on
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into so many other aspects of your life, and everyone should be able to enjoy those same privileges. next of kin. next of kin is not even -- we don't even get to have that. you should see the stacks of legal documents we had to go through to a lawyer just to try to work out things in case something does happen, you know, to each other and married people you don't have to do all that. >> wanda sykes, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you so much for calling in and talking to us. really appreciate it, and thank you for sharing very openly your life with al elects and your children as well. thank you. >> thank you very much, suzanne. appreciate it. suzanne, suzanne, say it right. >> you got it right. next hour african-american pastor who supported president obama in the last election. he is angry over the stand -- other obama's stand on gay marriage. we'll talk to ralph martino about his views. uncover stronger, younger looking skin.
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same-sex marriage is front and center mast to president obama. many observers is watching what happens now in california. an appeals court recently ruled the state's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional. that was a victory for two powerhouse lawyers usually on opposite sides. one, ted olson, a republican, and david boies, democrat. here is the story by gloria borger. >> reporter: it's a script that could have been written in hollywood. the opening shot, a lunch in the polo lounge at the beverly hills hotel. and it starts where you might expect, with a hollywood heavy hitter. director and actor rob reiner. >> this was after proposition 8 went the wrong way for us. >> reporter: the lunch took place in november 2008, a week after the election. obama won the white house, but
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gays and lesbians lost the right to marry in california. >> we're trying to figure out what we do next. and then we thought about the idea of a possible legal challenge to proposition 8, and ser ren dip tusly, a friend of my wife's came by the table. >> reporter: the frent suggested they would find an ally in her former brother-in-law, who turned out to be ted olson, a towering figure in the conservative legal movement. so that stunned you, right? >> it more than stunned me, but i said if this is true, this is the home run of all times. i mean, the idea that ted olson, this arch conservative, solicitor general for george bush who had argued bush v. gore and basically put me in bed for a couple days i was so depressed after bush v. gore was interested in gay rights. i thought, let's check it out.
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>> reporter: but didn't you have any doubts about ted olson? >> you know, they say that politics makes strange bedfellows. well, you don't have a stranger bedfoal e! than me and ted olson. >> i was skrep ki it will. >> chad griffin was also at the polo lounge that day. he and rob reiner are old friends and political allies. they met when chad was just 19 and a press aide in the clinton white house. >> good morning, mr. president. >> how are you today? >> reporter: he game reiner the west wing tour when the director was scouting for his film "an american president." they decided griffin would be the one to make that first uneasy call to olson. >> much to my surprise it was an issue he had clearly thought a lot about. but the moment i hung up the phone, i realized there was a chance i was talking to someone who overnight could become the most important, significant advocate for marriage equality that this movement has ever seen. >> we talked for a while on the telephone, and then he said can
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i come and talk to you in your office in washington, d.c. >> reporter: weren't you stunned? >> i wasn't so stunned. i'm a lawyer. i represent cases involving the constitution. this is an important constitutional question. yes, i think that we hurt people when we tell them they're no good. we tell them that they're not equal to us, and we say your loving relationship doesn't count? the words in the california constitution are that your relationship is not recognized. what harm do we do? what harm do we do to those individuals every day, to fair their family, to their friends? we're putting a badge on them that says unequal, and that's contrary to everything we believe in this country. >> reporter: so ted olson took the meeting with griffin. they kept it a secret though. you are with donald rumsfeld --
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after all, olson is a conservative legal icon. one of the first things you see when you walk through your door in this office is a picture of ronald reagan. >> he was a wonderful, wonderful man to know and to work for. and, of course, president bush is here, too. >> reporter: that would be bush xliii. >> i will to the best of my ability. >> reporter: the president whose election olson successfully defended before the supreme court in 2000. a memory that wasn't lost on chad griffin. >> i knew i was in foreign territory, but i saw enough in that office to know just how republican of a world that ted olson comes from, and my world could not be more different than that. >> reporter: also on display was olson's extraordinary legal track record with 44 supreme court victories under his belt. and here are the quills. you get one of these -- >> every time you argue a case in the supreme court at the desk is the quill.
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>> reporter: weeks later reiner says the deal was sealed here in his california home. was this kind of like an out of body experience for you? here you are sitting and talking to ted olson, whom you probably regarded as -- >> yeah, the enemy. >> the devil, they say. the devil. >> reporter: now what are you? >>well, i'm the devil to a different group of people. >> it really is a betrayal that everything ted olson has purported to stand for. >> ed whalen, a conservative legal analyst and former olson fan, now, like many conservatives, feels betrayed. >> he was someone who fought the good fight. i think most people assumed he was a man of principle. i thought it was a shocking act on his part. >> reporter: so do you think he has destroyed his reputation? >> i think so. >> this is a case that challenges the status of individuals. >> reporter: so why did olson do it? >> people say you must be doing this because someone in your family is gay. that is not the case.
