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of testimony, and the testimony from eight men. in reality, a pedophile who preyed on young boys. here is reaction from both sides of the verdict. >> there are many important lessons to be learned from this case. one of them is that we can't let the national focus that this case has brought upon child sexual abuse fade after these cameras are turned off and the media has shifted their attention to the next important story. we have to continue to focus on child sexual abuse, and to shine a bright light in those dark, dark places where the jerry sanduskys of the world lurk. >> we always felt that jerry's fairer shake would come from the jury, and we still believe that. the jury obviously believed the commonwealth's evidence, believed the commonwealth witnesses. that's clear from their verdict. i've been asked already inside,
is that a surprise? no, actually it was the expected outcome because of the overwhelming amount of evidence against jerry sandusky. and let's get more on the reaction to the verdict. national correspondent susan candiotti is live in bellefonte, pennsylvania. good morning to you, susan. let's talk about the reaction there. have you had a chance to speak to people? give us an idea of what it was like there, the scene last night as the verdict was read. >> reporter: randi, good morning. the scene was electric. the very courthouse lawn where i'm standing, filled with spectators, some bringing their children, because they said they wanted to see part of history. i have not found anyone who has told me they were surprised by this verdict. here is the front page of the local paper here, jerry sandusky being led away in han cuffs with the headline "guilty." you heard his defense lawyer say even he was not surprised given all the evidence. inside the courtroom, randi, a
lot of emotion. jurors were crying, jerry sandusky's eyes were tearing up and there was victim number 6, the young man, the first one to come forward through his mother. his story led investigators to find nine other victims whose cases were eventually prosecuted, and they spread over 15 years. so this is a sigh of relief to many people in this community. >> it will be some time, though, before the sentencing actually takes place? >> reporter: that's right. his defense lawyers are already starting work on an appeal. what is also interesting about this sentencing phase is, believe it or not, the victims in this case will be able to play a role if they want to. they will have a chance to face jerry sandusky again, face-to-face, and tell the court the damage he has done to their lives or a statement might be
read on their behalf. so there's a lot to be done in the next few months and jerry sandusky at this hour remains under a suicide watch. that order was placed by the trial judge in this case. >> he's 68 years old facing a maximum of 440 years, correct? >> reporter: that's right. he is 68 years old, it seems pretty obvious, pretty clear that he will be spending the rest of his life in jail, randi. >> susan candiotti reporting for us. thank you. the testimony in the case was difficult to hear. eight men describing in detail what happened years ago when they were alone as young boys with sandusky. earlier i asked holly hughes how their stories likely compacted the jury. >> 4 charges, 21 hours, less than half an hour per charge, it tells me from day one they
believed these victims. there wasn't a lot to talk about. otherwise it would have taken longer. >> they weren't fighting about the science or contamination, we didn't have any of that. we had these victim who didn't come forward on their own. the police knocked on these young men's doors ten years after the fact and said, hey, did this happen to you? did this embarrassing, horrible, traumatic thing happen? and by the way, will you come into a public courtroom and tell the world about it. i mean, the bravery of those young men. let me tell you something, the jury saw it and saw it instantly. >> they believed it. now we have sandusky facing a maximum of 440 years, but his attorney is saying he'll appeal. is it worth it? >> well, of course it's worth it. why not shoot for the moon. it's kind of like -- sandusky is
one of those predators, i used to say this when i was prosecuting, he knows you have him dead to rights, but he's going to make you walk him into that jailhouse. he's not walking in on his own, he's not taking a plea and not rolling over saying, you got me. he's saying, oh, no, government, you jump through the hoops, you do the work. they'll definitely appeal, but number one, i don't think it will be successful. number two, it doesn't matter what's happening, because no judge in the world will give him what we saul a super cedeius bond. >> is there a statute -- if the stat is still open and still good, yes, we'll see some civil cases, and also a lot of policy
