tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 11, 2012 1:00am-2:00am EDT
it is not fine that they think it is okay to attack malala yousufzai. >> i thought the people needed me. i rose my voice, because if i didn't raise my voice, now so when will i raise my voice? >> that is all for us tonight. we begin tonight, keeping them honest with a mother who is now asking the toughest question any mom can. why is my son dead? that is what pat smith wants to know, her son, sean smith, a computer specialist who was killed. a month after she watched her son's casket come off a cargo plane, a month after she says everybody promised her answers, everyone all the way up to the
president of the united states, she says she is still waiting to hear, still waiting for answers, waiting for a call. congress held hearings today. we'll talk about that. but first, my conversation with sean smith's mom, pat. pat, i appreciate you being with us, and i'm just so sorry for your loss, what do you want people to know about your son, about sean? >> well, god, he was my only child. and he was good. he was good at what he did. and he loved it. >> he loved working with computers? >> computers, radios, he was good at what he did. >> was that something he had done as a kid? i mean, did he always -- was he always good with computers? >> well, when he was a kid, computers were not out yet. and -- then, they were out, and he -- i got a computer and he started to play with them. and he started showing me how
you could build a flame-thrower. and just by watching the computer. and it told you how to do it. so that is how it started. >> he lived in the netherlands. were you able to communicate a lot? he served in a lot of very dangerous places. did he always know where he was? >> i always knew where he was when he told me. for example, this time he was in the hague, and that is where he was stationed. he was supposed to be there for about two years, and then he would transfer to someplace else. i did not know he was going to be in libya. >> did he ever talk about the dangers that came along with his job? i mean, he served in iraq, as well. >> yes, in fact, he sent me -- i still have it. on my computer where he sent me this thing, he was working in the palace over there. >> in baghdad?
>> yeah, in baghdad. and he says got to go. and suddenly, he just disappeared. and i said what is happening over there? he says listen, and i was listening, and suddenly i heard boom, where they were shooting at him. >> you must have worried a lot. >> and then when it was over -- >> i can't spend my life worrying about it. i accepted what he wanted to do. >> i want to play for our viewers some of what president obama said about your son hadwh he returned home. let's watch. >> sean smith, it seemed, lived to serve. first in the air force, then with you at the state department. he knew the perils of this calling from his time in baghdad. and there in benghazi, from his time at home, he surely thought of samantha and nate, and he laid down his life in service to us all. today, sean is home.
>> he is mentioning his wife and his children. when you heard the president say that, what did you think? >> this is the first time i heard the president say that. >> it is, really? >> yes, he never -- didn't tell me that. sean knew he was in a bunch of scary places. i knew he was in scary places. i didn't expect him to get blown up. i didn't expect him to -- to die. >> do you feel that you know what happened? or are you still searching for answers? have you been in contact with the state department? have they reached out and given you details of what happened? >> that is a funny subject. i begged them to tell me what was going -- what happened. i said i want to know all the details, all the details, no matter what it is, and i'll make up my own mind on it. and every one of them, the big shots over there told me that --
they promised me, they promised me that they would tell me what happened, as soon as they figured it out. no one, not one person has ever gotten back to me, other than media people and the gaming people. >> her son was a big video gamer. we're going to have more on my conversation with pat smith after a quick break. she has some very tough words for this administration who she says has forgotten the promises they made to her, the day sean's body was returned. also tonight, the latest on today's congressional hearings on the attacks. .