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i'm doing this because i think it's the right thing to do. >> reporter: and once olson made the decision, it became an emotional journey. >> younger woman who works here is a lawyer. she came up to me, and she said, ted, i want to tell you what i think about what you're doing. she said i'm a lesbian. i don't think you know me. we haven't worked together. my partner and i have children. i can't tell you what you're doing for us by taking this case, and she started to cry, and then i did. >> reporter: then olson made another move right out of central casting. he wanted to hire a co-counsel. of all people, the liberal david boies, his former supreme court rival, the man he beat in bush versus gore. the director loved it. >> when he suggested that we get david boies to be his co-counsel, i thought, wow, to get the two guys who opposed
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each other on bush v. gore to team up was saying that this is a nonpartisan issue. >> they share an abiding belief -- >> reporter: not to mention irresistible public relations. >> i think ted recognized that this odd bedfellows combination would get a lot of attention. >> reporter: some people call them the odd couple. >> well, it is a very odd couple, isn't it? >>. >> reporter: for is it? >> as we were getting ready to argue bush versus gore -- >> in the chambers. >> we said some day someone is going to come to us who will want to get married, and they'll be gay, and we'll do this together. we actually talked about that. >> that second part i don't remember. >> california's same-sex marriage fight goes before a full appeals court soon. many expect it's eventually going to make its way up to the supreme court all because an alliance of two of the nation's most prominent lawyers, one democrat, one republican.
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election. >> let us in! >> reporter: it was the historic case that decided the presidency and divided the nation. olson and boyz were the ones on the steps of the supreme court battling it out. that was en. this is now. on the streets of new york, they're talking anything but the law. >> it's called crazy heart. jeff bridges. >> i know, i know. i haven't seen that. i want to see that though and "avatar." >> reporter: they have come a long way. let me play a little game with you, okay? great lawyer. >> ted. >> david. >> reporter: okay. the adversaries are now friends, really good friends. and when we asked to meet with them, they suggested a personal spot. david boies' apartment in new york city. >> reporter: if anybody had said to me nine years ago that i was about to be interviewing the two men who fought each other tooth and nail in bush versus gore on the same side of a
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constitutional fight, i would have said, are you crazy? >> actually david and i talked about this in 2000 as we were getting ready to argue in the supreme court that some day we'd like to be on the same side in the united states supreme court. and we said -- >> in chambers. >> and we said some day someone is going to come to us who will want to get married and they will be gay. >> reporter: it would take nearly a decade for that to actually happen. >> what do we want? >> reporter: olson was recruited by a group of hollywood activists who wanted to challenge proposition 8, the controversial 2008 ballot initiative that banned same-sex marriage in california. >> good morning, everyone. thank you for being here. >> reporter: he said yes, which was startling enough, but he knew he needed some political balance on the team. so he picked up the phone. >> he told me what the case was about and i think it took me about 15 seconds -- >> no, it didn't even take you 15 seconds. it took you less than one
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second. >> reporter: it was a case made for david boies, and olson knew it. >> i think it is in some senses the last major civil rights battle that we're fighting in this country hopefully. this is not a liberal conservative issue. it's not a republican/democratic issue. it's an issue of civil rights and human rights. >> reporter: do you find yourself defending ted olson to your democratic friends when they say to you how could you work with him 1234. >> if i find myself defending ted olson to my republican friends. the democratic friends are easy. it's the republican friends i have the trouble with. >> reporter: politics aside, their wives joke they're like an old married couple. they go biking together and both enjoy the finer things. what do you like about each other? >> where should we start? should we start with the wine or -- >> reporter: let's start with the wine. after a long day, a glass of -- >> or a short day. >> exactly. >> reporter: they have known each other for decades as super
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lawyers practicing in a rarified legal stratosphere. then came bush versus gore, the hottest case of all. a case that to this day they don't agree on. do you sti thil you were rigll right? >> absolutely. >> well, he wasn't obviously. the supreme court decided. furthermore, by the way, the journalists all went back to florida and counted these votes about 12 different ways and it all came out the same way. >> it didn't come out all the same way. j >> reporter: they will never resolve that professional argument but that case brought them together personally. >> you get so deeply involved in a case that about the only person that really appreciates what's going on is the lawyer on the other side, who is just as deep into the weeds as you are. they can appreciate all these little nuances. and so it's a natural kind of affinity. >> reporter: that affinity was strengthened by tragedy. a year later on september 11,
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2001, olson's wife barbara was killed on flight 77, the flight that crashed into the pentagon. boies knew his friend was suffering and reached out to him. >> i was being given an award by the lab school in washington, and it was an annual award that they give -- i'm dyslexic, and they give it to somebody who has achieved and i said if you could get ted olson i'd like ted olson to give me the award. >> i'm honored to be here with my colleague david boies because he is the best. >> i can hardly talk about it. it was such an emotional event. that gesture of david asking me to be with him on the stand receiving that award in front of the 29,00,000, 3,000 people was wonderful gesture. ten years ago i can hardly talk
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about it. >> reporter: that strong bond is still there a deck laade later. >> paul and jech are one of the couples that olson and boies are representing. >> at the thut pair heart and soul into this. when they're fighting for our equal rights they are on the same page, and they are doing it together. >> our nation was founded on the principle that all americans are created equal. >> reporter: their legal strategy is simple. olson and boies argue that banning same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, period. they expect the supreme court to be the ultimate decider for the nation. >> it would be the roe versus wade of our generation. >> reporter: they have their critics. conservative legal analyst ed whalen. >> there's nothing in the constitution properly construed that remotely supports a right to same-sex marriage. >> reporter: and even some of those who agree with olson and boies say that same-sex marriage should be left to the states.
