tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN September 19, 2012 10:00pm-11:00pm EDT
>> good evening everyone we begin with breaking news. reporting you will see right here. today a hearse bore the body of a navy s.e.a.l. glen doherty passed just outside his boston home. today new details leading up to the murder of he and others last week. including the american ambassador there christopher stephens. we have learned about the threat he foresaw and the signal he gave to at least one person he knew about what he was seeing. today what many suspected that the killings though they happened during a wave of
protests, were not committed just by protesters. listen to the national counterterrorism center director at the a senate homeland security hearing. >> i would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy. >> he went on to say that they lacked significant advanced planning or coordination. they are looking to connections to al qaeda and local al qaeda affiliates. now, are you looking at the scene, just outside the consulate in benghazi, as a pro american crowd tried to rush ambassador stevens, wounded, still alive, to the hospital. tonight, "360" obtains exclusive information about the climate that led up to all of this. ambassador stevens said in the month before his death, he talked about being worried what he called the never-ending security threats, specific until benghazi. the source telling us that the ambassador mentioned the rise in
islamic extremism, the growing counterclaim presence in libya, that he was on an al qaeda hit list. in addition, our source tells us he e-mailed a journalist in the wake of a bombing near a consulate in june. he wrote, and i quote, maybe you head east to benghazi to check out the situation, which appears to be heating up. we don't know why, given all that ambassador stevens, why he traveled with such an apparently light security detail. did he want it that way? or did his warnings go unhead heeded, and did he and his people die because of it? we don't know. senator john mccain has criticized some of the steps taken since gadhafi has been outed. and he has been critical of what happened to ambassador stevens and the three others. i spoke to senator mccain today. senator mccain, a source told us in the months before ambassador steven's death, he was worried
about the never-ending security threats in benghazi and the rise in islamic extremism and growing al qaeda presence and also immensed being on an al qaeda hit list. in june, he wrote in an e-mail to a journalist and i quote, maybe you should head east to benghazi to check out the situation there which appears to be heating up. given all of that, what we are now learning about concerns that he had, does it make any sense to you, the level of -- or the small level of security he apparently had with him? >> it doesn't make any sense, and i'll tell you what doesn't make any sense, is the white house spokesman, secretary of state and ambassador to the u.n., stating categorically, it was not a terrorist attack, it had all of the earmarks of a terrorist attack, rocket-prop rocket-propelled grenades and heavy weapons and a well carried out military operation. so why they want want to tell the mesh people that and face the facts, i don't know. there are other reports that
there had been other threats made and also reports that there are basically an al qaeda extremist outfit militia, right there in benghazi. >> fran townsend, who worked in the bush administration, told us she was visiting libya recently, about a month or so before this attack, actually met with ambassador stevens at a hotel in tripoli, he arrived in an armored vehicle with a driver, when he entered the hotel, he had no security with him at all. and that surprised her at the time. i mean, it seems -- i've never seen an ambassador in a war zone, in a place like libya with threats, who doesn't have a larger entourage of security. is this an intelligence failure. what do you attribute this to? >> i attribute it partially to the courage of chris stevens. as you know, he lived in a hotel in benghazi during the fighting. as you know, it's pretty clear that security people should have
given him more security, particularly in been ghazi. as you know, the country is divided very badly. there are far more islamic influence in that part of libya than tripoli. >> previously you mentioned people from the obama administration said they felt this wasn't a planned attack, an offshoot of this video. but the director of the national counterterrorism center said at a hearing today, attack in benghazi was "a terrorist attack." he didn't specify if it was preplanned or not. it goes beyond what we've heard before. how significant is that? >> i think it's significant that the secretary of the united nations would go on our networks and tell people things that are absolutely false and fly in the face of the facts. i think maybe the american people are owed an apology. but the most important thing is that we have to understand that
this video was not the cause of it. the cause of it was islamists who use these videos in order to inflame these people, in order to attack america. i mean, anderson, i'm confident right now there, are people making videos, just as a french cartoonist made cartoons, are making videos right now. we should stand up to freedom of speech and we'll defend people to speak out, rather than condemn hateful videos which are the vehicle, not the cause. the cause is radical islamists. >> do you think there needs to be some sort of investigation about what happened, about the security situation at the consulate in benghazi and perhaps even elsewhere? >> there has to be. there has to be. i want to emphasize, one, libya is very weak as you know. their borders are porous, there are radical islamist elements throughout the country. but, still, the obligation of the host country to protect our