changes. it's one of the things that's not everybody is discussing yet, but universities, institutions, and employers across the country now have got to take a step back and say, wow, maybe we need to change what we're doing here. penn state university says it has tremendous respect for the men who came forward and that no verdict can undo the pain and suffers caused by jerry sandusky. just about 25 minute from now, i will be speaking with huff his defense attorneys. i'll be asking him about the suicide watch and a possible plea agreement, was it ever considered. to kenya where americans are being urged to leave mombassa. officials have warned of an imminent threat to that city. no details were issued, but kenya has recently been hid hit by grenade attacks blamed on a somalia group. thousands await the results
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we're told that sentencing will be anytime within 90 days. what do you do tomorrow? what is the next process? >> tomorrow i gather my wits, and we start thinking about sentencing. that's the next step and we start preparing our appeal issues. we'll have to get a transcript, and we'll have -- the sentencing probably will take place in september. >> i talked to one of your co-counsels that you believe there are a number of issues you may have some sort of case for. no matter what you use to appeal, i mean, do you believe you have enough to overturn 45 counts against jerry sandusky? all we have to do is convince an
appellate court that one of the issues we raise is, it doesn't matter, it could be 100 counts and it still would all come back if an appeal is granted. >> did you have your client to go to some kind of appeal -- >> no, sandusky never completed a plea agreement. he always maintained his innocence. that's something that's important for everyone to understand. for better or worse, none of us were there when any of these things happened, but he always maintained he was innocent. where did you stand on that, i assume you did not want him to testify?
what happened was late last week on a thursday afternoon, the commonwealth indicated it might have additional information that wanted to present before a close. we didn't know where it was. later that evening we received a call, and the commonwealth attorney indicated that matt sandusky had talked to them and indicated that jerry had abused him. at that point i objected to the surprise and explained to the judge, the judge was involved in the conference, that we had always intended jerry to testify. this tremendously undercut our defense, placed us in a really bad situation since i had promised the jury that jerry would testify. so the next day the commonwealth alerted me to the fact that it had thought about its issue with matt sandusky, it would not call matt in its case in chief, but it reserved the right to call him in rebuttal. that put us in a position of trying to decide if there was some way we could call jerry
sandusky as a witness and jerry could testify without triggers matt's testimony in rebuttal. we decided we couldn't. it was too risky. we also decided if jerry testified, then matt testified, regardless of the fact that not only jerry, but dotty and the other five siblings of matt's, all indicated matt would be lying, that it would be catastrophic with this jury to hear matt come in following jerry's testimony and say jerry awould you sayed him too. at the last moment, it literally was the last moment, wednesday morning, a couple days ago, that jerry finally decided he would not testify and take his attorney's advice, but he always wanted to testify. the judge, not the jury, will sentence jerry sandusky most likely in september. we're keeping an eye on a storm and where it could be headed. and if you're leaving the house right now, continue
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taking it straight towards florida. with this divergence, it means we have to monitor the system very carefully. as we continue to watch the waters of the gulf of mexico, it's important to note the water temperatures are one or two degrees above normal. this indicates water temperatures 80 degrees or warmer. most of the gulf of mexico right now is about 81, 82, so it's very warm, meaning if we had relaxed enough winds and enough energy brewing in this area we could likely see a tropical tomorrow. it's early in the hurricane season, but we're already up to "d." we got an early start with storms even before the season started. thank you very much, bonnie. what will happen to president obama's signature legislation? the health care law. we should hear from the supreme court this coming week. in the meantime funnyman bill santiago finds out how you're feeling about health care.
