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>> tonight i dare her to show me what she's really made of. >> i would like to see the greatest six-pack in history. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. we begin with a man who could give today's politicians some pointers on the ups and downs of life in high office. george herbert walker bush. this is the 41st president of the united states as you've never seen him before. he tells his story in his own words in a revealing and deeply personal new documentary. let's take a look. >> i've seen what crosses that big desk. i've seen the unexpected crisis that arrives in a cable, in a young aide's hand. and so i know that what it all comes down to this election is the man at the desk. and who should sit at that desk? my friends, i am that man. >> the film is called "41." it's produced by jerry weintraub. good friend of the president for over 40 years. jerry, it's -- i watched it this
morning. it is a fascinating documentary because you just can't imagine, there are so many things about this man that you don't know. and as i was watching, i was like i didn't know that happened to him. i didn't know about this. i see all sorts of stuff. pictures, images, revelations from his own mouth which are really startling. >> but you know why you don't know? most people don't know all about it. is because he never bragged about himself and he never felt that he was going to be an imperial president, that he was designated to be president of the united states. he was doing a job. and he never -- his mother and father early on, as you saw in the film, told him don't brag about yourself, don't talk about yourself, don't be a big shot. just go ahead and run your life, do your life. and that's what he did. and even in the best of days and in the worst he didn't sit around in the living room and say look what i just did, look what i just accomplished. look at me. look at me.
look at me. it was never that. it was about service to the country. >> there's an extraordinary moment. and i want to show a clip and come to you after. this is him in the war. he's a pilot. and they run into heavy fire. they go down. and he crashes into the water. incredibly, it's all on video and you've got this remarkable sequence. let's watch a bit of this. >> and sure enough, it was a rescue sub. and they came up out of the sea alongside of me. i went up, went down into the submarine, and next thing i know we're under the water. >> it's particularly appropriate, i think, in the week when it's the anniversary of d-day. you see that footage there and you see the man who was to become president bush. but in that moment he's dragged out of the water after this life
or death moment as he crashes into the sea. and they just leave him to walk up the deck. that's the reality of war. and in that moment you can live or die. and he just shrugs himself down and gets on with it. it's no surprise to me when you see that footage that this forms the character that we then see as president. a man who whether you liked him or not or agreed with his politics, no one ever questioned his integrity. >> exactly. and he was frightened when he went down. i mean, it was a life and death situation. he was as close to death as you could possibly get. he got shot out of the air. and he was very upset and concerned about his crew. that's what was on his mind. and he knew that he was -- it was do or die there. so when he later on had to send kids to war, he knew what war was, and he knew what life and death was on an airplane. >> and it's very powerful, that. the sense of him understanding it. because of what you see earlier on with that footage and him
telling it in very evocative terms. he doesn't hide the fact that he was terrified nor that he's lived with it really -- he said almost every day he thinks about this, the rest of his life. could he have done something different? never knew i think what happened to all his colleagues. >> no. >> there's another moment which i found very powerful. it's when he's working with president nixon and he believes him when president nixon looks him in the eye and says, "i had nothing to do with this." and he keeps believing him. and keeps believing him. and then the moment comes when out comes information which makes it clear that president nixon's been lying. and he says that he in that moment sat down and wrote to him saying, you must resign. and he then talks about his personal heartbreak at this disillusionment he felt of this president lying to him. and again you get a sense of that forming how he then was as a president. really interesting, i think.
