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50% for tom barrett, the democrat, the mayor of milwaukee. he's on the right. scott walker is the incumbent republican governor. this is a race to recall him, to remove him from office. based on the exit polls that we've been conducting throughout the day. right now the exit polls show it's 50% for walker, 50% for barrett. doesn't get much closer than this. obviously we are in no prediction to make a projection of the winner in this race. also by the way for the lieutenant governor race, the lieutenant governor rebecca clayfish. she is also being -- there's a recall election for her. and mitchell, the democratic challenger. 50/50 in that race as well. based on the polls we're getting. john king is at the magic wall. john, it's suggested we're going to be working a long night tonight if it's as close as the exit polls suggest. >> let's take a deeper look at
more exit poll questions. let's look deeper see if we can learn anything about the electorate in wisconsin tonight. number one, you have city voters, urban voters, and rural voters. let's see how they're voting tonight. you see a big win for the democrat there. 2/3 in urban areas for the democrats. it tends to match up with the 50/50. scott walker needs to match that in rural areas. that's about 1/3 of the vote. let's see in the rural areas. he is, indeed. but not a margin. this could be important to us. do rural voters in national elections, they tend to be trending republican. the republicans winning here. the question is will that margin be enough? let's go over the look again. there was a big question here about turnout. younger voters are important to the democrats. i talked to someone on the ground earlier who voiced concern.
we'll look at that. the republicans have to be happy with this number. older voters have been trending republican in recent years. we'll see how they voted tonight. that percentage of the electorate is higher than 2010 when scott walker was elected. what about income groups? this has been a vote about jobs and economy. 25% of the electorate, those who make between $50,000 and $75,000 a year. why do we have a 50/50 race? because we have a split in the state of wisconsin. let's look at one more here. these are the big issues. this is stunning to me. how did this start? restricting collective bargaining rights asking employees to pay more for their pensions. how did they feel on election day? look at that. 37% strongly approve of limiting those rights. 38% strongly disapprove. let's take a breakdown on how they voted. walker not surprising there getting 95% of the votes for
those who strongly approve of what he did. let's check the other side here and see if mayor barrett has equal numbers. there you go. 97% there. you see the polarized electorate around the issue. 50/50 in the horse race numbers. we see the breakdown. we see that people are tired by the partisanship. they're disgusted by both parties. we're going to count the votes. we have key counties to look at. we're going to be at this awhile. >> indeed. stand by, john. i don't want you to go too far away. once again, the exit polls showing a 50/50 race right now out of the exit polls. all the polls in wisconsin are now closed. the stakes certainly extraordinarily high in this election with republicans and democrats alike. they're watching wisconsin for signs of what's to come in november. no one knows that better than the chairman of the republican national committee. also a native of wisconsin. thanks very much for joining us.
i know a lot of republicans were expecting a win for walker. you may still win, but it looks incredibly close right now. first of all, what are you hearing from your republican sources in wisconsin? >> well, everyone we're talking to and our field staff and walker's team, we feel good about where we're at right now. we've had to work hard in this state for everything we've had. it's a big turnout operation -- >> when you say you feel as good as you've ever felt, 50/50. all the other polls showed a lead sometimes three points, sometimes five points for walker. are you surprised that the exit polls now, the exit polls we've been gathering throughout the day show a 50/50 tie at least as of now?
