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martin, zimmerman barely made the deadline to report to jail today. when we last spoke, he had 45 minutes left. why did he have to turn himself in? explain to our viewers. >> well, this is all going back to, of course, last friday when the state introduced evidence that seemed to indicate that george zimmerman and his family had not been completely honest as to their finances, how much money they had, and that all weighed in to the judge's decision on where to set bond. it seems the family actually had access to a lot of money. and that set up everything that happened with the judge revoking the bond and george zimmerman having to show up here and turn himself in, and he did it, as you say, with 45 minutes to spare. he actually turned himself in to authorities at the side of a highway. listen to the sheriff describe that scene. >> george zimmerman met two members of the sheriff's office in the area of lake mary at i-4, was placed into custody, transported to the correctional facility. he is being booked and processed
as per judge lester's order. he'll be held on a no bond status. >> he's also being held in solitary. he won't be mixing with the general population. don? >> what an interesting turn. so many twist and see turns in this case. what happens now next for zimmerman? will his lawyers try to get him released again, marty? >> that's what his lawyer wants. he's going to file that motion tomorrow. we don't know exactly when the judge will take it up, but there's a more disconcerting issue here. this was brought up by the attorney of young trayvon martin who was killed by george zimmerman, and it was raised by the defense attorney. that goes to the issue of credibility. if george zimmerman lied about money, what else could he be lying about? this was the self-defense case in which he was the only survivor.
here's his attorney talking about that. >> there is a credibility question that now needs to be sort of rehabilitated by explaining away what they were thinking when they did what they did, if that's what happened, and we'll address it. >> so the events of these past couple of days could come back to haunt george zimmerman when there is a trial. don? >> and we will be following it. thank you, martin savage, in florida. zimmerman says he shot 17-year-old trayvon martin to death on february 26. martin was walking through zimmerman's gated neighborhood in sanford, florida. zimmerman told police it was self-defense. early april zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder. that means a potential for life in prison. a few days later, zimmerman posted bail and is free until today when he surrendered to police. zimmerman's trial is not expected to start until next year. defense attorney holly hughes is going to join me in a few minutes and we're going to talk
about what this means for zimmerman's credibility issue and what this means for his credibility now and whether his lawyers can do damage control. darkness is hampering massive efforts to find a catastrophic plane crash in nigeria. a nigerian passenger plane careen sbud a neighborhood, setting three homes on fire. emergency officials tell us all 350 people on board were killed. vladimir was near the scene earlier and he told cnn networks international what he saw. >> this plane crashed in a heavily populated area where the houses are literally on top of each other, and so what we could see were just flames and pieces of wreckage and pieces of or just houses that had been demolished. >> right now police and fire crews sifting through the smolderring wreckage in search of anyone who was injured or
killed on the ground. we go to egypt now. anger over the verdict of a court ruling which spared the life of the ousted president and cleared six of his aides. mubarak was sentenced to jail for the killings. he denied his government had anything to do with last week's massacre in the town of houla. he blames terrorists for the deaths of more than 100 people, including children. this video appears to show protests right after his speech, calling for the syrian president's execution. in new mexico, more than 1200 firefighters are battling the largest fire in that state's history. the blaze in gila national
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the voters just two days away in wisconsin fueled by anger of scott walker's decision to strip voters of their bargaining right. he argued that it was essential to reforming the budget. the recall drive has taken more than a year and polls show the race is too close to call right now. his opponent is democratic milwaukee mayor tom barrett. walker was defeated when he was reelected in 2010. both candidates are doing whatever it takes to get their most ardent supporters to the polls. >> this is getting me in trouble.
