tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 22, 2012 8:00pm-9:00pm EDT
it's about a half hour's drive outside charlotte, north carolina. the sign out front there says home of old time religion. well, tonight, the church is now the focus of a modern day uproar. and pastor worley could be facing legal troubles for mixing politics into his preaching. we're going to talk about that shortly, get reaction from the community live including some church members. the sermon in question heard on mother's day. pastor worley lashed out at president obama's support for same-sex marriage and laid out his plan for eliminating gays and lesbians. >> of our president getting up and saying that it's all right for two women to marry or two men to marry. i tell you right now. i was disappointed bad. i tell you right there as sorry as you can get. the bible's against it. god's against it. i'm against it. and if you've got any sense, you're against it.
i had -- i figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers but couldn't get it past the congress. build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 mile long, put all the lesbians in there. fly over and drop some food. do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. feed them and you know what? in a few years they'll die out. do you know why? they can't reproduce. >> mr. worley seems to believe gay people are simply the offspring of other gay people. i'm not going to address the lack of logic of that. this was part of the 90 minute long sermon on the church's own website. it's not like the church was ashamed of it. not until the story went national last night. then the church took it down. and today, in fact, the entire
site was down. we called a web hosting company to see if they took it down or whether the church themselves did. we were told no comment. a local advocacy group did manage to download the sermon in two minute chunks. they're working to piece it together. in case you think this was taken out of context, it's not what this guy meant. it turns out this not the first time pastor worley said something like this. here's a sermon he gave in 1978. >> we're living in a day when you know what? it saddens my heart to think that homosexuals can go around and get the applause of a lot of people. lesbians and the rest of it. blessed god from a white oak tree. wouldn't they? amen. >> that was in 1978. these are obviously his long-held beliefs. his mother's day sermon came in
current events. namely president obama's support of same-sex marriage. here's where he may have put himself in legal trouble. >> i tell you right now. somebody said who you going to vote for? i ain't going to vote for a baby killer and a homosexual lover. you said did you mean to say that? you better believe i did. god have mercy. it makes me puking sick to think about -- i don't know even know whether you ought to say this in the pulpit or not. could you imagine kissing some man? >> well, the tape cuts off. he goes on to say quote, my god i love you fellas but not that much. he also said quote, i'm against the sin but i'm not against them. i want them to get saved but i will not accept that way of life
here nor hereafter. the federal government may be looking into the politics he seems to be preaching. churches can lose their tax exempt status for that. according to a local station, he says in that sermon quote, they say you're going to get in trouble with the government. well, i just want you to know i like that bubble gum stuff so bring it to me. and i like sun flower seeds so bring me them. if you have to go to jail for preaching the word of god, said you'll be the first one locked up. i said thank god, amen, hallelujah, that's good preaching. more on the legal angle shortly. but first gary tuchman outside the church in north carolina where there are late developments. gary, what is the latest there? >> well, right now as we speak a special meeting is taking place at the providence road baptist church. a prayer meeting. scores of people inside all supporters of pastor worley hoping for the best of their church and their pastor.
is worley inside? we don't know that for sure. he's staying away from us. and sheriff's deputies are saying we cannot step foot on the church property. earlier we went to pastor worley's house to try to talk to him. when we got there, many members of his family were outside. they scattered inside the house so quickly we found a lighting cigarette still on the window sill. and sheriff's deputies came there too and told us we have to stay off their property also. this is a very small town but there are many people not affiliated with this church who are embarrassed by the situation. among the people who are friends with this pastor and belong to his church, there is strong support for him. >> he would give you the shirt off his back. he would do anything he could for you. >> i mean, he said in church that he wants to put gay people behind electric fences and have them all die out. what do you think about that? >> well, that's not really what he said.
