tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 22, 2012 1:00am-2:00am EDT
why didn't they call him to testify? >> well, i think it's a good question. i think there's a question in terms of whether or not his testimony would have been admissible, for one reason, jerry sandusky is not charged with sexually abusing his son. i can tell you this. think of this scenario. let's say for example jerry sandusky had taken the witness stand and it said during his testimony i'm a great father, i have a great relationship with my children. that, then, would have opened the door for the prosecution to call a rebuttal witness and my sources told me, if jerry sandusky had taken the stand, they were prepared to put matt sandusky on the stand as a rebuttal witness and my source tells me that his testimony would have been, quote, very, very damaging. also let me backtrack a little bit. when the trial began on day one, i saw matt sandusky sitting there on the side lines with the rest of the sandusky family. so what happened between then when the trial happened and today when we get this statement
from his private attorney who basically said matt sandusky contacted this private attorney and said i wanted you to reach out to prosecutors and tell them quote to disclose for the first time in this case that he is a victim of jerry sandusky's abuse. anderson? >> sara, matt sandusky's wife had petitioned the court to not allow their kids to sleep over jerry sandusky's house. this was a long time ago, correct? >> that's right. and probably even more importantly, his mother, as far back as 1996, has been asking the courts to take a deeper look into the relationship between matt and jerry sandusky. when he was in foster care at the sandusky home she had seen behavior that she would describe to the grand jury as strange, stalking-like behavior. she described one time where matt fled from the sandusky's
home in the middle of a rain storm in the middle of the night and didn't want to go back, even after jerry shoeld up at a relative's house where matt was hiding out. so she described all of these things, but matt sandusky himself got before the grand jury and we don't know exactly what he testified to. but joe amendola told me at the time it was nothing that they were worried about. they expected him to be a positive witness for jerry sandusky and they felt his biological mom was just angry at sandusky and was making these allegations. >> and his biological mom had also testified in front of that same grand jury recently, correct? >> right. she testified about a year ago. and that's what she said. you know, that she witnessed this stalking-like behavior, that she witnessed him flee in the rain storm rngs and she confronted her son before he was adopted and asked her if anything strange was going on
heaid nothing except i don't want to talk about it. >> and jason, the accuser number four who testified, actually mentioned matt sandusky during his testimony. what did he say about him? >> he did. he was the first witness to testify on day one of the trial. he said he was about 13 years old. he had taken a shower with jerry sandusky at penn state. it was woen of those soap battles that we've heard so much about, and that's when he said he came into contact with matt sandusky, he said, quote, he started pumping his handful of soap like he was going to throw it. matt got out, he went to another shower. and then the prosecutor says can you describe how matt looked? number four's answer was nervous. and i think the implication was very clear there, anderson? >> jas son and sara stack around. i want to bring in our local panel. sunny hostin.
mark, what do you make of this? do you find the timing of it suspicious at all and does it make sense to you why they would not have mentioned this during the trial? >> well, obviously i think the timing is incredibly suspicious. they wait until the jury is out, the day the jury gets out and al of a sudden there is a press release basically, for lack of a better term, that's exactly what it was, and clearly they have this person who is under oath already in front of a grand jury, who's been presumably given statements to the police, who do you think orchestrated this in order to have it come out on the day the jury goes out to deliberate? i find it suspicious. and i also don't know that this judge would have ever let him testify in their case in chief. maybe as rebuttal as if sandusky had takenst stand did you not in
their case in chief. >> but you're saying why would it be released the day the jury went out if they wanted to impact the trial somehow, are you saying it could somehow filter into the jury? >> if you believe for a second that jurors don't hear everything that's going on, even when they're sequestered, i've got a bridge to sell you in arizona. this, it would get into the eether. they would know it immediately. look at every jury that's ever been sequestered. they know exactly what's going on around them. it leaks in no matter where you keep them. sequestration rarely if ever works. >> though sandusky didn't take the stand. dottie took the stand. couldn't they have asked her s out what kind of father he was and if she said he was a great father and brought in matt if they wanted to to rebut the that. >> i think that's possible but we're not clear on the timeline here, anderson, because we know