>> i'm not surprised it's going to be close, wolf. i'm not surprised exit polls show it close. it's going to be a close race. where the polls come from, how it's sampled, and where it goes. i think it makes a big difference. ultimately ipg people in the state of wisconsin are going to reward people of their word that keep their promises. that's scott walker and rebecca clayfish. i expect that to be the result tonight. >> the results from tonight, let's say it's very close. what if anything would that say to you about wisconsin coming up in november because the democrats in presidential contests have carried wisconsin for a long time. >> well, you know what? it's true. it's a state that could go red under the right circumstances. but i think we've consistently shown over the last couple years in tough battles, republicans
can win here. we've got a great ground operation. i think we're better than the democrats on the ground. and we have to be. in order to win in wisconsin. i always -- i kind of think this narrative about their ground effort and our air effort is a false narrative. we have to have a better ground game to win in wisconsin. that's why we have won here over the last few years. i expect that to hold true tonight. we're going to see hopefully very soon scott walker on the stage behind me in victory. >> as you know, scott walker raised a lot more money than tom barrett, the democratic challenger. maybe six, seven, eight, ten times. yet see how close it is. how do you explain that? >> i think the unions are spending a whole lot of money you don't see yet. there are undisclosed unions. i don't think anyone doubts the fact that we wouldn't be standing here tonight if it wasn't for big public employee
unions that paid for walkers to get this. we're here because of big unions. people around the country care about the future of this state because what happens tonight could have an impact on whether we win wisconsin or not in november. i think that's what you're seeing around the country. >> hold on to that a minute. i want to go to john king. he's got the exit polls on the presidential contest with these voters in wisconsin. we're telling our polls ters what are they suggests ahead to november? >> even though they're split on the governor, the recollection you will have to say you can ask the chairman about this. president obama has a significant edge in wisconsin. 54% said they plan to vote for president obama. 42% say they plan to vote for governor romney. why is that? let's go over here. we asked the voters who would
improve the economy? 45% say obama would support the economy. that is the key question. let's dig deeper on the economy. which candidate would better help the middle class. president obama with a 13 point advantage. you have to say the obama campaign despite what happens in the end has to feel pretty happy. >> let's get reince's reaction to that. what do you have to say to that? >> i think you can't poll today what's going to be the case in two months. this president left democrats at the alter in wisconsin when they needed him most. and i tell you what. they're going to have a circular firing squad if walker wins tonight. then president obama is going to come in here in two months and say you remember me? you have to get me elected. and they will look at the president saying thanks a lot we appreciate the help when we needed you most. that's a dynamic measure you can't measure today. you'll be able to measure it in
a couple months. >> he's the chairmanof the republican party. we'll stand by together with you and maybe we'll talk with you later as well. right now the exit polls showing 50/50 between governor walker and the challenger tom barrett. much more coming up on this. also coming up this hour, highlights of the queen's diamond jubilee. piers is in london with more on that. >> thanks, wolf. i'm here at buckingham palace. saluting the queen's 60 years on the throne. to the street parties going on well into the night. this is the event of a lifetime. i'll have all the must see moments coming up. first back to wolf for the latest news on the wisconsin recall election. >> and it is breaking indeed. thanks very much. much more of the results in just a moment. and our political all stars on how this state of wisconsin, the election there, could be a preview of the romney versus obama battle in november. stay with us. ♪ how are things on the west coast? ♪
looking at live pictures coming in from the capital of wisconsin, madison, wisconsin. the vote is now complete. but the results only beginning to trickle in. take a look at what the actual numbers that we have right now in wisconsin, the exit polls showed 50/50 tie right now. this is about 1% of the vote is in 57% for scott walker. 42% for tom barrett the democratic challenger. hari trivedi not getting much. i want to bring in our political all star panel. dana lash is editor of big
journalism.com. tonya acker is joining us. and our newest cnn contributor ryan liz correspondent of "the new yorker" magazine. good to have you on board. ryan, give us your thoughts. it wasn't necessarily supposed to be this close. 50/50 according to the preliminary exit poll numbers. we'll see what the actual official numbers bring in, but it's very, very tight despite the fact that the republicans completely out spent the democrats. >> not to completely drag it into the politics and the president, but if barrett loses this thing by a tiny margin, there's going to be a lot of second guessing from democrats asking why the president didn't go into wisconsin and make a last-minute appeal. >> why didn't he? >> well, look. if obama loses wisconsin in the fall, he's got -- you know, he's lost the race. democrats have won wisconsin in
every presidential election since 1984. i think he's not really worried about wisconsin. i think he learned a lesson in the earlier races in his term like in 2009 when he campaigned in a couple of states. new jersey and virginia. and republicans won. and i think they're cautious about where they send the president and how they use his political capital. i think they didn't want to send him in there. and then see walker win. because that would be embarrassing. he did obviously endorse barrett, the democrat. he put that on his twitter feed last night. as you know, wolf. sending out a tweet is about the lowest level of endorsement you can do in politics these days. >> yeah. it's not very impressive. let me bring tonya into this conversation. he was in neighboring minnesota. he was in neighboring illinois. he flew over wisconsin. didn't want to get near wisconsin. and as ryan says, if the republicans wind up eking out a narrow win, there's going to be
a lot of second guessing whether the president could have done more to help the mayor of milwaukee become the governor of wisconsin. >> i think it's important, wolf, to remember the uniqueness of the election. this was a recall. this is not an election in the first instance. only two governors in the history of the united states have been recalled. the notion of having a president come in. there'll be a lot of second guessing regardless how it turns out. a recall election, i'm a californian. it's something we like in my state but they don't often work. and there are a lot of voters -- it's interesting how close this is because there are a lot of voters that aren't necessarily supportive of the governor but didn't necessarily think the recall was the appropriate mechanism for getting him out of office. i think there are a lot of different factors at play. it's maybe premature to think this is a national referendum on barack obama. >> i suspect might not
necessarily be a national referendum if you look at the lopsided advantage. the polls show the president has over mitt romney. romney didn't make an appearance in wisconsin either. though plenty high profile republican surrogates showed up to back the governor. why didn't mitt romney come into wisconsin? >> i'm not sure. i think it would have been a really good idea for romney to go to wisconsin. and i think it would have been a very good showing. it would have shown a unity. but at the same time, reince priebus who was on with you and i thought it was entertaining how he said the president left democrats at the alter in wisconsin. we didn't have the rnc chairman saying that wisconsin was going to be a dry run for november as the dnc chairman has for weeks. i think democrats made it more important for president obama to show us. i do agree with what's been said.