he said yes he says some of that, but he was going to feed them and everything else. >> but you're saying that it's okay if you feed them? >> well, i'm not saying it's okay one way or the other. what i'm saying is that is his opinion. >> probably the most compassionate man i've ever known. i don't know. he's just got a big heart for people. takes a real firm stand on the bible and what it says about different things. whether i like it or not or whether anybody likes it or not. he stands for the bible. >> being gay and lesbian or whatever, homosexual, is wrong according to the bible. it's wrong. >> even if you believe that, though, his words they should be put in an electrified fence don't you think that's dramatic and rude? >> no his point and reasoning was to see if they reproduce. but like it is -- >> there's a lot of heterosexual
couples that don't reproduce either. >> adam and eve. that's what was in the very beginning. adam and eve. not adam and steve. >> but put adam and steve in an electrified jail? that's just mean. it's not the bible -- it's not what god wants to be mean to fellow man. >> he's not saying that to be mean. >> if that's not mean, what is it? >> we love the people, hate the scene, okay? point blank. you need to lay off my pastor. >> now, as you pointed out, pastor worley puts this on his website so he knows it's out there. we expected he would talk about this today to members of the news media. he hasn't. i can think of two possible reasons for that. one, he doesn't have the guts. or two, he doesn't really care what we think. >> or combination thereof. it's interesting to me to see what the reaction would have been had he been advocated putting african-americans in
electric cages or jewish people or any group how people would have responded in that community in that church if the response had been any different. do -- did you get a sense of how much support he has? >> well, i can tell you -- and this is really important. not everyone agrees with this guy. certainly the people we talked to today who go to this church agree with him. many people in this town can't believe what he said. what they tell us is that this is an intolerant man who runs an intolerant church. >> gary, appreciate it. again, we offer an invitation to the pastor to come on the program any time. we'd love to talk to him about his beliefs. i want to bring in reverent lynn. thanks for being with us. most people don't know the intricacies of the federal tax code. but you say what this pastor has done is a clear violation of it. how so?
>> yeah. look. unless you were asleep during the sermon which has been known to happen, but this went on for 90 minutes. you know unequivocally you are not supposed to be voting for barack obama. this means it's a clear violation of the tax code that says, again, without equivocation, you cannot oppose or endorse a candidate for office and retain your tax exemption status. these aren't close to the line. we reported another pastor from eastern kentucky just yesterday filed a complaint. a man who went on a tear about why he opposed president obama's support for marriage equality. then he said, i'm going to go on record. i don't care who knows. we have to get him out. he wasn't talking about taking him out to lunch. he was talking about getting him out of office. this is not why people go to church. in fact, a new poll just a few days ago suggests that about 2/3
of americans do not want their pastor, their priest, their rabbi to tell them who to vote for. that's not why they're in a sacred place on a saturday or sunday. >> do you plan to file a complaint against this pastor worley? >> we are. we are going to file against this pastor. this isn't even close to the line. it's like the pastor in kentucky or just a few weeks ago when the peoria, illinois, bishop compared obama to hitler and stalin in the same sermon. nobody would mistake that for an endorsement of barack obama. these are so far over the line. there's nothing nuanced about it. you can say anythi-- a lot of p think doesn't the constitution guarantee tax exemptions for churches? it does not. no supreme court says that either. when you get tax exemption which means somebody is paying the tax
you're not paying, the only thing you can't do is turn your religious institution into a committee supporting or opposing a candidate. that's what all these fellas have done. >> you say you are going to file on this. if the ira goes after this pastor or checks into this pastor based on his comments, there are those who will say this is the obama administration waging a war against religion. the government is not to tell churches what they can or cannot do. does your group only focus on churches against democratic presidents? >> hardly. we are kind of an absolutely fair minded. we're concerned about the principle here. that's people go to church for a lot of reasons. they go to learn about the bible. they go if they're christians to learn about the life of jesus, how it applies to their life. they do not go to church to be
told who to vote for because they missed a meeting saturday night. that's not why they're in church on sunday. this has been going on and there are groups that are actually organizing to get churches deliberately this fall in the campaign to go and have preachers preach against candidates. of course, in this case it's a group called the alliance defense fund. they only end up preaching against democrats. we think it's just as wrong for michelle obama about a week or so before the last election in 2008 to go to the north carolina baptist council of churches meeting, their convention there, and give a pep rally speech for her husband. that is not what churches are about. that's not what charities are about. that's not why they get tax exemptions. they get them. it's incredibly valuable to them and they ought to play by the one simple rule. don't endorse or oppose candidates for public office. these pastors, anderson, knew exactly what they were getting