consulates, embassies and our personnel, and it's partially ours, but we have to depend on the host country and we have to then sort out and rethink what presence we're going to have and what relationship we will have with these countries. >> you were campaigning for governor romney in new hampshire on monday and you hit president obama hard from everything from economic policy to recent attacks in libya, and according to reports, you don't believe the president has "the strength or ability to lead this nation." you said recent events showed how weak he is. are you saying president obama is benghazi? >> no, but i'm saying he's responsible for failure in afghanistan and iraq. iraq is now disintegrating, al qaeda is coming back. we didn't leave a residual force in afghanistan, he overruled his military advisers on several occasions, including 30,000 instead of 40,000 for the surge
and accelerated withdrawal dates and now we have a situation where taliban and our enemies know we are leaving, and the whole premise, was to train afghans to turn over these responsibilities to them, and leave. now how can we train and work with these people if so many them are killing americans we can't even train and operate with them? by that policy, it has been an abject failure. >> we'll talk more with senator mccain about domestic issues a bit later in the program. first, bob baer and fran townsend. fran, served as a member of the cia external advisory committee, and last month visited libya with her employer, mccannkancan forbes. he said that there were security concerns. >> we had a long conversation, especially with darna, to the
east of benghazi, and he was aware of the increased threat. we talked about them increasing in numbers and threats, access to weapons. consistent with what you heard, he suggested i go to benghazi. august 29th, so less than two weeks before he was killed. he understood it was heating up, but because of my background, thought i would have an appreciation of it. the other thing worth mentioning, as senator mccain said to you, you know, chris stevens had been in benghazi, before gadhafi fell, was with the rebels. my take on the security situation, it was very fragile, very chaotic, worried about the militias, and chris stevens' perspective, it was certainly not as bad as it had been during the height of the fighting, so i really was -- as we were looking at the same facts, it was shocking to me, his lack of security, the lack of sort of security forces, and their organization and training and so i'm -- i'm not sure he was
incredibly comfortable there. >> the other thing, we don't know, we don't have the information on yet, is whether those concerns that he had, that he had expressed to one source we talked to, were passed up the chain of command, whether other folks knew about it, bob, you're pretty upset about this. ambassador stevens shouldn't even have been in libya if he was on an al qaeda hit list. >> anderson, i ended up on two lists, but in each case, the cia pulled me out of the country i was in. very weak information, they said, look, there is a possibility of assassination, get out. one time i left in the morning at 2:00 with my wife. the second time i was evacuated the next morning, brought out with security. this is standard protocol for state department when there is a threat, especial tolan ambassador. it's much more important than a cia case offer. pulled out, moved, or heavy security is sent in, and i mean
somebody like the s.e.a.l.s. the chain of command broke down and there needs to be an investigation, somewhere in the state department let our ambassador down. >> sources that monitor al qaeda websites haven't come across a specific threat against ambassador stevens. that doesn't mean there wasn't one. i know a lot of diplomats bristle against the tight security on the post. post-9/11 era, they say it gets in the way of them to interact with the host country, get out in the streets, which they feel they need to do. is that an explanation for light security? >> the ambassador, a consummate dip lo mate. he was out there. a brave man, doing exactly what i would have done in that case. but on the other hand, it's the higher ups in washington who got to put note to it. he knows the people, understood them. a good writer, doing his job. and he died doing his job. but the point is, someone has to
step in, protect our diplomats, especially in the middle east, that is kirkli lingcircling the. and it is. it will happen more and more, and it will put distance between us and the locals which is very unfortunate. >> do you agree if the ambassador was on a hit list, he should have been pulled out? >> i do. when he arrived at the hotel to have breakfast, he arrived with a car and driver and walked in, and there was not anyone with him. i was quite surprised. i waited in the loebby to greet him, walk him to breakfast it seemed very unusual to me in those circumstances. i will say, in fairness, we had an extensive conversation about islamic radicals and the growing extremism problem in libya, i find it remarkable, if he was really concerned or thought he was on a hit list, this was the kind of conversation where he would have shared that with me. we had worked together for a number of years, this was my