>> yeah, it was very -- i happened to be close by when he got the news. and he was going on -- i think it was on "face the nation," or "minority report" the next day. i don't remember. he was head of the rnc at the time. and he was crushed. he was absolutely crushed when it happened. because he liked nixon and he thought nixon had done a great job in a lot of ways for the country. and he forgave him later on and helped him with his library and so on as time went on and things healed. but i don't think he ever got -- i don't know this for a fact. he never said it to me. but i doubt he ever got over that moment and the fact he was lied to. >> and probably reconciled in himself that if he ever was in that position he would never do that. >> oh, he wouldn't ever be in that position. he would never have been in that position. >> he comes over as a fundamentally very decent man. >> piers, he's not only a very decent man.
he's a great man. and as history is telling now, and it's happening -- i watched it the last few years, they're really writing the story about this guy because he didn't -- he doesn't talk -- do it himself. he won't get out there and do it. he doesn't do a lot of interviews, and he won't sit around and say we did this at this hour and we did this at this moment. and all that stuff that presidents -- some presidents do. and some secretaries of state do and et cetera, et cetera. he doesn't do that stuff. he just was doing a job. when he was the ambassador to the united nations, he was doing a job. when he was the head of the cia, he was doing a job. whenever -- when he was liaison to china for nixon, he was doing a job. and one job led to another. and in fact, when you look at his complete body of work, no other man was as well prepared for the presidency of the united states of america as george bush. no other man.
what was it like to see your son elected president? >> very emotional for me. very proud. father. first time it's happened i guess in the history of our country, or -- except for the adamses. but it was -- you know, it was mind-boggling. it was enormous. and a source of great pride for the family. >> a proud father and former president on his son winning the white house. clips from the new hbo documentary "41." i'm back with the producer, jerry weintraub. what a moment. to be a president and then see your son become president in the modern era in particular. >> twice. >> quite extraordinary. >> twice. and another son who was governor of florida at the same time. pretty extraordinary stuff. and he took it in stride.
but he was so proud of his son, so proud of his son. and he also let his son go ahead and run the country. he -- >> there isn't much on his son in the movie. it's predominantly obviously about george bush sr. and he doesn't really address -- i suppose the one thing i thought would have been interesting to hear him say is all the criticism that poured on his son's head, which he didn't have to deal with anything like the same level of vitriol. i was curious about what he would have said about that. you as his friend, what do you think? >> i think he felt badly for his son when his son was criticized. but he didn't get involved in his son's administration. that was his son's administration. his son, as far as i knew. and he wanted his son to run his own ship. you know, that's the way that family was. >> obviously, amazing -- >> and is. >> still is. and thrives today. amaing marriage to barbara. 67 years. >> fantastic woman.
zbluchbt longest marriages i've ever heard. never mind presidential. >> she's a very, verstrong woman. and everybody knows that she's a very strong woman and you don't really want to cross swords with her. but the fact of the matter is that he's the boss, has been the boss. they have a fantastic partnership. they love each other to death. and they'll be together forever. she was a beautiful, beautiful woman, is a beautiful woman. >> you see those pictures in the movie. here's what i was struck by. there's a really powerful moment in this movie when -- i didn't know this story. that they have a daughter who is about 3 years old when she gets leukemia. and they try everything to try and save her life, prolong her life. and in the end they fail. the doctors run out of ideas. and as president bush tells this story, you know, you feel the tears welling up watching him. never mind how he must be feeling. and yet he tells it with such eloquence and such emotion.
and you can see that today it's as raw to him having to talk about it as it must have been at the time. >> i think it is as raw for him today. he's not somebody who feels sorry for himself. he feels blessed. and so does barbara feel blessed. they're blessed people. i mean, they've had a wonderful, wonderful life. that was a big jolt. but there are jolts in life. that was as big as it gets. it doesn't get worse. >> now, when he says he couldn't talk about it for a long time afterwards, and the footage that you have is so poignant. it's this beautiful little girl, you know, and she dies before she's even 4 years old. it's heartbreaking. and yet they have joy at the end of the despair because they then have another daughter. and he said he wasn't even sure how he'd feel. but when the daughter came, it was just this great huge enveloping of love for her. >> twice the love. >> you know clearly -- >> it was great. but the whole family's like that.
