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parts of the great barrier reef, an island in the philippines and a crater off the coast of maui, hawaii. the photographs were taken with a tablet operated underwater camera. only two of those in the world. the photographer swam about two miles an hour, snapped these 360-degree panoramic photos every three seconds. that's pretty cool. i'm suzanne malveaux, this hour we're focusing on politician. in the swing state of virginia, we'll dive into the voter i.d. laws being debated in several states. why florida is back in the news for purging voter rolls. 40 days to go up till the presidential race. spotlight on virginia. both president obama, mitt romney campaigning there over the last hour, duelling campaign events. romney held a veterans for
romney event in springfield, talking about the need to keep america's military strong. >> i happen to subscribe to ronald reagan's maxim that peace comes through strength. i want to have a military that so strong no one wants to test it. [ applause ] and there's a long-term threat to our military capability, and to our national security, and it relates to something that fuels and builds our military. and that's our economy. you have to have a strong economy. >> president obama was rallying supporters in virginia beach. that was a couple minutes ago. he talked about creating opportunities for everybody. >> we don't believe anybody is entitled to success in this country. we don't believe government should help folks who aren't willing to try to help themselves. but we do believe in something
called opportunity. we do believe in a country where hard work pays off, where responsibility is rewarded, where everyone gets a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share and everybody plays by the same rules. we believe in america where no matter what you look like, no matter who you are, no matter where you come from, no matter who you love, you can make it if you try. [ cheers and applause ] that's the country i believe in. jim acosta is covering the romney campaign. jim, one of the interesting things back in 2008 in covering president obama, you knew that there was a sense that he could possibly win when people started showing up in virginia. i mean that was really the turning point. they thought perhaps we have this thing because we've got folks out in virginia. that was making history. that had not happened, a democrat getting that state since 1964. lyndon johnson. you know have an opportunity, the president, i think to do it
again. how does the romney campaign respond to that? >> reporter: that's right. if president obama were to win the state of virginia because no democrat had won it since lyndon johnson in 1964, he would be the first democrat to do it twice in a generation. so obviously it is a big challenge for the president to try to win this critical battleground state one more time. that's why mitt romney is in the state today trying to take it away from him. this state, let's be honest about this, is very critical in terms of putting together the electoral map that the romney campaign needs to win this election. and it was no surprise to see both of these campaigns going back and forth over issues of national defense. mitt romney was here just about an hour ago talking about this and talking about those looming defense budget cuts that are coming as part of that fiscal cliff that we all have been talking about coming up at the end of the year. mitt romney said he would make sure that those cuts are not put into place where, if he becomes president, we'll reverse those
cuts once he gets into the oval office. down in virginia beach, almost as soon as mitt romney ended his speech, president obama started his. he had virginia smat tore jim webb introducing him, the former navy secretary. president obama pulling out his big guns down there, and it's all about these military defense issues because, susan, that is a huge industry in this state. those jobs are very important, very critical in this state. it's not a surprise to see both campaigns going after those voters. >> we know they seer going after the veterans. is there any difference in strategy between these twho candidates when it comes to dealing with veterans? >> reporter: i don't think so. i think that both campaigns realize that veterans, a lot of them are senior citizens and senior citizens vote. you heard mitt romney trying to tie national security issues to that new economic data that came out today. the gdp was revised downward as we have been recording in the second quarter from 1.7% to
1.3%. mitt romney said take a look at gdp numbers over in china and russia, the united states is falling behind those countries. he said that the united states needs to be doing better than europe. that's one of his big go-to lines. europe is not working for europe. it isn't going to work here in the united states. so these two campaigns are going to be going at it over the economy. we heard president obama throw out a very attack line talking about the mother jones video that came out. he said in front of that crowd, he said when i look out at this crowd i don't see a lot of victims, referring to what mitt romney said in that hidden camera video. they're talking about defense stuff. but the economy looming over everything else. >> thank you, jim. appreciate it as always. president obama and mitt romney face to face. first presidential debate wednesday night. watch it live, 7:00 eastern or cnn.com. also another huge story that
has everybody talking. no kidding. the nfl and its refs. right now nfl commissioner roger goodell is taking questions at a presser in new york. let's see what he's got to say. >> -- and on their side why, and if there was a problem with full-time and the backup crews, what was their issue with that? >> a couple things. any time you're transitioning from one benefit pension program to another, it's difficult. it's difficult for the people being impacted by that. in this case the officials. you have to understand that. i think that's why we came up with a compromise that makes sense. we would do it over a five-year period and replace it with a defined contribution program which is what the owners were proposing from the beginning. and defined benefit programs, they're out of date. they don't exist in the industry going forward.
i think it was important to end that and to move into the defined contribution program. that was done successfully. on the other issues, i think the officials just want to make sure it was done right. and we wanted to make sure it was done right. we'll work together to make sure it's right. i think that's the best part about an eight-year agreement, that we can work together to make officiating better. >> is there any concern with the refs being out of shape? >> no. they were very anxious to get back on the field. we talked about that extensively. i know how much pride they have in what they do and how much they do to prepare themselves. i'm certain they're in shape. that made that point, that they were all in shape and ready to go and anxious. when we reached a basic agreement around 8:00 last night, the focus turned to how fast can we get the officials back on the field. it certainly was a priority for me to have all of the games
officiated with the regular officials starting tonight. and they worked hard to do that. i salute gene and his crew for stepping up and saying let's get ready. >> all right. so you were listening to the nfl commissioner there. two sides have reached a tentative labor deal just in time for tonight's football game. the ref union still has to ratify it. people in social media, it's blowing up. buffalo bills wide receiver david nelson tweeted, great news about the refs being back, now the focus can go back to being about the coachers and players. josh cribbs tweeted, i never thought i would be excited for the refs to come back to work. but it's about time. it was definite live necessary. of course, country star tim mcgraw weighed in saying, i wasn't going to say anything, but it will be good to see the refs back on the field sunday, a game late for the pack. jason outside the headquarters
in new york. a lot of happy folks, jason. you had a chance to talk with the nfl commissioner. what did we learn today about how this came about and moving forward now what this means for the games? >> reporter: i was on a conference call with the commissioner. he talked a lot about the negotiations, suzanne. he said they were intensive. he said it was a lot of hard work that took place over the past few days. he said one of his primary concerns was to get some sort of long-term plan that we put into place. he did, in fact, get that with this eight-year deal that was worked out. he said obviously everybody had to go through a lot of pain in the short term. he said, quote, in the long term better for everyone. he said it was sorry the fans had to go through the pain in the short term. of course, suzanne, he also talked a little bit about that controversial game on monday. that is the game that was the catalyst many are saying for the deal that was eventually reached. he said, look, life isn't perfect.