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pat smith didn't speak about anybody's agenda tonight, but she is bitterly disappoint weekend the defense department, the state department. you will hear shortly how the state department will respond to her charges. but first, my conversation with pat smith, who is still searching for answers. who told you that they would give you information? >> well, you will love this. obama told me, hillary promised me, joe biden, joe biden was a treasure, he was a real sweetheart. but he also told me -- they all told me -- they promised me. i told them, please, tell me what happened. just tell me what happened. >> so you're still waiting to hear from somebody about what happened to your son, about what they know? or even what they don't know? >> right, yes, officially, yes, i told them please, don't give me any baloney that comes through with this political
stuff. i don't want political stuff. you can keep your political, just tell me the truth. what happened? and i still don't know. in fact, today i just heard something more that -- that he died of smoke inhalation. >> you so you -- so you don't even know -- >> i don't know if that is true or not. no, i don't. i don't -- i look at tv and i see bloody handprints on walls, thinking my god, is that my son's? i don't know if he was shot, i don't know, i don't know, they haven't told me anything. they're still studying it. and the things that they are telling me are just outright lies. that susan rice, what -- she talked to me personally and she says this is the way it was. it was -- it was because he does film that came -- because of this film that came out. >> so she told you personally she thought it was as a result
of that video protest? >> oh, absolutely, absolutely, in fact all of them did. all of them did. leon panetta actually took -- my face in his hands like this, and he says trust me. i will tell you what happened. and so far, he has told me nothing. nothing at all. and -- i want to know. >> it is important for you to know all the details, no matter how horrible or how tough they are to hear? >> exactly, i told them if it is such a secret thing, fine, take me in another room, whisper in my ear what happened so i'll know, and then we'll go from there. but no, they treat me like -- at first, i was so proud because they were treating me so nice when i went to that reception. they all came up to me and talked to me and everything. i cried on obama's shoulder. and then he kind of looked off into the distance.
so that was worthless, to me. i want to know, for god sakes. or for allah's sake, or for whoever's sake is there. >> you deserve answers? >> i think so i believe i do. i believe it. it is my son. i had him for the -- i told obama personally, i said look, i had him for his first 17 years. and then he went into the service. then you got him. and -- i wouldn't say it the way i said it, but i said you screwed up, you didn't do a good job. i lost my son. and they said, we'll get back to you, we will, i promise, i promise you. i will get back to you. >> somebody in the administration would have said well, you know, we're investigating, we're still trying to find out answers? >> they still are. >> you would still want them to contact you and at least keep
you informed of the investigation, of where things are. you would think that they would at least do that? >> that would be so nice. that would be so nice. they would at least acknowledge that i have the right to know something, something, other than oh, we're checking up on it. or trust me. i like that one the best of all. trust me. i will let you know. well, i don't trust you anymore. i don't trust you anymore. you -- i'm not going to say lied to me. but you didn't tell me. and you knew. >> pat smith, thank you. >> okay. a grieving mother, we're joined by two women who broke the story right away. former correspondent jill dougherty. we should mention that fran
serves on the advisory committee, and roeptly traveled to libya with her employer, and actually met with ambassador stevens. obviously, mrs. smith is very upset. and you know it is very understandable why she would be. what is the procedure, though, for keeping the family informed? she says they said well, we'll let you know what happened. do they wait until the investigation is over, you would think somebody would be in contact with her? >> right, there is actually an office in the justice department, because this is now a criminal investigation that is responsible. the victim witness assistance. they are supposed to be the advocates inside the u.s. apparatus, the government, to make sure that the families are kept apprised. but you also expect, any department has this, if an employee is lost, a member of our intelligence services, that agency takes ownership of making sure to shepherd the person through the system and around the system to get information. so in many respects, anderson,
it is sort of incomprehendible to me, the family members were identified, met with senior officials of the united states, and the secretary of state. it is not as if they don't know where she is. >> initially i thought, maybe they were in contact with sean smith's wife, who i guess was in the netherlands. but she was at this reception, they clearly talked to mayher. >> and that is right, anderson, oftentimes, there is more than one person, so you have the parents of the victim. you may have the spouse or an extended family. and it becomes the government's responsibility to take care of that family and keep them informed. >> well, jill, i know you had reached out. what are they saying? >> well, essentially they say since the beginning they have made it a priority to be in touch with the families, maintain regular contact, as they say. they say in the last 24 hours before the congressional
hearing, they reached out by phone to at least one member of the family and told them what would be reported at that congressional hearing. and then they also said we're going to make sure that the mother of sean is contacted by us. so they won't get into a lot of specifics, but they maintain that they have been in contact with the families in some way or another since the beginning. >> so you're saying -- they are now saying they will contact -- mrs. smith. >> yes, they say they will make sure that they are. >> at this point, the family member, who are they supposed to believe? i mean, there have been so many different stories out there, fran, and so many different -- now there is lots of political allegations. we had this hearing today. and some saw it as a political hearing, the politics motivating it. what do you -- >> look, this is really hard. in the first 48-72 hours, the first facts are often wrong. so i think the media, the
american people really understand that and sort of allow for that. the problem is, tomorrow is a month since the attack. it's hard to imagine that no one has talked to this woman. the autopsy, which was done at dover air force base, with family members present, the results of that are understood by investigators. and there is no excuse for not sharing that information with this victim's mother. >> right, jill, let's talk about the hearing that happened today, which the state department defended the administration's handling the attack, you say it is highly political. did it accomplish anything? >> anderson, you know, i didn't hear anything -- a lot of new information. i think i and some others who were watching it at the time were really struck by the fact that it really turned into this sparring. and it was very, very personal, between, you know, the republicans and the democrats.