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>> reporter: can you do a song about obamacare. >> oba -- ♪ obamacare ♪ used to be romneycare >> i think 26 is fine. >> 27 would be pushing it? >> i think that encourages young kids to stay at home and be slackers. >> reporter: what do you think a co-pay should be on a vodka martini? >> i think they should be free. >> reporter: do you have a second? you want to talk about the supreme court decision on obamacare, it would take two seconds. all right. thank you ♪ it might be declared ♪ unconstitutional i think he should stick to comedy, bill. >> i couldn't help it. i couldn't help it. i was surprised i didn't know my key. don't blame it on me. >> very good. and the vodka martini, what
was that? a co-pay on a vodka martini? >> people had a lot of opinions on that. there was a lot of gut reactions, and i can't wait to get out there and do it again. >> what was the biggest surprise besides the tea party? >> well, i was actually surprised how informed some people were. they blew me away. of course, none of that made it into the video. >> no, but they knew they were covered until they were 26. there were a lot of things there. >> a lot of people had -- very specific things about the bill they were familiar with. and hey, everybody is waiting with bated breath to find out what the supreme court does next week, if they want to put out their own response video. scalia, bring it on, we'll be here waiting for you. yes, if laughter is the best medicine, maybe bill santiago should be in carnell of health care reform. jerry sandusky is on suicide
a dark chapter has closed for the men who sustained abuse. jerry sandusky awaits sentencing. we have reaction to the late-night verdict. >> reporter: in the ends jurors found jerry sandusky guilty of 45 of 48 counts against him, and not guilty of three. the attorney general thanked the young men who came forward and
testified. >> they've shown great strength and courage this investigation, candidly and sometimes chillingly, telling the stories not only to the jury and a packed courtroom. but also to the entire world. >> reporter: his defense attorney was conciliatory. >> the sandusky family is very disappointed, obviously by the verdict of the jury, but we respect their verdict. >> reporter: throughout the trial, alleged victims described involuntary sexual encounters. the defense called numerous character witnesses to the stand, including sandusky's wife dottie. she testified she never noticed any signs of inappropriate behavior. the defense argued that investigators pushed accuse egg to make claims and the alleged victims were out to make a profit. sandusky never took the stand in his own defense. for the local community, the trial will have a long-lasting impact. >> the whole name is just
completely tarnished now. the reputation is -- it's going to take a while to come back. >> reporter: in bellefonte, pennsylvania. jerry sandusky is now under lock and key awaiting sentencing. how is he reacting? does the defense team have any regrets. i posed though questions a short time ago too one of the sandusky's defense attorney. joining mess is carl rom inger. thank you for joining us. what is the latest on his condition this morning? is he indeed on suicide watch? >> he is on one on one custody. it was done in that restrictive environment, not for any particular reason, but as a prophylactic measure by the cord an the warden.
there's for reason to believe he needs to be on suicide watch, but it was done in an abundance of caution, given the nature of the charges i'm curious, has he said anything to his defense team since? >> the short answer is we didn't have much time with him. as you know, he walked out not in handcuffs, eventually put in cuffs to be transported in the car to the prison, but out of a sign of respect, the court allowed him to walk out on his own volition. that said, when i looked at him during the verdict, i could see tearing running down his eyes. to the extent that anyone said he was emotional is simply not true. >> joe amendola said he was not surprised by the verdict. is that the way the entire defense team felt before the
verdicts were read? >> the short answer is joe knew and i knew we had a huge uphill battle. every not guilty that we got, we eked out with very little time to prepare, with no continuances. you can get five continuances for a speeding ticket, but you can't get one for jerry sandusky. we were given thousands of pages days before trial started, so we were simply behind the eight ball from the beginning. we felt with more time we could have developed a better defense, but that said, it was like climbing mt. everett to quote lead counsel amendola. do you regret putting his wife on the stand? >> no, i think she was very helpful. that jury was out 20-some hours. people say it was 48 counts, so they had a lot of deliberation. the short answer is they had a lot of deliberation, but the charges roll into one basically.
if you're guilty on one, you're guilty of the following four. with that in mind, that was an awful lot of time for what most people thought was a pretty simple case. i think dotty was one of the keys to raising some doubt. >> what was behind the decision to keep jerry sandusky off the stand? >> well, that's complex. there was a lot of issues going on. we were able to show the police went off reporting, coached the witness what they thought was secretly, but didn't realize they forgot to turn the tape recorder off. they went back in the interview not knowing we would be able to see that. we thought that was powerful and led against him putting him on the stand e we also felt that the matt sandusky issue was a problem. once the government chose not to call matt in their case in chief, we then felt they might be able to call him in rebuttal if jerry took the stand. some of my conversation
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bernardo ruiz filmed the documentary about the reporters who cover the narco -- you followed a veteran reporter for two years, with him day in and day out as he uncovered the stories about the cartels. what did you learn from him? >> one of the things i learned is how dedicated these journalists have been. the one i profile in the film writes weekly, and although they're not the only aggress i have been investigative reporting unit in northern mexico, they're certainly one of the few. they're a very outspoken news organization and have paid a heavy price for what they do. >> why do you think they continue to do it? did you ask them this? it's so deadly. >> certainly it's deadly.