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>> there are lots of skrep ticks o -- skeptics who say you're going to quickly, that you're going to wind up at the supreme court and you're asking the supreme court to do a heavy lift. >> every civil rights struggle, there have always been people who say you're moving too fast, the country is not ready for it. how many people in 1954 were saying the country is not ready for desegregation? brown against board of education is too soon. >> but some people say this is a conservative court. >> everybody says ted is a conservative guy. there are lots of conservative people -- the idea that civil rights and human rights is exclusively a liberal preserve i just think is flat wrong. >> reporter: their clients have faith their lawyers will win. will david and ted be at the wedding? >> they better be. >> they just might officiate the wedding. >> that would be interesting. >> reporter: or they could be best best --
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>> man and man. >> whatever? >> in our wedding and in life. >> reporter: but in the end that's likely to be a decision for the high court. last time you went to the supreme court didn't go so well for you. what's going to be different this time with the two of you together? >> well, one thing, this time i've got ted on my side. >> i would say the one thing that would be different is this time we'll get all the votes that i can persuade and all the votes david can persuade and there will be no votes left on the other side. >> reporter: no recount. >> no recount. >> no recount necessary. >> gloria borger is joining us from washington. wow, gloria. just an excellent piece, a series there. and obviously you spent a lot of time with them. they clearly get along very well. spent a lot of time covering bush versus gore. it's hard to believe they're such good buddies today. give us a sense of why do you suppose -- what do you suppose they see as the role of the courts in this fight? do they really believe that is
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the appropriate place to fight over marriage equality? >> well, they believe that it's fine for the states to take up these issues. it's fine for ballot initiatives to take up these issues, but in talking to them in great detail about this, they also believe that the courts in our history, particularly the supreme court but also lower courts, have had the ability to do sometimes the heavy lift, if you will, when the public really wasn't ready to do it. and in talking to ted olson about it, for example, you know, the case he cites is the case of the interracial marriage case. the political opinion in the country was very, very much against allowing interracial marriage. yet the court decided that, in fact, it should allow interracial marriage. so now what you've got is you've got public opinion moving in that direction, but when i asked
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sort of, well, why don't you wait until the younger generation grows up because it is a generational issue, and the answer is do you tell somebody that they ought to wait to get their civil rights and that it's just a matter of time and then this country will give you your civil rights? and their answer to that rhetorical question s of course, no, you don't wait. you do it when you think you can. >> and they are certainly working hard to make sure they can. so thank you, gloria. thank you very much. excellent report. >> thanks. when money is tight, people don't save. according to a new survey by the financial services industry, almost half of americans say they aren't even contributing to any kind of retirement plan. ailson kosek is live at the new york stock exchange with more of the details about this statistic here. it's rather surprising here. do we know who is actually not saving and why? >> you know who is not saving? young people. in fact, 56% of 18 to
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34-year-olds, suzanne, they aren't saving a dime for retirement, nada. they're saving nothing. this is after a federal financial trade association looked at what contributions were being made to iras and 401(k)s. nothing is being put into these. the time to save is when your young. look at the difference. let's say you save $200 a month starting let's say when you're 25 years old. you earn about 7% a year. you're going to have about half a million dollars by 65. it's not enough to retire on but it's a great start, right? look at what happens if you wait until you're 35 and you start saving that $200. you get less than half as much by age 65. $235,000. $200 a month may seem like a lot but it say assumes you're going to make more money as time goes on. if you're like me, you know you have to start somewhere, even if you don't feel like you're making a lot of money. you have to start putting it away early. >> good advice. put it away early. thank you, alison. good to see you. the prosecution in the john edwards' trial is close to
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