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jimmy fallon. >> thank you for having me back. yeah, since the last time, i thought you'd never invite me back. really, ever. >> intriguing cover of your album here. >> yeah, i was -- >> it appears to be your naked butt. >> it's a gentleman enjoying a red wine. what's a red wine you love? >> chateau lature. >> yeah, it's a chateau lature. and he's laying on his rug and he's about to listen to blow your pants off and his pants get blown off. >> sort of madmen-esque until he gets here. >> every comedian, there's a butt joke in there somewhere. >> now, last time you were here, you wore a smart suit, you were very much the persona of a television star. what is worrying slightly about all of this is that you've arrived today for all intense and purposes looking like mick
jagger. and you've arrived with one of the biggest entourages that i've ever seen. >> no, a lot of -- >> this is the second biggest entourage i've seen after janet jackson. >> a lot of pretty girls with me there in my entourage. >> are they called the final net sns. >> they are now. >> i have a big entourage of people. >> how do you jump this rock starship? >> i haven't changed at all. >> the entourage, the new look. >> i'm just looser. >> i just have this compilation of all of this music and maybe it is going to my head a little bit. i'm very proud of the record. i think it's very good, fun. >> and the whole idea that you managed to persuade these people
to do this is equally unfathomable to me. paul mccartney and me saw you scrambling it on the show. but the fact that you got it on the album, you're singing the original title of "yesterday" with paul mccartney. yesterday was scrambled eggs. i've actually seen the original manuscript. >> i've got to preinterview him. he's the nicest human. and he's doing saturday night live. i go into his dressing room and say hey, paul. he says hey, jimmy. we'll just have a little chat. it's going to be a fun chat. he says we're going to have fun. i said yeah, we'll have fun. i was just wondering, we were writing a sketch. >> he says, you know, i'd rather just do a chat, you know. it's fun. we'll just do that. would you like a veggie burger? and i say thank you. how do you say no? so i'm having a veggie burger,
i'm talking to paul mccartney. he's one of my idols. remember when he wrote yesterday. of course i remember it. i wrote it. i know, but this is the thing, one of our writers finished the song like you wrote the whole thing about scrambled eggs. >> scrambled eggs. and then his head is there like waffle fries. how i love your thighs. and then i say oh my gosh, are you going to do it? and i say i'll do it only if you'll do it with me. i didn't go in for a duet. i went in to have him do it by himself. >> it was a completely surreal moment. it's paul mccartney.
>> sir paul mccartney. >> i have a fan letter i wrote on give my regards to broad street album where you can see if you hold it up to the light, you can see my penmanship through the card board. it's a sad family. and i think i got something. >> okay. now, have you looked at the image of the two of you? how did this happen? >> i'm talking on the phone and i've done an impression of neil young. i've done an impression of neil young singing versions of topical songs. i did neil young singing fresh prince of bellaire. and it's sad, almost, you know? and it's really a heart-warming song.
so bruce saw those things. i have an idea. i'll do neil and you do you and we'll just do willis with my hair. i have to say i'm not familiar with that track. and i say it's a really big hit song. that's the song. it's really poppy. ♪ wip my hair back it's really haunting and sad. and then you come in and go you've got to whip my hair back. >> you have got to have the most persuasive skills than anybody in america. >> yeah, that's a good idea. >> he loves it. he's laughing. he says, in fact, what i'm
thinking is maybe i'll dress like '70s bruce. >> which he does. >> he says to me we're putting a beard and a floppy hat and this is like an impersonator. i don't quite get this. wait a second. that's bruce doing this. and the amazing part is, first of all, he's just a rock star. so standing next to me, just feel that magnetism that rock stars have. and we the beard on him and the glass and the hat and he looks like he's from born to run, the album cover. so he walks out of the hair and make-up to the green room. he walks over and he's just like he's got that strut and his tight jeans on. he walks over to his manager, john landeau. and john starts telling me a little bit. bruce, you look like when we first started working together. >> no?
