tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 10, 2012 10:00pm-11:00pm EDT
thugs? it wasn't just because they harbor terrorists like al qaeda. it's because they think it's fine to murder 14-year-old girls for speaking their mind. tonight, i urge you all to think about malala, a true heroine of our times. >> my people need me and i shall raise my voice, because -- because if i don't raise my voice, when will i raise my voice? >> that's all for us tonight, "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. 10:00 on the east coast. we begin tonight with a mother who is asking the toughest question a mother can. why is my son dead? that is all pat smith wants to know. her son, sean smith one of the americans killed in the attack in benghazi on september 11th. sean smith, one of the computer
specialists at the consulate there. a month after, she watched her son's casket come off a cargo plane, a month after she says everyone promised her answers, everyone she says all the way up to the president of the united states, and she says she is still waiting to hear. still waiting for answers. waiting for a call. congress held hearings today. we'll talk about that shortly, but first, my conversation with sean smith's mom, pat. i appreciate you being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss. what do you want people to know about sean? >> oh, god. he was my only child. he was good. he was good at what he did, and he loved it. >> he loved working with computers? >> computers, radios. he was good at what he did. >> did he always do that? was he always good with computers? >> we'll, when he was a kid, computers weren't out yet.
and then they were out and i got a computer and he started showing me how you could build a flame thrower by watching a computer and that is how it started. >> he lived in the netherlands were you able to communicate a lot. he served in a lot of very dangerous places. did you all ways know where he was? >> when he told me. for example, this time he was in the hague and that is where he was stationed. he was supposed to be there for about two years. and then he would transfer to some place else. i did not know he was going to be in libya. >> did he ever talk about the dangers that came along with his job? he served in iraq as well.
>> yes, in fact i still have it on my computer where he sent me, this thing he was in working in the palace over there. >> in baghdad. >> yeah, in baghdad, and he says, got to go, and suddenly he just disappeared and i said what is happening over there. and he said listen. and suddenly i heard boom. where they were shooting at him. >> you must have worried a lot. >> when that was over. i can't spend my life worrying about it. i accepted what he wanted to do. >> i want to play for our viewers what president obama said about your son when he returned home. >> sean smith it seems lived to serve. first in the air force and then with you in the state department. there in benghazi he surely
thought of heather and samantha and nathan and he laid down his life in service to us all. today, sean is home. >> he's mentioning his wife and children. when you heard the president say that, what did you think? >> this is the first time i heard the president say that. >> it is really? >> yes, he never told me that, he knew he was in a bunch of scary places. i didn't expect him to get blown up and to die. >> do you feel that you know what happened or are you still searching for answers. have you been in contact with the state department? you have they given you details of what happened? >> that is a funny subject. i begged them to tell me what
happened. i said i want to know all the details all of the details no matter what it is and i'll make up my own mind on it. and all the big shots over there told me that they promised me that they would tell me what happened. as soon as they figure it out. no one not one person has ever, ever gotten back to me other than media people and the gaming people. >> her son was a big video gamer. >> we are going to have more with pat smith after a quick break. she has tough words for this administration. who she says has forgotten the promises they made to her the day sean's body was returned. also tonight, the latest on today's congressional hearings on the attacks. join us next.
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dougher dougherty's mother asked mitt romney to stop invoking her son's name on the campaign trail. pat smith did not speak about anyone's political agenda tonight. she is, however, bitter ly disappointed with the state department, the defense department, and the president. we'll talk to you about what the state department has said. we'll start with her unfulfilled search for answers. >> who told you that they would give you information? >> you will love this. obama told me, hillary promised me. joe dieden is -- joe biden is a treasure. he is a real sweetheart. they all told me that -- they promised me. i told them please, tell me what happened. just tell me what happened. >> so you, are still waiting to find out what happened to your son what they know, or even what
they don't know. >> right. officially yes. i told them don't give me any bologna you can keep your political stuff, just tell me the truth. and i still don't know. in fact, today i heard that he died of smoke inhalation. >> you don't know the cause of death. >> no, i don't. i look at tv and i see bloody hand prints on walls thinking is that my son's? i don't know. i don't know if he was shot. i don't know. they haven't told me anything. they are still studying it. and the thing that is they are telling me are outright lies. that susan rice, she talked to me personally and she said this
is the way it was. it was -- it was because of this film that came out. >> so she told you personally that she thought it was a result of the video of the protest. >> oh, absolutely. in fact all of them did. all of them did. leon panetta actually took my face in his hands like this and he said trust me. i will tell you what happened. and so far, he's told me nothing. nothing at all. and i want to know. >> it is important for you to know all of the details no matter how horrible or tough they are to hear. >> exactly. i said if it is such a secret thing fine, take me in another room and whisper in my ear and fine we'll go from there. at first i was so proud because they were treating me so nice.