>> he's not kidding. meet walker supporter oriana paul. a former dog walker in sheboygan, she's now a volunteer. and that comes at a price. >> i was walking down the street taking videos of both sides, and a woman came out of the crowd and whacked me with her sign. >> she posted it on youtube. >> i've never seen anything like it in my life. >> her car has been spit on and keyed. she says it's no doubt because of her signs. >> where is the civility? why can't we be applicabl amica differing opinions. >> wayne is on the other side of the battle. an english professor in wis con sin's milwaukee, he takes the brunt of the education cuts. he and his wife came up with a constructive way to get their
message out after dark. dozens get together on overpasses with illuminated signs that he built in his basement. on this particular evening, the group chose a bridge over the baseball stadium just as a game let out. >> my mom says i'm not allowed to say that sort of stuff. >> paul has seen the same kind of attacks as oriana paul. >> i was personally attacked and my camera was stripped from my hands, and i was knocked down. >> neither one of these activisted will be amended once tuesday comes. >> we need a lot of healing. . it's so divided, and regardless of who wins on tuesday, it will still be divided. >> it's not going away any time soon. >> so chris, what are like the
tea party doing this weekend to get their vote out to people on tuesday. >> well, the tea party express and another tea party-related group, americans with prosperity, have been doing a couple bus tours here this week in wisconsin, and their message really has been that governor wau walker's policies has worth. they're knocking on doors, making phone calls. they really feel this could come down to just a thousand few voters who are undecided. >> all the others say, hey, he's in the lead. appreciate it, chris. and of course it is the economy that matters most. may was the worst month in two years for the stock market, and frid friday. and what a week.
and thank you for joining us. i specifically wanted someone to come on and give us fact, not idealogy. i'm glad you're going to do that. how are these economic numbers related? for example, is a falling market affecting consumer confidence? can you connect those dots for us? >> oh, yes, certainly it is. i think that the market conditions late this last week were really pretty horrific. but they represent sort of a culmination of a growing anxiety among investors. most investors are ordinary people just like you and i are even if they're working for investment firms. i've met hundreds of them over the years. and i think a lot of it started with the failed facebook ipo. that was sort of held out among institutional investors as something that could maybe bring confidence back to the marketplace and get individual investors excited and confident in the market again and starting to make decisions, young people entering the work force, putting their 401(k) into the equities markets in the u.s.
it failed utterly in that regard. notwithstanding the percentage drop and the value of facebook, just the fact that it felt like a complete failure, and particularly a failure for individual investors. that started the ball rolling down the hill and the unemployment numbers didn't make it any better. >> and it's still being investigated. i don't know exactly what happened with the initial offering with the ipo. and it's about consumer confidence, but it's also about confidence in businesses. businesses have money they're holding onto, they're not spending it, they're not hiring people because they're not confident. >> right. >> what about this malaise factor? it brought down jimmy carter in 1979 when he was a democratic president looking to be reelected in a bad economy. this is how he presented to the american people. >> it is a crisis of confidence. it is a confidence that strikes at the very heart and soul and spirit of our national will. we can see this crisis, and the
growing doubt about the meaning of our own lives and a loss of unity and purpose for our nation. >> so, ann, it is obvious that president obama is a more gifted speaker than jimmy carter, but does the current president face a similar economic puzzle, and more importantly, does president obama have the tools to do anything about it? >> well, i do think that there are some tools, but i think the malaise that we feel is much more a global malaise perhaps even more than it was back then. >> can you say that -- again, i think that's very important. >> i think the malaise we feel now is much, much more global than it was when he made that speech. china is becoming a completely different country than it was 10 or even 5 years ago when it was
consuming a lot of growth here in the united states. we didn't even mention europe. europe practically boiled over its teapot, political issues globally that the united states is only so capable of expecting, and in many ways, we received the impact of those blows. >> so this is a whole different ball game than the sort of confidence or the lack of confidence faced back in 1979 and 1980. >> right. >> we're going to have to run, i'm running out of time, but should we brace for a bad stock market, more volatility in the coming week. >> they can borrow it at but i do think we're going to see a lot of volatility and a lot.
