tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 17, 2012 8:00pm-9:00pm EDT
we're still going through all the evidence, but here's what we found so far. video of trayvon martin's last moments alive. this is video from the convenience store where martin bought candy and a drink just before he was shot to death. the autopsy report said that martin died from a gunshot wound to the chest fired at "intermediate range." we'll talk about what that means in a moment. toxicology tests found marijuana in his system. the autopsy report lists the manner of death as homicide. he says he shot martin in self-defense saying martin assaulted him. we have new photos of zimmer more than a after the incident and a fire department report says he had abrasions to his fore head. bleeding and tenderness to his nose and a small laceration to the back of his head when he was treated at the scene. also just released the a police report of a request for charges to be filed.
that report says in part "the encounter between the george zimmerman and trayvon martin was ultimately avoidable by zimmerman, if zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the ie rival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialogue in an effort to dispel each party's concern. there's no indication that trayvon martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter." . also in this newly-released evidence, a report from the fbi. there are questions about whether zimmerman used a racial slur. the fbi could not determine what the word in question was because the recording quality wasn't good enough. so there's a lot to talk about tonight. martin savidge joins us tonight. you're still sifting through the documents, as we all are. what jumps out at you so far? >> you were just talking about the 911 calls. this is something the fbi was
given the task of trying to do. the fbi is trying to determine if there's any indication of a hate crime. this goes back, of course, to what was the term that george zimmerman used when he was on the phone to police that night? and much has been made about f'ing coon. it would give the impression that george zimmerman was acting just beyond the capacity and more on a neighborhood watch person. the fbi went over and over and over it. they came out and said they couldn't determine what was said because of interference that was heard on the phone. the next part of the 911 call 37 these are the calls in the complex. remember the huge controversy about someone was heard quite clearly pleading for help. who was that person? well, trayvon martin's family says it was their son. george zimmerman's family says it was george zimmerman. again, the fbi tried to listen.
there were many voices on the tape at that time. there was a caller on the phone overlapping the background noise. again due to poor quality and other issues, they couldn't determine. stress levels also play into it. both voices could have been overstress so they can't tell who it is. >> what else jumped out at you? >> the part that you brought up what police determined. we had been told that police maintained this was an issue where george zimmerman was working and acting appropriately. we want to show you these pictures here of george zimmerman's hands. much has been made about a fight. trayvon martin's left hand fourth finger did have a cut. these are george zimmerman's hands. totally clean. no appearance that he was duking it out with anyone. so you know, you have the autopsy report that shows something on trayvon martin. then you have the police report that says all of this could have
been avoid ed if george zimmermn had stayed in his car. the prosecution is going to make much of that. >> joining me is criminal defense attorney mark garagos, sunny hostin, and larry kobalinsky. from all the evidence you have seen, what really jumps out at you? >> i don't think that the evidence is inconsistent at all, anderson, with the prosecutor's affidavit. they made it clear that the theory of this case that george zimmerman pursued trayvon martin, confronted trayvon martin, and some sort of confrontation ensued. so i still think that owl of these other issues being talked about today like the marijuana in trayvon martin's blood are nonissues. the issue is who started the confrontati confrontation? if you look at what the police department wrote, they believed this could have been avoided had george zimmerman not gotten out of his car and set this boy in action. >> is that a big deal to you
that the fact that the police report says that the encounter could have been avoided if zimmerman had stayed in his car? >> no. in fact, that's probably never going to come into evidence. that's an argument. that isn't evidence. the problem with everything that was just released today is it seems to undercut much of what was in that probable cause affidavit, which was thin to begin with. this document dump, obviously i haven't been through it, but what's been reported so far certainly does not help the prosecution. >> what about pot found in trayvon martin's system? will that enter into the trial? >> no, i don't think that's going to be of any great moment. most judges wouldn't let that in because that's not something like it's methamphetamine or pcp or something like that. thc in a -- they have so much trouble determining at what levels you're under the
