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outfront tonight, crisis in america. just take a look at this video. sums it all up. you at home watching, me, all of us are hurdling fullboard a cliff that could be our doom. this is the so-called fiscal cliff. $15 trillion in debt climbing every day. $2.8 trillion in tax cuts scheduled to expire this year. another debt ceiling drama looming. if we hit this cliff, we'll die. tonight i spent the day hearing the conversation at the fiscal summit from the key players, a bipartisan group including president bill clinton, treasury secretary timothy geithner, house budget committee chair paul ryan, house speaker john boehner, alan simpson, and what
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i heard from awful them is a bipartisan call for action and alarm. >> the next into years could be the most consequential two years we see in washington and have seen in the last 50 or 60 years. >> and interest rates will go up so fast you won't be able to catch your breath. >> how much? how much are they going snup some wall street investors, the most bearish, say americans could relive the late '70s, early '80s. one investor told me he's mauking big bets in the treasury market, 17% for a mortgage. that may be incredibly dire, but it's happened before. debt on debt on debt means interest on interest on interest. so we did the numbers. current projections from the cbo say the u.s. will spend, prepare yourself for this one, $624 billion in interest in ten years. we will spend more on interest than on medicaid in six. this is absolutely not okay. i interviewed speaker boehner and asked him whether armageddon is avoidable.
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>> we all know social security, medicare, medicaid, they're all bankrupt. it's not like there's money in the social security trust fund or the medicare trust fund. it's all been spent. >> still, the speaker told me that to approve the debt ceiling increase this year, he's going to demand spending cuts and reforms dollar for dollar. >> debt ceiling going to go up? >> i think i've made it pretty clear right here. allowing the debt ceiling to go up without addressing our fiscal challenge would be the most irresponsible thing that i could do. >> okay. the reality is it this. the debt ceiling must and it will go up, but is there a solution that isn't just talking politics and pot getting anything done. yes. >> ich read every word of the simpson-bowles report. i believe could you put together enough democrats if you could
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>> yes, virginia, there is a santa claus solution to the debt crisis, it's call simpson-bowles. it would cut taxes to three bracket, 12%, 22%, 28%. there are places where al all pay more. and there will be cuts to mortgage rate reductions. but it's better than that cliff. sometimes i wonder if the democracy our country is so proud of, the democracy that happens here in this building, isn't actually what's putting the behind behind the lemmings tales. >> is democracy what sends us over the cliff? >> we're in our 223rd year of our experiment in democracy in representative government. its r it's not worked well if you go back to the days of the greeks or romans. there's some point at which they had problems. >> the view are from america's cliff makes the view you from every rest look like a little hill.
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if we fail, all the opportunities, liberties and luxuries of being american are at risk of becoming history. sort of like the greeks and romans. so let's do a deal. playing for the democrats tonight, mark warner. and tom coburn, good to see you both. and i know you've both been on the show a lot talking about ideas and compromise, gang of six. and here you are tonight. so let's see what we can do. you're in the middle of conversations, right? >> that's correct. >> and how close are you to something that could be significant in your group? >> i think we're close, but the point is to get the politics out of it, presidential politics out of it and actually work on the real problems. and that still has some influence as we work because there's political jockeying for what's going to happen in november and what we need on do is throw all that out and start thinking about the best long term position for the country. >> both of you have been doing that and it seems like you've accepted a lot of cuts, he's
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accepted tax increases, revenue increases. this is a deal. >> we found a plan to get us between $4 trillion and $5 trillion off our debt. it wouldn't be exactly what tom wanted or exactly what i wanted, but at the end of the day, the alternative, we're going over this cliff. there should be no elected official that will have any excuse come the end of this year to say they didn't see it coming. so we have to get out of our foxholes. i think there is a majority in the senate and even a majority in the house. we have to make it safe for folks to do the right thing and as tom as said, that means you'll probably make some folks mad along the way, but at the end of the day, the value add not just to our economy but the overall confidence in our institutions would be enormous. >> and do you think that the american people now are ready to hear they'll be cuts to medicare? >> well, i think that's one failure of the president.