>> that was, of course, the president of the united states. the commander in chief on late night with jimmy fallon. how did you persuade him to do that? >> it was one of those weird things. we had done a sketch for the white house for the get-fit initiative for the first lady. >> we're going to come to that. you basically got humiliated by the first lady on almost every physical test. >> well, she's very fit. >> and you're clearly not. >> it wasn't for humiliation, it was just the joy of competition. >> well, did you deliberately lose? >> well, no, because we did everything inside the white house. she knows where she's going. i mean, first of all, i put on my best outfit so i could work out. >> well, she made me change. the first lady made me change. and so we played -- we started
to race up the stairs. we had a potato sack race in the east room. so we played dodge ball in the east room, which is -- there's a portrait of george washington that's like in the oldest artifact in the white house in the room that we're playing dodge ball. >> well, the goal of this is to get children to get fit and work out. >> and what's your goal? to get some of the most familiar scenes ever seen in the history of the white house. don't lie to me. tell me the truth. >> what's your first thought? >> gerald ford has played out, hasn't he? no, honestly, here's the thing. i -- i -- i love the president and i love -- i love anyone who's president. i'm very patriotic. so if they want me to do a thing -- if i can help them out in anyway, i'll try to do it so that we both win.
>> you had a private meeting with the president before the slow jam. how does that go? >> well, first of all, they want you to meet the president alone. you invited him. so i have to be there. no stage manager, no assistants, no fallonettes -- >> no fallonettes? that's got to be painful for you. >> my wife had to stand in the room next door. he wants to see you first so he can go say hi to you. it's just protocol. so i had a piece of paper printed out that said president obama like the limousine driver would have in the airport? and then i'm squinting like is that you? and then he comes out and i say hey, i'm marcus, i'll be your escort. if you want a water or anything, let me know. he says this will be fun. this will be fun. we're going to slow jam. here we go. >> all right, where's your wife, nancy? because he knows everybody.
security has come in, swept everything. he knows he's going to meet my wife and then meet the writers of slow jam the news and we're going to rehearse it. it he's very presidential, very charming. and then we go into a room with the writers and i show my rehearsal. he says i've seen slow jam. i said okay, here we go. >> he's fantastic. he has great timing. >> it was a fantastic speech. the guy could go to vegas. >> no, i would never want to be on the white house correspondence. i could never follow him. he's too good. >> and great writers, too. >> yeah, yeah. >> at the end, normally i do it with brian williams. at the end of my slow jam, i should tell people what it is. it's basically reading the news
in an r&b sexy style. so, at the end, brian williams usually goes oh, yeah. and president obama turns it in and goes oh yeah. >> he says oh, i can't do that. i mean, there's certain things like the white house -- i know from my years of "saturday night live" how to not go too far over the edge so it's insulting anyone. so there wasn't much of a change, you know, to the script. >> your jokes are never terrible. they're not funny, but they're not terrible. >> i have an issue with this guy. he does this impression. you loved it last time you were here.
>> i don't speak like that. >> yes, you do. >> no, i don't. >> piers, you do. >> he's this guy on saturday night live that does the best impression. i said i think we were at commercial. you've got to see this guy. next time, all year-long, he's going to be -- >> he's even mastered my coming after the break. >> he's phenomenal. >> what it does, it makes you paranoid. i watch it and then i start to perform like he does as me. i'm morphing into a version of myself. >> you know who did that in a good way? jerry seinfeld. i have an impression of seinfeld that's okay. it's not great by any means. he raised his impression to
match my voice. so we were selling these pants for men and we were saying who buys these beach pants? no guy wants to wear them to the beach? it's ridiculous. and i'm yelling. and he's looking at me like this is not what i sound like at all. but he's going i know, i love them. take the shirt off, you refold it. this place is great. i love this story. >> before we go to the break, before we do that, what is the -- if you had three minutes left in your life and could only impersonate one person that's going to be a lasting impression -- >> why would i impersonate someone with three minutes left in my life. >> why do americans have to be so literal about this. >> i want to spend time with loved ones. but i would talk like this the whole time. i love you.