influence to begin with that i don't think that's of any great moment. i think what is of significance here are the injuries or lack of injuries on both parties and where those injuries are. and those things are going to be telling. and this idea that somehow some cop wrote that this all could have been avoided if somebody sat in the car, that's not evidence. that's a cop opining on something and frankly, most judges would not let that into evidence. >> larry, let's talk about forensics. this is the first time we're seeing forensic evidence and bullet trajectory and the distance. according to the report, trayvon martin was shot from an intermediate range. the bullet passed through the right ventricle of his heart. what does that tell you? >> it tells us the trajectory was horizontal and straight front to back. it's very consistent with the positioning of the gun and there was one entrance wound, no exit
wound. the bullet ended up in the sack surrounding the heart. >> does it surprise you there was not an exit wound? >> no, not necessarily. sometimes shots will pierce through the tissues. sometimes they hit bone and fragment. the jacket of the bullet did fragment. it ended up in the lung cavity. but no, there's no surprise here. >> intermediate range. what does that mean to you? >> there's several possibilities. one where the muzzle is against the target. there's a close in distance from 0 to 6 inches. then there's the intermediate distance which is 6 inches to 12 inches. that's what the pathologist is talking about. the ballistics people that lookedt the clothing are saying it's contact but it's inconsistent with what the autopsy report shows. >> the level of thc in his system, it's a difficult thing. >> i got to degree with mark. the level is very low. it's at a level where if somebody were using marijuana
let's say four days earlier, they might find that level. it probably would have no effect on his behavior. >> but i'd like to say what's important about the intermedia range evidence is that the prosecution's theory is that george zimmerman was the first aggressor. if that is true that he had a duty to retreat, he had a duty to try to get away, if you had this close range of 6 inches, that tells me as a prosecutor he wasn't trying to get away. >> that's not 6 inches. >> it's between 6 inches and a foot and a half. >> that seems very close range. >> it's consistent with the struggle. >> the only thing that's closer than that is to actually put it up, which is contact. so it was apparently not contact, although larry is right that there has been some indication that it was. but you're talking six inches while people are struggling. >> but that tem tells me he wasn't trying to get away.
>> you can't read into that. >> i think you can. if you're trying to get away from someone -- >> you can shoot them and not be six inches. >> somebody could be pulling back -- somebody could be pulling back to hit you. >> but it's not consistent with the prosecution's theory he was the first aggressor and had a duty to retreat and he didn't do that. >> the fact that the voice analysis couldn't determine two important things in this case from a federal standpoint, whether or not there was a racial slur yutzed and who was screaming for help, how significant do you think that is? >> it's very significant. the defense is going to move to exclude any kind of relative on either side saying they can identify the voices there. you've got expert testimony that it's inconclusive. they may let in the layperson's testimony, but there's going to be some kind of cautionary instruction or there should be a cautionary instruction, so that is significant.
>> but there is eyewitness testimony that it was zimmerman who was yelling help. that's part of the package that was released today. so that is actually part of the totality of evidence we have to analy analyze. >> and that's different. >> but the difference is they believe it. they didn't actually see who was yelling. those witnesses. >> they heard it. earwitnesses. >> appreciate it it. thank you for your expertise. let us know what you think. we're talking about this now on twitter. ahead, how does trayvon martin's family feel about the release of this material? we'll talk to one of their attorneys next. ♪
breaking news coverage. the release of evidence in the shooting death of trayvon martin. the family said they support the public release and selective leak gave a distorted view of the evidence in the case. darrell parks is an attorney for the martin family. thank you for being with us. what else does the family have to say about the release of the evidence? are they concerned about the release of the evidence of marijuana in his system may affect peoples' opinion one way or another or the jury? >> this actually is not new evidence to us. as you know, there was an issue with the trace that was found in his backpack from school. we knew that issue was out there