that matt sandusky did speak to the prosecution, perhaps after the prosecution had already rested its case in chief and in contemplation of jerry sandusky taking the witness stand. so timing is very, very important here. and let's remember, by all accounts, it was very difficult for matt sandusky to admit that this sex abuse even happened. and that's very common with victims of child sex abuse. there's sort of that shame and that secrecy that goes hand in hand with this kind of abuse. so i'm not surprised that he is just coming forward and i agree with mark that certainly he would not have been able to testify in his case in chief because jerry sandusky wasn't charged with these crimes. but rebuttal witness, if jerry sandusky got on the stand and pro claimed his knows sense and talked about his relationship with the children, that would have opened the door to what would have been bombshell evidence. i disagree with mark, i think that juries are sequestered from
information, i think we do it in courtrooms every single day in our country and i think it works very well and i don't think this was a planned thing to infiltrate the jury room. >> sunny, i've got that ache rage in arizona for you. >> another alleged victim who says that sandusky tried to adopt him while he was in high school. >> i tried to get him off me and resisting him and he kind of pinned me down on the bed. and i told him if he didn't get off me i was going to call the police on him. and he just laughed at me and, you know, forced me to stay on the bed. and told me if i ever said anything that nobody was going to believe me and he would get my died fired from penn state. >> now, this accuser is part of a civil suit against sandusky, but not part of this criminal
trial. what do you make of that, mark? i mean, legally could this person press criminal charges against sandusky if the trial is over? >> no. hardly. i don't think it would get anywhere. there's a principle in the law if they knew about it beforehand, you can't dribble it out like a water torture on somebody and serially prosecute them. and before you said he was part of a civil lawsuit, i was going to predict that he was part of a civil lawsuit. unfortunately, in cases like this, even when there are legitimate victims, there's always these kind of looky loser me-toos who always jump on to the litigation train. >> we're going to leave there. sunny, mark, stay with us. we're going to come back to you later on. a tape of george zimmerman reenacting the night he shot and killed trayvon martin. we're going to show it to you and curious to know if it changes the way you view this case. follow me on twitter or facebook.
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citizenship to immigrants serving in the military. which is now part of the now-dead dream act. as for what he'd do about president obama's decision allowing work visas for young illegal immigrants who go to school, you're going -- you'll recall he shied away from the question almost a week ago. including notably with cbs' bob schieffer last weekend. >> would you repeal this order if you became president? >> let's step book and look at the issue. >> what would you do about it? >> he was president for the last 3 1/2 years, did nothing on immigration. >> would you repeal this? >> it would be overtaken by events. by virtue of my putting into place a long-term solution with legislation that creates law that relates to these individuals such as they know what their setting is going to be. not on the term of a president but on a permanent basis. >> would you leave this in place while you worked out a long-term solution or would you just repeal it?
>> we'll look at that setting as we reach that. but my anticipation is i'd come into office and say, we need to get this done on a long-term basis. not this kind of a stop-gap measure. >> that's four times bob schieffer asked the question in different ways. he didn't answer the question then. so, was he any more specific today? well, take a look. >> some people have asked if i will let stand the president's executive order. the answer is that i will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president's temporary measure. as president, i won't settle for stop-gap measures. i'll work with republicans and democrats to build a long-term solution. >> basically the same answer he gave to bob schieffer. joining us now is cnn contributor. national hispanic chairwoman anna navarro. also, los angeles mayor antonio villaraigosa. obama for america.
a lot of people expected romney today to say what he would do specifically. but he didn't say. he basically repeated exactly what he said to bob schieffer. >> well, you know, what he said was he was going to replace it with a permanent solution. what i hope that means -- >> right, because that's what he said on saturday. >> -- deportations that -- that's what he said on saturday. i think that's what we're going to continue to hear him say. he's not saying he's going to repeal it. he's saying he's going -- >> right, but he's not answering. >> -- responsible long-term solution. if we took issue with all the politicians who don't specifically answer questions i think they'd be very few left in congress and anywhere in america. you know, this is, i think, a very different mitt romney than what we heard. i have been very critical of him in the primary. think the mitt romney i heard today is much more nuanced. has a much more moderate tone.