and when you go back to his dad and his mom, who i knew both of them in kennebunkport, they were like that. they were strong people. and they gave him a sense of family and a sense of service. and that family is like that. they're totally committed to the family and to life and to love and to doing those things right. >> now, how have you managed to stay his big buddy for 45 years? given everyone in hollywood has probably been opposed to his policy and his sons. >> i don't care about any of that. i don't care what people say in hollywood. you know, first of all, he came to hollywood when he was the president of the united states and barbara when she was first lady. we had parties for him at the house. every big hollywood star came. every left-wing liberal, progressive, whatever they call it today. i don't know. everybody's got a title. they all came to the house. george bush loved looking at the pretty girls. barbara bush loved dancing with
warren beatty. no problem with that. so it was -- they came and they were respected. the office of the presidency is above all that. and he didn't use it as a political tool with -- >> who would you get? who would you get if you were casting a movie? who would you get out of all the people you've worked with or seen to play george bush sr.? >> you know, i don't know. i have to think it through. i don't know. right off the top of my head i don't know. and also, if i did name somebody, i'd lose five more of my stars. >> i'm thinking maybe clint eastwood. >> clint -- no, clint's -- what age? i mean, they're about the same age. >> even when he was younger. there's a certain dash of the hollywood movie star to the young president bush. >> really? >> yeah, i think so. >> i think he'll like hearing that. >> when he was younger. >> when he watches that tonight, he'll enjoy it. maybe he'll come back and do a detective series for me.
>> that would be fantastic, wouldn't it? it's a great documentary. i mean, it's a movie. and as i say, it's very revealing. it's very surprising. and he just overall comes over as a thoroughly good chap who put the service of his country before his own interests. and i think for that he should be greatly appreciated. jerry, it's been a pleasure seeing you. >> my pleasure. >> thanks for coming in. >> it airs on hbo on june the 14th. it's called "41." and i warmly recommend it. it's a fascinating film. coming up next, chaz bono talks about his fascinating new life as a single man. not what he expected when he was growing up. [ male announcer ] this is corporate caterers, miami, florida. in here, great food demands a great presentation. so at&t showed corporate caterers how to better collaborate by using a mobile solution, in a whole new way. using real-time photo sharing abilities, they can create and maintain high standards, from kitchen to table. this technology allows us to collaborate with our drivers to make a better experience for our customers.
most of europe is in a debt crisis, but tonight it is all about spain. spain's government will ask the european union to bail out its banking system, possibly to the tune up to $125 billion. the cash injection is meant just for the banks and is not a full bailout for the government. alabama police arrested a man wanted in the deaths of their 9-year-old twins. he was arrested this morning in selma. investigators haven't detailed a motive or what evidence connected lee to the case. the bodies of twins jordan and taylor and their babysitter, jack, were found tuesday on a dirt road. those are your headlines this hour. i'm don lemon, keeping you informed. cnn, the most trusted name in news.
when i talked to chaz bono last yeah, he'd just written a powerful honest account of his journey from a little girl america knew as chastity to a man called chaz. well, a lot's happened since then including the break-up from his long-term girlfriend and his controversial turn on "dancing with the stars." so i'm intrigued to welcome back the author of "transition: becoming who i was always meant to be," chaz bono. chaz, how are you? >> i'm good. how are you doing? >> i'm just trying to think back to our last encounter and what an extraordinary twist to your life has gone on ever since. i thought then had been a huge turn of events, and now suddenly everything's changed all over again. >> yeah. you know, everything just kind of steamrolled since the last time we saw each other. and you know, everything in my life is just going really well. >> let's play a little clip from that last interview we did. you were with jen then. >> okay. >> i want to just play what you
were saying to each other then. >> i was raised catholic. and i -- >> like me. >> -- i still -- i feel that i need to be married by some religious figure. a rabbi, a priest. someone. someone with a connection to god. i don't know. but -- >> yeah. i'm not -- >> he's not like that. >> i was never religious. i actually really want my stepmom to do it. >> so there you were, chaz, talking very openly, the pair of you, about getting married. and obviously the nature of your relationship had changed fundamentally. you'd gone from a woman and woman relationship to a woman and man relationship. >> right. >> and since then sadly you've broken up. how much pressure did the fact that you had decided to become a man, how much pressure did that put on the relationship, do you think, looking back? >> i mean, i think it put some pressure on the relationship. but ultimately, you know, the reasons why we split up had really nothing to do with that.