he said, quote, neither is officiating. he said, unfortunately, mistakes were made. clearly a mistake made in the green bay-seatal game. he stood by the replacement players and said he was looking forward to everyone getting back on the field. the referee association saying they're looking forward to getting back on the field and, of course, the fans are looking forward to it as well. >> just glad the refs are back. i'm a big football fan, and i didn't like what was happening with the game. >> the refs are no good. they had rejects from the lingerie league. that's all i saw. i guess there should be enough money to pay the refs, right? get some good refs? it can't be that expensive. give them what they want and play football i suppose, right? >> the refs looked challenged and over welled. it's great to see we'll have the real refs back on the field. i'm excited. i think it means there's a little bit of integrity back in the game. >> reporter: now, of course, the commissioner lifted that
temporary block of having the referees back on the field. that will be lifted so they can be back out there tonight for the game with the ravens verses the browns. they're expected to -- the referees association expected to ratify the agreement friday or possibly on saturday. a lot of happy people will be showing up at that stadium tonight in baltimore, suzanne. >> i guess we've got to live with the results from the past. life ain't perfect, it's not fair. we have to live with it and move on. we'll try. all right, jason, thank you. courting the jewish vote. >> the public appearance is that the united states will be behind israel if something happens. z i'd rather the united states be next to israel. >> these people are so pumped about politics, they broke their religious fast to talk about religion. people are dialing back on clothes, movies and good food just so they can have a cell
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on yom kippur, the holiest day from the jewish community, we were hearing from iran's president, mahmoud ahmadinejad. we're awaiting as well to hear from the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu. a lot of folks are talking about this in the political campaign, political climate, wondering who would be the best candidate moving forward. i want to talk about all that with poppy harlow. you had a chance to sit down with jewish voters in new jersey who actually were breaking the ceremony, religious ceremony to speak to you on that hole by day about their feelings about this. what was the overwhelming concern here. >> reporter: we did. it was a fast nighting night. we went to two family's homes in new jersey. some that support president obama, others clearly aligned with mitt romney. a lot comes down to the issue of the red line and where the u.s. should draw a red line when it
comes to iran's nuclear program. that was issue number one for them. it certainly matters a lot in their votes. i want to play some sound from the home of carol burau who had a lot of people over for the breakfast last night, talking about the red line and where the public criticism from benjamin netanyahu towards the u.s. president is helpful and if president obama is responding correctly to the iran threat. take a listen. >> i think he's made it hard for the united states to keep israel with this special ally status that it's had. the united states can't be pushed around by anyone. i just think that obama is being very rational and reasonable to a bully right now. >> is the president taking the iran threat seriously right now or does netanyahu have a point? >> is it really possible that
the president won't take a nuclear threat from any nation seriously? >> he's built an international coalition, succeeded in building an embargo against iran that's unprecedented. he's moved the positions of iran way further than it was when he came into office. we've got to give him some credit. >> susan, they think the president is right in line with israel, being a good friend to israel. mitt romney has chosen very tough words when it comes to the u.s. stance on israel and iran saying things like, quote, president has thrown allies like israel under the bus. he also said it was a mistake by president obama not to meet with benjamin netanyahu in new york and washington. here is the other side. these are staunch romney supporters also breaking their fast last night to talk to us. >> netanyahu is right -- he has a problem on his hands of major, major proportions and he needs
some help. i think president obama has not given him any help. >> michael, you're nodding. >> i agree. i think the possibility of iran developing nuclear weapons capability is a serious threat not just to israel, not just to the other middle eastern countries, to europe, to the united states. i think we have a serious responsibility to do all we can to stop that from happening. >> what response would you like to see from president obama now? >> i think' ear past the time for talking. i think we're past the time of saying we'll stop them, sanctions, all of that stuff. i'm very sorry to say, but i think it's time for something -- for action to be done. >> suzanne, that family is a minority in this country. you know the numbers, 78% of jewish voters in 2008 voted for president obama. what the latest poll is showing,
august 1st through september 16th, 70% are backing the president, 20% for romney. this certainly dividing the jewish vote. >> it's just fascinating, poppy, to hear folks talk about it, debate about it. clearly both sides very passionate about this, the fact that they even spoke to you during the holy day, that is quite amazing. thank you very much. appreciate your reporting. so do you have an i.d.? 31 states have laws that require voters to show them at the polls. minority votes say their votes may not count. people cleaning up one of the pretty spots on the planet, recycling the trash and giving a place for people to live. this is an echo brick. this is the container. this is where you stuff all the wrappers, all the plastic bags,
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a plan to kick some people off the voter roles. right mao the state is arguing over the validity of 198 voters, in a state with a population of almost 19 million. it started back in may when the state came out with a list of 180,000 people officials claimed could be illegal voters. later that month the justice department stopped any voter role purge. they said it would be a violation of the voting rights
act. in june, florida officials said they would keep searching for illegal registered voters. several advocacy groups sued saying the purge discriminates against minorities. the state settled the lawsuit in december saying most of the people on the suspect list are legit. yesterday florida released another list identifying 198 potential illegal voters. this is steve bosca from the tampa bay times. steve, it's amazing when you think about it. talking about 198 people. you've been covering this controversy in the very beginning. it started off 180,000 folks. how do you get from that number to 198? >> it's taken all this time for the state of florida to feel a sense of confidence in the data they've got. the state filed a lawsuit against the obama administration to get access to the homeland security database which is considered the best information available on citizenship. but this pro skes is just beginning and it's not going well already because i'm talking
to county election supervisors today who are upset t names they got last night or the names they're getting include people who have already been removed from the roles last spring. >> why does it matter? 198 names seem to be a small number to have this political fight continue. >> an extremely small number. it's largely because the governor here, rick scott, has made this a very important priority. he has said that a vote by a noncitizen should not die lut the vote of a legitimate voter. this issue polls very well. people when asked about this are adamant. they don't think noncitizens should be voting, but in reality very few noncitizens have ever voted in a florida election from the data from what we can see. >> clearly this has a political impact here as well. the report that the new list essentially was dominated with hispanic names and key political counties like dade, broward, palm beach. is there any evidence that
there's an effort to intimidate hispanic voters from turning out on election day? >> well, if it's an effort to intimidate hispanic voters, it's not going well. it is predominantly hispanic. about one in five floridans is hispanic. the state insists they've made no geographic or demographic targeting here of any kind. but i'd be surprised if there wasn't a lawsuit here in the days ahead. we're now less than six weeks before a presidential election. there's a tremendous amount at stake here. hispanic voters are very important in any election in florida. >> the other thing, too, the majority of those who were on these roles illegally said they didn't even realize it. how did that happen? >> well, what happened is, on a case-by-case basis, you have to look at the factors. from what we can tell, in a lot of these cases, an immigrant who went and got a driver's license may have been asked in the
driver's license office, hey, as long as you're here, do you want to register to vote. they filled it out maybe not thinking about the fact that you're signing that form under penalty of personalry that you're a united states citizen. you don't need to be a u.s. citizen to get a license in florida, but you do to vote in florida. that's the difference. >> i guess this is all caught up in all the politics of this. the governor, rick scott, pushing ahead with this purge despite the fact that you had a settlement with the state of florida reached already with the advocacy groups. does he essentially think this is beneficial to him to keep this as long as it's going to go? >> i think his last statement on the subject was very unequivocal which is we want honest, fair elections in florida and no noncitizen should be voting. here is the dilemma here. the election in florida is not november 6th. the election is already under way here. the election supervisors will mail out hundreds of thousands, if not millions of absentee ballots early next week. they're focusing on running an
election properly, ever since the 2000 recount and debacle that followed the hanging chads. election supervisors here have felt very conspicuous, they want to run the elections right. some supervisors think this is a distraction at the last minute they don't need. >> we'll be following florida very closely. florida one of the battleground states. it will make a difference. believe it or not, 198 people could make a difference. we'll have more after the break. i'm barack obama and i approve this message. romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision...