at that reception, they came up to me, talked to me. i cried on obama's shoulder. and then he kind of looked off into the distance. so, that was worthless to me. i want to know for god's sakes. or for allah's sake or for whoever's sake is there. >> you deserve answers. >> i think so. i believe i do. i believe it. it is my son. i had him -- i told obama personally, i said look i had him for his first 17 years and then he went into the service and then you got him. and -- i won't say it the way i said it. but i said you screwed up you didn't do a good job i lost my son. and they said we'll get back to you. i promise, i promise you.
i will get back to you. >> some of the administration have said we are investigating and still trying to find out answers. >> they still are. >> you want them to contact you and keep you aprised of the investigation of where things are. you would think that they would at least do that. >> that would be so nice. they would at least acknowledge that they have a right to know something other than we are checking up on it. or trust me. i like that one the best of all. i like that one. trust me, i will let you know. well i don't trust you anymore. i'm not going to say lied to me, but you didn't tell me and you knew. >> pat smith, thank you. >> grieving mother. we are joined now by fran
you townsend and foreign affairs correspond spoent jill doughe y dougherty. fran serves on the recent advisory board and had traveled to libya and met with ambassador stevens. obviously mrs. smith is upset. what is the procedure though for keeping a family informed. she said we will let you know what happened? you would think somebody would be in contact with her. >> there is an office in the justice department. the office of victim witness assistance. they are supposed to be the advocates, to get updates, to make sure the families are kept apprised. but you also expect and every department has this. if it is a member of our law
enforcement or intelligence service that is agency makes sure to shepherd the person around the system. it is sort of incomprehensible to me these are people, the family members were identified and met with senior officials and it is not as though they don't know where she is. >> initially i thought maybe they were in contact with sean smith's wife who is i guess in the netherlands? >> that is right. with a family that has lost someone, there is more than one person. there is the family and you may have the spouse. and it becomes the government' s responsibility to keep the family in formed. >> you reached out to the state department what are they saying?
>> they are saying since the beginning they have made it a priority to maintain contact. they say in the last 24 hours before the hearing they reached out by phone to at least one member of the family and told them what would be reported at the congressional hearing and they also said that the mother of sean is contacted by us. so, they won't get into a lot of specifics but they maintain that they have been in contact with the families in some way or another since the beginning. >> they are now say that go they will contact mrs. smith. >> yes, they say they will make sure that they are. >> at this point, who are they supposed to believe? >> there have been so many different stories out there and now there is lots of political allegations and we had this
hearing today and some saw it as a political hearing. >> you know look, this is really hard. in the first 48 to 72 hours, the first facts are often wrong. the american media and people of ten understand that. tomorrow is a month since the attack. it is hard to imagine that no one has talked to this woman. the autopsy is a well-known fact and the results of that are understood by investigators, and there is no excuse for not sharing that information with the victim's mother. >> let's talk about the hearing that happened today. which the state department defended the administration' s handling of the attack. did it resolve anything? >> anderson, you know, i didn't hear a lot of new information at all. i think, i and some others who were watching it were struck by
the fact that it turned into his sparring and it was very, very personal between you know the republicans and the democrats. i don't think that it accomplished very much when you get down to the nuts and bolts of what was learned. >> the state department said that they had the appropriate number of people on the ground and there was a review from the panel saying how can you say that given four americans are dead. >> right. and not to explain away, but their view would be based on the information that they had at that point coming from their agencies and others on the ground. they believe that they had the adequate amount of staffing.