and so i don't think that it accomplished very much when you get down to the nuts and bolts of what was learned. >> one of the most contentious moments, i don't have the exact phrasing, but basically the number of people on the ground. there was a sharp rebuke from the panel, who said how can you say that given that four americans were dead? >> right, that is the essential thing, given -- i'm not trying to explain away what the state department is saying, but they're saying based on the information that they had at that particular point, which was coming from intelligence agencies and others on the ground, they believe that they had the adequate amount of staffing. now, they also say that that event was so extraordinary that basically nothing, a few more people, a few more let's say protective measures could not have protected from -- something that they're describing really
as combat military combat attack. >> there is an investigation under way. i mean, at this point, fran, who is responsible for giving the definite account of what cables were sent and doing this investigation? >> well, as we have said and reported, anderson, there is an capability review board there, these congressional hearings, in the end, the definitive version of the facts will come from the fbi who are responsible for the investigation in a potential prosecution. they will be to keh keepers of evidence. but i must tell you, the evidence we had on its face, honestly if you step back from the partisan politics of washington and you talk to average americans who have got no dog in this fight, they sort of say look, it is obvious we didn't have adequate security. if we're looking to assign blame, the terrorists are responsible for the deaths.
but if we need capability, we want to make sure -- the state department are working in dangerous places. how do we work with threats, assign responsibility -- >> the state department said, no amount of the usual security would have been able to deal with dozens of attackers, there were dozens of attackers who were heavily armed. you say. >> i say we have forwarding bases in iraq and afghanistan during the iraq and the afghanistan war, and he protected them. >> there was not the substantial amount in terms -- >> if you're at a facility that you can't protect, that it is not possible to protect from the threat that is present, then you shouldn't be there. if you are there and you believe you can protect it you have to give adequate resources. this is less about blame than it is capability, what we ought to care about is capability for other diplomats. >> what we are concerned about, the lives, the bottom line here and also getting answers for the families. jill dougherty, appreciate your
reporting. follow me at anderson cooper. i'm tweeting about this right now. just ahead, mitt romney seems to move to the middle on abortion, then moves right back. it is not the first time he had the question, tonight, what does he believe? and is it a make, what he said yesterday? we'll show you all sides. we'll be right back.