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here's the problem and define it accurately and say there's all sorts of solutions. what we ought to do is make the process work. the reason i voted for bowles-simpson is i wanted to get it on the floor of the senate so the senate could do its work. and then have everybody vote and defend their votes on what they think is the best solution to it. but ultimately we can come to an agreement on the senate floor. so bowles-simpson is a wonderful start, it's not everything i'd want, not everything mark would want, but we have a chance to amend that and come up with what the senate, have the house do the same thing, and let's send a signal to the world that we'll fix our problems. it will change our economy tomorrow if we did that in terms of growth. >> the confidence and debt rating. we'll get to 365 days soon. >> remember, we have american business sitting on $2.5 trillion in cash on their balance sheets. giving them the pre-predict ability that we'll meet our obligations and a tax code
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that's simpler as well as entitlement programs that can be sustainable, i think that's a job generator. >> do you think the conversation would be different if the president that come out early and endorsed simpson-bowles? >> i think the president should have done more to explain the problem. he did come out and endorse our gang of six plan. i think that maybe cost us some votes. i think there have some particularly in the house that if the president endorses anything, it will be immediately assigned why they can't be for it. i think it falls to a group of bipartisan senators willing to at that time first set of arrows from both sides and both of us have, to lay out a plan and i hope and i think the president will be supportive of that. >> and this issue of democracy, which i brought up with speaker boehner today, that we've got a payroll tax cut that is important to people, but once people have these things, it becomes hard to take them away.
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bush tacketts a great example. wanted to play a sound by the about what president clinton said about the tax cuts. >> you could attach me at 100% and you wouldn't balance the budget 37 if middle class age wages were going up, i don't think they would object to going back to the tax rates that obtained when i was president. >> will we have the tax rates go away? if they go away for everybody, it's $2.8 trillion. >> no one's talking about putting them all back in, but i agree with president clinton. beyond 2 x of poverty, everybody whether have to have skin in the game. and even if it's ady minute fuss amount, because this a national crisis.
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admiral mullen said this is a greater threat than terrorism. >> how do you stimulate the economy and have a fair tax system. we passed the bush tax codes and didn't cut spending to pay for it. it's easy to pass a tax cut, it's hard to pass a tax cut that you pay for. >> a lot of people in your party tend to believe that a tax cut just pays for itself. >> and sometimes it does. but the key is how do you create long term certainty and confidence so that the money that mark talked about sitting on the side actually gets invested and we create wealth. >> if you you create jobs without creating wealth, you haven't done anything for the economy, so you have to do it. and my worry even though i'm for let's have the free for all, let's have the debate, if you tax the people who are the job creators, you've actually hurt our growth and you've heard the rise in tax revenues that would come to the government.
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what we know in the reagan years is when take you away a lot of the deductions and things people have lobbied for and you flatten and broaden the base, what you have is significant increased economic growth. 4.6% over 70 months. unbelievable. >> you can actually have both because disproportionately, folks at the top end take more advantage of the tax breaks than others. so you can have a simpler code, you can have that predict ability and you can maintain the progressivity that's important that allows those of us who have done well to say, all right, we'll chip into make sure that the next generation does well. >> thank to both of you. i'll switch the shakespeare line. first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. how about we kill all the lobbyists. >> members of congress are the problem. >> and the business community needs to step up and say this has to get fixed. we all have to have some skin in the game. >> thanks to both.
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>> you bet. >> a president obama the first female president? a new twist in the controversial pardons including haleigh barbour. tonight a man freed is facing new charges. and the fbi getting involved in the massive losses at jpmorgan. [ male announcer ] this... is the at&t network.