now, they say that basically nothing a few more people or protective measures could not have protected from something that they are describing as military combat attack. >> there is a military investigation. >> well, as we have said and reported, there is an accountability review board and there are these hearings. in the end, the definitive version of the facts will come from the fbi who are responsibility for putting together the prosecution. they will be the keepers of the evidence. but i must tell you the answer on his face fails the common sense test. when you talk to average americans who have no dog in this fight.
they say obviously we didn't have adequate security. the terrorists are to blame for the deaths, but we want accountability and we want to understand how can we make sure? the state department are working in dangerous places. how do we assess threats, assign security responsibility? >> the state department said today no amount of sort of the usual security would have been able to deal with dozens of attackers. if it is not possible to protect from the threat that is present, then you shouldn't be there. this is less to me about blame than it is about accountability. >> you don't want this to happen again and there are other facilities that we have that are
like this. that's the bottom line here in getting answers for the families. >> jill, i appreciate your reporting time. fran townsend as well. let us know what you think right now on twitter. just ahead. mitt romney seem to move to the middle on abortion and moves right back. what does he believe and was it a mistake what he said yesterday. we will be right back. i don't spend money on gasoline. i am probably going to the gas station about once a month. last time i was at a gas station was about...i would say... two months ago. i very rarely put gas in my chevy volt. i go to the gas station such a small amount that i forget how to put gas in my car.
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present. his record as an elected official and how it all comes together which may explain why mr. romney seemed to be sounding more mot rate on a range of issues. just yesterday, comments he made about abortion were picked up by democrats as governor romney taking a more centrist position. now listen to this q & a with a reporter from "the des moines register." >> from is. >> there is no legislation with regard to abortion that would become part of my agenda. >> right after he said that, however, governor romney would support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life. and later today mr. romney said what he would do as president. >> i think i said that time and again i'm a pro life candidate, i'll be a pro life president.
the actions i will take immediately would be for a pro life budget. >> he supports 14th amendment protections for prebirth children. and was his statement to the des moines paper an attempt to tailor the message there? or was it simply a misstatement? his views have changed over time often it seems to coi coincide e and when he's running for office. in 1994 he was running against senator kennedy in the senate. >> i believe that since row v wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it. >> he lost that election eight years later running for governor in massachusetts he said this. >> so when asked will i preserve a woman's right to choose, yes,
i will. >> he promised during a debate not to make any changes which would make it more difficult for a woman to make that choice herself. once elected, though, mr. romney changed his position and vetoed a bill expanding access to emergency cob tra sepgs. fred thompson made an ad using that pro choice clip against him. i asked the governor about that during a debate, here is what he said. >> i don't know how many times i could tell it i was wrong. i was pro- choice when i ran for office. if people in this country are looking for someone who is not willing to admit that they are ever wrong. they are going to have to find somebody else.
on abortion, i was wrong, and i changed my mind as governor. this didn't happen when last week. this happened when he was governor the first time the bill came to my desk. i could not sign a bill that took away human life. >> tonight, it is that. his record that has many on the left crying flip- flop. folks on the right saying he was misunderstood or mistaken. asked about mitt romney's comments about abortion to "the des moines register" let's play a clip of what he just told abc news. >> this is another example of his hiding positions that he has been campaigning on for a year and a half. >> do you think that he has moved to the center? >> not on abortion.