if this turns out to be a small margin of victory, there could be ill feelings there. but i think it would have been interesting for both candidates to be there. >> you know, the one thing, though, wolf. the flip side of that is in a polarized environment, you can send the president into wisconsin and it could have the opposite effect. it could drive turnout on the other side. so that could be the calculation in the obama world as well. >> and dana, what happens if walker loses narrowly to barrett. what would be the impact? walk us through the fallout from a democratic win in wisconsin. >> oh, it's going to be a massive fallout. if there is an absolute victory for democrats and i think it's going to take more than just one win. we're also talking about
clayfish and the others in wisconsin. if there is an absolute win for democrats. say they take control of the senate and get the governor's office. that's going to be pretty huge. it'll be somewhat of a puric victory because of everything they spent. but at the same time that will also chill reform. that we'll see in other states. we're hearing of the recall function being used to get bobby jindal out of the office in louisiana. this is going to be replicated in other states as well. it's going to be considered a tactic. i worry about the state of elections. i worry about voter integrity. and i think this is also going to be a test of the grassroots movement. they have been instrumental in fund raising. i took part for rebecca clayfish. that saw $54,000 grassroots folks raised for that in one day. it's been a huge participation.
at the same time is it going to deliver results? it's a true test to the tea party. >> let me let tanya weigh in on this. walk us through the fallout from a democratic win and a republican win. give us a sentence or two on both. >> well, you know what's interesting is you talked about the money differential here. we have a stiting governor who got 2/3 of his money from out of state. the fund raising was about 8 to 1. barrett raised about $4 million. even to have it this close, i think you're going to see lots of democratic operatives who will sell this as a victory even if their candidate loses. if he does lose, i think if you see how well barack obama is polling in wisconsin, again, i think it would be a mistake to think even barrett's loss here is going to have too much blow back on the president. i think there are lots of reasons why people might oppose this recall and still support the president and still perhaps take issue with the governor's policies. i think dana made a good point.
people want to be treated as such. and there might be some folk who is in this close election might be inclined to support the president and democrats. don't think this is an appropriate use of a recall process. >> hold on for a moment. stand by. we're going to continue this conversation. obviously a very, very close contest in wisconsin right now. the preliminary exit polls showing 50/50 tie in effect for scott walker the republican incumbent governor, tom barrett the mayor of milwaukee. the challenger. much more on this story coming up throughout the night. also coming up, piers morgan is in lon don with all the must se moments of the jubilee celebrations.
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i'm at buckingham palace where the diamond jubilee is winding down. nothing can put a damper on the festivities. not even the weather. we've got all the must see moments. >> here we have the queen getting out of the carriage. 86 years old. let's just watch. >> and the other carriage now arriving as well. this is the last we will see of the queen before she appears on the balcony about an hour or so before the fly pass. senior members of the royal family going inside. duke and duchess of cambridge. prince harry.
all in immediate succession. and they will be the ones on balcony with her majesty. that's the last we're going to see of the queen for awhile. probably taking off her shoes for a moment having a cup of tea or whatever while she gets ready for this amazing appearance. here in the square the people are now going to start to move and they're going to try to start to get down the mall as far as they can. >> just watching one of the last bands here at the palace. take a look at this. you don't see this very often and will never see another diamond jubilee again. soak in a bit of the atmosphere.