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penn state assistant football coach jerry sandusky set to walk into a courtroom and face his accusers seven months after his initial arrest. he is facing child rape charges on tuesday. cnn's national correspondent susan candiotti explains that his biggest problem may be trying to defend himself in the court of public opinion. >> reporter: it was a riveting moment. ten days after jerry sandusky was arrested on dozens of charges that he raped, sodomized and fondled young boys, he called nbc's bob costas.
the former football coach denied being a pedophile, and then this. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, underage boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underage boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted? no. i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> i think that there was an intention by his defense attorney, amendola, to humanize him to establish he's sort of an uncle who kind of likes boys but not in a sexual way and sort of a healthy, normal way. and i think that interview backfired. >> the case sparked shock and outrage on campus, and when the university fired head coach joe paterno, who has since died, it set off this clash. there were ten victims who were as young as ten years old. for now, none have been publicly
named. prosecutors don't know the identity of two of them. now it's time for sandusky's accusers to take the witness stand, the defense prepared to crack their credibility. >> anything based on it. >> also expected to testify, a key witness to one of the alleged rapes. and state assistant coach mike mcquery, then a graduate student, who said he saw sandusky in a shower one night with a young boy. sandusky met his young victims through his charity for disadvantaged children, the second mile. sandusky has pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him. will he take the stand to defend himself? and what else might be revealed at trial? a recent defense motion raises the possibility prosecutors may bring up other allegations of abuse to help establish a pattern. sandusky's lawyers have lost several attempts to delay the start of the trial.
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$15,000. turns out zimmerman and his wife have been raking in quite a bit of money from on-line donations. how much do we know, hundreds of thousands of dollars? >> we're up over $200,000 right now. >> so when a judge let's a suspect out on bail, there is a presumption the suspect will folsom rules, he'll stay where he's supposed to stay, he'll stay out of trouble. why would he -- that's what i don't understand. there was new evidence coming out. you saw the blood on the head, there might have been a scuffle, that appeared to be in george zimmerman's favor. what was he thinking? >> because he didn't think he was going to get caught. that's the short answer, don. he thought if he let his wife testify, well, we don't really know about the money, and if he didn't disclose to his lawyer what was going on before that bond hearing that he could just that plausible denyability. >> he's facing murder charges. >> but doesn't it tell you where his mindset is? i can skate? i can just convince them i'm telling the truth? he shot himself in the foot
because the defense has to bring a motion in this case. the motion is the stand your ground motion. that's argued before a judge, not a jury, so the judge is going to be the one who decides credibility. guess who the main witness has to be? >> george zimmerman. >> george zimmerman. >> isn't this supposed to be compartmentalized? but this judge is going to preside over portions -- >> of course, and he's going to preside over that motion. he is the sole judge of credibility there, and let's face it, he wouldn't be a very smart judge if he discarded what he already knows about george zimmerman's propensity to lie. >> this is a hole he's dug himself into, right? >> absolutely. >> can mark o'meara get him out of it. >> he can, because he's a remarkable attorney. he'll say, okay, judge, let's set another bond. it's going to be a much, much higher bond. >> maybe there's something we don't know. ybe he didn't know. how should he have handled the financial -- >> here's what makes me think he
did know. because who set those things up? and remember this, his brother, robert zimmerman, was all over the news, he was willing to talk to everybody. prior to that bond hearing, suddenly he's unavailable for the bond hearing. >> we've got to go, we've got to move on, but they're going to try to use this, right, in the trial next year? this is going to come out? >> it may or may not. it will be a motion in limine to keep this out of evidence. >> i want to get a look at some of your national headlines right now. massive recovery efforts under way at the scene of a fiery plane crash in nigeria. a passenger jet careened into a neighborhood, setting three homes on fire. emergency officials say all 150 people on board died. searchers are scouring the rubble on the ground right now. a rebel in egypt is packed again tonight, this time a
ruling over mubarak being spared the death penalty. he killed protesters during last year's uprising. mub walkarak mubarak's two sons were cleared of some charges but remain on jail for money laundering counts. what a sight. in london, as more than a million people line the river tems to celebrate with the queen and the royal family on board was joined by about 1,000 vessels for the river pageant. diamond jubilee celebrates 60 years on the throne. the last time for diamond jubilee for britain's longest serving monarch. survey said -- >> richard dawson, a long-time original host of family feud has died. his son announced dawson passed away last night in los angeles after a battle with cancer.