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♪ jimmy fallon, the roots calling on nbc's late night. and jimmy is back with me now. i can't decide if you're the beginning of the future of the music business or the beginning of the end of the music business. >> yeah, well, maybe the answer is on one of these cards you have laid out on this table. can you get more index cards laid out? >> just call me maybe. even my kids back in england who wouldn't necessarily know who you are now know you're the guy from the call me maybe. >> it's amazing. it's -- our show is -- that's why i'm happy we got a chance to put the cd out.
a lot of people don't stay up late enough to watch our show and they don't see the fun stuff that we do on our show and how fun it is and a lot of musical stuff that we do. i remember the first time we went viral -- we don't plan on going viral, it's just up to the world. so justin timberlake and i did a history of rap. and we rapped all of these songs from the '80s up until now. we did it live with the roots. it was so fun. and then the next day, it just exploded on the web. >> you are late night, but there is a growing little buzz around town that maybe it's time you were on a little earlier on nbc. >> the buzz is not coming from me. i like being where i am. >> would you turn down the tonight show? >> no, i wouldn't turn it down. >> is it the holy grail? >> no. >> really? >> i don't think so. i think it's the story.
but it's not. i think someone said, like, the "tonight show" with johnny carson was johnny carson. if it ends up being "the tonight show" with jimmy falcon, i'm changing my name, i think it's cool. but i don't know, it's -- time slots don't matter to me. you either do the show and you work hard and keep your head down. >> now, i want to get you to sing. one of my basis for this whole album is when you get together with the doors. you perform "reading rainbow" and apparently, it gets completely out of hand. so i want you to play with you as jim morrison. >> so it just starts out we're just kind of goofing off in my writer's room. we're just kind of like this. ♪
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>> they said you'd get it wrong. >> i know. oceania is on today. the founder of the smashing pumpkins. welcome, billy. it's like a smoldering volcano. i thought they had this angry man of rock. >> i'm sure you'll get to it, piers. you're very good at that. >> you seem quite applicable to me. >> well, i like your show. that's the difference. that has a lot to do with it. i talk to a lot of people and i don't respect them. >> well, that actually means a lot to me. >> i've seen you do some great interviews. i think for somebody who's been interviewed a lot, and i know people in my position understand there's the right interview and then it's like you start phony because it's robo-language. >> what is the kind of interview that absolutely sends you demented. >> they just google you and then they just go with all the
headlines. to me, if you're talking to an artist, it's such a rare opportunity to get into the mind of the artist and the greatest interviewers, people like you and charlie rose. they penetrate into a place where i say okay, now i understand why they're like that. that's what i want to know. >> what do you think of america right now? >> you're starting right off. >> yeah. >> i'm very disappointed in my country right now. because i think we've kind of lost our moral compass. we've turned into kind of a whining society. listen, i've done plenty of whining in my life. but at some point, we've got to get out of this paternalistic turn that we're in where we want daddy to come and save us and the banks to come and save us and get back to a level of responsibility that we haven't seen for some time. i'm just an artist. i'm not a hero. i'm disappointed at the level of political and cultural rhetoric that's so low.
it's kind of shocking. and everyone just seems to be okay with it. well, that's just the way it goes. i'm sorry, i see i'm from the lower middle class. i see the class hollering out. i see the people in my family really struggling. and, yet, we're still arguing about these really kind of stupid, nuance things that political commentators know are b.s. but they play along. that's political theater. well, meanwhile, it's affecting real people with real lives and family. and that's really hard for me to watch. >> your comment there about paternal and maternal responsibility, you, of course, grew up in a weird situation with both of your natural parents. kind of distance themselves from you. >> yeah, basically. >> at a very young age and left you just to run your life as you could. how much has that guided your sense of people not being reliant on their parents. >> that's a really good question. i don't know.