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i.d. laws. the battle over minorities and voting rights is playing out across the country. you have community activisactiv launching voter registration laws in response to the tough laws. here is raphael romo. >> reporter: for the first time in a decade, john hazelwood is planning to exercise his right to vote. he sat down at a local voter registration center and quickly filled out the form. >> for the last ten years i've been on the road, working with a carnival unit, and it's not that easy to get away from the lots. >> reporter: as a worker at a traveling carnival, he represents a portion of the electorate often unable to vote in the united states, a group that also includes the homeless. >> we see people who are frustrated and hopeless and they feel they don't matter. we spent a lot of time talking with them about tissues that really impact their lives very groups say in recent years state
laws have made it more difficult for voters to cast a ballot, especially for minorities and the hopeless. >> it is the most important election in the modern history of this country. we've got civil rights on the line. we've got human rights on the line. >> reporter: 31 states currently have laws in place that will require voters to show i.d. at the polls in november. voting rights activeists say state laws are disproportionately targeting minorities saying these laws have proven to be costly, ineffective and unnecessary. >> proponents say they prevent fraud at the voting booth. but activists know these laws are also likely to lead to reduced voter turnout. in addition a recent study found nearly half of the nation's states have new voting measures that could stop some latinos from heading to the polls in november. some states are using inaccurate or outdated citizenship lists.
in some cases rerecently naturalized citizens are purged from those lists. >> what we do object to is very narrow requirements that place burdens on poor people, on the elderly, on people of color or ethnic groups that make it harder for them to vote. >> reporter: for john hazelwood, his decision to register vote is driven by a simple motivation. >> i'm in the middle of trying to re-establish my i.d. and get employment. >> reporter: and make his voice heard as a voter at the same time. >> raphael romo is joining us. fascinating story. folks are trying to deal with this in two different ways. on the one hand, dealing with it in the courts, on the other hand taking it to the streets trying to register people to vote. is there a concern that you might try to register and you can't, you don't have the proper i.d. or they'll reject you? >> what the activist ts are telling me is, listen, the
united states of america doesn't have a democracy crisis. it's not like we have widespread fraud. it seems like some states are reacting as if we did. by doing so, the unintended consequence is that they're in the process of leaving a whole lot of people in a position where it's more difficult, although not the impossible to vote. that group includes the homeless, minorities, people who are disadvantaged economically. they say it's really not necessary to go to that extreme. >> are they confident -- are people confident they can get people these proper i.d.s to vote, even that it's really tough, they have enough people out tlrks volunteers to do what they need to get done? >> that's exactly what they're doing right now. i was able to be at voter registration centers where they're making their best effort to try to get people there. they're also going to the neighborhoods, also going to different cities to try to make this work for everybody. >> all right, raphael, good to
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do you cringe when you get your cell phone bill every month? alison kosik joining us from the new york stock exchange. alison, how much of this in the family budget? >> i'm so with you with this. just the smart phone itself is expensive. then you get those eye-popping bills every month. one government figure estimates the average household shelled out more than $1200 on phone services. that also includes land lines. we know people are paying less for land lines, many people don't have them. it's not hard to figure out where the increase is coming from. if you want to break it down
even more, $116 more a year on phone services compared to 2007. j.d. powers says the average person's cell phone bill is about $71 a month. but if you're a family of four and you all have smart phones, that total can easily top $200. what's happening here, suzanne, over the past few years because we're budgeting for our smart phones, we're spending less on dining out, on clothing and entertainment because our phones mean everything to us. >> so our phone bills are blowing up and we're saving money on going out and actually seeing people. >> yes. >> how do you lower the phone bill? is there any way to cut that down a little bit? >> some of our colleagues at money magazine have a few ideas. they say start with the kids, the biggest abusers of the cell phone plans. they say if they're going over on their data, minutes or text ts, you can add parental controls. your carrier may charge you $5 for the controls. but that may be worth it considering how much they go
over. you can set up text alerts that give you a heads up if your child is getting close to the limit. that way you know and can crack the whip yourself. you should look at your own data use and see how to cut corners there. >> live coverage of the united nations. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu speaking right now. let's listen in. >> thank you very much, mr. president. it's a pleasure to see the general assembly presided by the ambassador from israel. it's good to see all of you distinguished delegates. ladies and gentlemen, 3,000 years ago king david reigned over the jewish state in our eternal capital, jerusalem. i say that to all those who
proclaim that the jewish state has no roots in our region. and that it will soon disappear. throughout our history, the jewish people have over come all the tyrants who have sought our destruction. it's their ideologies that have been discarded by history. the people of israel live on. we say in hebrew. [ speaking foreign language ] and the jewish state will live forever. the jewish people have lived in the land of israel for thousands of years. even after most of our people were exiled from it, jews
continue to live in the land of israel throughout the ages. and the masses of our people never gave up the dream of returning to our ancient homeland. defying the laws of history we did just that. we gathered the exiles, we stored our independence and rebuilt our national life. the jewish people have come home. we will never be uprooted again. [ applause ] yesterday was yom kippur, the holiest day of the jewish year. every year for over three millenia, we have come together on this day of reflection and atonement.