into in both the kentucky case and the case you're just talking about and showed the video of. these pastors made comments to suggest that well somebody told them this would be wrong or the government might come after them. they do it in defiance of not only the laws, but as is i think is apparent to me in defiance of everything that christianity could and should mean. >> they can say whatever they want, it's just a question of whether or not they can get a tax exempt status. >> very few give up their tax exempt status then say anything they want. you want to talk about marriage equality and why it's right or wrong and want to give a sermon on that subject, you can do that. that does not violate the tax code. what violates the tax code is starting to say, well, you should vote for the republican, you should vote for the democrat. >> he's saying he's just preaching the word of god saying the word of god is telling you how to vote. >> you may remember earlier in
the campaign cycle, there were four -- count them, four candidates in one political party all of whom said god had told them in rick santorum's case god told his wife who told him they would be the next president of the united states. you have to be very careful as a pastor or a layperson when you think you're hearing from god you better be awfully sure that is god speaking. because otherwise you do tremendous damage. you do the kind of damage that's going on in communities all over this country with this kind of hateful rhetoric coming out of an institution that is supposed to care about people, that's supposed to be involved in the love of all, not the hatred of some. >> reverend lynn, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> follow me on twitt twitter @andersoncooper. we'll be tweeting tonight. mitt romney and bain capital. republicans using democratic voices against president obama. ari fleischer and james carville face off next. [ woman on radio, indistinct ] ♪ bum-bum
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showing up in democratic ads. cats and dogs living together. that's actually a line from ghost busters. the rest is pure raw politics. today a day after republican supporters had an ad -- former opponents attacking him on bain. >> they sit there and they wait until they see a distressed company then they swoop in and pick the carcass clean and fly away. >> companies leave behind companies, people, broken towns. >> governor romney enjoying firing people. i enjoy creating jobs. >> it's the ultimate insult for mitt romney to come to south carolina and tell you he feels your pain. he caused it. >> now not long ago abc news is reporting a top obama reporter is a bain executive. president obama has hired a number of private equity
employees. last night i asked obama campaign spokesman ben labolt about that contradiction. >> why it's okay to put them out of work but it's not okay for mitt romney's equity firm to do that. >> he has had support from people across business industries who agree with his vision of building an economy that's built to last. where hard work and responsibility are rewarded. where everyone from main street to wall street -- >> you yourself said that's not what private equity is about yet the president is accepting money from private equity firms. isn't that hypocritical? >> who believe was the right thing to do to ensure we don't have a financial crisis like in 2008. and middle class families are not held hostage by risky deals. governor romney would take a different approach. he would repeal those
protections. >> you're not answering the question. i'm trying to figure out what's different between bain an the experience of private equity firms the president is taking money from. >> we never got a question for that. hopefully we'll get answers from james carville and ari fleischer. president obama said this is not a distraction, it's going to be the center piece of the campaign, the attacks on mitt romney's record at bain and what that means, how he would govern as president. is that smart for him to double down on this, james? >> well, yeah. understand. what happened here is romney made his experience at bain central to his candidacy. he said he created jobs. he never talked about being governor of massachusetts or anything else. of course it's not an attack on private equity. it's an attack on what romney said he did. and other things happened there. i don't even understand the whining about this. romney's a man who has
resources. go find people whose job you saved and put them on television. this is unbelievable. in my opinion, it's a legitimate thing to talk about. it's one guy saying i just want the credit for all the good things that happened but if you say any bad things happened then you're a terrible person. answer the ads and go about your business. >> ari? isn't romney's record fair game? >> i hope they continue to go after bain. i hope they do it all the way through november because i have a feeling it's going to continue to backfire. i think that's one of the reason so many democrats are uneasy with these attacks. when you look at what are m romney said, he has said balanced statement. he said some created jobs, others didn't. mitt romney has made that balanced statement about it. and what's really wrong about the ads while it's certainly fair game to talk about what