more serious, sober policy proposals. i heard a lot of policy proposals from him on how to fix the legal immigration problem. there are things some of them would chip away at the illegal immigration problem. i wish i had heard more from him. but i am happy with -- as a start. >> mr. mayor, mitt romney started his speech talking not about the immigration policy but the flagging economy. the economic downturn has hit if the economy does not approve by november, could that cost him a voting bloc the obama campaign firmly believes this election could hinge on? >> first, let's be clear. he said the president's policies put 2 million latinos in poverty. actually, it's the opposite. 2 million latinos are out of poverty because of his policies. in addition to that, look, he wants to make this about the economy today. we're going to make it about the future. because we believe if we make
investments in education and infrastructure and transportation, if we make investments that support and strengthen the middle class, that's good for the economy and it's good for america. my grandpa got here from mexico 100 years ago. he left a country that was rich and poor. we don't want to bring our country to that point. and i think -- speaking on immigration, by the way, "the new york times" said today that he was evasive and not answering the question. if he wants to propose a dream act now, he can do it. he can call on the congress to do what they should have done a long time ago. what 208 democrats did when they passed the dream act a while back. and what 51 democrats in the senate did. but he's not doing that. instead, he's engaging in equivocation as he's done throughout the campaign. he's talked about the deportation of 11 million people. that means dividing families. that means sending parents back
and leaving their kids here. that's not the america we know and love. thalgs not the america that my grandpa came to 100 years ago. >> anna, the governor keeps talking about he'll have a long-term solution and president obama's is the short-term solution. president obama said this is a short-term solution. he would like one but in the interim they're doing this short-term solution. why shouldn't governor romney answer whether or not he would repeal it? there's no guarantee he could get a long-term solution through congress. >> i don't think there's any guarantee that either of them are going to get a long-term solution. i think obama has lost his best opportunity. if obama gets re-elected, he is a lame duck from day one it he's coming into a very polarized congress. he had a democratic majority his first two years. and he failed to act on immigration. i think what romney did today, anderson, was resist the trap -- >> you don't think it's a copout for romney just to say, well, i'm going to work on a long-term solution -- we all know why he's not going to answer whether or
not he would repeal it because it politically puts him in a different spot, no? >> look, i think -- i think he's trying to walk a tight rope. but i also appreciate -- i appreciate that he's not coming to these latino events and pandering on immigration. i was at this same latino event when barack obama promised to do immigration reform in the first year of his presidency. that is pandering. not only did he not propose a plan, he hasn't led on it. he hasn't spoken about it. we haven't seen anything from him, other than more deportations. so i think mitt romney was not falling into the same trap. and he said that over and over again. basically, the bottom line is, hispanics on immigration, for those who are undocumented, those who are worried about the undocumented have two choices. either a guy who whispers sweet nothings into our ear. makes big promises every four years. and doesn't deliver anything but higher deportation. and a guy who does not make big promises. does not pander. and what he commits to are to
work on it. i think hispanics would be well served to look at the entire picture and the entire package and all the other issues that are important to us. >> mayor, would you say to the president that his ruling last week was about politics? >> actually, governor romney has made different promises to different people. you were at most of the debates, cnn sponsored a number of them, where he called for the self-deportation of 11 million people. where he called chris coback the arizona and alabama laws a model for the nation. where he said that the dream act was a handout. today, he's moving his position a bit on a number of those issues. the best thing he could do to get this out of politics and out of the campaign is to call on speaker boehner and senator reid, to call a special session of the house, let's get the dream act passed. let's get comprehensive immigration passed. democrats and republicans work together to pass this and get it
out of the campaign. >> mayor, appreciate you being on, anna navarro as well. we're following a just released video giving a new view. it shows george zimmerman literally walking police through the moments that led up to martin's death. this was shot the day after the shooting. will the re-enactment change any minds? decide for yourself. let us know. we're keeping them honest. great shot. how did the nba become the hottest league on the planet? by building on the cisco intelligent network
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you're about to get your first look through the eyes of george zimmerman of the night he shot and killed trayvon martin. it's extremely compelling on its face. what makes it even more so is the context in the broader case itself. early on in the story, so many people seem to have made up their minds about what happened that night. the re-enactment made a day after the shooting won't be the last word on anything. it one settle the issue certainly or the case. it might help you decide for yourself whether george zimmerman's self-defense story holds up. the video runs about 12 minutes in total. we've shortened it somewhat. watch. >> i saw him walking back that
way and then cut through the back of the houses. looked back. noticed me. he cut back through the houses. i was still on the phone with nonemergency. and then he came back. and then came down and circled my car. i told the operator that he was circling my car. i didn't hear if he said anything. >> right. >> he had his hand in his waistband. i think i told the operator that. they said "where are you?" and i could not remember the name of the street. because i don't live on this street. >> right. >> and then i thought to get out and look for a street sign. >> right. >> i got out of my car and i started walking -- >> go ahead. >> oh. back there. they said, are you following him? i said yes because i was, you know, in the area. says, i don't need you to do that. that's when i walked straight through here to get the address so i could meet the police officer.