we take stock of our past, we pray for our future. we remember, we remember the sorrows of our persecution. we remember the great travails of our grace dispersion. we mourn the external nation of a third of our people, 6 million, in the holocaust. but at the end of yom kippur, we celebrate. we celebrate the rebirth of israel. we celebrate the heroism of our young men and women who have defended us. we celebrate the marvel of the flourishing modern jewish state.
in israel we walk the same paths tread by our patriarchs, abraham, isaac and jacob, but we blaze new trails in science, technology, medicine, agriculture. in israel the past and the future find common ground. unfortunately, that's not the case in many other countries. for today a great battle is being waged between the modern and the medieval. the forces of modernity seek a bright future in which the rights of all are protected, in which an ever-expanding digital library is available in the palm of every child in which every
life in sacred. the forces of medievalism seek a world in which women and minorities are subjugated, in which knowledge is suppressed and in which not life, but death is glorified. these forces clash around the globe, but nowhere more starkly than in the middle east. israel stands proudly with the forces of modernity. we protect the rights of all our citizens, men and women, jews and arabs, muslims and christians all are equal before the law. israel is also making the world a better place. our scientists win noble prices. our know-how is in every cell phone and computer you're using. we prevent hunger by irrigating arid lands in africa and asia.
recently i was deeply moved when i visited techneon, one ouf our technological institutes and i saw a man paralyzed from the waist down climb up a flight of stairs fairly easily with the aid of an israeli infengs. when disaster strikes anywhere in the world, in haiti, japan, india, turkey, indonesia and elsewhere, israeli doctors are among the first on the scene performing lifesaving surgeries. in the past year i lost both my father and my father-in-law. in the same hospital wards where they were treated, israeli
doctors were treating palestinian arabs. in fact, every year thousands, thousands of arabs from the palestinian territories and arabs from throughout the middle east come to israeli to be treated in israeli hospitals by israeli doctors. i know you're not going to hear that from speeches around this podium, but that's the truth. it's important that you're aware of this truth. it's because israel cherishes life that israel cherishes peace and seeks peace. we seek to preserve our historic ties and our historic peace treaties with egypt and jordan. we seek to forge a durable peace with the palestinian. president abbas just spoke here. i say to him and i say to you we won't solve our conflict with
libalist speeches at the u.n. we won't solve it with unilateral declarations of statehood. we have to sit together, negotiate together and reach a mutual compromise in which a demille tar rised palestinian state recognizes the one and only jewish state. [ applause ] israel wants to see a middle east of progress and peace. we want to see the three great religions that sprang forth from our region, judaism, christianity and islam, co-exist in peace and in mutual respect. yet the medieval forces of radical islam whom you just saw
storming the american embassies throughout the middle east, while they oppose this, they seek supremacy overall muslims. they're bent on world conquest. they want to destroy israel, europe, america. they want to extinguish freedom. they want to end the modern world. now, militant islam has many branches. from the rulers of iran with their revolutionary guards to al qaeda terrorists to the radical cells lurking in every part of the globe. but despite their differences, they're all rooted in the same bitter soil of intolerance. that intolerance is directed first to their fellow muslims and then to christians, jews, buddhists, hindus, secular
people. anyone who doesn't submit to their unforgiving creed. they want to drag humanity back to an age of unquestioning dogma, unrelenting conflict. i'm sure of one thing. ultimately, they will fail. ultimately, light will penetrate the darkness. we've seen that happen before. some 500 years ago the printing press helped pry a cloistered europe out of a dark age and eventually ignorance gave way to enlightenment. so, too, a cloistered middle east will eventually yield to the irresistible power of technology and when this happens, our region will be guided not by fanaticism and conspiracy, but by reason and
curiosity. i think the relevant question is this. it's not whether this fanaticism will be defeated. it's how many lives will be lost before it's defeated? we have seen that happen before, too. some 70 years ago the world saw another fanatic ideology bent on world conquest. it went down in flames. but not before it took millions of people with it. those who opposed that fanaticism waited too long to act. in the end they triumphed but at a horrific cost. my friends, we cannot let that happen again. you see, at stake is not nearly the future of my country.
at stake is the future of the world and nothing could imperil our common future more than the arming of iran with nuclear weapons. to understand what the world would be like with a nuclear armed iran, just imagine the world with a nuclear armed al qaeda. now, it makes little difference whether these lethal weapons are in the hands of the world's most dangerous terrorist regime or the world's most dangerous terrorist organization. they're both fired by the same hatred. they're both driven by the same lust for violence. just look at what the iranian regime has done up until now without nuclear weapons. in 2009, they brutally put down the protest, mass protest for democracy in their own country.
today, their henchmen are participating in the slaughter of tens of thousands of syrian civilians including thousands of children. directly participating in this murder. the killing of american soldiers in iraq and continue to do so in afghanistan. and before that, iranian proxies killed hundreds of american troops in beirut and in saudi arabia. they've turned lebanon and gaza in to terrorist strongholds embedding nearly 100,000 missiles and rockets in civilian areas. thousands of these rockets and missiles, already been fired at israeli communities by their terrorist proxies. in the last year, they've spread their international terror networks to two dozen countries across five continents. from india and thailand to kenya
and bulgaria. they plotted to blow up a restaurant a few blocks from the white house in order to kill a diplomat. and of course, iran's rulers repeatedly deny the holocaust. and call for israel's destruction almost on a daily basis as they did again this week from the united nations. so, i ask you, given this record of iranian aggression without nuclear weapons, just imagine iranian aggression with nuclear weapons. imagine their long-range missiles tipped with nuclear weap warheads. their terror networks armed with atomic bombs. whom among you would feel safe in the middle east?