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and another keeping you honest report, look what mitt romney says about abortion, not what he says over time, but his statements has some presence, the record as an elected official, and how it comes togeth together. right now mr. romney needs swing voters, especially women. which may explain why in the
debate in denver he seemed to sound more moderate on a range of issues. just yesterday, comments he made about abortion were picked up by democrats, on the center position. listen to this from the reporter at the des moines register. >> do you intend to pursue any legislation, specifically regarding abortion? >> there is no legislation with regards to abortion that i'm familiar with, that would become part of my agenda. >> so right after he said that, however, his spokesperson said this to "the national review," governor romney would support legislation aimed at protecting life. and later, he gave a specific example of what he would do as president. >> i think i said time and again i'm a pro life candidate and will be a pro life president. the actions i'll take immediately are to remove funding for planned parenthood, and that will not be part of my budget. >> that is consistent with his position throughout these
primaries. in the past, romney says he supports extending 14th amendment protection to women, and believes that abortion laws should be overturned and returned to the states. so keep in mind, was his comment to the des moines an attempt to taylor his message to voters there, or simply a mistake? romney's views have is changed over time, seems to coincide with where and when he is running for office. in 1994 he was running for senate against ted kennedy, and said this. >> i believe that abortion should be not allowed, i believe that since roev wade has been the law for 20 years, we should sustain and support it. and i sustain and support the right of a woman to make that choice. >> he lost that election, later he said this. >> so when asked if i will
preserve and protect a woman's right to choose, i make the answer yes. >> in fact he promised during the debate not to make any changes which would make that more difficult for a woman to make that choice herself, once elected, he changed the choice, two years later he was running for president on a strong pro life platform. now one opponent, fred thompson, actually used that clip against him in an ad. i asked him about it that i don't know how many times i could tell it, i was wrong. all right, i was effectively pro choice when i ran for office. if people in this country are looking for somebody who has never made a mistake on a policy issue, and will never admit they were wrong, then they have to find another choice. i was wrong, as governor, this didn't just happen the last time, this happened the first
time when this bill came to my desk related to life, i couldn't sign a bill that would take away the life. i came down on the side of life, i was awarded with the massachusetts citizens for life, with my record. >> tonight it is exactly that. his record that has many on the left crying flip-flop. folks on the right saying he was misunderstood, or mistaken. joining me now, the press secretary for the campaign, and former adviser, kelly, president obama was asked about mitt romney's comments to the des moines register. i want to play a clip of what he just said. >> this is another example of governor romney hiding positions he has been campaigning on for a year and a half. >> kellie, do you dispute that mitt romney seems to have moved to the center in that debate, and that there is more of a center approach? >> well, not on abortion, they said to go back to the interview he gave in june of 2011 if you
want to know how he would govern as president. >> so is that just a mistake? >> i read his quote. i believe it is probably an over sight more than a statement. i read his quote, saying there is no legislation he could think of. but he would sign legislation on fetal pain, which is probably the greatest challenge to roe in the legislature o-- >> but do you see on a broader issue, in the debate -- >> not a way that would close any kind of daylight between president obama and governor romney. i think that he was talking about his health care plan last week, and i don't believe it is an ideology shift, i believe they gift them the chance to be -- >> i mean on his health care plan he says pre-existing conditions are covered. when in fact by most people's defense, under his plan, pre-existing conditions are not covered. he is talking about health
conditions, and if you lose your job, you can continue with coverage if you pay the premiums, that is not most people's position. >> and i read about that, he talked about that in the spin room after the debate and clarified. but i do want to say that the whole abortion and contraception, it has been talked to death this year, for the war on the women. and i noticed in his speech, president obama never talked about abortion. >> but on the health care thing we just talked about. i know his spokesperson corrected him afterward. why would he need to be corrected? you would think he would know what his position is, saying that during the debate is that an attempt to appeal to a wider range of people? >> well, you would have to ask governor romney what he said, i don't think they are trying to appeal -- we should ask president obama why he appealed to nobody, he was listless for 90 minute. >> jill, do you hear
machinations. >> well, i think mitt romney will say anything, tying him to his position, on issues like women's health care, on immigration, on his embrace of a 5 trillion dollar tax cut, those are the positions that are the far right wing of the appear. we'll hold his feet to the position. it amazed me, mitt romney had one good night, the president, he had one bad night, we're five points behind in the swing states. and i hope that the romney team is doing the same thing. because there is a little bit of over-confidence i'm hearing from kelly ann. >> sorry, no over-confidence, i am not over-confident here, i certainly support him for president. the race is not over. and the late in the game deciders are female. the only thing, when you talk about women's health, they think about heart issues, osteoporosis, obesity,