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our second story out front, president obama up nine points over mitt romney among women voters. this is according to the latest gallup poll. and last night we were talking about the cbs/new york times poll which showed romney up by three points, which was within the margin of error, but still surprised people on the panel. and it is right now nine points in the president's favor according to gallup. but does that mean he's the first female president? this is what an op-ed in the post said. it says monday's activities veered into pandering as obama brazenly flauntsed his feminine
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mystique. something about it is just, i don't know, he's found a mystique? obama also appeared on "the view" today where he talked about getting teased by the first lady and coaching his daughter's basketball team. >> we're celebrating 40 years title ix. and it shows when girls are given the opportunity and they're competing and working as a team, it makes them stronger, makes them more confident. it's one of the great things that's happened during the course of my lifetime is women's sports becoming just as important, just as powerful. >> cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger is with me, and also bill burton is here. ron in new york. they are on on the political strike team which we debut tonight, 20 of the best independent political thinkers in the business. we'll got their perspectiveses all the way through the election. we're talking about the strategy on attracting women and we asked
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and it was nearly unanimous, almost every single one of the 20 and maybe the people downstairs cheering mibd me that you can probably hear, they are women after all cheering for the president. i have to say, something about this, though, as i was watching on video, i'm like maybe the president needs to spend time with some men. i see him with six women on "the view," i see him -- >> but you say that as a joke, but it's actually true. because here's the problem for president obama and i don't know, bill, you may disagree with me, but he has to widen that gender gap and make it a gul much because he doesn't do as well as mitt romney does with men about so that if he's losing men, which he is, he has to win women by a wide margin. now, historically, democrats do generally win women, but he's not leaving anything up to chance. so he's at "the view," i'm sure there will be pieces of legislation on capitol hill that democrats will roll out that are pro women, they've had the lill ledbetter act.
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pay kuwaiti very important. but i think he's got to make that gap even larger.very important. like the first female president may help. is this a full born strategy? >> do i agree in the sthaens there is no way for the president to win if he doesn't have a good advantage with women voters. and it's not just lilly ledbetter. look at the choice on the supreme court. mitt romney says he would put scalia on the supreme court. a huge difference on contraception. mitt romney came out to the right of rick santorum on contraception. so i think issue by issue, the president will have a real case to make against mitt romney. >> the president did also say -- mitt romney said in a debate that he wouldn't touch the contraception rules. the new hampshire. >> he did. but that won't stop help from talking about it. >> like it is is that mitt romney has had a lot of
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different positions and he needs to be held accountable if what he said during this campaign and where he is on women's issues, be contraception or choice, and further to the right than the most far to the right republicans in the race. >> can we talk about the spouses being the character witnesses for the candidates? >> first i kept hearing this what, what, in my ear? and i thought there was something wrong. no, ryan, it's you. >> so sorry. well, there's always something wrong with me as you know and one of the things is my deep hunger for the truth. and i've got to say the idea that mitt romney was to the right of rick santorum on contraception certainly strikes me as a curious position. but one thing i'll also say with regard to what gloria has said is that barack obama won women by 13 percentage points in 2008. that's a pretty big margin that contributed to his big margin in that election. and if in the gallup poll he's leading by nine points, that suggests a tremendous amount of erosion. and if it's anything like the cbs/new york poll in which
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romney was actually ahead among women, and there's a lot of criticisms about that poll, but if it's anywhere close to it that, that's really, really rough news for the president. so i encourage the president really do everything you possibly can on this front because that's the way you'll make this a fair fight. >> just on the facts in terms of mitt romney and how far to the right he got, during the debate on contraception, mitt romney said not only was he not for what the president did on contraception with health care reform, but he said he was against title x, which is federal funding for family planning. which is something that's so bipartisan, that george h.w. bush when he was in congress co-sponsored it and president nixon signed it into law. >> was santorum for that provision? >> no. >> so the distinction you draw is problematic, right? >> no, the distinction is that mitt romney is further to the right -- >> given that they have the same position on title -- >> romney is to the right of santorum.