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through the area also sounded good to california voters, so they brought up the idea to san fran. you know what they're getting instead? fresno to burbank, slower with fewer stops. we reveal how this plan got off track. >> reporter: it sure looks like the future. an animated version of california's high speed rail, and it sounded really cool, too. l.a. to san francisco at more than 200 miles an hour. no planes, no cars, no fuss. that's why californians voted for it back in 2008, passing a $10 billion bond measure for a train that was projected to eventually cost $34 billion. keeping them honest, it's now four years later. not a single track has been laid and a bombshell report was dropped on california's taxpayers last fall. their $34 billion train would actually cost closer to three times the estimated amount. >> the new business plan put the
cost estimate at about 98 to 118 billion. >> reporter: it was a shocker. three times the estimated cost, and guess what, you, the federal taxpayer, might be on the hook for a big chunk of it. we'll get to how that's possible in just a moment. but in california, the sticker shock cost yet another change in accounting, a big turnover with california's high speed rail board, and another turn at where the train will go and another thought of how fast. a new route, a new slower speed and a new cost estimate. >> first, beginning next year, we will commence construction here in the valley. >> there is no question that the costs have gone up. >> reporter: dan richard is the new chairman of california's high speed rail authority and co-author of that report that sent the high speed rail plan,
well, slightly off track. >> it was meant to engender comment. it did that quite successfully, and we're looking at how to revise the plan and go forward. >> reporter: but it turns out the latest plan could be for i ach slower train, not exactly the high speed futuristic cartoon california voters approved four years ago. more of a hybrid that goes slower, makes a few more stops and doesn't quite deliver the l.a. to san francisco promise of just a few hours. and that's not the half of it. this is about to become really political. california's high speed rail has won one huge backer, president barack obama, and that is where you come in. the administration has pledged $3.5 billion in stimulus money, also known as federal tax dollars, and that's just so far. now california admits it will need even more, tens of billions
of dollars more from federal taxpayers to finish it. but first you have to start, and that's where it really gets dicey. the foundational segment, the first stretch of track, will cost at least $6 billion alone, and under the new plan will connect fresno to burbank. it won't go anywhere near san francisco and in the process will dissect generations old towns that don't want it. >> we want them to stay off the land. it is not our intention to allow this to happen through our property. we farm here for a reason. the tranquility of it all, this is farming country, and we want to keep it like that. >> reporter: usc's lisa schweitzer, a skeptic, says the high speed rail board is doing everything it can to make reroutes than spend tens of billions of dollars for a train
that few want to ride. >> everything has a possibility of becoming a sefundra. it can always run high where our plans run tough. >> rail board chairman dan richard says they've already got the promise of 3 billion in your tax dollars in federal stimulus. california may not get another dime from president obama, but it has no intention of giving back the 3 billion already promised or the billions more from california voters. >> so let's be very clear on this point. we have $6 billion to build the foundational segment. >> reporter: even if that foundational segment turns out to be a high speed rail, well, to nowhere. >> through griffin reporting.
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tech reporter alejandra hola, it's your first time. and you're speaking english. >> my first time not only speaking english but on tv. >> you're going to be great. >> i heard you're very nice, very laid back. i've seen you on tv here, so i feel comfortable with you, don. >> you've got some very good information here. almost all of these apps you're talking about are free. the first one motivates us to exercise. >> absolutely. this is personally my favorite app. it's called nike plus gps. so you can see on this application, i've used it a total of 16 times. i run 78.63 miles those 16 times. what i like about it is an application that's been out for a while, however, there are little features that a lot of
people don't use so i want to show it to you. the first one, let's see history, right? this is a list of every single run i've done. if i click on the number and i look -- >> so it basically keeps you honest, right? >> absolutely, yes. >> you get to chart your progress by doing it, which most people probably don't do. >> it's a little bit hard to actually do that when you're running by yourself, but you can see how much you've been running for all that time. when you go back home, you have something called tag, which you can invite somebody to this application, and what they can do is they can run with you, although they're not right next to you, so whoever runs the most wins the prize. >> it's like the person i'm playing on line for my card game which is mostly what i do. >> it's kind of like a game, exactly. >> there is another app for the supermarket that can help you out in the supermarket. what is that one? >> it's called food indicates.