third trip to libya. the prior two were on behalf of the government. and i knew him. so i -- i'm surprised that he wouldn't have mentioned it to me. but, you know, as bob says, he was the kind of guy, who it probably wouldn't have intimidated, because he really felt like he needed to be without that in order to do his job. >> we feel very confident in the source. i can't say who the source is. in the information we've been given. bob, wouldn't anyone in that job be on an al qaeda hit list? wouldn't anyone in that job be an al qaeda target? say he was pulled out. wouldn't al qaeda go after whomever replaced him? >> oh, absolutely. remember, that there is -- the drones have killed a lot of libyans in afghanistan and this is a tribal society, which takes revenge, irrespective of religion. we're the number one target in libya. and the fact that there are so many arms, heavy arms included. the ambassador was a natural target, and only one way to protect these people, and that's
complete mobility. the s.e.a.l.s provide a security team, but the ambassador would never have been allowed to wander around hotels. she's absolutely right. this is a surprise to me that he was wandering around that country without security. >> you agree with bob, there knees to be needs to be an investigation? >> absolutely. even if it was the ambassador's preference to have a heavy footprint, we have a government to protect. >> more on mitt romney's effort to restate some of his remarks. restate i guess is the word on the i hadden camera video. in a more appealing way. mr. romney tries to refork discuss move on, his campaign is dragging the whole thing back. are they bending the facts? keeping them honest, next. ♪
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keeping them honest now what happens when the tape rolls and campaign operatives spin. we're talking about the hidden camera remarks. including this question and answer. >> we'll take care of it, how are we going to do it? two months before the election to convince everybody you've got to take care of yourself? >> well, 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. 47% who are with him, dependent upon government. believe they are victims, believe that government has a
responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, you name it. and it's entitlement, and that the government should give it to them and they will vote for this president no matter what. >> now remember, shortly after the liberal "mother jones" magazine put out that clip, mr. romney called a light-night news conference and asked for the whole tape to be released, which it was the very next day, mind us in two minutes. the gap is there because the camera person accidentally stopped recording. fast forward to what happened today as mr. romney tried to reshape that comment. articulating it in a way less likely to offend anyone. as that was happening, this campaign staff seemed to be picking a fight without the facts to win it. this afternoon in response to the israel remarks, romney campaign spokesman ryan williams
sent an e-mail saying this, ben la bolt talked on debunked mother jones tape. remember that. he is referring to the obama's spokesman calling him out for saying this. what are how do you think the palestinian problem would be solved? what are you going to do about that? >> i look at the these thorny issues and say there is no way. what you do, you move things along the best way you can, you hope to some degree of stability, but you recognize that this is a problem. i mean, we live with that in china and taiwan. all right. we have -- we have a potentially volatile situation, but we sort of live with it, and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately somehow something will happen to resolve it. >> well this afternoon ryan williams complained that mother jones truncated that clip to leave out the part that the
palestinians might come around. he writes: this morning, politico reported that the mother jones video was selectively edited to give a false impression about mitt romney's views. keeping them honest, that clip was followed later yesterday by the entire tape and nothing truncated at all. david corn who broke the tape story wrote this is getting ridiculous. this was not a case of collective editing, the point was to show what was news worthy, mitt romney stating views that he has not stated publicly. and with the allegation for the romney campaign, he said he did no such thing. when he says it was debunked, that true? >> no, it is not.
it is true that there were parts of the film -- parts of romney's remarks that were left out. those parts don't necessarily debunk the rest of the film. >> does it seem strange to you that the romney camp wane would be talking up parts of the video, saying that the governor stands by what he was trying to say, saying at that time it has been debunked? >> it is strange. it reflects the campaign is in crisis mode right now, scrambling to offset some of the negative press they got because of the release of this video. and so what they are trying to do. simultaneously trying to claim that it's somehow not legitimate and at the same time have you romney out there doing press conferences where he's doubling down on remarks elsewhere on the film. whether they are referring to the clip about his mid east remarks hardly matters. the film is legitimate or it isn't.