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>> it's in your interests to talk about mitt romney as an extremist on the social and cultural issues. because his economic appeal is to independent voters. independent voters don't like extreme social issues, so you have to portray him as extreme. >> one or topic. bill clinton, we were talking about the terrible discourse here in washington and he talked about when he lost to republican bob in-glis as part of the far shift to the right, here's what bill clinton said. >> this by was on the judiciary committee that impeached me and it wasn't enough for him. he's a very good guy, by the way. >> i mean, come on. if you can forgive and forget that, we can get stuff done here. >> for give and forget. >> makes you really miss bill clinton.
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>> all right. thanks to all three of you. appreciate it. just one of those moments. all right. our third story up front, controversial pardon by haley barbour, obviously you know the back story to this, about an wow has gotten more controversial because one of the inmates that the governor pardoned in january is being charged with driving under the influence, accused of leaving the scene of an accident after killing 18-year-old charity smith while driving drunk. harry bostick was among those pardoned by haley barbour earlier this year. the retired irs agent had three dui convictions when the governor decided to give him a second chance. ed lavendera is covering the story "outfront" for us tonight. it's hard to put in any other words, just a terrible tragedy. what is the reaction now?
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>> in is one of the stories the more you uncovered, the more flabbergasted you got. it didn't get quite as much attention as the four murderers that were pardoned who worked at the governor's mansion and were pardoned. but when you peel away the layers, it's very troubling. a former irs investigator, had very shal friends in the town of oxford, mississippi. former u.s. attorneys who in the process of applying for this pardon wrote glowing letters on his behalf. pleading for his pardon of his third dui conviction. miss friends wrote he had kicked his habit, he had overcome his problems and he wasn't drinking anymore. they voted to recommend him for a pardon.
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all put in a package, sent off to the governor's office and then a week later, he's involved in an accident suspected of driving drunk again that ends in the death of this 18-year-old girl, charity smith. he's actually sitting in jail for almost three months when the governor decides to pull the trigger and give harry bostick this pardon. the governor at the time said he had no idea that this accident had happened. we've uncovered e-mails that suggest otherwise that the governor's office was told that he had been in this accident, that he was still drinking and still the pardon went through. >> a terrible story. interesting that you've got itten e-mail evidence in a perhaps what the governor said he knew is not what he really knew. what happens from here in terms of the governor i'm not saying culpability in this, but what's going to happen to him and also what kind of punishment does mr. bostick face now? >> well, what happens how is that harry bostick has just been indicted by a grand jury in mississippi.
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he faces three charges. a dui drinking charge, but also more seriously a dui death charge in connection with the death of charity smith. he faces at least 30 years in prison. but remember, in a third dui charge, a felony, was wiped from his record. so this fourth dui arrest becomes his third and that could affect what kind of punishment he faces in the future. but the trial is still several months away. >> ed levin dare are a, thank you very much. ahead, breaking details about george zimmerman's injuries. we now have information about what state he was in on the night he was shot. and this is something you definitely need to know if you're following this case. and the fbi now involved in the jpmorgan case. that's next. [ sneezes ]
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. and the debt ceiling on the table again right here in washington where i'm standing. it will be raised this year. we hope. house speaker john boehner told me he won't do it unless every single dollar is matched by spending cuts or reforms which don't include higher tax rates,
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but he told me would mean some pay a higher tax bill thanks to closing loopholes. it didn't seem that this rule, though, of a cut -- a qular in cuts or reforms for every dollar of increase applies to the republican budget which the cbo says would require a $5.2 trillion increase in the debt ceiling over the next decade. one more thing on the deck kreting. chris van hollen was talking about the paul ryan budget which you assumed. according to the cbo, that would require a $5.2 trillion increase in the debt ceiling over the next ten years. just as it was. >> yeah. the big bad house republican budget would just gut everything under the sun according to my friends across the aisle would still require a $5 trillion increase in the debt ceiling over the next ten years. why? because of the great big demographic bubble baby boomers like me that are going to retire and continue retiring for the next 20, 25 years.