the campaign said to go back and look at the interview that he gave in june 2011. >> was that just a mistake, an oversight? >> i read his quote and i believe it was probably more of an oversight and he said there is no legislation that he can think of. he said he would sign legislation if it came to his desk on fetal pain, which is the greatest challenge it roe. >> do you see a move toward the center on other broader issues in the debate? >> not in a way that would close any kind of daylight between president obama and governor romney. >> he's saying, on his health care plan, he says preexisting
conditions are covered, but under most definitions, preexisting are not covered. if you have health insurance and you lose your job and have a preexisting condition, you can continue with coverage if you pay the premiums, that's not most people's definition. >> that is right. and i read that his senior adviser clarified after the debate. i want to say that the whole abortion has been talked to death. president obama never uttered abortion -- >> i know and there is a wider range of people? is that also a misstatement? >> i don't think there is any
macnation machination in trying to misspeak? >> i think mitt romney is willing to do or say anything to become president. women's health care, immigration, on his embrace of a $5 trillion tax cut, those are the far right wing of the party. we'll hold his feet to the fire for the next 27 days. it does amaze me, that you know, mitt romney had one good night. the president didn't have the best night, he's been pretty straight forward about that, but we're running like we're five points behind in these swing states. there is a little bit of overconfidence i'm hearing from kelly anne. >> sorry. never. no overconfidence. i'm not part of the romney team. no overconfidence here. this race is not over and late in the game deciders are female. the only thing to them, when you
talk about women's health, they think about cardiovascular issues, osteoporosis, owe weissity, nutrition, they don't think about abortion. you taking the word was once called abortion, choice, and now all women's health is insulting to women. let them make the decision. >> those are preexisting conditions are you talking about. a lot are preexisting conditions and i still don't understand why governor romney during the debate would say his health care coverage covers preexisting conditions when by mote people's definition on how you get that covered, his plan doesn't cover that? >> there is another thing. you just explained it better than president obama did in his debate. >> i appreciate the compliment, but i'd like an answer. >> here is my answer. president obama should thank mitt romney for essentially providing an inspirational blueprint for his own advisers to construct obama care. >> i don't know how any candidate running as long as
mitt romney and as smart could get his own policies so wrong, unless he was trying to appeal to a wider range of people by kind of -- kind of painting with a very broad brush and a definition that's not what most people have about a preexisting condition. >> mitt romney is not a liar. he got that part wrong according to his senior adviser. >> he just did last week. >> so he got it wrong? >> do you think it was a mistake? >> this is becoming a pattern. when something becomes a pattern, you have to wonder what's behind it and why mitt romney is so uncomfortable with his own positions. >> a fascinating debate. tomorrow night, the vice presidents debate. thank you. >> thank you. the family of lily ann
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keeping them honest. important information tonight on the deadly meningitis out break involving ten states. 137 people have been sickened. 12 people have died. as many as 13,000 may have been tai exposed to the tainted injections. the injections were made by a company called the new england compounding company.
its owners are not taking questions. dr. sanjay gupta got as far as the parking lot before he was told to leave. he managed to take a look behind the facility though. a recycling site with waste and garbage is right behind it. turned out the recycling center is owned by the same guy. today, sanjay did some more digging. this is what he found. >> necc this is the place where the deadly meningitis outbreak started. we came here looking for answers. but we soon found out no one would talk. is there someone we can talk to? >> i went to the home of the owner of the facility. there was a car parked at the end of the driveway. no visitors allowed. i was fold they would called me back. they didn't. there was something else we noticed. look closely at the name of this garbage facility connected to
the necc. it turns out this is the maiden name of barry krcaden's wife, lisa, also listed as a pharmacist at necc. barry cadden, gregory panagenerio are owners of the necc and this medical sa silt. necc has 21 employees and generated $8 million in revenue. ameridose, 400 employees and $100 million a year. ameridose does drug manufacturing, but they also do ad mixing, a form of compounding, regulated by the state pharmacy board and here is something else. there is a woman named sophia,
vice president of compliance at ameridose, also appointed to the state pharmacy board back in 2008. we asked them about that and they say she has recused herself to all matters related to the necc and ameridose. both have done business with the government. more than $8 88,000 drug orders were placed with them since 2007. and now both have shut down their operations. >> and i'll tell you as well, the massachusetts department of health did not say there is evidence of contamination when it comes to products for ameridose. what is the connection between the companies and what that might mean for consumers going forward? the bottom line is the federal officials is not responsible for overseeing the quality at these compounding pharmacies.