people did, he was gone from bain. he was gone from the companies they attacked him for years before the companies went bankrupt. so even if you think bankruptcy in and of itself is disqualifying in the private sector, mitt romney was no longer part of the company. >> but he said he helped create 100,000 jobs that math is fuzzy. and he claimed credit for things at bain after he left but does walk away from bain after he wasn't there. can he have it both ways? >> i don't think you'll ever find a politician that uses a number for jobs they create. i think they're always arguable numbers. but when you look at what private equity plays, they always create jobs and lose jobs. what you look for is the net positive. certainly with a successful company like bain, the net has been positive. they have an excellent reputation which is something talked about by democrats. one of the reasons people believe mitt romney, because
they believe he can turn around the economy. >> isn't the campaign cherry picking what companies they're focusing on? >> mitt romney started this. understand. bain was central to his case. it was what he talked about. it was the central part of his stump speech and he says he creates a net hundred thousand jobs. okay. they're talking about his experience. what he did and what he didn't do. and the whining and the coughing and the complaining and everything else. you know, saying if you're afraid of snakes don't go in the swamp. if you're afraid that your record is going to examined, don't run for president. that's the simple thing here. he put it front and center about who he is and they're saying wait this is what you did. romney's a man with considerable resources. he can answer it, he can put people on. he can do anything he wants. but the idea there's something wrong with discussing romney's record at bain is -- i don't even understand what the charge is. >> james, does it surprise you that the obama campaign hasn't focused more on his record
creating jobs as governor of massachusetts? because his whole argument is what i learned at bain teaches me how to create jobs. >> i suspect they will. you wouldn't know romney was ever governor of massachusetts if you watched his ads during the republican primaries. you forget that. and of course they're going to do -- of course at some point they're going to do that, but this thing is sort of engaged. and romney wanted to create the story of hey, i'm a guy all successful all the time. i did all these wonderful things. they're saying wait a minute there's another side to the story. and it's a totally legitimate things in politics. >> ari, is romney vulnerable on his record in massachusetts creating jobs? >> no, i don't think so. when you look at the reputation he has as a fixer of economies, that's what it will come down to. i want to remind james it wasn't romney that originally objected to this ad. it was cory booker on meet the press. which was followed by the
democratic committee. the whining and complaining you're complaining about is in your own party. >> come on, ari. don't pull that. >> you haven't heard mitt romney say it. i think this is a debate that helps mitt romney. the more this election is fought over economic matters, president barack obama doesn't act as though he's been the president for the last three and a half years. he acts as if none of his policies has anything to do with the bad economy we have right now. more of the election fought on those issues, the stronger i think it's going to be for mitt romney and republicans. >> james? >> how does a guy from the bush administration sit here and blame obama? i mean, it's vexing. obama takes office losing 750,000 jobs and then mitt romney wants to talk about carter. but if you say something about bush, can't do that. if you say -- you know, ari, i didn't interrupt you. there are people complaining and whining about this bain thing forever. you get in this -- you get in
the game, they're going to come after you. you don't get to tell only your side of the story. that's what happens when you run for re-election. i'm just simply saying that his record at bain, he put it front and center. it is a very valid issue to dissect. it's valid for romney to come back and say he did wonderful things. as governor of massachusetts, it was 47th in job creation. let him run an ad saying i was better than three states. let he run on that. it's not unfair for me to point out they were 47th. >> ari, you can respond. >> i'm not complaining. i think it's appropriate to talk about. i think that's why the democrats have said what they have. barack obama doesn't. you get the sense the president has this distrust of all things private. private economy, the private sector. you know, he attacks people for riding on corporate planes but
doesn't say anything about the hollywood people or the sports stars and athletes. just corporate. he has an anti-business approach. it's one of the reasons we have so little job creation. businesses are very worried with barack obama that there's going to be so many taxes and regulations suppressing job growth. >> got to leave it there. thanks very much. up next, $56 million saved for the disabled veterans foundation over three years. not one dime, though, has gone to veterans. not one dime directly to veterans. instead on things they don't need. actually it wasn't spent, this group got donations like coconut m & ms. we're keeping them honest. [ male announcer ] knowing your customers is important to any successful business. which is why at wells fargo,
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there's a lot more we're following tonight. isha's here with the bulletin. >> a woman who caused a fight to be diverted today didn't pose a threat. she was on board a u.s. airways flight claiming to have a surgical device implanted in her body. after the woman he was traveling with disappeared. is back in the news. gary giordano has been charged with exposure when police found him cuddling naked with a woman in a car in a parking garage. only the fourth person ever to survive going on niagra falls without protective gear. he climbed over a retaining wall and was swept over the falls.