it was issues that we were dealing with and just stark differences in the people that we are and what we ultimately wanted out of life. >> yeah, i mean i get that you say that, but there must have been for her i guess a huge sea change in the nature of the relationship. you know, there she was originally with a woman, like i said. and it is a fascinating twist, isn't it, that she then has to cope with you becoming a man. for you it was a huge change, but one that you were wholeheartedly embracing. did you feel that she ever fully embraced what you were doing? >> you know, i think that she did. but of course, you know, i have changed a lot. and you know, here's the -- it's really the internal changes that i think are the bigger changes. and i went from being, you know, really uncomfortable and kind of damaged for my whole life to suddenly not being that way
anymore. and as -- you know, as i started to feel so much better and my confidence rose and everything, i think i was probably less able to -- you know, i wanted to live the best life that i could. and i wanted my partner to be able to, you know, kind of do that with me. and there were, you know, deep-seated issues around substance abuse and stuff like that that had been really a problem almost since we first got together. and again, we just, you know, wanted different things out of life. >> i mean, you also made this reality show, didn't you, "being chaz," which she seemed to feel
uncomfortable about. do you regret doing that with hindsight? >> i mean, it wasn't a pleasant thing to do, you know, honestly. but i don't know -- you know, it couldn't have been predicted. i mean, we made the documentary, and jen was, you know, thrilled doing it. and this was something -- doing the follow-up special was something that she said she wanted to do. and then once we were in the middle of it, you know, she decided that she hated the process. but at that point, you know, there wasn't really anything we could do about that. >> have you managed to stay friends? >> yeah. i mean, i think we both care very deeply for each other. i want absolutely nothing but the best life for jen. it was just -- i couldn't do it with her anymore. but you know, i really hope that she gets everything that she wants. >> now, you, chaz, are in the
very unusual position for you of being a single man about town. how are you finding that? >> well, i'm not the most outgoing fellow. so -- i'm not one of those guys who can just walk up and start chatting up a girl that i find attractive. so you know, that really hasn't changed. and you know, the world is i guess full of possibilities when you're single. but mostly i'm just kind of enjoying the time on my own and with my friends and how, you know, being single at least for me forces me out of some of, you know, my bad habits, which is to, you know, isolate and not really be social. and now i've had to really change all of that. and so i'm just kind of enjoying the process of it and really -- i would say for the first time in my life i don't feel like i have to be in a relationship,
that i'm incomplete if i'm not in one. and that feels really good. >> let's take a short break, chaz. when we come back, i want to talk to you about the other women in your life, cher, your mother, and your congresswoman stepmother, mary burnham mack, who i've had the pleasure of talking to. and i'll chat with you about them and their reaction. also how the public are reacting to the new chaz.