from a spiritual point, it's whether or not we translate them. for a lot of years, i just complained and i looked like a very unhappy rock star. and then one day i woke up and thought i had a different responsibility in this world. once i started doing that, i started seeing the world with much different eyes. >> the only thing that may have deteriorated more than your country in your eyes may be the music industry. >> i'm more worried about my country. but, yeah, the music -- >> in a way, it's paramount. it's so mechanical. it's like anti-creativity. that's my sense of it looking at the music business for the last 40 years.
there right-hand turn many acts like you guys around. you're going to go on tour and you want to play the album in its entirety from start to finish. i can't think of a single other relevant act out there that would dare to do that. they would assume their fans wouldn't like it. >> they're out there playing their old albums. if you keep telling people the past is better, the past is better, how can you turn around and say i'll pay attention to the new thing? it's anti-creativity. it's safe and, you know, it's like you're caught rubbing somebody's tummy again and again. but meanwhile, in this case, in my generation, the old days is only 15 years ago. it's kind of bizarre. >> what do you do when your fans scream. i think it's the perspective. if the fan respects where you're at today and then you play those old songs in the right context, i think that's a win/win for everybody. if the only reason you're there is to play the old songs, you're
basically there as an artist. >> because they go out touring all the time because that's the way they can make money. ozzy osbourne now comes from live performing and t-shirt sales. he can't make the kind of money he used to from selling records, can you? >> no, but you still have to drive from an artistic point of view. and if you don't, you're just there to make money. let's call it for what it is. as long as people are transparent about their motives, i don't have a problem. there's so many people in my business that pretend that they care about art, they care about culture, they care about people, but they're doing the same thing as everybody else. that bugs me. >> politically, you've been -- i wouldn't say vague, but are you an obama man at heart? >> no. i was basically raised a democrat in essence in a somewhat liberal family. when you grow up around drug
addicts and freaks, you tend to lean left, you know? and i remember as a kid, there was a lot of antinixon stuff. and, in essence, in my family's mind, the '50s archetype of the shut down, alcoholic male worked with the republican party for a while. but i also remember my grandmother, connie sitting in front of the tv before reagan was nominated for the candidacy and crying. my grandmother was an immigrant from italy and i saw real tears in her eyes because she thought reagan was going to restore this country to whatever she thought. i'm at the point now where i don't trust either political party. i don't see a reasonable independent run for anybody. it's just rationale and going to get there. but the choices we have are so compromised, i just don't get it. but, again, everyone wants the theater more than they want the reality. >> what is the kind of leader that you're craving in an
american president? >> moral compass. and that's where i'm disappointed in the president is he ran on a moral compass agenda. but what happened? you know? i mean, i'm sure there's lots of good reasons and i'm sure they'll roll somebody out to counter thoughts like that. but i don't see it. i don't see it. and i travel the world, you know. and so do you. and i've seen foreigners really shift on their view of america. and that's hard for me to take. i still believe in my country. i know that the working class of this country is what this country is really about. that's how i grew up and that's my people. i see them broken down, that's hard to watch. >> i saw the premier of aaron sorkin's new drama "news room." jeff daniels' character makes this speech to a bunch of students. and the point he makes, he's asked what he thinks about america. and he says that it's completely
wrong to say america is still the greatest country in the world. it used to be and it can be again. but actually, statistically, if you look at all of the criteria, education, science, illiteracy, et cetera, et cetera, america is lagging way behind now, many countries. what do you think? >> i agree. i don't -- i don't see the vigorous democracy -- not democratic, the vigorous democracy that i was raised to believe in. and i don't understand where that went. now, does that mean somebody want that is debate to go down because it's easier to control narcitzed people? or is it just we're stuck with our phones that we don't have time to care about the reality of our country? i don't totally understand all the causal effects. >> one theory is the celebrity of america and most of the civilized world and the politics. let's take a break.