>> just look at the crowds and you can hear the band. you can probably pick up the band over the microphone. you can feel it all around. all these people, thousands and thousands, perhaps a million. surrounding buckingham palace as we're all waiting for the big moment. there's this huge balcony over our shoulders where we will see the queen and her closest members of the royal family. here you go. and we're moments away from that. >> look at that. these crowds. i mean, look at the scene. you just don't see this anywhere in the world. >> we're waiting for the big wave. no kisses today. >> how do you know? >> because her husband isn't here. >> there might be other kissing on the balcony. >> we want to welcome in best selling author. we've got better weather today. we also have india hicks and
katie nichol. my question is just who the significance of who we will be seeing in a matter of minutes on the balcony. it's the closest of the royals? >> it is. the duke of edinburgh isn't here. the duchess and duke of cambridge and prince harry. usually at the queen's birthday parade you get to see the whole plethora of the royal family. not this time. the jubilee has been done to the golden jubilee and the silver jubilee. this is a slimmed down appearance by the monarchy. >> why? >> because it's about the line of succession. by sending her heir and other heir out there. that is what this is all about. >> ladies on the end, we have katie nichol and india hicks. india you were one of princess di's bridesmaids. talk about what it was like standing with her.
>> when you're all standing behind the curtains to come out, what are you doing? >> chatting. catching up with family gossip and drinking home made lemon refresher. the queen loves it. they will be beginning to open the glass doors and the rock stars as you say will be getting their way to the front. everybody just knows who's going to be out there. there'll be a push of the elbow. i must say, standing on the balcony and looking down on thousands upon thousands of upturned faces is extraordinary. it's very unusual to see peaceful crowds. so many times we see football holligans or crowds protesting. how often do we see thousands upon thousands of crowds excited? >> you and i had a disagreement about the merits of queen elizabeth in the standing of great monarchs. i believe she may be the greatest. i think after diana's death there was the possibility the
monarchy could have come to an end. now you see these scenes and they bought themselves at least a couple more generations i imagine. more importantly the queen as a role model to the british people, talk about that. >> again, i was thinking about our disagreement as well. if it hadn't been so wet and cold, i might have been more generous and less republican. but i have to say to you, i think she's a fine, fine woman. >> i believe the monarchy is stronger today than it was ten years ago. i see a real resurgence in this country. and that is tangible. >> i agree with you. i think what we see today and last year with the wedding was a real return and interest in them as a family. and some people that one could really admire and enjoy watching. i still think the danger they are in is that they are part of celebrity culture. i think the moment something goes wrong or somebody does something wrong, we'll see the
fickleness of public taste. >> katie nichol we've worked over the last 20 years or so. i think the temperature has changed. the relationship is much less confrontation confrontational. >> look who was in the carriage with the queen today. >> camilla parker bowles. >> if you want to see how things change, look at the carriage. >> this day camilla would be there, people would have thought -- >> they've had to change. they've had to modernize. i've seen the risk of the duke and duchess being stars as when they came to l.a. the monarchy needs to embrace the new age. >> and later the big moment the queen and her family on the balcony on buckingham palace. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much, i appreciate it, i'll be right back.
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the world's most famous empty bo balcony. any moment it will fill with the most famous people on the planet. we're joined by author of the book. you've covered this family for a long time. probably as long as i have. what do you think of all this? >> i think it's just a great endorsement for the royal family, isn't it? >> i feel like they've been energized these last four days to a new level again. let's talk about the historical context of this. people who made a false sujs that the queen may one day may rush through william and this kind of thing. that's not going to happen, is it? >> totally. the reigning monarch must die for the next to inherit.
you simply cannot go leapfrogging a character you think is not going to be as popular as the next one. once you start doing that, why stick with the house of windsor? and if you don't stick with the house of windsor you're into elections and then the great thing about the monarchy is it is a unifying factor in the country. the minute you have politicians or elections, half the country wants the person that's on the throne and the other half doesn't. so there's always discord. >> penny, on that historical point, it's very important i think we don't allow the monarchy to get politicized. >> i think it will be unacceptable. but the monarchy has power. it has soft power. it has moral leadership. i think that is what is -- you know, william and harry the pair of them are fantastic leaders.