who'd be safe in europe? who'd be safe in america? who'd be safe anywhere? now, there are those who believe that a nuclear armed iran can be deterred like the soviet union. that's a very dangerous assumption. militant jihadists are not secular. militant jihadists behave very differently from secular marxists. there were no soviet suicide bombers. yet, iran produces hordes of them. deterrence worked with the soviets because every time the soviets faced a choice between their ideology and their survival, they chose their survival. but deterrence may not work with
the iranians once they get nuclear weapons. there's a great scholar of the middle east, professor bernard lewis who put it best. he said that for the ayatollahs of iran, mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent. it's an assurance. they believe that a holy man will reappear in the wake of a devastating holy war thereby ensuring that their brand of radical islam will rule the earth. now, that's not just what they believe. that's what is actually guiding their policies and their actions. just listen to ayatollah who said, i quote, the use of even one nuclear bomb inside israel will destroy everything. however, it would only harm the islamic world. he said, it is not irrational to
contemplate such an eventuality. not irrational. that's coming from one of the so-called moderates of iran. shockingly, some people have begun to pedal the absurd notion that a nuclear armed iran would actually stabilize the middle east. yeah, right. that's like saying a nuclear armed al qaeda would usher in an era of universal peace. ladies and gentlemen, i've been speaking about the need to prevent iran from developing nuclear weapons for over 15 years. i spoke about it in my first term in office as prime minister. and then i spoke about it when i left office. i spoke about it when it was
fashionable and i spoke about it when it wasn't fashionable. i speak about it now because the hour is getting late. very late. i speak about it now because the iranian nuclear calendar doesn't take time out for anyone or for anything. i speak about it now because when it comes to the survival of my country, it's not only my right to speak, it's my duty to speak. [ applause ] and i believe that this is the duty of every responsible leader who wants to preserve world peace. for nearly a decade, the international community tried to stop the iranian nuclear program with diplomacy. well, that hasn't worked.
iran uses diplomatic negotiations as a means to boy time to advance its nuclear program. for over seven years, for over seven years the international community has tried sanctions with iran. under the leadership of president obama, the international community has passed some of the strongest sanctions to date. i want to thank the government's representative here that have joined in this effort. it's had an effect. oil exports have been curbed. and the iranian economy has been hit hard. it's had an effect on the economy but we must face the truth. sanctions have not stopped iran's nuclear program either. according to the international atomic energy agency, during the last year alone iran has doubled the number of centrafues.
so at this late hour, there's only one way to peacefully prevent iran from getting atomic bombs. and that's by placing a clear red line on iran's nuclear weapons program. [ applause ] red lines don't lead to war. red lines prevent war. just look at nato's charter. it made clear that an attack on one member country would be considered an attack on all. and nato's red line helped keep the peace in europe for nearly half a century. president kennedy said a red line in the cuban missile
crisis. that also prevented war and helped preserve the peace for decades. in fact, it's the failure to place red lines that's often invited aggression. if the western powers had drawn clear red lines in the 1930s i believe they would have stopped nazi aggression and world war ii might have been avoided. in 1990, if saddam hussein had been clearly told that his conquest of kuwait would cross a red line, the first gulf war might have been avoided. clear red lines have also worked with iran. earlier this year, iran threatened to close the straits of hormuz. the united states drew a clear red line and iran backed off. now, red lines could be drawn in different parts of iran's
nuclear weapons program. but to be credible, a red line must be drawn first and foremost in one vital part of their program. on iran's efforts to enrich uranium. now, let me explain why. basically, any bomb consists of explosive material and a mechanism to ignite it. the simplest example is gun powder and a fuse. that is, you light the fuse. and you set off the gun powder. in the case of iran's plans to build a nuclear weapon, the gun powder was enriched uranium. the fuse is a nuclear detonator. for iran, amassing enough enriched uranium is far more difficult than producing the nuclear fuse. for a country like iran, it
takes many, many years to enrich uranium for a bomb. that requires thousands of centrifuges spinning simultaneously. the plants are visible and they're still vulnerable. in contrast, iran could produce the nuclear detonator, the fuse, in a lot less time, maybe under a year. maybe only a few months. the detonator can be made in a small workshop the size of a classroom. it may be very difficult to find and target that workshop. especially in iran. that's a country that's bigger than france, germany, italy and britain combined.
the same is true for the small facility in which they could assembly a warhead or a nuclear device that could be placed in a container ship. chances are, you won't find that facility either. so in fact, the only way that you can credibly prevent iran from developing a nuclear weapon is to prevent iran from amassing enough enriched uranium for a bomb. so how much enriched uranium do you need for a bomb? and how close is iran to getting it? well, let me show you. i brought a diagram for you. here's a diagram. this is a bomb. this is a fuse. in the case of iran's nuclear plans to build a bomb, this bomb has to be filled with enough enriched uranium and iran has to
go through three stages. the first stage they have to enrich enough low enriched uranium. the second stage, they have to enrich enough medium enriched rue yan y rue y uranium, and then enough for the first bomb. where's iran? iran's completed the first stage. took them many years. but they completed it and they're 70% of the way there. now they're well in to the second stage. and by next spring at most by next summer at current enrichment rates they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage. from there, it's only a few
months, possibly a few weeks. before they get enough enrich e uranium for the first bomb. ladies and gentlemen, what i've told you now is not based on secret information. it's not based on military intelligence. it's based on the public reports of the international atomic energy agency. anybody can read them. they're online. so if these are the facts, if these are the facts, and they are, where should a red line be drawn? a red line should be drawn right here. before, before iran completes the second stage of nuclear enrichment necessary to make a bomb. before iran gets to a point
where it's a few months away or a few weeks away from amassing enough enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon. now, each day that point is getting closer. and that's why i speak today with such a sense of urgency. and that's why everyone should have a sense of urgency. now, there are some who claim that even if iran completes the enrichment process, even if it crosses that red line that i just drew, our intelligence agencies will know when and where iran will make the fuse, assemble the bomb, and prepare the warhead. look. no one appreciates our intelligence agencies more than the prime minister of israel. all these leading intelligence agencies are superb.