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it's a big challenge. >> so it's not ceiling that has to be matched. >> i don't know how long i'll be around here, but that was the line in the sand last year. it's the line in the sand this year. and guess what. as long as i'm around here, i believe that line in the sand will be this. >> so what if you could you present alzheimer's? a drug is being test that had could prevent the horrible memory stealing disease. it would target people who have genetically pre-destined to get the disease. plaque in the brain is associated with alzheimer's and the new drug is designed to attack the formation of the plaque. it will take a couple years of testing, but it affects more than 5 million people at a cost of over $200 billion a year. there's a lot to talk about in the facebook world today. the company increased the price
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at which it will sell shares on friday. it's now $34 to $38 a share. the range was $28 to $35. so that's a big increase and that does put the value of the company at more than $100 billion. they also learned that general motors will no longer spend money on advertising on facebook according to the "wall street journal." gm was spending $10 million in ads and we learned facebook hat bought light box. they say facebook is acquiring the company but developers will join the facebook team. the gm news is important because if you're buying facebook, you're buying an advertising company. it's been 285 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? new data shows inflation is not going anywhere. declining energy prices actually really helped out offsetting gains in other areas. our fourth story. breaking news tonight in the case against frida neighborhood watchman george zimmerman. according to a medical report
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obtained by abc nbcs, he was treated for a broken nose, swollen face and cuts on the head the date after he shot and killed trayvon martin. the new details could bolster zimmerman's defense which is that he killed an unarmed trayvon martin during a struggle because he feared for his life. prosecutors say he profiled martin racially. a criminal defense attorney and cnn legal contributor, good to see both of you. paul, we've heard about some of the injuries. hearing all these in a row is more detail all at once than we've had and it's also saying that he sought this this treatment the day after it happened. how significant is this? >> it's quite significant and the new thing here is we've heard talk about these injuries from family members of mr. zimmerman, but now there are medical reports sustaining and proving the existence. and the most important one being i think, erin, the existence of
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the broken nose which the defense would say suggest as frontal assault by trayvon martin on george zimmerman. and would support the self-defense claim. >> and mark, do you agree with that? because obviously george zimmerman did not actually seek hospitalization. is that something that would work against him in this case or no? >> no, i agree with that opinion. i think very simply we heard this all come out during the bond hearing actually. but now we have corroboration of the fact that there seem to be genuine and signature injuries to zimmerman. what does it mean? it means that there's a greater chance than not that there was some measure of mutual combat going on and we also know the shooting was at close range. gunshot powder. so it does seem like there was mutual combat going on from the limited amount we have right now. >> paul, i'm curious, though, all of this being said, doesn't
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it still really matter who started it, that if there's some way to prove that george zimmerman started the entire altercation, that it wouldn't matter whether he was framed for his life because he started it? >> well, yes. it's called the initial aggressor doctrine. if you start a fight and you provoke the fight, then you can't use self-defense. but this evidence would seem to suggest that if there was a physical altercation, zimmerman was on the receiving end, not the giving end. and i just wanted to added a one thing. there are other reports that the autopsy in the case of trayvon martin show lacerations on his fists and a gunshot wound to the chest. now, if that proves to be true, that would suggest obviously that the fists were used to strike zimmerman. so we only have part of the evidence here and i don't want to jump to any conclusions prematurely, but i think the defense probably had a good day in terms of instructing their case. >> mark, i know you've been doing some investigating about the prosecutor's office.
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and specifically why the special prosecutor was assigned. you can tell us anything about that selection? >> i'm still puzzled by it and we've been working on it and i've been talking to everybody who will talk back to me. to this day, it is not come out 120s sto what conflict of evidence the state attorney for seminole county had. nobody in law enforcement, noob on the street, no lawyers, nobody has been able to state that. and then we find mysteriously that all of a sudden this is assigned by apparent lit apparently the attorney general and the governor to the special prosecutor. know now the chief never met with the state attorney until after the in-dilt came in. so why the case be removed from an experienced prosecutor and when he was going to take to the grand jury and then charges are brought. there should not be meddling from the executive office. with these type of matters. don't know if there was, but we need to find out if there was. >> paul, mark, thank you.