you are the most courageous person i know. and you really deserve this award. and so come up and get this award. ♪ baby tonight ♪ dj got us falling in love again ♪ ♪ 'cause baby tonight chaz bono being honored at the 2012 glaad media awards. chaz, your mother, cher, there calling you the most courageous person that she knows. that must have been quite a moment for you. >> yeah. you know, i mean, the whole
night was really kind of amazing. just being honored by glaad meant so much to me. i mean, i started my career so long ago, you know, working for glaad. and i believe so much in their mission. so just to, you know, be honored by them personally meant something. and then to have my mom and mary there was -- you know, was really nice. >> yeah, i've interviewed your stepmom a few times. she's a great lady. but she is very passionately defensive of you and also believes that you're an incredibly courageous -- i think great for you to have these two really strong independent women in your corner. >> oh, yeah. absolutely. i mean, you know, i've been so lucky because a lot of people who are transgender and transition, you know, lose people from their lives. and i really -- you know, i've not lost a single person. and i've just had the most, you
know, tremendous support from the people in my life. >> the other thing you've been doing is dancing. and that was a pretty controversial appearance on "dancing with the stars." a, i thought you were a damn good dancer. certainly better than i am. >> thank you. >> secondly, it obviously stirred up all sorts of bigotry and controversy and so on. there's this organization called one million moms dotcom who hammered you, saying that your casting was completely unacceptable and christians should not watch the show, no excuses. what did you feel when all that bile was being spilled in your direction? >> you know, i think that it just -- when that first started with those types of people, i just kind of let it roll off my back. and i've always been pretty good at that. and i think i was already starting to rehearse. and i just really tried to focus on that. and then, you know, what started
to happen is i got this counter response to the kind of, you know, negative -- negativity and hatred speech. and i started getting so much support from people that i didn't know. and that just kind of blew me away. and it really, you know, fed me to keep going through the whole competition. i write a lot about it in the new paperback version of "transition," which you know, i added i think about 25 new pages all about "dancing with the stars" and kind of my life after the documentary came out and all of that stuff. >> i mean, also since i spoke to you we've had this seismic moment, the president of the united states endorsing gay marriage. what did you think when you heard that president obama was doing that? >> i was -- i mean, i was so touched, it just -- to me it's
really the civil rights issue of our time. and to have president obama come out, to finally have a president, you know, be able to say that they were, you know -- they believed in marriage equality, it just meant so much, you know. and i have so many gay and lesbian friends, and it meant so much to them. it's just -- especially in an election year it's just amazing that this is no longer the issue that it was for so many years. >> having said that, the republicans in their race to choose a nominee got pretty vocal about gay rights and their opposition toward it, including mitt romney, who is now the nominee. if he becomes president, would that concern you that his position on as you said the new civil rights issue in many ways would be pretty intransigent? >> you know, as a democrat i'm always -- and especially after our last republican president
i'm concerned to have a republican in the white house for any number of reasons. >> but particularly that one? >> again, any number of reasons. you know, yes. on any type of social, civil rights issues that's certainly scary. but i also worry about our economy, you know, just as much as anybody else. >> do you and your stepmother have lively debates about this, chaz? >> you know, we really don't. when we talk politics, we find the common ground. and the stuff that we feel differently about, you know, we don't let it get in the way of our relationship. honestly, it got in the way of my relationship with my dad. i was a lot younger and took things more personally. and i think, you know, he wasn't really a great communicator. and at that point i wasn't either. and the lesson that i learned
from that is family is so much more important than personal politics and mary and connie have been there for me, you know, immediately before even my mom was comfortable with my transition. and because of that i love them both. and no, we don't -- we don't let our different political opinions get in the way of anything. >> well, chaz, it's great to catch up with you. i always feel like we should do this every year because so much happens to you in the year in between. so do come back. >> thank you. >> it's a great updated version of the book. it's a very inspiring story, your story. and i sort of agree with your mother. you're a courageous guy. and it's good to see you having some happiness in your life. >> thank you. good to see you too. >> take care. ♪
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and at the age of 45 she's going for the gold again. a perfect example of what i mean when i talk about keeping america great. >> dara, welcome. >> thank you. >> you have restored my personal faith in my ability to win an olympic gold. i'm 47. everyone told me i was past it. you are living proof, it is not over for me. the dream hasn't died. >> the dream hasn't died. well, you're lucky you don't have to worry about menopause. i still have to worry about that. i'm trying to get this olympics over as quick as i can. >> i see the ruthless streak in you. >> i try to hide it a little bit. >> i've been told about this. you just have this steely little side. beneath the sunny smile, the yellow sweater, there's this little ice maiden wanting to crush younger models. >> it might be in there somewhere. >> how excited are you about london? >> you know, i'm very excited. it's been rough. after the olympics i've had a couple surgeries, one big one in my knee, a reconstructive knee surgery. >> at this age this is what happens to us. our bodies begin to collapse. >> it does.