when i got to -- i passed here. i didn't see anything again. i was walking back to my truck. when i got to right about here, he yelled from behind me to the side of me. he said, yo, you got a problem? i turned around and said, no, i don't got a problem, man. >> where was he at? >> he was about there but he was walking toward, me. >> so he's coming from this direction here? >> yes, sir. i was already passed that so i didn't see exactly where he came from, but he was about where you were. i said, no, i don't have a problem. i went to go grab my cell phone. i left it in a different pocket. i looked down at my pant pocket. said, you got a problem now. and then he was here. he punched me in the face. i stumbled. i fell down. he mushed me down. somehow he got on top of me. >> on the grass or on the cement? >> it was more over towards here.
i think i was trying to push him away from me. and then he got on top of me somewhere around here. and that's when i started screaming for help. as loud as i could. then's when he grabbed me. grabbed me by the head and tried to slam my head down. >> were you on the cement? >> no, my body was on the ground. my head was on the cement. >> you were basically facing this way? >> yes, sir. that's as best as i can feel through my jacket. felt like my body was on the grass and my head was on the cement and he just kept slamming and slamming. i kept yelling help, help, help, as loud as i could. he put his hand on his nose -- on my know other hand on my mouth. he said shut the [ bleep ] up.
then i tried squirming again. all i could think about, when he was hitting my head against it. i thought i was going to lose consciousness. i tried to squirm so i could get -- he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete. i tried to squirm off the concrete. and when i did that, somebody here opened the door. i said, help me, help me. they said, i'll call 911. i said no, help me, i need help. and i don't know what they did. but that's when my jacket moved up. i had my firearm on my right side hip. my jacket moved up. and he saw it. i feel like he saw it. he looked at it. he said, you're going to die tonight, mother [ bleep ] he reached for it. i felt like, his arm going down to my side. i grabbed it. i grabbed my firearm and i shot him one time.
>> after you shot him, keep on going, what did he say? >> after i shot him, i sat up. he was on top of me like this. i shot him. and i didn't think i hit him. he sat up. he said, you got me. you got it. you got me. something like that. i thought he was just saying, i know you have a gun now, i heard it, i'm giving up. i don't know if i pushed him off me or he fell off me. either way, i got on top him. i pushed his arms apart. >> flipped him over? >> i don't remember how i got on top of him, i'm sorry. >> that's fine. >> i got on his back. i moved his arms apart. i thought he had something in his hands. so i just -- i moved his hands apart. then's when the police officer came around. i saw the police officer. i stood up. i holstered my weapon. he said, who shot him? i said, i did. >> some other late developments.
sanford city manager filed police chief bill lee. you'll recall he tendered his resignation. we also have audio of a police interview. on it, you can hear detective prodding zimmerman about possible inconsistencies in the story. he's also heard asking zimmerman why he did not identify him as the neighborhood watch. later telling "the orlando sentinel" if zimmerman had done so he probably wouldn't be where he is now. back now with our lawyers. mark geragos. also back with us is sunny hostin. mark, what do you make of this tape, good for zimmerman's defense? >> oh, it's fantastic for zimmerman's defense in the court of public opinion. the problem is, in a real courtroom, it will probably never see the light of day. the prosecution is the one who's going to have to introduce this because they're the adverse party. and i can't imagine why the prosecution would introduce it. >> because you think it speaks well for him?