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more than one and less than five? >> jessica simpson was one? >> did you roll in the hay with her? >> she has a hay bale in her bedroom! and the leftover employ hat from the movie. >> a little bit of part of you is drawn to these stars? >> absolutely. i grew up in the 1970s and, you know, dallas and gilligan's island. i love american culture in that way. it's when it's risen to this other kind of psychotic level that is frightening. especially some of the messages that sends young women and the way it reverts back to the celebrities is that they are supposed to carry some sort of mantle and jessica can't gain or lose five pounds without creating a headline you can say whatever you want whether you're a fan or not but to put a woman in that position that's not her creating that position and i don't want to hear this argument
it's implicated than that. i give credit to paris and kim kardashian creating evils. that is america. great. god bless them. the people that pretend they are not that makes me crazy. >> here is why i have an issue with it and i like paris and -- and i like them and see no problem with them doing the best they can. they both work very hard at it. is there a problem fundamentally with a society and the culture which puts people like that on pedestal in the sense it inevidentably chips away at the in stich of people who perhaps are more deserving of stars? you go back 50 years and you had the great actors and great singers. the only way you could be famous in that era is genuinely world class talented and that is gone. >> if you look at hollywood the way hold beauty standards have shifted. we have gone to lauren bacall like door next door. nothing wrong with that you but the american public is me obsessed.
they want to project. it's easier for them to project on somebody like kim kardashian than it is somebody like, you know, linda evangelista. >> you're a tweeter. >> unfortunately to my detriment. >> you can't help but read the terrible stuff on there which is a downside. you had a great quote. saying everyone made everyone archie bunker. which i love. the flip side everyone has a voice if they want on twitter. why shouldn't they have a voice and why shouldn't their opinion or tweet be as valuable to the world as yours or mine? >> i have no problem with that. i have a problem when -- look. if you talk to most people, they have a hard time understanding what social responsibility means, do you know what i mean? like i'm out there. i understand the social responsibility and the position i have. i don't just say anything i want. if you have nothing to lose you
can say whatever you want. a culture that celebrates that and rises it up to another level, that's to me is a dangerous culture. a reason the founding fathers did the electoral college because they didn't trust the mob and the mob wasn't any different than it is now. if it was all about the mob i can't imagine what we would be dealing with. i think some sort of checks and balances in the systems but when they are not transparent and that's where it gets complicated with celebrity because, you know, look at the systems that push those celebrities, do you know what i mean? and look. if it wasn't kim kardashian, it's about somebody else. it's not about kim, it's about that position. does that make sense? am i rambling? >> at complicated thing now. >> it's a business now and we have to deal with it as a business. >> the old days if marilyn monroe is tweeting i'm sure the magic in marilyn would have died quickly. >> i don't think we would still be talking about her. >> the mystique.
interesting people these days carries that mystique and jack nicholson haven't given a tv interview in 40 years and understand less is more. >> i haven't figured that out yet. >> thank god! because you're a good guest. >> thank you. >> you have something to say which is so unusual. >> i'm over the line and have to go with it. oceania. it's out now. what do you feel about this album? >> what's interesting about it in my life is, you know, i made some great albums in the '90s which became sort of like a mill stone around my neck. you'll never reach that height again and never do it and you need the old band. dah, dah, dah. i make an album and as good as those albums. the question is why did you stop making these kinds of albums? they can't understand the cultural aspects to be an artist and down turn in the music business and fans making it about the past and you find yourself reacting and rejecting against those expectations only
through maturity and a little bit of spiritual revelation have i realized that i was diminishing myself on some level to try to answer some question that i could answer and so this is just my way of saying i could have done this all along and now i'm in a good place where i can do this. i like it because it's high communication in a simple way and it's not like, you know, sometimes you want to be weird and arty. this is straight up the middle and good music. >> terrific album. you are true to yourself. an unusual quality in many musicians in my experience certainly of the modern type. so i wish you the very best with it. a pleasure. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me. all energy development comes with some risk, but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation
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