i mean, my knee surgery obviously had to do with my training. but i got out of bed and i'm like, oh, my god, my back's out right now. and i'm going through that phase where it's not because of training, i'm just middle-aged. >> one of the main reasons i guess you're competing again here -- and this might not be the end of the journey. who knows? rio in '16? why not? >> no, no. >> nothing could stop you. >> no. seriously, i will be in menopause by rio. >> no one's going to believe you even if you say you're not going to do it in rio. nobody's going to believe you. the point i was going to make is i think the reason you're so determined to win in london is in beijing you lost by 1/100 of a second. watch this little clip of what you said about this. >> i am so competitive i can't not think about it. it's always going to bother me for the rest of my life. that's just the way i'm built. i'm upset that i lost by 1/100 of a second. >> i mean, watch. that's it. >> it's probably quicker than that. >> it's even faster. >> i mean, when you watch a video it actually looks like i won. what the heck? >> that's the picture there. you're on the right. you look like you're winning. what happened?
>> i don't know. >> in the last 100th of a second did you just give up? >> no, i didn't give up. oh, my gosh. my coach, what he told me is you swam the perfect race but maybe you just didn't touch the touch pad hard enough. so actually what happened after that is i swam 30 minutes later and after he told me that i touched the wall and i broke my thumb and tore the ligament off my bone. >> seriously? >> yeah. people don't know that's what happened after he told me -- >> you broke your thumb? and i broke my thumb in the next race. >> because you were so full of rage? >> i was just -- i couldn't believe that i lost by a touch. >> how hard are you hitting that wall to break your thumb? >> i didn't know i did it. i think it was just my coach in my head, you know, just telling me that i didn't touch the wall hard enough. so the next race i guess i tried to prove that i could touch the wall hard enough. >> is there any experience in the world better than winning a gold medal at the olympics? that you've enjoyed yourself. >> having my daughter. >> other than that. >> other than that. no. it's just -- >> no man? >> that's a good question. now i'm blushing. >> if i can say to you, look, dara, here's the deal.
you can have the best sex of your life all over again right now or olympic gold in london. >> you're killing me with that question. >> which one are you going to take? >> oh, my gosh. >> i think it's the ultimate question. >> okay. my fluff answer will be the gold medal. >> do you mean that? >> you know what? i do. because -- >> you're actually thinking about something completely different now. >> you've got my mind all flustered -- >> your mind race back to -- where are we going? a beach? >> yeah, something like that. no, the thing is i earned this myself. so this is something that i worked my whole entire life for. so i think that's what makes it so rewarding. >> i heard that all the young athletes come up to you in the american team, all the young turks, and you think they want to ask you about what's it like being on the podium and so on. and actually, what really focuses their mind in the olympic arena when you're all together is the multicolored condom allocation.
is that true? >> i think i have to shut my mouth more. yeah, you know, it's funny. so i always thought, well, i can be a big influence for the kids. they can come up to me, ask me questions about the olympics and what to expect. and one day at the 2000 olympics i got a knock on my door. and a bunch of the young teenagers come in and said dara, dara, we want to ask you a quick question. i'm like sure. and we sit on my bed. they take out a magazine. it was folded to a page. um like what magazine is that? cosmo? i'm like, okay. and they said look, look here. and they're pointing at it. they're saying they have, you know, rainbow condoms in the olympic village. i'm like you guys seriously that's what you want to know about? yeah. okay, it's true. next? >> i always quaintly assumed that when you get to that stage of the preparation it's like boxers, there's no hanky-panky. from all i've been reading and hearing about from all the athletes i've interviewed, it's kind of relentless. it's like an explosion of rabbits in there. >> well, it is, but it really does happen after the competition. like people are really, really focused when they go.
but you have to remember, you're with all these top athletes. the best athletes in the world from every sport. and when they're done competing, the pressure's off, they want to go have fun. >> so they're all magnificent physical specimens -- did you have your eyes on anybody special this year, say you win gold, anyone on the olympic squad that you might be the lucky recipient of my joy? >> i'm as old as their mothers. there's no way that's going to happen. maybe a coach. >> i don't think anybody is watching this thinking you're over the hill in any sense. reaching your peak. talking of peaks, i'm told that you have -- i've never seen this in the flesh obviously, but i'm told that you have the greatest six pack in the world. so after the break, i'm going to ask you to show me the world's greatest six pack, live on air. [ female announcer ] irritated, itchy, summer skin?