his story you think holds up? >> i think his story does hold up and it's -- the prosecution's going to say it's self-serving hearsay. that's the term you're going to hear. the fact remains, he's the one he doesn't get to be cross-examined. who's telling the story. unless he's going to take the stand, i highly doubt you're ever going to see this tape in a courtroom. >> sunny, do you think zimmerman's story adds up? >> i don't think so. there's just so many inconsistencies. and when you read the transcript of the 311 call and you read the interview between officer sarango. and you watch the videotape. quite frankly, i think this is helpful for the prosecution. now you have george zimmerman a day after the shooting wedded to a re-enactment. that has to be his story. the prosecution knows this. and still charged him with
second degree murder. i suspect they have looked at that statement and have determined with some sort of forensic evidence, some sort of corroboration, that it doesn't hold up that it doesn't make sense. i think this is a good thing for the prosecution because of the rampant inconsistencies and because there is likely to be other evidence that can support another version of events. don't forget trayvon martin was on the phone and the girl he was on the phone with says something entirely different than george zimmerman's self-serving version of events. so this is actually just a good thing for the prosecution. >> it's interesting to see zimmerman. a, he looks different. also, there have been all the debate of what sort of wounds, if any, did he have. i mean, he certainly at least his nose is bandaged up there as is the back of his head. the implication, i assume the police would know what's underneath them. >> well, if you look at the tape, you're going to see what he's got what looks like the forming of black and blue marks
there around this facial area. he's got kind of the bandage stitching in the back, butterfly bandages. i hate to disagree with sunny. i'll put a friendly bet on it. you're not going to see this tape in the prosecution's case in chief. i will guarantee you. in fact, the only reason sunny says that is because sunny assumes this prosecution must know something that they don't. or that we don't. and so far, every time we've assumed that, we've been wrong. >> right. we've got to leave it there because we have so much to cover. coming up on the program. that viral video of kids bullying a 60-year-old school monitor has not only sparked outrage, it's inspired strangers to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the grandmother who suffered the abuse. tonight, she is speaking out. we're going to talk to her on this program in just a few minutes about what happened on that bus. >> i don't think they ever picked on the other kids.
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welcome back. a type of bullying not often talked about. kids bullying adults. in this case, a 68-year-old grandmother who works as a school bus monitor. a student on the bus recorded it with a cell phone. the video has gone viral sparking outrage. causing a lot of people to ask how could a group of middle school kids act so disspringingly to an adult? here's some of the video we're talking about. >> oh, my god, your glasses are foggy from your [ bleep ] sweat, you [ bleep] >> dude, put those glasses back on. i can't stand looking at your face. if you [ bleep ] looking into her eyes, you're going to turn into stone. >> karen, karen, put those sunglasses back on. >> the video goes on for a painfully long time. i couldn't watch the whole thing. karen klein, the target of all that cruelty, somehow manages to keep her cruel.
she does tear up. it could not have been easy. since the video went online, she's seen an outpouring of report. first, here's randi kaye with the whole story. >> reporter: the ten-minute video begins with bus monitor karen klein in her seat at the back of the bus. surrounded by a small group of seventh graders. >> oh, my god, you're so fat. >> dude you're so fat. you take up like the whole entire seat. >> reporter: the students, all boys, tell klein, their 68-year-old bus monitor for the school district in upstate new york, that she's so fat, she'll probably die from diabetes. but it's not just verbal attacks. there are physical threats too. >> you're a troll. you're a troll. you're a troll. you old troll. >> how about a bring my wife and [ bleep ] cut you? i stabbed you in the stomach, my life would go through you like butter. >> what's your address so i can freaking piss all over your door -- >> i'm gonna [ bleep ] take a crap in your mouth. >> reporter: klein takes most of it in silence.
hardly engaging the kids. except at moments like this. >> unless you have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. >> how about you shut the [ bleep ] up? >> reporter: while everything these teenagers said was cruel this comment was the most hurtful of all. >> you don't have a family 'cause they all killed themselves 'cause they didn't want to be near you. >> reporter: karen's son had committed suicide ten years ago. it's unclear if the kids knew about his death. police tell us the video was recorded by one of the boys involved in the verbal attacks who then posted it on his facebook page. from there, it was picked up and posted on youtube. by thursday afternoon, it had gone viral, with more than 1.6 million hits. putting this quiet community of greece, new york, on the map. >> i think it's disgusting. do you know, i raised eight children. if one of my children would have done that, there would be a consequence to this. i don't care what, but you have to have respect. it starts at home. >> reporter: just 48 hours after the video was posted online,
klein told me these same students have misbehaved before. but never like this. how are you feeling when they were saying such cruel things to you? >> i didn't catch them all. the things i did catch, i didn't know what to do. it was one of those things. i didn't know what to do. >> reporter: investigators here have interviewed all four boys involved. they may be suspended or expelled from school for a year or possibly even charged with aggravated harassment, menacing or stalking. but for now this grandmother of eight says she doesn't want to pursue criminal charges. all she wants is an apology. is there anything these kids could say that would take away the hurt that they caused you? >> that they won't do it, that they won't do it to anyone else. they thought they were so smart, so smug, you know, maybe that will wipe the smile off their faces too. but i cannot see pressing criminal charges.
>> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, greece, new york. >> i think a lot of people watching this video want to wipe the smile off those kid's faces in different ways. the cruelty she endured has been countered by an extraordinary outpouring of support. people she never met raised more than $380,000 online for her. karen agreed to talk to me for tonight's "360 interview." when i saw this video, i was just stunned at how horrible these kids were to you. has this happened before? >> never. i've had occasional children that have misbehaved but nothing like that. >> what was going through your mind when this was happening? >> i was trying to get it out of my mind. i was trying to make it go away. i was looking at the window. i was -- kept looking. because i needed to check on the other kids.
and i don't know. i just didn't -- i didn't hear everything. that they said. i probably wouldn't -- would have been a lot more upset. >> did you know these kids by name? >> i knew where they lived. two of them, i knew their name. three, yeah, two of them, i knew their names. the other ones, i hadn't really called them by names. so i really didn't know. two of them -- getting in trouble so -- like i say, i knew where they lived. and i knew they were getting off soon. and that was making me happy. >> what do you think caused them to do this? >> i really have no clue. trying to impress each other. you know how kids, they hang out in a group, and they each try to outdo the other.
i think that was it. i was their likely suspect because i was back there. you know, they -- i don't thing they ever picked on the other kids. just me. >> do you think they're bad kids? >> not really. not deep down. but when they get together, things happen. sometimes worse than other times. >> one of the -- one of children's fathers just talked to you. what did he say to you? >> he said he was so sorry that his son did that and he was very disappointed in his son. and basically he asked me if i was okay, you know. that was about it. >> so we received some statements through the police through two of the children who were tormenting you. josh wrote, i am so sorry for the way i treated you.
what do you make of that? >> of course he's going to say anything. i mean, janice, she always has this smirk on her face. like after he said something, you know, i mean he always liked to cause trouble. i don't know what it was. even if it wasn't picking on me, it was something else. so i just don't think i would believe anything josh had to say. and i did want to talk to him today. >> another child, wesley, said, quote, i feel really bad about what i did. i wish i had never done those things. if that had happened to someone in my family like my mother or grandmother, i would really mad at the people who did that to them. do you accept these apologies? >> i haven't gotten any yet it one is supposed to be being mailed but i haven't gotten that one. the other two, i might not get ng from anyway. >> what do you want to happen to
these kids? >> i want them to make sure that they never do this again to anybody. i would like them to be at least kept off the bus for a year. be forbidden to play any sports. at least for a year. somebody mentioned community service and i thought that was a pretty good idea too. >> there's been an outpouring of support for you, as you know. more than $300,000 has been raised. what do you think of all the support you're getting? >> i still can't believe it. i can't believe it. there's that much -- i don't know. i just don't feel like it will come to me anyway so i don't think too much about it.
i mean, it's a nice gesture, but i just don't know. it'for real or not. it sounds too good to be true. >> do you want to continue working on the bus? >> i'd like to. >> do you think you're going to press criminal charges? >> oh, i don't know. i don't think so. i don't know. >> i know you know about the money that's been raised, that's been donated by people around the country and probably around the world. we've just learned one other thing that you don't know about. southwest airlines reached out to us today. they've been extraordinarily touched by your story. they wanted us to let you know they'd like to send you and nine people to disneyland in california for three nights, airfare, hotel, car all included. >> you got to be kidding me. that's awesome. nine people? >> do you have nine people you'd want to bring? >> yes.
my family. minus a couple. wow. that's too much. >> did you ever expect this kind of support? >> no. never. i mean, i don't feel like i've done anything, you know. that's what's awesome. >> karen, i wish you well. i hope you're able to move on from this. and i hope you get all the well wishes and all the support that people have given you. >> thank you very much. >> well, we wish her the best. we received statements through the police from two of the kids who were on the bus and two parents apologizing to karen. it's the first time they've spoken publicly about what happened. you can read their full statements on our website at ac360.com. more news ahead. include a dramatic defection in syria.vironment.
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