nutrition, they don't think about abortion. i think you take the word, it was once called abortion, now it is women's choice, women's health, insulting to women. >> a lot of those are pre-existing conditions, i guess i still don't understand why governor romney would be saying during the debate that his health care covers pre-existing conditions, when most people's definition on it, how you get that covered, he doesn't cover it. >> and anderson, you just explained it better than what president obama did during his debate. >> i appreciate the comment, i would like an answer. >> well, here is my answer, what president obama did, in that debate, was thank him for providing a blueprint and the others at the white house to help cover health care. >> i just don't understand any candidate who has been running for as long as mitt romney is and as smart s -- mitt romney i,
painting with a broad brush, the definition most people have about what a pre-existing condition is. >> president obama is not a liar. he is not going to go on national tv and talk in a debate about his health care plan. he got that part wrong, according to his senior adviser. and in any event. >> so he got it wrong, you're just saying it was a mistake? >> that is what his adviser said. so i assume they're correct. >> jen, do you believe it was a mistake? >> look, i have to say it is becoming a pattern. so when something becomes a pattern, you have to wonder what is behind it and why mitt romney is so uncomfortable with his own positions. >> it will be a fascinating debate, jen saki, thanks. thank you. and the family of lillian carey is speaking out tonight. they want you to know she is more than just a statistic in
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important new information tonight about the company regarding the deadly meningitis outbreak, that now involves 12 states. over 100 are sick, 12 have died, as many as 12,000 people may have been exposed to the injections. the new england center is a type of pharmacy regulated by state officials, not the fda. the owners are not taking questions from reporters. dr. sanjay gupta got as far as their parking lot and was told to leave.
he managed to get behind their facility, what he found was surprising. a recycling site, found with garbage, nearby where the medications are mixed. turns out the cycling center is nearby where the same guy owns the compound center. that is not all, sanjay did some more digging, this is what he found. >> reporter: necc, this is the place where the deadly meningitis outbreak started. we came here looking for answers, but we soon found out nobody would talk. >> is there somebody we can actually talk to? i even went straight to the home of the owner of the facility. there was a car parked at the end of the driveway. no visitors allowed. but i was told they would call me back, they didn't. >> we're trying to get some information. >> reporter: but there was something else we noticed. look closely at the name of this garbage facility connected to the necc. turns out this is the maiden name of barry cadden's wife,
lisa, who is also listed as a pharmacist. a little bit more digging, we found out that lisa's brother is one of the owners of the recycling facility, and also this medical facility. they wouldn't even let us on the parking lot here. now, if necc is big, then amer yi dose is the 800 pound guerilla. they generated $100 million in a year. they do drug manufacturing which is regulated by fda. but they also do mixing, a form of compounding which is regulated by the state pharmacy board. and here is something else. there is a woman who is the vice president of coastline here at ameridose, who was also appointed to the state pharmacy board back in 2008. we asked them about that, they
say she has recused herself from the matters. more than $8,000 worth of drug orders were placed with them back in 2007. together, these companies have produced thousands of dollars worth of medications, and now both have shut down their operations. and i'll tell you as well, anderson, the massachusetts department of health did not say there was any evidence of contamination when it comes to ameri dose, but we're still trying to figure out the connection between the two and what it means for consumers, sort of going forward. >> and the federal officials, the fda is not responsible for overseeing the quality of the compounding pharmacies, it is up to state officials? >> well, ameridose does two things, manufacturing the medications that does come under
the purview of the fda. but they do the mixing, that comes under the regulation, that is a state-regulated thing. >> all right, sanjay, stay with us. lillian carey was somebody who died from the injections, got a steroid injection and came down with the fungal meningitis. she was of course more than a statistic. she was a wife, a mother, a grandmother. her family spoke. george carey joins me now, along with his daughter, heather andrus, i am so sorry for your loss, and what do you want people to know about lillian? >> first of all, that she was a wonderful woman. that she had a love for life. that she was part of our family, and that -- this should not have
happened. this is a tragedy that goes beyond our family, and from our standpoint, we wish to express condolences to the other people who have also lost loved ones, and those people who may have also been injected with the steroid. and who are also undergoing the same period of uncertainty that we are in our family. >> and george, you are dealing not only with the grief of losing lillian, but you had injections from the same treatment center. what have you been told about developing meningitis? how do you feel until physicall? >> i was advised on friday afternoon, the connection between lillian and i, and the batch and lot number, of the recalled fda steroid. on saturday afternoon, i had a spinal tap. those tests were sent out. i still have not received any information regarding them.