whether that is true in a live television experiment. dara, stand please. >> are we going to stand side by side and do it together? >> no, we're not. but i would like to see the greatest six pack. >> oh, my gosh. they weren't kidding, were they. >> it's okay. >> you have no tom mac. >> i do have a stomach. >> you've had 45 years old and you've had children. >> i have one child. it's hidden in there. >> women are watching this, falling over saying how do you keep that six pack? >> people have to remember i work out every day and i do this for a living. >> for how long? >> between four and six hours. >> you eat loads of ice cream i'm told. is that true? >> where do you get your information from? i feel like you're big brother watching me. yeah, i like ice cream. i have tried to be betting about my eating because it's not as easy for me to recover right
now. my problem is being able to swim three races to qualify or being able to swim three races to win a medal. with my recovery, what i do now is make sure i get lots of rest. i make sure that i do stretching, which really stretches out your body to get the lactic acid out and when i have muscle aches, i get bengay. we were talking about how i was getting out of bed and my back went out. >> tell me about your psychic friend, bernard. >> i just went to him the other day. >> he predicted you would win gold in beijing. did you fire him? >> he's great. he's been almost on with everything. just about. >> what has he said about london? >> i don't like to share that. i don't want to jinx anything. >> you can trust me. what has he got right?
>> a lot right about my personal life. >> like what? >> well, okay. i remember i was having problems conceiving. for many years i tried and he was correct about having a daughter and -- >> really? >> yeah, yeah. so it's one -- >> you were having trouble conceiving and he predicted you would have a daughter? >> yeah. he's predicted about my coach when he was sick. i don't know. there's not a set schedule i go to hit, just when i need reassurance. he's a median. >> who does he talk to? >> what you do is you go in there and he leaves the room and you take a card and you write down three questions that you want answered and three people that have passed away and sign and print your game. and you can ask questions, but what he does the people that are on your card, he speaks to them. >> how extraordinary.
>> it's cool. a lot of the people he says, there's no way we would know. >> which relatives? >> my dad, who passed away. >> and you have a conversation through him? >> i don't have a conversation -- yeah, he's an example. i asked something and my dad came in and started talking about how my dad only wants me to finish this last one because he wants to see me have a family. he's told me since i was 21. just stuff he wouldn't know. >> that's gripping. tell me about your checkered romantic life. because that's -- >> i didn't know it was checkered. >> you had two quick marriages. >> the first two marriages i had didn't work out for various reasons. when i got together with the father of my daughter, we were together for six years. but like it's one of those things i don't know if i'll ever get married again, because after having two fade marriages, i
don't want another one. so it has to be perfect. >> can anyone who is driven as much as you are to win, can you ever really be in a long, long-term relationship, or is the first love really in that water winning? until that's done in your life, do you think you've got a chance? >> i guess i'll find out in a few months. >> what are you saying? >> like i'm ready to move on. like my dad said, be more family oriented and settle down. >> one last gold in london? >> i would just like to make the olympic team. that's my goal right now. >> they couldn't leave you out. >> well, it's not -- they don't have a choice. i have to get first or second in my event and the toughest thing is swimming it three times. if i just had one race and they said this is it and you go, i would be fine. it's being able to swim it two more times. >> you'll do it. >> thank you.
>> i have every confident. >> go ask bernard and see what he says. so nice seeing you. >> hope to see you in london. >> thank you. >> quite an inspiration to all us oldies. a contestant accused of that would help stabilize europe's fourth largest banking system and get spain back in the lending business. in syria, more street fighting, more shelling, more deaths. this is the city homs, where heavy artillery exploded in neighborhoods. syrian forces shelled a mosque and church and at least 26 people reported killed, including the mayor of this ne