>> john, does it surprise the campaign, we keep saying double down, they keep drawing attention back to it, rather than away from it. >> well, a few things, you may be trying to apply logic to politics. governor romney, mrs. romney and paul ryan have given somewhat different explanations about what he was trying to say. or what he meant to say about the 47%. look the israel report? the romney campaign, especially the staff, has had a rough week to ten days. sometimes you are taught to not return every punch, does this make a lot of sense? not always they say left leaning mother joans and debunked. if voters get confused and think it's just politics, they might be willing to turn the page. >> we got our first glimpse of how voters are reacting.
a slim majority said it wouldn't make any difference at all. some said it was less likely to make to back romney, do you think these tapes will make a difference moving forward? >>ith very hard to say. what you may end up doing is preaching to the choir, particularly as you look at those on -- at these numbers. i think what you see in the romney campaign is a recallbration, because you can't put the jeanne back in the bottle this late in the campaign. make the best of it. so they are talking about redistribution of wealth. 1998 audio from president obama, trying to make this an issue of who is for a big, bloated government. that would be president obama versus who is for a government that can lift everybody up. that would be mitt romney. but in the end, there is a lot of confusion about this. it will be hard to tell exactly how this is going to impact the race, except, anderson if it comes up in the presidential
debates. and i bet it will. and then both mitt romney and president obama can explain their positions. >> john, it does feel like this team has been jumping from strategy to strategy, i mean, does this kind of move just give ammunition to what some republican critics have said since the beginning, that this campaign still functions as though it's not quite ready for prime sometime? >> in a word, yes. it does fuel those stories and that speculation and unhappiness among a lot of republicans. i'm in michigan today, met with the county chairwoman, she wants mitt romney back here, would like a consistent message. they say mitt romney shouldn't be talking about israel, redistribution, they sudden say president obama is a nice guy, but where is proof that he can create jobs? that's what mitt romney should focus on every day, every hour. i had say this this is my 70th presidential campaign. i cannot think of one
presidential campaign that doesn't have a rough patch. we have 48 days to go. republicans are nervous about the romney ryan ticket, here is what they think. inside the campaign they would agree that he has to get back on the economic message and has to get there by the first week of october. where you have the first presidential debate and 48 hours later, a big unemployment report. anybody who thinks romney campaign is in trouble thinks that's the pivot point, they have to execute perfectly. >> what are you hearing from republicans in how nervous they are. we see republican senators and those with tough races on their hands distancing themselves from romney remarks. >> you do see the distancing going on. you saw it with scott brown, other candidates, i think the greatest sign that republicans are nervous has to do with how much they are scrambling to feed this energy. john's point is well taken when he says that the debate, the first debate in october, october 3rd in denver is really going to
be the moment when -- when republicans are going to look to romney to reassert himself. >> gloria, i mean, it's interesting. this whole controversy, and i guess the reason it has had the legs it's had is it i understand can kind of reinforces a narrative that haunts the romney campaign from the beginning. the obama administration was trying to push. >> that's the real crux of the problem. anderson if you look at a new poll out here today by pew research, they ask the question, which candidate connects with ordinary americans? which has been mitt romney's problem. if you look at the numbers, barack obama, you see there 66%, mitt romney, 23%, almost a 3-1 margin. so if you are mitt romney and talking about people who depend on the government, people who see themselves as victims, who believe they are entitled to get government money, this is not
what you want to do, because are you talking to, of course, veterans, senior citizens and people who pay payroll taxes and so it's exactly the opposite message from the one you want to convey, particularly if you are an independent voter who hasn't quite made up your mind yet. >> john king, good to have you on the show. john mccain, he speaks out first time about the romney tape, my interview, next. up. a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim.
tonight more of my conversation with john mccain. it is safe to say, when you are talking to the last guy to run against barack obama and the big story is how well or badly that the current guy is running his campaign there is plenty to act. governor romney, have you seen the secret tape made of him talking to donors what do you make of the? critics say, look, he is dismissing, and 47% of the country.