and not a major concern to us. and addressing the issue of the great deal of evidence that was released today, we believe that we still have a very strong case against george zimmerman for the death of trayvon in this case. >> the photos of his head and the cut on his nose, things we hadn't seen clearly in the police video. does this change the narrative of what happened that night? >> no, not at all. it's always been rather clear that trayvon was followed by george zimmerman unprovoked. he finally caught up with him. they exchanged words and there was an altercation. at the end of the day, we know trayvon was not armed. george zimmerman was arm ed. and trayvon had to fight the gentleman. so yes, trayvon had to fight a guy who was armed. so the level of injuries we see in this particular case. yes, he has some injuries, but
they are not life-threatening injuries. >> you're saying he had to fight him. what are you basing that on specifically? >> if you have someone that's following you, right, and they confront you for whatever reason, right, and you don't know him and that person is armed, he is not the person who is initiating the action in this case. >> the fbi, the voice analysis, they could not, according to reports, could not determine if zimmerman was using a racial slur or who was screaming for help. trayvon's mom said that was her child screaming for help. does she still say, for a fact, that that was him? >> yes. she says that was him. but also the other part of this case that comes into play with that particular aud you aspect of it are the earshot witnesses who have come forward. i certainly believe once you take into perspective the earshot witnesses who will testify along with the young
girlfriend from miami, that certainly it all comes together. >> darrell parks, thank you. we are following a number of stories. >> a man is being questioned in connection with the deaths of two men e. they are linked by ballistics tests. the man questioned is suspected of impert nating a police officer. another victory for hailey barber. the supreme court refused to reconsider its decision upholding his right to issue controversial pardons as he was leaving office in january. jurors are set to begin deliberating the case of john edwards. closing arguments were completed today. the former presidential candidate is accused of using campaign contributions to hide his affair with rielle hunter. and steven brooier was a victim of a robbery, again.
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a report that will very likely make you very angry, and it should. especially if you care about veterans. we have done a number of report ossen this program about one charity that has raised tens of millions of dollars for disabled veterans, but they haven't given the money to disabled veterans. tonight we have learned about another charity that claims to be raising money for veterans, but only spends a small amount of the money raised on helping veter veterans. the charity we told you about was the disabled veterans national foundation. according to their own tax filings, they raised $56 million
in the past three years. a huge amount of money. of that $56 million, we haven't been able to find even one dime that's gone directly to help disabled veterans. instead, the foundation sends on tos of stuff, stuff they got for free to veterans groups. the stuff hasn't been requested by the groups. it's often not even stuff the groups can use. they said one group we found thousands of bags of coconut m&ms. the stuff that the dvnf gets for free sits in boxes until the veterans groups can figure out what to do with them. what do you do with 11,000 bags of m&ms? hundreds of pairs of navy dress shoes. the group that got the shoes tried to sell them at a yard sale to raise money for the things they do need. drew griffin tracked down the president of the group to get some answers. here's how that went.
>> reporter: meet the president of the disabled veterans national foundation. what we found at a small vfw office in bah on to luge, louisiana. >> we have agreed to talk to you. >> nobody has agreed. here's the question. raised over three years. none of the money has gone to veterans. >> i hate when people said they agreed to talk to us. and they really haven't. we uncovered another charity that asks you to help veterans and then uses a small percentage of money to help veterans. this is a completely different group called the national veterans foundation, but there is a connection to the dvnf. they use the same fundraising company. in both cases, that's where the trail of your money seems to lead. drew grimpb is on the trail. >> reporter: the veterans
foundation would like you to believe they take your money and puts it right back into a program to help veterans with anything. but cnn's investigation has found something the nvf likely doesn't want you to know. most of your contributions went to pay the private fundraisers they hired. >> charity watch gives the foundation an f grade. they are spending 12% on charitable programs and costing them $91 to raise $100. >> reporter: daniel borokauf runs a group that investigates these companies. they have taken in $22 million in donations and paid out $18.2 million to its fun raisers and the parent company. but he says the filings show a common tactic used by charities.