>> my brother-in-law actually was one of the colonels in charge of training them at the military academy. so my sister used to have the welcome the royals. what was fascinating was he said about both the boys they were great soldiers and they never wanted to be treated any differently than any of the others. they never asked for favors and never got favors. and that again is a great tribute to the royal family. managed to stay so relatively normal. >> actually, probably as much as anybody else, prince charles and the duchess of cornwall. most boys would be carrying by the death of their memory. they have fond memories of their childhood but have managed to come through that. >> charles again, after diana dies those boys from their teenager years, it must have
been horrible. i think we have movement. we have movement. >> they're coming out. the doors will open. >> i've seen a twitching hand by the curtains. >> bursting at the seams with your british pride. >> i hope i'm seeing a twitching hand. otherwise we're staring at a empty boll cony. >> what do you think they've been doing these last minutes? >> they've been watching cnn. that's what they're doing. breaking live coverage around the world. i can definitely see something going on there. >> my mother who spent a great deal of time with the queen and is very close to her always says to know her is to admire her above all else. and i think that that today -- >> i don't think the queen wants everyone to love her. she wants her to admire her and respect her and respect the monarchy. >> i think it's the office. >> listen to this crowd.
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piers morgan. we have an update from the wisconsin recall. we've updated the exit poll information. the numbers early showed 50/50. now take a look at this. the republican incumbent governor 52% for scott walker. the democratic mayor of milwaukee, the challenger tom barre barrett, 48%. a slight advantage there for scott walker. same holding true for the lieutenant governor. john king is watching all of this unfold. it looks like a slight advantage right now for the republicans. >> slight advantage. we'll see if it continues to play out. look at dane county. that's the most important county in the state of wisconsin tonight with 18% of the vote. you see the democrat winning 55 to 44. again it's only 18% of the vote. he needs to get that number up to around 70% for any chance of carrying the state. he's not at that number. come over here to waukesha
county. and he needs to be around 70%. he's above that now with 20% of the vote in. as you look at the early results, still a ways to go here. at the moment you showed the new exit polls. governor walker is performing as he has to. so far the democrat trailing. >> we'll see what milwaukee and madison, the other cities suggest. we're going to be able to project a win at some point. we, of course, will do that whenever we get all the relevant information. in the meantime, let's go back to piers in london for more jubilee highlights right after the break.
the triple salute, a million subjects outside buckingham palace. gut reaction to what we saw? >> immense pride to be sitting here. >> it was emotional. wasn't it? >> very, very emotional. imagine how she feels. how many times she's been on that balcony. she must be missing her mother and sister who were incredibly close to her, but more so prince william who we hope is warm and cozy in the hospital. >> she looked really moved to me. she looked to me like she just took a moment because she was slightly overwhelmed by the whole thing. i haven't seen that before. coming up, queen elizabeth marks 60 years on the throne and the nation celebrates. your majesty, on the historic occasion of your diamond jubilee, michelle and i send you and all the members of the commonwealth the heart felt congratulations of the american people.
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barrett will not be the next governor of wisconsin. once again, he loses to scott walker. we base this on the exit poll information, the most recent updated exit poll information, 52% for walker, 48% for barrett. but take a look at this. 26% of the actual vote is now in, and it show a decisive advantage right now for the incumbent republican, scott walker. 60% or so, there it is right there. 60% for walker. 40% for tom barrett. you see a significant advantage, 341,000 so far with 26% of the vote in. gone up to 345,000 for walker. 230,000 for tom barrett. as a result of the actual numbers that have come in, where the numbers are coming from, the actual official results as well as the exit poll information we showed at 52/48 percentage win. at least the exit polls showed for scott walker.
cnn can now project that the republican governor will retain his job as the governor of wisconsin. a close race. the republicans obviously spent a lot more money, but scott walker will remain as governor of wisconsin. i'm wolf blitzer in for piers morgan. our coverage continues right now on "ac 360." i'm john king in for anderson cooper. let's go with the breaking news tonight. cnn now projecting scott walker the republican governor of wisconsin will withstand a recall challenge from tom barrett. the republican winning in a hotly contested nationally watched recall election. the big issue at the beginning, governor walker's efforts to curtain the rights of public employees union. in the middle of a gig budget crisis. tens of millions of dollars spent on the recall election. about 27% of the vote in, governor walker leading by 60% to 40%. our exit poll shows the race to be closer than that. let's take a break to the magic wall to show why we're predicting why walker will k