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now the fbi is involved looking in to potential wrong doing at jpmorgan and there's
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now the fbi is involved looking in to potential wrong doing at jpmorgan and there's reports of the department of justice has launched an investigation, and also one going on at the sec. jamie dimon faced shareholders at the annual meeting and it was as you you might imagine confrontational at times. >> last over $50 billion in market cap since february of last year. the stakes are simply too high to continue business as usual when apall powerful ceo is his own boss. >> well, dimon got to keep his chairman title and a pay package that netted him $23 million john avlon have a lon is with us.
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it's unclear whether everyone voted today or a lot of votes had come in before the incident for the pay package, but do you think that was a possible big mistake that he's made as he tries to kind of climb out of this hole and rebuild the reputation for the company? >> well, he obviously didn't feel the pressure to do that. and didn't feel that that gesture would be necessary to either publicly or privately reassure markets or shareholders. but he had one of the strongest reputations in the banking business. nationally really. so the real problem for jpmorgan chase and jamie dimon here is that the credibility they have taken into arguments going forward has been fundamentally compromised by this loss. but clearly he did not feel he had to make confessions to that today at the shareholders meeting.
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>> and poppy harlow reported it was sort of a 9:1 margin in favor of the pay package. so it seems like the shareholders were behind mr. dimon. but can you explain, paul, why the heck the fbi is involved? >> i'll tell you something, i bring a lot of skepticism to these reports. by the way, all of the wire services, all of the major newspapers, networks are all reports this, but they're using the words that they're looking into this will. and when i last checked, it's not a crime to lose money. if you're a bank in america. so i don't know what crime they're investigating. they may be investigate something obscure reporting requirement, but until we hear there's an open grand jury, i bring a lot of skepticism to the idea that there is a criminal probe going on. >> is it a case of now you have the department of justice, sec, everybody has to look at it? >> that's a different matter. the se krft and dealt of justice have civil arms, as well, where they may be looking to see if
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shareholders were defrauded or lost their money in an improper way. that's very, very different, though, from a criminal probe. a civil suit would not surprise me. as a matter of fact i think some have been filed already. shareholder derivative suits they're called in which chase will be sued, jpmorgan will be sued, i'm sorry, for alleged negligence. >> so paul, how much could jpmorgan be on the hook for? do you have any sense? i'm not talking just fbi, but overall with all the investigations going. >> we know the initial reports were of a $2 billion loss. it's mard to say what the final number might be because if the market goes back up and shareholders in fact i think the market did go up in jpmorgan's stock today. so calculating the actual damages is not easy. it certainly probably will be less than the $2 billion figure if shareholders were to prevail in a lawsuit and i don't think it's clear that they could win such a lawsuit. >> john avlon, how much further does this company? are we at the tip of the iceberg
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or at the end of the row on this one? >> i do think there's a certain news cycle pile on effect. if you look at the ffbi inquiry, it's unnamed sources talking about a preliminary review in its infancy. but pull back big picture the question about these potential congressional hearings and what the results could be on that. could this example be more evidence that makes people say, you know what, we need to get the volcker rule in place. it should have been in place. whether or not it would have affecteded the trade, could it remind people there are still problems out there and there is more argument for inch plementing the volcker rule now. >> we'll keep following it and see if it turns in to anything or not. next, a college student was attacked by flesh eating bacteria. her parents "outfront" next. ♪
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for a dealer and the rv that's right for you, visit gorving.com. our fifth story "outfront," two georgia parents watching, waiting and hoping for the best after a rare flesh eating bacteria attacked their child. two weeks ago 24-year-old aime chlt copeland was on a zip line adventure with friends about 50 miles west of atlanta. copeland took her turn on the
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the homemade zip line and it snapped. she was left with a gash on her leg. went to the hospital. 22 staples to close it. a few days later, she realized she had contracted a flesh eating bacteria, neck kra tieding fashion unite tis. doctors have amputated part of her abdomen and leg and in danger of moving more. aime chlt's father is with us. >> erin, amy is just amazingly resilient. today she was doing very well. she was in high spirits. again, we continued to talk. we actually talked a lot more about a lot of things. she appears to be remembering day to day different conversations we've had. we actually referred to some conversations she had yesterday. so her memory is -- short term memory appears to be coming back which is an encouraging sign.