part of the money was designated in tax filings to pay for educational awareness promotional materials. those solicitations for donations that tell you all about the struggles the vets have and why you should donate? that's the educational awareness and promotion material. >> the accounting is somewhat confusing to the public and so they can get tricked if they look at these tax forms or superficial reviews of charities on the internet because what they are doing is they are calling that solicitation that makes you aware of the injured veteran a charitable program, but that's not what people want to pay for. people want to pay to offer substantial aid or assistance to injured veterans and that's not what's happening with this group. >> reporter: the hotline is run out of an office in this building near los angeles's international airport. the group told us they wouldn't speak on camera. we decided to go and see them
any way. >> hey, rich. >> you're drew? >> yeah. just wanted to ask one more time if we can chat. >> as we said, we told you we have given our statements and we're not going to be doing any on camera. >> so you won't tell me what you told me on the phone that you're disappointed in this brick mill? >> i believe if you read our statements, it will cover everything i have said and anything that -- any questions that you had had. >> that's why i'm here. >> we prefer not on this subject. >> reporter: rich is the operations director for nvf and over the phone told us the charity hired brick mill in 2008 to start a new donations campaign. "perp told for two years it would be very expensive, then we'd be going into the black. that never happened" he told us over the phone. but in person neither he or the
company's president would tell us anything. >> can we take some photos of the guys answering the phone? >> yeah. this is a toll free line, but they are busy right now. and we prefer not on this trip. >> okay. all right. listen. tha thanks a lot. >> reporter: shortly after the door closed on our cameras, cnn received this statement saying "knowing what nvf knows now, it would not have entered into a 6-year contract with kwau dree ga art and brick mill." they are trying to terminate that contract, which doesn't end for another two years. what does kwau dree ga art say? they increased the donor base by 700,000 people but even they admitted to cnn the fundraising efforts did not prove as financially viable as the client had hoped. it too now wants to end the
contract. and dispiet brick mill getting paid more than $18 million, they actually lost money. daniel borokuaf says bologna. >> who is benefitting here other than the fundraising company? >> drew griffin joins me now. i got to say. i just find this unbelievable. and drew, i mean, i applaud your reporting on this because this is outrageous. if people knew these organizations, first of all, that first organization has not sent any money directly to disabled veterans. and how much did that guy say? 81 cents on the dollar goes to the fundraising organization? >> that's absolutely right. that's what's heartbreaking. behind all these donations are americans who really want to help these veterans. that's why this is so disheartening. they are opening up their wallets, thinking they are doing
good and putting money directly into the hands of a for-profit company making a killing off this. >> they have an american flag there. if they really cared about veterans, they should shut that organization down. if they are not happy with the contract that they stupidly signed with this fundraising company, shut it down. how do they sleep at night? i know you can't answer that question, but that's what i'd like to know. the kinds of contracts, drew, signed by nvf, they are hard to break. why did they go down that road? is it to expand their mailing list? >> here's what we found out in our reporting. some of brick mill's contracts with really big charitable organizations are specifically detailed with money amounts included, all kind of contract obligations that both sides have
to meet, very specific. these it contracts with these two groups we're talking about, they are rather lose. not too much specific. it seems that kwau dree ga is driving this and the charities are simply, i don't want to put words in their mouth, but it looks like they've been duped. >> do you agree these are folks who have been duped? do you advise that charities sign these contracts with a marketing firm? >> we say avoid them like the plague. we have plenty of zero-rated groups, veterans, people who risk their lives in this country and the charities associated with them, we see a proupon drans of this that they sign these contracts. whether it's consciously or they are ignorant and made up of volunteers well intentioned. >> i mean, even if somebody is
naive, i question how well-intentioned anybody can be if they are spending 99 cents to raise $1. i mean, that's just outrageous? >> it's horrific. there's no excuse for it. that's why our advice is to avoid these arrangements like the plague. and run with fear if you're a donor. >> if their charity has a marketing firm, how much should they be paying? >> we generally say 10 cents on the dollar is a reasonable amount. and the best charities, 10 cents on the dollar is the highest performers. >> so drew, can the irs get involved and remove the charitable exemption? these are allegedly non-profits, but that guy from the organization running it seems to be making more than $100,000. >> the irs has rules that they all follow. they all file the tax filings.