i, like many other people, have steroid injections, as a result of neck pain. neck pain is one of the symptoms of meningitis. it is something that i live with. as a result, i'm watching other body functions to try to keep on top of it. >> and heather, when you heard that these injections came from a type of pharmacy that is not regulated by the fda. what did you think? did you know that? >> i was not aware of that, at first. and i could honestly say that shock, frustration, anger, and a little bit of disgust were definitely emotions that crossed my mind. i think it is -- ridiculous that these companies in this day and age are not mandated to have inspections. and that this completely
preventible death and tragedy had to happen, due to those oversights. >> i want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, because there are a lot of folks, 13,000 who may have gotten exposed to these shots. what are symptoms that people should look for? george mentioned neck pain. >> yeah, and let me just add, george and heather, as well, it is so tough to hear. your story what happened to your mom and wife. it is difficult to hear, this type of meningitis, fungal meningitis is more rare than bacterial meningitis, neck pain is one of the symptoms. george is right. people can also develop sympt symptoms, not wanting to be out in the light, as well. headache, as well. sometimes fever, george is describing it, they're taking fluid to see if they can examine
it and see fluid. it doesn't mean if they don't find it. that he doesn't have to be vigilant, so george, i don't know if they told you, up to 28 days or so if you have any other symptoms they describe, you really do need to get it checked out. that is the message we're giving everybody else on this. >> and george, have the messages been satisfactory? you call this a wake-up for the country. >> well, i think that the lobbyists and corporations have always been a part of the political process regarding these important issues. and i think that is an example of how the process works. >> and heather, what do you want to see happen? who do you think should be accountable here? >> i definitely think that the corporations themselves should be held accountable. i think that the federal government should step in at
this point and enforce stricter guidelines, obviously, the state was not vigilant with their oversight in insuring that the american public was getting safe drugs. >> and sanjay, when you were out at the facility is the fda investigating? were they the ones in charge of the investigation? >> yes, the fda is now investigating both the necc facility, which is at the heart of this. and today, also ameridose, owned by the same people that own necc. but you know, you're right, it is interesting, even at the state level when a facility like this applies for a state license, they have a process they can through at this point. but as far as we can tell, talking to officials on the ground, unless there is a problem, and the problem usually comes to light, something like this happens. not usually to this magnitude, but something usually happens. and then the licensing organization comes back in to
sort of check things out. this particular facility, back in 2002 as we talked about, was cited for unsterile practices, and as a result of this you see what happens. >> and sanjay, was it preventible, the people who received these injections, if they know, will it give them the meningitis? >> well, doctors wrestle with this, do we sort of treat somebody if they have the infection, even if we have not confirmed it. and when it comes to this, george, i don't know if they spoke to you, but treatment is a longer course, what they call the fungal medications, and these are cases you want to have the confirmed infection if you do use the medications, because it is a long course of treatment. you have to be in the hospital, but really, just a real
vigilance about these infections. >> and i appreciate you being on, george and heather, i thank you for being on the show. >> thank you, our biggest concern was definitely putting a face to these statuistics, because this is more than just numberings. these are human beings and loved ones and people. and hopefully, by sharing our story we're able to help bring more awareness to this, to get stricter guidelines going forward. >> and everybody is going to think about lillian, when they hear about it, and hopefully the others, and hopefully we'll learn more about them in the days ahead. stay very long. >> thank you. another deadly day in syria, at least 77 people killed in damascus. 16 kills in homs, as the death toll continues. [ engine revs ] i'll take it.
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