touf sc you have to scan the bar code right here, 1, 2, 3, it shows you the product. after it shows you the product, it tells you the grade the product has. it has an a minus, which means you are allowed to buy it, it's going to be good for you. it's actually really cool. >> what's the name of it again? >> fooducate. >> fooducate. okay. >> it's free. let's say you scanned something you don't like or it might have a c minus, it gives you an alternative to buy that might taste the same. >> and the last one here could be good for anyone even though it's not trying to get in shape. what is this one about? >> this is like having a doctor in your pocket. it's the best thing ever. it's called itriage.
it gives you personal information, your medical history. you can link your medical history here in the application. you have a really cool app here because you have a body -- i don't know if you can see it well -- you can touch any part of this body that would, quote, unquote, hurt you. let's say our hand hurts, right? so it finds any type of pain that you might have. >> and you sort of zero in on it and it gives you advice. >> after all the symptoms, you can actually turn it around, you can change the jegenders. another cool thing it has, it has hot lines. advice lines for people that might actually be important to have nearby when you're moving to a new place or whatnot. >> what's the name of the website again? >> itriage. >> we'll link it on our blog
cnntv.com. you shouldn't worry about your acce accent. i'm sure people aren't even listening to what you're saying. i'm sure they are. you're a very attractive lady and you're also very smart. >> thank you. >> are you going to speak to us in spanish here? [ spoke spanish ] >> i don't speak spanish very well. >> how about every time i come here after the show, you and i. [ spoke spanish ] >> i like that last one a lot. this is what i do a lot. >> that's your card game. >> that's my card game. it's spades. >> i like that. all right. >> thank you, alejandre. there it is, right smack in the mil middle of an intersection right outside houston. this is a mockup, it's not the
real deal. it used to be outside the space center in florida. now it's heading to its permanent home in the space center in houston. the shuttle is being floated down the hudson river as we speak. the enterprise's new home will be at the intrepid air and space museum. how cool. legendary journalist walter cronkite. next hear why president john f. kennedy became testy with him in an interview and why he talked him into running for president against lyndon b. johnson. careful, pringles are bursting with more flavor.
prom nant anchors like dan rather and tom brokaw have criticized cozy relationships between journalists and politicians. i asked author of "cronkite" whether close relationships between journalists and presidents was an issue. >> no, it wasn't. cronkite tried to stay objective. the truth is you all have biases, favorites. he got very close to dwight eisenhower because cronkite covered d-day as a wartime correspondent in world war ii. that he had good, aimable relationship. john f. kennedy's relationship with cronkite was quite testy because kennedy wanted to do a do-over on an interview like we're doing now. cronkite said no. kennedy was miffed. he became very close to bobby kennedy. i write in the book in 1968 walter cronkite even urged bobby kennedy to run for president. kennedy being the new york senator at that time.
and challenge lyndon johnson for the democratic nomination because cronkite had gone to vietnam and was sick by what he saw about the johnson administration had lied to the american people and called the war a stalemate. many people are questioning why would a cronkite, a serious journalist, urge somebody like bobby kennedy to run for president. the answer is vietnam tore the country apart. cronkite stayed in the middle from '55 to '68. once he went inside the country being a humanist transcended being an anchor. >> i want to talk about this whole idea of liberal and conservative when it comes to news. we hear so much about it now. especially with the advent of cable news. some people being on the right and being on the left. was walter cronkite considered a liberal in those days, did people know about it and was he criticized for it? >> he was not considered a liberal until 1968. then he was classified as a
dove. and then the nixon crowd, i've listened to all the nixon tapes with people like chuck colson and others going after walter cronkite. cronkite had become so popular he was seen as the patriarch of liberal media. the american people decided long ago they liked uncle walter p so he survived all of that on nixon. more than that, alter woodward and bernstein's "washington post," nobody took back page story about a third rate burglary at watergate seriously. cronkite did. he sent out reporters to investigate. cronkite's half an hour broadcast, which with commercials was 23 minutes, he ran a 17-minute piece backing up woodward and bernstein. that's what turned water gagate into baa ba big story. in a way cronkite outlast and out drew nixon and johnson.