they've lost -- who i profile in the film, he's lost three of his colleagues, including a very close friend gunned down on the step of his newspaper. it goes to a larger commitment and hope by getting information out, it forces a change in mexico. obviously sense december of 2006 there's been a level of violence that's horrific. i saw the number you posted. just a few week ago, the number was put closinger to 88,000. we're talking about those are report the homicides. >> and you show in the documentary that car tells really have police in their pockets. that regular people really have nowhere to turn. have journalists basically become -- to show that?
>> i think that's a very good question. unfortunately that is the case in many region where police departments have been corrupted. we know at least 48 media workers have been murdered or disappeared. when i finished my film in january of 2012, that number was at 40. that means in the last six months we've seen the murders of at least eight journalists. unfortunately the worst of that violence has happened in the state of veracruz, which is a port state. we know that six ver murdered in the most gruesome way, their bodies found in garbage bags in the last two months. >> as a journalist myself, it's hard for me to imagine going to work and wondering if i'm going to come home. why are the cartels actually targeting the journalists? >> so we are talking about organized crime figures that are used to operating with impunity and anonymity.
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the supreme court is on the verge of a landmark decision on health care in america. within the next week the justices are expected to rule on obamacare, that's the health care reform law also known as as the patient protection and affordable care act. the court will either let the law stand, strike down portions
or all of it. joining mess is professor lawrence jacobs. larry, so nice to see you. good morning. i want you to listen to some of the things that we've heard first, and then talk to you about it. >> i believe that you won't have to buy it, but if you can't afford it, then it's automatically given to you? >> i believe that you do have a couple years that you do need to shop around within your state markets to get insurance, but there are exceptions, though. for instance, for religious organizations, so not of has to buy insurance. >> all right. so a lot of folks, larry, talking about this individual mandate. that gets all the attention. tell us exactly a little more about what it is. will it truly force everyone to get insurance? >> the whole idea of the individual mandate is simple, to encourage as many people in our communities to sign up for health insurance, so they don't
wait until they get sick. we have a lot of people who are preriding, thinking i'm healthy, i don't need insurance, but then something awful happens. they're in a car accident, they get very ill, and then the oy wt care. so the mandate is to get everyone in paying their fair share, but it only affects about 1 in 20 americans. when you look at the actual requirement to get the insurance, because of the subsidies and other things, it probably will only affect about 2 in 100 americans, so a very small amount of americans will actually be affected, despite the political brouhaha over it. >> but in terms of enforcement, if something doesn't buy insurance, if the mandate does in fact go through and isn't overturned, is there any kind of enforcement, perhaps the i.r.s.? can they do anything?