he suffered broken ribs and a lung. the space station blasted off early this morning. the unmanned rocket is delivering supplies to astronauts in the space station. i know you're a space geek so that's for you. >> thanks. disturbing video of treatment still being used at a massachusetts center. shows a former student, autistic young man strapped down being shocked with electrodes. what does the school say? we're joining on why the school's fought to keep this video from not being seen. next. never heard of it. well, that's what we're doing today. car insurance x has been perfected over the past 75 years. it's tasty. our second car insurance... they've not been around very long. mmmm... no good! no good? no good! so you chose geico over the other.
the school calls it aversive therapy for hard to control kids who are a danger to themselves and haven't been helped by anything else. but a recently released video has renewed calls to close the school. the video you're about to see is disturbing. [ screaming ] >> that's a young man, a former student who was shocked 41 times over seven hours ultimately strapped down continued to be shocked. andre has autism. the shid owe was evidence in a lawsuit his family settled. what happened to andre isn't the norm, they say. but they are not backing off claims that shocks help their students and save lives preventing them from dangerous behaviors. on the website the school says the device they used is fda approved.
it isn't. we checked with the fda. they told us they cleared the device, that's the word. cleared in 1994 for use by the center on the basis it was the same as an aversive conditioning device on the market. but in 2010 fda inspectors discovered the school was using a souped-up version that gave more powerful shocks. inspectors were concerned about the risk of burns. as a result the agency says it told the school back in 2010 the device was no longer quote, unquote cleared under its earlier ruling. it's not clear what's happened since then. the fda declined to comment since then. in a statement the school provided us last week, they said quote, behavior modification techniques involving the use of aversive interventions including skin shock are heavily regulated in massachusetts by massachusetts dds and the massachusetts department of early education and care.
what the website doesn't mention is skin shocks have been banned in massachusetts since last september. the health and human services department told us quote, the administration filed regulations last year to ban the use of aversive therapies for any student who was not already receiving averse therapies by order of the probate and family court. any student who enrolled after september 2011 cannot be shocked under the new state guidelines. students who were enrolled before then can still be shocked. nathan is a research director at the center. he joins me now. along with kevin pelfrey, a neuroscientist at yale university. kevin, did i mangle your last name? >> just a little bit. >> describe what happens in the body when a shock like this is administrated in the case of andre where it's 31 times in seven hours.
>> sure. from the point of view of the experience of the person being shocked, obviously it's painful. and that sets off a cascade of biological events. essentially an activation of what we call the stress response. the type of response you feel if you narrowly escape a car accident, a fight or flight response. and so that unleashes a set of stress hormones that we know are very bad for the body. they cause all types of illnesses over time. so this is well known to cause harm to individuals. types of things we try to avoid in our daily lives. >> nathan, you're a board certified analyst for this center and you have students you oversee. why is it okay to shock autistic students, others with severe developmental disabilities when
prisoners aren't shocked, murderers aren't shocked to control their behavior? >> well, you have to remember this is not retribution. we're not trying to get back at people for behavior. what we're trying to do is to reduce their problem behaviors to near zero level so they can learn additional skills and so they can be free of medications and free of mechanical and physical restraints. >> but with that logic, why not shock prisoners who are unruly, prisoners who are difficult? people would say that is inhumane. >> what we're looking to do here is -- when prisoners are often removed from society because they're dangerous to others and because of that's the way the legal system works. this is a different process here. what we're trying to do is treat these individuals so they no longer require skin shock in many cases or they can discontinue other programs that
are dangerous or have side effects that are worse. >> but i've talked to parents whose kids are now grown adults and are still at the center. they've been there since the '80s and still receiving shocks. >> there are a certain type of -- there's a certain type of behavior problem with the behavior is maintained by unknown causes. where we find that on a long-term basis the procedure is required in order for the person to maintain a good quality of life. now, that's not that different than a lot of procedures that many of us use that are prosthetic in nature. a lot of antipsychotic medications are prosthetic in nature and only work as long as people take them. people are taking all types of drugs the moment they stop taking them, the symptoms or problems return. now, if we can give someone a -- that exhibits extraordinarily dangerous behavior problems such as hitting their heads until they blind themselves or pulling out their own teeth or physical aggression that's so severe that they injure everyone who cares
for them, if we can eliminate those behaviors then that person can live -- >> has this been peer reviewed? >> there are a whole slew of studies related to the use of skin shock. >> studies that mostly come from this center. but has this been peer reviewed? that's how this stuff works. you submit it and it gets peer reviewed. >> most of the studies have not come from the judge rotenburg center. >> has it been by you? >> they've been published by multiple authors. there's numerous papers that show this procedure is safe and that it's effective. the side effects are mostly positive in nature. >> kevin, you not only studied kids with autism, you're the father of two children with autism. if this has been peer reviewed, why is this the only center that does this? >> well, i could have missed it, but i spent quite a bit of time
today -- my colleague and i -- looking for peer reviewed articles in all of the usual sources we use to find biomedical research. we just couldn't find anything that wasn't published online without peer review supporting the advocacy. and the other component is what we could find coming out online, again, not peer reviewed. as far as we could tell was not comparing this therapy to other therapies that have -- that don't have the experience of pain as a component. which would be absolutely critical to evaluate its scientific effectiveness. >> supporters of the school say look, these are kids or teens or adults who no one else will accept. have been other places and haven't worked out, they're violent in some cases and are dangers to themselves. they gain weight.