at the time, cronkite was a bigger star, celebrity, more respected than even the presidents of the united states of that era. his last time he did a big election was 1980. reagan won. again, cronkite was a buddy with reagan. they shared the same sense of humor and they both began doing sports broadcasting in the midwest. cronkite had different personal friends, but reagan, he did well with. and eisenhower well. they were republicans. yet he was personally an fdr new deal democrat liberal. >> he was loved by america. was he necessarily loved by the men who followed him and the men who preceded him? >> there was a great deal of animosity between murrow and cronkite. it dated back to a broken handshake agreement cronkite had made with murrow during world war ii to work for cbs rid owe in stalin grad and had wiser thoughts about it. murrow held a bit of a grudge.
dan rather succeeded cronkite. cronkite was for rather. within a year, the relationship soured. cronkite thought rather should be canned and fired. it's not a great story there. you know, rather, to his credit, has kind of just took the kicks of cronkite and just kept doing his job at cbs and doing it well. >> before i let you go, any big surprises in this book? >> many. i talk about cronkite secretly meeting with daniel ellsberg to deal with the pentagon papers. i deal with a group of gay raider interrupted the broadcast of cronkite, angry that gay issues were not being covered on cbs. cronkite had to go to court with this guy. mark seegle's his name. he runs the gay newspaper in philadelphia. and cronkite tapped seegle in the courtroom on his shoulder and said, why did you do that? they got to talking. cronkite decided he was right and started running, you know,
gay events on the nightly news and seegle became one of his closest and dearest friends. cronkite became a spokesman for aids awareness and would emcee big benefits with elton john and the like. there are all sorts of sort of surprising stories in the book. >> thanks, douglas brinkley. from douglas brinkley to country music superstar tim mcgraw and how he is giving back to veterans. that's why programs like... ...the mickelson exxonmobil teachers academy... ...and astronaut sally ride's science academy are helping our educators improve student success in math and science. let's shoot for the stars. let's invest in our teachers and inspire our students. let's solve this.
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this weekend tim mcgraw is kicking off his brothers of the sun tour along with kenny chesney. the hugely successful country music star is also giving back partnering with veterans groups and chase back to give away 25 homes to wounded veterans on this tour. cnn's fredricka whitfield talked with him. >> why is this so important to you to help kick off your tour in 25 cities, 25 cities where mortgage free homes would go to vets? >> you know, it's just when this was all kicked around, and we were trying to decide if it was all going to come together, i couldn't think of anything better. my sister was -- is a veteran of the first gulf war. my uncle was a vietnam veteran. my grandfather was a world war ii veteran. some of my best friends. see how families sort of come together and survive those sort of times, and then when you see soldiers come home that are wounded and they can't sort of get their lives together and things are not going right, to sort of have -- it's that freedom for a soldier to have that. to come back from being wounded
and given everything that he's had, for us to be able to live in our home, to be able to get in our car and to drive around and go to our jobs. and to have that sort of sense of freedom and that sort of sense of security for their family, i can't think of anything better for a wounded soldier to have. >> for more on that, c cnn.com/fredricka. i'm don lemon at cnn world headquarters in atlanta. see you back here at 10:00 see you back here at 10:00 eastern. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com incredible. almost like. this moment has kicked off a huge period of excitement. >> that's the vehicle that's housing, right now, prince william and kate. they're in that range rover. >> i think her skill is to observe, to take advice from her husband and others in the royal household. i think at the same time she definitely has a genuine