>> this is one of the real myths about the man dade. the law actually says that the i.r.s. cannot collect what is a pretty small penalty. it tells the i.r.s. you can't put a leen on people's houses, you can't force them to pay that. so it's really meant to be a bit of a effort to encourage people to get insurance, but not truly enforceable. >> is it even an important part of the overall law? >> a lot of people have said this. in fact the insurance companies which at the end of the day came out against passing the health reform, they were for it for most of the 2009-2010 bloodbath, because they like the mandate. get everybody in, then we can offer a quality they can offer quality insurance package and make money. the insurance companies came out against health insurance reform once the mandate penalty got smaller and smaller and it was
not enforceable. but, look, if people are getting subsidies and they're giving access to health insurance, we expect the vast number of americans to say, hey, that's a good deal. we'll sign up. >> so let's talk about medicare now. a lot of people are certainly worried about cuts and perhaps loss of benefits. they think if there are cuts, it could cost them more. what is the real issue here? >> well, for about a quarter of medicare beneficiaries who are on a program called medicare advantage which allows private insurance companies to offer coverage to medicare folks, there has been a cut in their reimbursement. we were paying the private insurance companies a bit more than 10% more to get them to play in the game. and that was costing a lot of money. so that part has been scaled back. some of the folks at medicare advantage are feeling the crunch there. look, there's a lot in here for seniors to begin with, the
prescription drug benefit is now being expanded already. seniors can get a $250 rebate. but this is the so-called donut hole that seniors know about. that's going to be gradually filled in over the next seven years. that's a great benefit. one of the really unspoken benefits in the health reform are the first national steps to try to get a handle on the awful abuse of seniors and nursing homes and by family members. there is real steps being taken here to get a handle on that abuse of seniors. >> a lot to chew on. a lot to make sense of there. larry jacobs, thank you so much. nice to see you. again, supreme court is expected to have a decision some time next week. we'll bring it you to live, of course, when it happens. cnn newsroom starts at the top of fred is here with a preview. >> we have a lot coming up at noon eastern time. we love to showcase our
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arizona. they set traps all around town. obesity rates are skyrocketing in america. the government wants restaurant chains to post calorie counts. as brian todd reports, pizza executives are fighting back. >> reporter: lunch time and i'm ordering pizza for my colleagues and me. it's 100 degrees outside and i don't want caloric intake. luckily i can get a sense of how many calories i'll be slamming. it's on the menu board. medium pepperoni, please that's 215 calories for a slice. if one part of the health care laws goes through, i'll see that on every dominos in america. they would force restaurant chains with 20 or more locations to clearly post on menus or menu boards the calorie count for each item. you're telling me how many different ways can you order a pizza? >> we calculated can you do 34 million different it ragss of a
pizza. >> reporter: this woman is working the halls of capitol hill trying to fight off the proposed rule. pizza executives say with all those ways to order a pizza, a menu board calculation of calories is useless. executives from chains like pizza hut and papa johns are joining forces against it. >> most of the customers in pizza stores order online or over the phone. they don't look at a menu board and make their decision that way. so we're not only doing it in a way that's expensive for the small business person. we're doing it in a way that is too confusing. >> reporter: they don't want to spend money on menu boards that most customers won't see when ordering. it's enough that customers can go online for the information. i chose a hand tossed crust medium size and add pepperoni. on dominos meter online, i get the readout. 215 calories, 20 milligrams of cholesterol, 3.5 grams of saturated fat for a slice. i'm ready to chow down on my medium pepperoni pizza. before i do, want i want to get
guilt trip from the nutrition expert. why is it so important for me to get the bad news about calories from a menu board in there rather than some other way or ignoring it? >> people are eating out a lot more than in the past. now we're getting a third of our calories from eating at restaurants and other kinds of retail food establishments. so it's a big part of our diet. and it's a problematic part of our diet. studies show that eating out is linked to obesity. >> she says there are mixed results from studies in places where there are already calorie labels on menus n those places like new york city, it's been found that people have used the information to make informed choices to cut calories when they order. brian todd, cnn, bethesda, maryland. >> that made me hungry. >> me, too. i still have an appetite for pizza. >> but some people eat just the top. then there are those who eat just the bottom. everybody has their own way of thinking. >> or maybe don't eat the crust. >> do you without the fat and
the cheese. but then eat the top and do without the carbs. >> but it's pizza. >> yeah, that's true. >> get me a slice. >> i will. i'll enjoy that. >> is that 215 calories for one slice? >> yes. >> enjoy your day. >> have a great day. we're going to begin with engineer ji sandusky. convicted and behind bars. he may stay there the rest of his life. the former penn state coach was found guilty on 45 of 48 counts of sexually abusing ten boys. the jury reached that verdict late last night after deliberating 21 hours. and this was the reaction outside the courthouse. [ applause ] sandusky was placed under arrest and booked into the county jail in bellfont, pennsylvania. he was placed in protective custody away from other inmates and is now on