including ours. they foiled many attacks. they've saved many lives. but they're not foolproof. for over two years, our intelligence agencies didn't know that iran was building a huge nuclear enrichment plant under a mountain. do we want to risk the security of the world on the assumption that we would find in time a small workshop? in a country half the size of europe. ladies and gentlemen, the relevant question is not when iran will get the bomb. the relevant question is, at what stage can we no longer stop iran from getting the bomb? the red line must be drawn on iran's nuclear enrichment program because these enrichment facilities are the only nuclear
installations that we can definitely see and credibly target. and i believe that faced with a clear red line iran will back down. and this will give more time for sanctions and diplomacy to convince iran to dismantle its nuclear weapons program altogether. two days ago from this podium president obama reiterated that the threat of a nuclear armed iran cannot be contained. i very much appreciate the president's position as does everyone in my country. we share the goal of stopping iran's nuclear weapons program. this goal unites the people of israel, it unites americans, democrats and republicans alike, and it is shared by important leaders throughout the world. what i have said today will help
ensure that this common goal is achieved. israel is in discussions with the united states over this issue. and i'm confident that we can chart a path forward together. ladies and gentlemen, the clash between modernity and medieval, it's the source of the collective values, the foundations of our national strength. at the same time, the jewish people have always looked toward the future. throughout history, we have been at the forefront of efforts to expand liberty, promote equality and advance human rights. we championed these principles not despite of our traditions but because of them.
we heed the words of the jewish prophets isaiah to pursue justice and cherish life and to pray and to strive for peace. these are the timeless values of my people. and these are the jewish people's greatest gift to m mankind. let us commit ourselves today to defend these values so that we can defend our freedoms and protect our common civilization. thank you. [ applause ] >> that was the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu addressing the united nations general assembly and perhaps in the most clear and specific way we have ever seen with a red magic marker and a diagram outlining the clear red line for
the iran nuclear program. in effect, once that red line is hit and he outlined the three different stages, once they reach that red line, that could lead to military intervention. there is so much to talk about with regard to what we just heard from the israeli leader. i want to bring in jill dougherty who covers international affairs for us. she's live in new york there. let's begin with this is the first time we have seen the prime minister of israel be so specific in terms of a red line and iran. >> yeah. i mean, he literally took out a pen and drew a red line. you can't really get that more specific. and he also defined exactly what he means by that stage, that red line that iran cannot cross. and you could also say that he put a timeline on it. he is saying if they reached the second stage, not the final
stage of enriching uranium, but the second stage that they cannot go beyond that. and he said that they expect that the iranians would reach that stage i think he said in the late spring or summer. that they would complete. so, you're looking at the israeli prime minister essentially saying that something if they continue, something has to happen by spring or at the very latest summer. also, brooke, you know, you have to say that he took on president obama. he mentioned president obama at the end. but all the way through he was saying, some believe that. some believe that you can contain iran. some believe -- that is all really answering what president obama is saying because president obama does not want to draw a red line. >> right. >> so it was quite dramatic, i think. >> when i was taking notes when he was talking specifically about the cuba missile crisis and jfk and clear, then he drew
a red line and went on to say without drawing a clear red line that very much so could lead to war and as you cover the secretary of state hillary clinton stopping short recently of drawing that red line and i immediately, jill, thought he is talking to the white house. >> right. and, you know, i guess if you want the find out what the obama administration thinks, essentially, they think that even if you have all of these preparatory steps, the political decision, the final political decision to create a bomb has not apparently been made by the iranians and so at this point the obama administration would argue you watch them very closely. you do what you can, you inspect. you use intelligence but you don't hit them before that decision is made. before they get to what is called the breakout capacity. it's quite different and you're seeing, you know, the prime minister making that very clear.
>> very clear. as you point out. with that red magic marker. jill dougherty, thank you. i want to bring in richard roth who covers the united nations for us. richard, is this the colin powell moment? is this the case for war against iran? >> well, netanyahu has said things like this but never in such dramatic fashion on the world stage. he's an experienced user of the media. he knows his speech is being televised. we saw the prop there you were talking about with jill dougherty. he is raising the stakes on the u.s. and president obama. i don't think it's a colin powell moment. there was no -- it was not true. i don't know if you're hinting that maybe this is a false call to act with an attack on iran. i think a little soon to tell yet. four rounds of sanctions yet and netanyahu saying say they haven't worked yet. if you could threaten iran with the red lines, three stages
there that he says the iranians are working towards to achieve the first nuclear bomb. iran says they want nuclear research for scientific purposes such as medical i sotopes and providing electricity for their citizens. ahmadinejad didn't talk much about the nuclear program. everyone's talking about the labs, why did they hide inside mountains various facilities? netanyahu talked about the secrecy of the iranian program and israel and the u.s. can chart, though, he said, a common path for thwarting iran's nuclear program. as you know, he and president obama have not had the greatest relations on this. they'll talk by phone tomorrow. >> okay. richard roth for us at the united nations, thank you. just to underline the timetable that the prime minister outlined, he said iran, according to iaea reports, facts as he called it, well in to stage number two out of three
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poppy harlow who is standing by with members of the jewish community in new york but i want to go to sara sidener first in jerusalem. we ran your piece yesterday and for folks who missed it you reported on what could be considered a double standard. israel asking iran to, you know, comply with many expectation, rule, sanction but at the same time is israel complying? >> reporter: well, here's the thing. israel does not have to comply with the iaea because it has refused to sign the nonproliferation treaty and doesn't have to have inspectors in the country. there's one particular facility here that is widely believed to have created nuclear warheads way back in the 1980s when a nuclear technician exposed that place. he worked there. he took pictures, gave information to the "sunday times." they printed it and led analysts to believe there's 200 or so
warheads created in the '80s but nuclear weapons is one thing. israel does not confirm nor deny whether or not it has nuclear weapon weaponry. it also does not threaten countries with annihilation and that's one thing we hear over and over and over again from its leaders. they say we do not confirm or deny the nuclear program and very clear to say we do not say we're going to annihilate another country. that we nothing will be left of another country if we're attacked. so they don't use that kind of a rhetoric. there are people here, though, very small group and growing group of people talking about this kind of double standard and worried because there seems to be a double standard that most people in the region believes that israel has nuclear weapons that that in and itself is a threat. the leadership here says that's hogwash. they're saying, look. we have been threatened over and over and over again and we believe that they will carry out those threats and if they get
nuclear weapons you don't want nuclear weapons in the hands of someone making threats like that against another country. brooke? >> here's the follow-up question to that, sara. in terms of specifics, we heard netanyahu outlining iran's nuclear program stands today and maybe next spring, summer and fall but if and when they hit that red line, as he outlined on the diagram, then what? do we know specifically what that will then trigger? militarily. >> reporter: this is the question. this is the million dollar question. if, indeed, that red line is crossed by iran, what are the consequences? if israel is trying to work with the united states, has been trying to push the united states to come up with what a consequences will be, israel has talked about the fact that everything is still on the table. and everything you can read in to that mean that is a strike is possible. the question is, whether it's a
unilateral strike. there's a new poll put out here this month and asked israelis whether or not they thought it was a good idea if provoked that they would go for a unilateral strike here in israel without the backing of the u.s. 65% of israelis polled said, no. they believe they need the backing of the u.s. i think it's pretty clear the israeli leaders say they need the backing of the u.s. an seeing a lot of talks and tension between the united states and israel. does the united states plan on backing israel if it decides a strike is necessary? >> president obama speaking tuesday in front of the general assembly stressing the u.s. would and i quote do what we must to stop teheran. hasn't ruled out military options but would like to see sanctions and multilateral negotiations continue before anything else happens. sara sidner in jerusalem, i so appreciate it. we have poppy harlow standing by getting reaction of the jewish community in new york. we'll talk to poppy after this quick break.