and many elderly veterans, who might actually vote for mitt romney, and he is saying that he is discounting them. >> first of all, i didn't see all of his remarks in its entirety, but certainly you -- you assume and know that mitt romney is not -- not interested in receiving the -- the support and votes of any american, and he is seeking them actively and he wants the vote of every american. i think what his concern is, and it's the concern of a lot of us, it's the rise of the economy, who americans who have to rely on subsistence to basically stay alive and live decent lives, so it is the obama economic policies that have caused this problem, and he wants to go to having business create jobs, rather than than government subsistence and government creating jobs. >> do you agree that 47% of the
people view themselves as victims, they don't want to take responsibility for their lives? >> i don't think that's what he meant anymore than barack obama meant when he said that people cling to guns and bibles. there are things that people say -- millions of statements every day. i don't remember when i say that the fundamentals of our economy are strong, even though we're in a fiscal crisis. oh, my god! i'm confident mitt romney cares about every american and is concerned about the growth of the welfare state. many of us are. >> how concerned are you about the romney campaign? peggy noonan recently made a comment that's getting a lot of attention. and she said that -- a withering critique of romney's campaign. his entire candidacy. you didn't like being second guessed. she called on him to be more like reagan, called him too
fatalistic. she called for a republican intervention, saying his campaign is incompetent. do you agree with that? >> i never saw peggy noonan's name on the ballot. but the fact is, campaigns have ups and downs. there is a lot of back and forth. i might remind you in 2007, i was given up for dead politically. no one that could get the nomination. i couldn't tell you the number of critics and second guessers that i had, and they were astonished. when we came back from the dead. you will always have those people when a campaign hits a bump in the road who will be quick to jump on it, but frankly i'm not sure republicans help republicans by making these kinds of comments to be honest with you. >> the newest line of attack should sound familiar for you. you talked about senator obama on redistributing wealth.
the redistributionist in chief. the message didn't take off then. could it work for mitt romney now? >> i think we get back really, anderson, to jobs and the economy, jobs and the economy, jobs and the economy. and what we want to do is ask people if there are better off than they were four years ago, but also we want to ask them, do you think you are going to be better off four years from now? a lot of these issues are -- are important to certain segments like i'm glad and i believe you may be that foreign policy is finally emerged as an issue to be discussed in this campaign. it really will come down to jobs and the economy. >> senator mccain, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks for having me on. a lot more we're following tonight. we have a 360 bulletin. 14 employees of the atf and justice department are cited for possible disciplinary action for the role in the botched fast and furious gun trafficking
operation in mexico. that's the recommendation and the justice department's inspector general's report released today. though two of those employees have now resigned. the report also found attorney general eric holder had no knowledge of the operation until 2011, when a u.s. border agent was killed with one of the guns. chicago public school students returned to the classroom today after the teacherteach ers ju union voted to suspend t strikes. more than 300 american airlines flights have been canceled due to a sickout. and a historic flight across the south. "endeavour" bids farewell to kennedy space center and begins a three-day journey to l.a. with a piggyback ride from a 747. it will dip to 1,500 feet, offering great views to spectators on the grown. it will go on display at the
california science museum. some people -- so cool. and people are really emotional. >> yeah, i there was for the last one and the first time i had seen it launched. just extraordinary. so blessed to have seen it. actually launching. just the sound. >> you're so lucky. >> i am lucky. >> yeah, you are. >> and i'm lucky i work with up. >> oh! coming up, ammanda knox's ex-boyfriend speaks out. he spent six months in solitary confinement before they won their appeal and finally released last year. rafael sol he e solecito, my con with him ahead. all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm going b-i-g. [ male announcer ] good choice business pro. good choice.
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ex-boyfriend and co-defendant, talking about the case making headlines around the world. knox, the american student convicted in the stabbing death of her roommate italy in 2009. and roof yell solecito, who just started dating amanda knox was convicted of the murder. his time in prison included six months in solitary done finement. and he knox were set free last week on appeal. is he out with a new membraoirm. book called "honor bound." i spoke to him earlier. when you are first called to the police, you went with an attorney. everyone else called in went with an attorney. did you not realize you might be a suspect? >> no. no one told us we were suspected. at that time, we were complet y completely -- we didn't know anything. i realized that -- too late. i mean, i was just in the last
questioning and after two hours and three, they were so aggressive. and so overwhelming with me, i started to realize that something was really bad and wrong. but it was too late. >> one of the things when amanda was questioned by police, she ended up kind of saying things which kind of imclaitted her and implicated you. made it sound as if she had been there when meredith kercher had been killed. explain to someone who hasn't been through an interrogation how that can happen? >> there maybe ten investigators, really aggressive, and push you. saying you are a liar, saying just to me you are constituted pid. you are covering this girl. she will be back in seattle and you will never see her again.