>> ameridose does manufacture some medications which skoomz under the purview of the fda, but they also do ad mixing, mixing together different medicine. that's the same thing we talked about with necc. a state-regulated thing. >> stay with us. hill lily ann carrie is one of the woman who died. she died two weeks ago. a wife, mom, grandmother. her family held a memorial service for her yesterday, honoring her life. the grief is mixed with fear and worry. lillian's husband got a steroid shot made by necc. george carry joins me now. i'm sorry for your loss. and i guess i want to ask you what do you want people to know about lillian? >> first of all, she was a wonderful woman that she had a
love for life. she was part of our family, and that this should not have happened. this is a tragedy that goes beyond our family. from our standpoint. we wish to express our condolences to the other people. and those who may have injected with the steroid and undergoing the same period of uncertainty that we are in our family. >> george, not only dealing with the grief of losing lillian, but you had injections from the same pain treatment center. what have you been told about your own risk? how do you feel? >> i was advised on friday afternoon of the connection between lillian and i and the
batch and number of the recalled fga steroid. on saturday afternoon i had a spinal tap. those tests were sent out. i still haven't received any information regarding them. i, like many other people, have steroid injections as a result of neck pain. neck pain is one of the symptoms of meningitis. it is something that i live with. as a result i'm watching other body function to try to keep on top of it. >> heather, when you heard that these injections came from a pharmacy that is not regulated by the fda what did you think? did you know that? on >> i was not aware of that at first. i can say that shock, frustration anger, and a little bit of disgust were definitely emotions that crossed my mind.
i think it is crazy that these companies in this day and age weren't mandated to have inspections and this completely preventible death and tragedy had to happen due to these oversights. >> i want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta. 13,000 people may have been exposed to these shots. what are the symptoms that people should look for? george mentioned neck pain. >> george and heather, so tough to hear your story, what happened to your mom and wife. it is difficult, especially with this type of meningitis, a fungal meningitis, you may know is more rare than bacterial meningitis. and viral. neck pain is one of the simp toms. people can develop not wanting to be out in the light at all.
headache, sometimes fever. now they are taking some of the fluid and examining it to see if they can see any evidence of fungus within the fluid. it doesn't mean for sure if they don't find it, that he doesn't have be vigilant about this. i don't known they told you this, up to 28 days or so, if you have any symptoms i'm describing, you sneed to get it checked out. that's a message we have been giving to everybody. so, you may need to get checked out. >> have the answers you have gotten be satisfactory? you have called this a wakeup call for the country? >> well, i think that the lobbyist and corporations have been a part of the political process regarding important issues. and i think this is an important part of the process. >> heather, who do you think should be accountable here?
>> i definitely think that the corporations should be held accountable. i think the federal government should step in at this point and enforce stricter guidelines. obviously the state was not vigilant with their oversight in ensuring that the american public is getting safe drugs. >> the fda is investigating the necc facility and today ameridose, owned by the same people that own necc. but they are absolutely right. it's interesting. even at the state level when a facility like this applies for a license, they have a process that they go through at this point, but as far as we can tell, in talking to officials on the ground, unless there is a problem and that problem usually comes to light because something
like this happens, not usually to this magnitude. but something happens and then the organization, the licensing organization comes back in to sort of check things out, this particular facility back in 2002 as we've talked about was cited for unsterile practices. ten years later, you see what's happening. >> is there preventive treatment for people who don't yet know whether or not it is going to give them the meningitis? >> the one thing, should we treat somebody as if they have confirmed it. >> i don't know if they spoke to this with you. the treatment is a longer course of what are called anti-fungal medications. you want to have confirmed medications. sometimes it involves being in the hospital for a few days.
not really a preventative sort of course, but a real vigilance about symptoms. >> george and heather, i appreciate you being on. again, we are so sorry for your loss. >> thank you for having us on your show. >> thank you. our biggest concern was definitely putting a face to these statistics, because this is more than just numbers. these are human beings and loved ones and people. and hopefully by sharing our story, we're able to help bring more awareness to this, to get stricter guidelines going forward. >> i think everyone will think about lillian every time they hear about this and the others as well. and hopefully we'll learn more in the days ahead. thank you so much. stay strong. >> thank you. >> thank you. another deadly day in syria. 77 people killed in damascus.
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