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>> does she understand what has happened to her at this point? >> well, she understands she had an accident. she actually understands she's been in the hospital now for 11 days here in augusta. as far as all the specifics, we steered her away from the experience itself. to me, it probably does no good in her healing process to bring up any bad memories at this point. >> so what are doctors telling you about her chances for recovery. i know it's a miracle that she's come as far as she has. >> you know, it is. it's an absolute miracle. when you actually -- if you wanted to quantify it, the doctors thought she had about 1% survival that night she arrived here. that was upgraded to a chance of
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slim to none later on, which probably isn't much of an improvement. but the doctors have been baffled. i understand that one of the doctors went by, looked at her charts, examined the vital signs and said this doesn't make any sense. but we know itoes make sense. because we believe in miracles. aimee's our miracle child. >> she's a fighter. even though she doesn't know what she's fighting, that's her natural way, right? she's just fighting. >> absolutely. it's interesting. i saw a cartoon that was in the ajc yesterday. it had roberto duran, mike tyson and aimee copeland. it said which of these is the greatest fighter. i think this has been answered. >> when she does understand and have to cope with that to know that the nation sees her that way. i know you've been organized blood drives and trying to get more blood. can you explain exactly why and what it is that you need.
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>> you know, that's a really good point. in fact, i'd like to understand a little bit more about what aimee's blood usage has been. i know when you're looking at major wounds like aimee has, there's a lot of blood. you need to run a lot of plasma. there's going to be red blood cells needed. cryo. we're looking at platelets to help clot the blood. you've got a lot of need. she's been using a lot of the products that have existed in the bank already. so it's interesting. i went, i guess, sunday a week ago. i met with one of her pull monologist. i thought if i'm just one person giving blood, that's not a big help. my goal at that point was to get the community mobilized. we've got blood drives in augusta, carrollton, winder, lawrenceville, snellville. so we're reaching across georgia. next step is to get connections
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in south carolina. where we're orchally from. blood is something that hospitals need. it should be our civic duty to at least give blood. >> certainly makes us think differently about it. >> absolutely. i was just going to ask. i'd love to see cnn go out and get some blood too. maybe we can get cnn out there and get mobilized to get the community in too. what do you think? >> i think that sounds like a very good idea. we are a georgia company. look, thank you very much. certainly a miracle story. and by the way, looking at the pictures of your daughter we were just showing. beautiful young woman she is. next, the generation that's doing the most to save america. the e-block is next.
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so i spent the day at a fiscal summit and it's hosted by a man named peter peterson. he's a former secretary of commerce. he was the cofounder of the blackstone group.
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in 2010 he was one of 40 billionaires that signed the giving pledge. agreed to give half of his wealth to charity. he's also 85 years old. and was amazing today behind stage was two of his sons were there, his granddaughter were there. they were all participating in the entire event. it made me think about all the generations at play. you keep hearing all the time that the older generations are passing their problems on to the future. although people alive now, hey, forget about it. just leave up the debt and leave it to them later. it was the older generation that was leading the way. senator allen simpson, you saw him there, is 80 years old. he is the simpson of simpson bowles. he was one of the most passionate and entertaining speakers today. >> how many contractors do you have in the defense department? well, it's quite a range. what is it? it's between a million and 10 million. that is a hell of a range. obama care, call it elvis presley carry.
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where do you get your health care? is it free? there'll be hair and blood and eyeballs all over the floor. how the hell do you get that? anyway. >> even the guy used to be the guy youngest in the room but not anymore showed up. president bill clinton was there. he's 65 years old which is young, but he's spending a lot of time working towards bipartisan solutions. so, look. here's the bottom line. shows americans do care. and older people do care allot. tom brokaw was there, my mentor. they care. plus a primetime exclusive. jane lynch gets personal. >> i have a really strong life.

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