you fell in love with a whore. and they were aggressive. and this is the thing. it lasts almost ten hours, and after you are exhausted and you don't sleep, they threaten you, saying you will be in jail the rest of your life, never see your parents again. and you give them whatever you want. >> when you were found guilty, did you really think, this is it. was there a moment where you thought the appeals aren't going to work, i will spend the rest of my life in jail? >> no. i was almost hopeless. but i would never say nothing will work. i also had the hope that just -- i just was telling the truth.
after me and said i have nothing. i have lost everything, truth is more important than my life now, because in any way, my life is not worth living without the truth. >> and that's why you wanted to write this book. meredith koeercher's family was against a book many but why was it important to you? to make people understand, the people that fold the case, make people realize and understand the truth. >> we have a digital dashboard question from a person on facebook, a person named terry. they want to know how much contact you had with amanda's roommate? did you know her well? see her much? >> not so much. we just dated for eight days,
nine days. >> that's one of the things are surprised about. they kind of assume you had been together a long time. this great love affair. you had only been together for eight or nine days with amanda. >> yes it's surprising. seems to be crazy, but it is. >> you are still in touch with amanda? >> yes. we skyped yesterday, in fact. >> what is that connection, that conversation like? you been through something that nobody else can imagine? >> we talk about family, about relationships with friends, about movies, books, music, cds, anything. like friends. we are very good friends, now almost -- we're almost brother and sister. we passed through a lot
together. >> she is seeing somebody else. are you not involved romantically? >> no. >> prosecutors want to try to overturn the verdict. are you concerned about that? >> i will do -- in any way, i will defend myself to the end. >> rafael, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> the book "honor bound." another magazine has published topless photos of the princess topless sun bathing. that ahead. mid grade dark roast forest fresh full tank brain freeze cake donettes rolling hot dogs g of ice anti-freeze wash and dry diesel self-serve fix a flat jumper cables 5% cashback signup for 5% cashback at gas stations through september. it pays to discover.
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getting a lot of exposure, despite legal action. now a swedish celebrity gossip magazine has published the photos, and its sister publication in denmark plans to do the same in week's end. a location scout shot this amazing video in australia filming a small fire when the tornado touched down on the blaze. anderson. >> all right, thanks. a little kid named easton, losing his first tooth on the first day of first grade. we've all been there. his parents tied dental no, sfls parents will do, and take a look. on your mark, get set, go. >> i saw it. >> okay. that's kind of gross. >> what? you didn't do that kind of stuff? >> no, not in england. >> what is it? >> the tooth fell out. >> are you serious?
>> look. it's okay. let me look. smile. >> did you not do that kind of stuff? >> no, i didn't tie my tooth -- no, nothing to doorknobs or motorized cars. no. >> you lived a sheltered childhood. >> i did. that's why i'm so delicate now. >> it was great, tying the doorknob, slamming the door, playing with the tooth until it comes out. we have to go. >> good-bye. coming up, the competition is fierce at the goldfish beauty pageant. ridiculist is next. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future.
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time for the "ridiculist." we'd like to introduce you to the concept of the goldfish beauty pageant. not kidding. this is a real thing. the goldfish championship drew 3,000 fish from 14 different countries. it's a giant warehouse full of bish bowls. the most important part is the not floating belly up to the top of the bowl part. but it's quite a meticulous judging process. if you don't believe me, ask the guy with the most esoteric job title ever, goldfish beauty pageant judge. >> translator: we judge goldfish by five criteria. breed, body shape, swimming gesture, color, very important and overall impression. >> the all important pageant criteria of body shape. it's high time goldfish developed body image issues like everything else. they have been getting by on
personality far too long. some have been letting themselves go. take a look at this pageant fish. it weighs almost four pounds. a in the 40 or 50 years he's been raising goldfish, and that's one way to spend your time, the biggest one he's ever seen. there are, of course, a few problems inherent to the goldfish beauty pageant. obvious ones, no good way to keep tiarras on, high heels present a challenge, the main problem, no interview portion. and as we all remember from the 2007 ms. teen usa pageant, oh, yeah, i'll show that again. the interview portion is when the really amazing and wonderful stuff happened. >> some people out there in our nation don't have maps, and i believe that education in south africa and the iraq, everywhere such as, and i believe that they should -- our education over here in the u.s. sld