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and with the u.s. presidential election now 40 days away, how are members of the jewish community, potential voters here, reacting to the prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu and also president obama's response to the pressure of israel coming to iran and the nuclear program? let's go to cnn's poppy harlow live for me in new york. poppy, i know you were at a yom kippur event last night and this is before obviously hearing from the prime minister. >> right. >> but we did have a sense he would be really drawing a line in the sand issuing this clear red line. you talked to these folks. what did they say? >> you know, we went to two different homes last night for the breakfast. two jewish families, friends with very distinct views. first off, start with the romney supporters. they would be applauding i can bet you netanyahu's drawing physically the red line on the bomb today at the u.n. thinking that the u.s. position when it comes to iran's nuclear program
is not strong enough. mitt romney has used really strong language in recent weeks saying things like president obama has thrown allies like israel under the bus and these folks agree. i want you to take a listen to why they oppose the u.s. stance right now saying the u.s. is not drawing a red line where it needs to on iran. >> netanyahu's right. he has a problem on his hands of major, major proportions. and he needs some help. and i think that president obama has not given him any help. >> reporter: michael, you're nodding. >> i agree. i think that the possibility of iran developing nuclear weapons capability is a serious threat, not just to israel, not just to the other middle eastern countries, the europe, to the united states. >> reporter: so what response would you like to see from president obama now? >> i think we're past the time for talking. i think we're past the time of saying we'll stop them. sanctions. all of that stuff.
>> now, on the other side, brooke, the folks in the household that really supports president obama and u.s. policy on iran right now said we have to think past right now and think about long term israeli-u.s. relations and just how important this partnership, this alliance is. so they weighed in to me telling me why they think benjamin netanyahu being so public with his criticism, frankly, of president obama's stance right now is hurting israel. >> i think he's made it hard for the united states to keep israel with this special ally status that it's had because the united states can't be pushed around by anyone. i think obama's being reasonable to the bully right now. >> reporter: does netanyahu have a point? >> is it possible to believe that the american president is not taking a nuclear threat from any nation seriously? >> he's built an international
coalition. he's succeeded in building an embargo against iran that's unprecedented. you know? he's moved, he's moved the position against iran way further than it was when he came in to office. we have got to give him some credit. >> and brooke, when you look at the numbers in the election 40 days away, historically the jewish population votes democratic. when you look at the recent polling of gallup, 70% of jewish vote earls backing president obama. mitt romney is going after the vote criticizing the president for not meeting with benjamin netanyahu and came in a few hours ago, the president will talk to netanyahu on the phone tomorrow. interesting, though, following the speech how much they talk about that red line that we clearly saw, most clearly as you said, today. >> we'll get a readout on that conversation as you point out.
there's been criticism in the time that the president was in new york didn't meet with world leaders, ie, benjamin netanyahu. poppy harlow in new york for me. thank you so much. before nearly 200 world leaders, this what we've been talking prime minister of israel benjamin netanyahu repeats the call of iran to stop the nuclear program. more on that next. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future.
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as we approach the election, tons of interest in new voting restrictions initiated of republicans in two dozen states. republicans say they're stamping out fraud. democrats say the alleged fraud is practically nonexistent and harder to make it harder to vote, folks to vote for a democrat. have you seen this video? we had to get creative, clean it up. pretty good. we found a sliver of it for you. this is sarah silverman. close to 2 million hits in a week. okay. being told we don't have that at the moment. it's funny stuff. but picture i.d., have it with
you -- joining me from ground zero, mark, your elections department in florida performed a sweep of voter rolls and from what you're reporting today they found potentially number i saw 198 names on the rolls of potential noncitizens, 1-9-8. how did they find the potential discrepancies? >> well, they used a federal database to help matsch up names from the florida voter rolls and comparing the two and a starting list of about 200. 198 now and initial previous list about 207. we spot checked of them. we spot checked the list. some noncitizens. a woman in panama city said she'd been voting for years and voted ten times. she didn't know she couldn't vote as a noncitizen and she said she plans to vote again. that's an outlier cases.
there's complicated issues. whether they're citizens or not. on the list of 198, about 36 we found voted in the past. sometimes repeatedly. other times once or twice. >> okay. so -- >> how many of them are noncitizens. 36 so far out of 198. >> mark, i can hear people thinking 198, is that it? >> well, that's a good question. there's a long complicated history this started last year. the state came up with an initial potential wide net of 180,000. they whittled it down to 25,000 and then to 2,700 and then finally federal permission through the immigration database and fed 1,700 names in. out came about 200. potential noncitizens and looks like 36 or 39 have voted or may have voted so right now it's incumbent on the county elections supervisor to go
through the lists and if need be, forward the names on the prosecutors. >> might they face criminal charges? more purging of these rolls? where does this go? >> well, that's a good question. some people probably if it's shown voted and weren't citizens certainly face third-degree felony charges. there's not a lot of purging. the florida elections code, the statutes do have a series of checks and balances that don't allow them to instantly strike you from the rolls. however, it can be made a bit of a pain in the rear or the neck as it were if you're on the list and you say, hey, look, i'm a citizen. you have to go out of the way to prove it or a possibility to show up on election day and cast a provisional ballot and some folks say provisional ballots might not count as much as regular ballots but that's a whole other debate for a whole other time. >> okay, mark. thank you very much. >> thank you. and like magic we now have the clip of sarah silverman.