they're listless. they are not themselves. >> i understand the point of view, but i would argue that given the long literature that goes back about a hundred years in terms of behavioral research, we know that punishment in the long term does relatively little to effect behavior in the long-term. once it's removed, behaviors come back. and it doesn't treat the underlying cause. so the medications are designed to treat the underlying cause. so they're bilogically based and evidence based. they can be combined with behavioral techniques that are wonderful that focus on reward and positive re-enforcement. and the two combined, i would hypothesize would work much better than using a form of punishment. >> nathan, supporters of this
say it's like a bee sting, the electric shock. bee stings are painful especially if they're doing it 31 times in seven hours. there have been other cases of students shocked multiple times that have gone to court. and you developed a device which is even stronger because for some people, the lower levels of shock doesn't seem to work. >> yes. what we want to do with all treatments is we want to weigh the risks and the benefits of the treatments that we're looking at. and so all treatments have a certain probability of success. they have certain side effects associated with them. and they have a certain efficacy. and going back to what the other speaker was talking about, first of all, i would be more than happy to share all the peer reviewed studies on this topic with him. second of all, the people that are referred to our program have been on all of these types of procedures for decades. they've received early autism
intervention and received positive re-enforcement procedures. they received special education training. and they've been on massive doses of agents that caused thoem have obesity that increased their risk of sudden cardiac death. and because of the medications people were given, they experienced seizures and had to go to the hospital. one person nearly died because of these drugs. so i think if you look at it from a risk/benefit profile, the procedures like skin shock are extremely effective for those rare problem behaviors that can't be treated anywhere else. and they are far safer than the alternatives of long-term restraints, of high doses of antipsychotic medications. and remember, we're using this after all the procedures such as
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time for the ridiculist. tonight we are reeling over the tale of a fish fry gone awry. at a restaurant in wisconsin everything was going swimmingly until a guy started carping about what the definition of all is. >> i need more fish on my dish. >> his name is bill and he ate a bunch of fried fish on his dish. got more to go. something like 20 pieces in all. reportedly the restaurant
started to run out. finally they told bill he was cut off. >> we asked for more fish and they refused to give us any more fish. it's false advertising. >> so bill did what anyone would do when faced with this type of egregious trout withholding. he called the police. >> what do you need the police department for? >> well, i'm eating at this restaurant all you can eat fish. >> uh-huh. >> and i just asked for more fish. they gave me four pieces. and they refused to give me more fish. and it's on the sign in front of the building. all you can eat friday fish fry. >> yeah. he called the sheriff's dispatcher. not only call the office, he started picketing the restaurant. i think he wrote his slogan on card board with a ballpoint pen. i think it says poor business practices. when you picket an all you can eat fish fry, you got to use a
sharpie. bill's whole beef could be a red herring because our crusader for the more fish on the dish has a history of being a problem customer at this restaurant. for one thing, he was reportedly up to his bass in a tab he never paid off. sounds like bill's bill may have been substantial because it isn't just the all you can eat frish fry that has him hooked. >> they do have some of the best pizza in town if you like deep dish pizza. >> quite an endorsement. he's reportedly been banned. between the unpaid tab and calling the police and picketing, unlike bill himself at the all you can eat fish fry, they'd had enough. that's what we call the scales of justice on the ridiculist. that's it for us. we'll see you again one hour from now. "piers morgan tonight" starts now. >