these kinds of organizations have been protected in the courts. part of this is under the free speech amendment. i don't see really where the irs can get in and do much of anything here. i do see where there's a lot of value in donor beware. look up these groups. figure out where exactly the money is going and find out, you know, am i really giving money to fundraisers or am i giving it to people? >> for them to claim they are educating people about the needs of veterans and what that education is their own commercials, that's just slight of hand. that's manipulative and lying. your organization, charity navigator, which monitors these things, the dvnf, you haven't rated because they haven't been around for more than four years. but you gave the nvf a three-star rating. would you want to take another look at that? >> we're definitely going to
check it out. we have a negative rating of the organization for its fundraising and its finances in general are below standard, but we'll definitely have a second look. >> there's so many good-hearted people. the fact they were able to make $56 million over three years show you how good-hearted people are. what should people look for before giving money? >> in situations -- generally or specific with veterans groups? >> generally. >> first thing is to make sure that the group is transparent. one of the things right away we say is if you contact a group and they refuse to talk to you, in any regard whether it's the media or individual, be afraid. >> and you have been trying to talk to dvnf for two years now? >> yes. i have. they stone walled us. >> if you get a call, if you're solicited on the street, our general advice is to walk away.
>> if you get a cold call saying they are from a veterans group, walk away. >> you could be in a disaster where 99 cents could be going to the telemarketing company. >> it makes people suspicious of other good veterans groups. i have worked with fisher house, which is a great group. they do amazing work. yet the fear is if people give money to this group that doesn't give out any money, they are not going to give money to reputable charities. >> it hurts the whole sector because it damages the public trust. they wonder if this is going on here, how can i trust? the message people need to know is do some research and you can avoid of a lot of this because there's some tremendous groups out there that need your support. >> anybody out there who wants to give money should go to charity navigator. you'll get a sense of what other good groups are out there that help vets or firefighters or any
other kind of charity. i appreciate the work you're doing. and we're going to keep on this. it's unbelievable. it's mind boggling to me. if you're looking for reputable charities, go to our website for more information or to charitynavigator.org. remember president obama's former pastor? opponents tried to link him to race-related comments back in 2008. four years later, a group of republicans pitched an ad campaign to reignite the issue. it seems to have been rejected, but is it going to pop up somewhere else? still have doubts about taking aspirin for tough pain?
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the ads as described link president obama to comments by his former spiritual advisor. jeremiah wright. so much so president obama distanced himself from wright publically. john mccain did not try to capitalize on the issue in 2008 and here's what he said back then. >> i have made my position very clear on this issue, and that i do not believe that senator obama shares reverend wright's extreme statements or views. >> at the time, republicans criticized john mccain for not focusing more on the issue. four years later, some republicans want to resurrect it. "not only was this plan mere ri a proposal, one of several smimted by third-party venders, but reflects an approach to politics that he rejects."
>> i want to make it very clear i reputeuate that effort. i think it's the wrong course for a pac or a campaign. i hope that our campaigns can respe respectively be about the future and about issues and about a vision for america. >> pretty unambiguous. democrats are doubting romney's sincerity to that statement. back in february, he brought it up in a radio interview. >> i'm not sure which is worse, him listening to reverend wright or him saying that we must be a less than christian nation. >> it's early days in the campaign. i talked to cornell belcher and alex cast ya knows. >> even if this ad campaign never happens, do you expect spots like this by some super pac out there? and do you think they could be
effective? >> well, two things. one is i think the last thing republicans want is for some millionaire nut job spending millions and millions of dollars taking the nominee off message. if you're the republican nominee, it's basic politics. you want to be talking about the economy and yobs and trying to contrast yourself with the president on this. to get on these issues and have the nominee talk about issues that don't create a job or keep anyone in their house, it doesn't help with unemployment or mortgages, that's a nightmare for republicans. >> clearly someone on the republican side thinks this is a good idea. they came up with the idea. it's been rejected by the romney campaign. why do you think these ideas are still floating out there? >> it's not a sufficiently good idea that it got any money. why? because i think there are people on both ends of the political