you may think it's funny or crude. but again, let's roll it. >> you know, a lot of these laws require you to have a state-issued picture i.d. like a driver's license. but more than 21 million americans don't have driver's licenses. >> my veteran photo i.d. card? >> is your address on it? >> no. >> then no. >> i lost my legs for this country. >> all right. moving on to something that pretty sure you haven't yet heard. we have just gotten word from the bureau labor statistics that today the jobs picture slipped in to positive territory for the obama presidency. what do we mean by that? stay with me. it may be important politically. out to new york to alison kosik. what is the news? what specifically are we hearing from the labor department? >> let's go back. some government numbers on jobs created in this country were crunched and recrunched and
turns out that the results that the government came up with are in president obama's favor because what they show is that these jobs numbers, these job numbers show that the president recovered every single job lost on his watch and then some. labor department did is revise higher saying 386,000 more jobs created last year than initially thought so here's some of the math for you. in the year following president obama's inauguration, the economy lost 4.3 million jobs but adding in the revised numbers, 4.4 million jobs have been created since 2010. that makes the president a net job creator and now 125,000 more jobs created than before he took office. but you know, we got to temper it a bit with perspective. we are three years after the recession. we have still only recovered about half of the jobs lost since 2008 and hiring clearly isn't strong enough to keep up with population growth. not to mention that the kinds of jobs being created are not necessarily higher income jobs
brooke? >> here's the other but, though, alison kosik. i can hear people scratching their heads and saying, fishy? this is suspicious. recalculating the numbers with 40 days to go. is there anything suspect here? >> that's a good question because everybody wants the know that. the timing is suspect. but from what we can tell there's no conspiracy here. this is really how the bureau of labor statistics operates. it goes ahead and revised the figures very frequently as it gets more and more information. in fact, these numbers could still be revised again in january. and you know this because when we come out with the jobs report every month there are often revisions to the previous month's so revisions are just sort of a name of the game coming to calculating how many jobs created in this country. >> alison kosik, thank you. if you want to read more, cnnmoney.com with a write on that. don't forget to catch the first presidential debate. denver, colorado.
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the attack at the american consulate in libya. we are just now learning fbi agents haven't even stepped foot on the scene there. when's more, the crime scene isn't even secure yet. >> what we found out today from senior law enforcement officials is that while the fbi has finally made it to tripoli, they've never made it to benghazi. >> they haven't been on the ground in benghazi? >> they have not. it was taking so long to get permission to go to tripoli, the fbi deployed the personnel to a location in the region to be closer. they have conducted interviews at the state department and u.s. government personnel who were in libya at the time of the attack. but they've not again able to get -- they have gotten as far as tripoli and never to benghazi. they made a request that the crime scene be secured. as we know from our arwa damon's reporting and other reporting, we don't whether or not the state department put the request to the libyans and denied or what happened to it.
what we know for sure is the crime scene is never secured. >> cnn's national foreign information correspondent fran townsend talking about this. i want to bring in bobby gosh. welcome back. >> thanks. >> you wrote a piece in "time" magazine coming out tomorrow. and in your reporting in this article i read, you point to a specific cell of a militant group thought to conduct that attack in benghazi. tell me what you know. >> our local reporting suggests and the libyan government seems to believe the group was responsible for the attack. there's a lot of to'g and fro'g in the state department of whether it's a planned attack. some indication it's a spur of the moment thing. they saw a protest in front of
the american consulate and decided to take advantage of that, take cover among the protesters and make this attack and other reports suggesting they planned this all along but most people in libya are fingering the cell of the group that's -- has been responsible for this attack. >> i want to quote you from your article talking about these groups. quote, if the democratically elected governments of egypt, libya, tunisia and yemen represent the flowering of the arab spring, the newly assertive salafis are its weeds. flourishing in soil for theized by free expression and poorly tended by weak governments. you know, anyone who gardens knows weeds are tough to eliminate, depends on the gardener. if you continue the metaphor, talking about the governments, especially, you know, the new president of egypt morsi formerly of the muslim brotherhood reluctant to fight
the groups. why? >> for several reasons. running a country and securing, these things are all new to these groups. not that long ago, only months ago the muslim brotherhood of morsi at the receiving end of this kind of the kind of things that he now needs to do with the salafis. they were regarded as abandoned. that's a problem. second problem, salafis won 20% of the vote of the election. they have some political legitimacy and once you replaced a dictator who's known for beating up and beating down on his people, you can't really politically be seen as doing the same thing with the group that wins 20% of the vote. so they have some genuine concerns and problems and that's actually giving the salafis more oxygen to breathe and more fertilizer to grow in the region. >> where does that leave the united states? helping, assisting with the arab
spring, bring about the change. are we now haunted by the efforts there? >> no. i think the arab spring states will come to terms with this in time. the question is whether we have the patience or whether we have the time. what the united states can do is protect its people, its embassies, its interests the best it can and then keep putting pressure. we saw in egypt that after president obama called president morsi, gave him a quite stern talking to by all accounts president morsi then was forced to take action and i think lesson was learned there by the egyptians and others and it was not even in libya, for instance, the government immediately came out and criticized the attack on the consulate. in yemen, the government criticized the attack on the embassy. it's not even. the problem is sort of different levels of seriousness in different countries. >> what's the problem for the libyan government? you have benghazi, the eastern part of the country, i was talking to senator john mccain a couple of weeks ago and talking
to you when the protests were happening and he to me is saying, brooke, porous borders, the weapons. very much so, very bad guys in places like libya and seems that the libyan government is not able to shut them down. >> well, it's a terrorism problem that's concealed within a law and order problem. the terrorist groups are small but a significant law and order problem. lots of libyans have weapons and the government doesn't have control over its security forces, doesn't have the faith of its police forces to actually go and begin to clean up the sort of weapons cache. they have been trying since the attack on the american consulate and benghazi, there's been actually this is reassuring and public anger against militias with weapons and that run around these libyan cities. they're the law. and so there is a turn in the public mode and that's empowering the governments. they don't really have reliable police forces or reliable intelligence services, reliable
militaries even. that will take time. >> bobby ghosh, i have a feeling we'll continue the conversation. as you point out, it takes time. thank you so much. "time" magazine editor at large. >> thank you. and here we are. top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. within just the last hour, a hard line on establishing a red line to iran. israel's prime minister blunt, brief, literally to the point using a red magic marker to show iran must be given an ultimatuu, a red line to stop its nuclear program. take a look. >> if these are the facts, if these are the facts, and they are, where should a red line be drawn? a red line should be drawn right here. before, before iran completes the second stage of