spectrum. perhaps some rich and not capable folks who may have an idea that they feel is unexpressed and as long as there are people with money, there are probably people out there willing to take it and run a campaign like this. this was litigated in the last came pain. it turned out to be president obama's better moments responding to the situation. and he was elected after this. so the problem, i think, is electricity. if you let some political people near electricity, they make dumb commercials and blow up their campaigns. so we have to do something about electricity. >> cornell, your team turned around and said romney hadn't done enough to condemn character assassinati assassination. do you really think that's true? do you believe that somehow mitt romney bares responsibility for this at all? because he had nothing to do with it. >> i don't speak for the
campaign, i can barely speak for myself. some of those comments came out early before romney came out now and has backed off. this sort of ugly politics on both sides. we can be bipartisan on this, on both sides, we should call for a stand down on this sort of thing. >> alex, mitt romney and his team have both been accusing the president's campaign of character assassination over the bain ads. they did it again today. is that a fair assessment? on the bain ads, mitt romney has been running on his business experience saying it's about job creation. how does bringing that up amount to character assassination? >> because it's what you do with it. it's one thing to say that someone is incapable or may not be up to the job. it's another thing to say that mitt romney is an evil man who hates people and is out to destroy jobs. same kind of attacks we see even from the president who says on the one hand we shouldn't
question anybody's patriotism but republicans are putting politics ahead of their country. it's all over politics now. there's a lot of demon newsing someone's character as opposed to just talking about the issues and the choice the country needs to make. it's a little bit like vietnam. america got sick of vietnam. not just the tragic loss of life, but it brought out the worst in us. it put one american against another. we're almost at that point now. it's the thing we hate about washington. everybody is at each other's throats and this campaign, i think particularly the obama campaign, is asking us to be at everybody's throats. men against women, rich against poor. that's not the kind of country we want to be. obama ran a better campaign last time around. >> you don't want to hear republicans questioning the president's patriotism or where he's born? >> i do, and just like this commercial we were just talking
about, anderson, it's not very productive when we do it. >> you know, alex is conveniently nice guy now. it's one of the most vicious ads you have ever seen in your life. >> i'm kinder and gentler now. >> you are. because you're in florida. the bottom line is, look, he's making his experience the center piece of his conversation about creating jobs. you would look at his business experience and find out what it says about him. it says he's done a lot of cutting salaries, laying people off, maximizing profit for himself. that's fine. but the question we have to ask is that what we want in the white house? do we want someone who spent their life cutting jobs and maximizing their profit at this time?
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there wouldn't be moments like this on the local news. >> i'm so pale. >> you're on air. >> today snow is crippling much of the washington lowlands. >> all right. she got caught on an open mike. she picked up and moved on with the weather forecast. it happens to the best of us. if my microphone was open during the commercials. that's all you'd hear me talking about how pale i am, and me yelling at the crew. being pale -- they are laughing. being pale has its downside. i might be a translucent national treasure, but the reality is i'm never going to have the rich, leathery glow of george hamilton. and yes, that's my new head shot. you know what? it's okay. pale is beautiful. if you disagree, you can take it up with til da swinton. i'm going to say she doesn't
have time for your pale-hating bologna. neither does gary bussey. pale, maybe. it's not just gary bussey who knows what it's like to be on the pale side. it's also the horse that looks like gary bussey. right on, my pale friend. right on. then there's that poor cat. you know what i mean. that cat doesn't worry about being pale. let me tell you that cat doesn't worry about being pale. the only thing that cat worries about is being too good looking. all right. hold on. i'm reminded of something. if we could, i'd like to pause a moment and check in with larry king. hey, larry. it's good to check in with him from time to time. back to being pale, i get how
it's maybe not the most desirable appearance. i get that a healthy base tan is sometimes optimal. i'll admit it's a stunning look. it's not like anything could ever go wrong. >> i've been tanning my whole life. the beach, tan ining salons, an so forth. >> so forth is the understatement of the decade. i can't even wrap my mind around that. and apparently, now she's turned into a deep fried paparazzi magnet. it's all too much. so say what you will pale haters, but consider the flip side on the ridiculist. that's it's for us. thanks for watching. join us an hour from now. piers morgan starts right noup. breaking news on the story that shocked america. the latest on trayvon martin's shocking autopsy. what it could mean for the case. my exclusive interviews with the fami