tv Piers Morgan Tonight CNN October 26, 2012 12:00am-1:00am EDT
>> i'm the chief. it works out pretty well. >> nice to end on a happy ending. thanks for watching. see you back here tomorrow. tonight, 12 days and counting, mitt romney and president obama head-to-head on the thing that may decide it all. >> i want more jobs. my priority is jobs, jobs, jobs. >> i want to put people back to work here in the united states. >> john mccain talks mitt romney momentum and blasts the white house on the benghazi attack. >> you can't assume anything about either a cover-up or colossal incompetence. >> also, obama's favorite debate sparring partner and the man who whipped obama into shape after the disastrous first debate. and battleground america. why women hold the key to this election. plus, when politics becomes personal. the always controversial gloria allred. >> even when life begins in that
horrible situation of rape, that it is something that god intended to happen. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight, big changes. that's what mitt romney's promising, just 12 days to go before election day. listen to what he told the crowd a little while ago in perhaps the aptly named defiance, ohio. >> this is a time when america faces big challenges. we have a big election. and we want a president who will actually bring big changes and i will and he won't. >> the new cnn poll of polls has romney with a one point lead over the president. other polls have romney and obama tied in colorado and the president up three points in nevada. meanwhile, president obama's got at least one vote in the bag, his own. he voted for himself, taking a brief break from his battleground state marathon to cast his ballot this afternoon in chicago's martin luther king
community center. joining me now, a man who knows more than almost anybody else about running against barack obama, senator john mccain. senator, how are you? >> fine, piers. how are you? >> you've been spitting blood all morning about colin powell endorsing barack obama again. why are you so angry about it? >> oh, i'm not angry about it. i just wish that he wouldn't call himself a republican. we republicans have a habit of supporting republicans. that's all. everybody's entitled to their views. frankly, i don't think it will change one vote. >> let's turn to an interview that barack obama has given to "rolling stone" magazine and there's been some leaks from this in which the president effectively calls mitt romney, and he uses this word, a bull [ bleep] is that dignified for the president of the united states to use that term about his rival? >> of course not. it's not presidential to deride and be sarcastic about his opponent in the debates.
he talked about bayonets and horses as if bayonets are obsolete. the marines train with bayonets in combat zones. they're required to carry them. of course, talking about aircraft carriers, the president, as far as we can tell, has been on an aircraft carrier once when it was tied up to the pier and they had a charity basketball game. he's never been on a submarine and he calls our navy personnel, who are in the medical business, who are called corpsmen, called them corpse men. i don't know if he was talking to a zombie or not but the fact is that the president shouldn't be bragging about his background and expertise on military matters. >> let's move on to where we are with the election. everyone's focusing on ohio and the polls are clearly tight there and also tight nationally. but wisconsin is creeping up as very tightening and potentially moving your way. could in the end wisconsin potentially be more important than ohio here?
>> i think it could be. i also see pennsylvania. there are so many dynamics going on right now and so many too close to call, so many varying polls. there's a lot of dynamics going on. one thing is clear. there's some momentum still with mitt romney. that first debate was the most impactful probably in american political history because it just wasn't on how people looked, whether nixon needed a shave or not. it was really about the image that the obama campaign had very astutely built up a negative advertising for all those months that mitt was in the primaries and so the 90 minutes with barack obama -- i mean, mitt romney facing each other off shattered that whole illusion that they had carefully built up of unfavorables on mitt romney. >> two quick points on foreign policy before we leave it, if i
may. first of all, syria. this planned cease-fire starting tomorrow to last four days. are you pleased with this, does it have significance? what do you make of it? >> well, it will be interesting to see whether it holds or not, because you know, there are many disparate groups in syria now that are fighting against bashar assad ranging from jihadists which are pouring in to people who are pro-democracy so i'm not sure it holds. i would love to see any cease-fire hold because the killing has got to stop. but i'm very skeptical about bashar assad. could i just say another thing about it? if you and i were talking 16, 17, 18 months ago, i would have said by the way, there's going to be 34,000 people dead, killed, massacred, women raped, children in syria, you know, don't you think we ought to really do something to try and stop it and we would have agreed
it's a horrible outcome for the people of syria, but it's like the frog in the pan, the boiling water. we become immune to this. it barely gets much attention in the media now and i got to tell you, i'm an emotional person. i almost cry when i think of the massacre that continues there and us, the united states of america, not even getting them arms and equipment with which to defend themselves. >> yeah. i totally agree with you. i think it's a shameful dereliction of duty by many countries. finally, on benghazi, cnn has interviewed somebody who claims there was no original posting by the terror group on facebook or twitter which triggered the apparent e-mail which said there had been. are you comfortable having been one of the signatories to the letter based on these e-mails, are you comfortable that there
was a posting? because this group has not denied it. without that original posting, then the e-mail at the center of your complaint becomes obsolete, doesn't it? >> well, i think you have to look at this in its entirety. no, i wouldn't base conclusions on one facebook but as you know, there was realtime depiction of what was happening, there were drones overhead later on that were depicting what was happening. it was very clear that there was no demonstration. look, there were warnings, there was an attack on the consulate in august, there was one in november, there was clearly requests by our ambassador, not facebook posting, but by our ambassador for better protection. his last message was about that. his diary that was found not by our people but by cnn reporter talked about his concerns.
i think it's a very legitimate question, why didn't we do something about it, and if we knew that there was danger, why didn't we have forces on alert in case something would happen and then why did they send out our ambassador to the u.n., why did the president go on these programs and speak to the u.n. and continue to claim that it was a hateful video that triggered a spontaneous demonstration. you can't assume anything, but either a coverup or colossal incompetence which is absolutely ridiculous and outrageous. >> senator mccain, as always, thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you very much. there's one man who can get inside the head of a candidate, it's bob barnett. he handled generations of democrats, playing the role of everyone from george h.w. bush to dick cheney. who better to talk about president obama's state of mind with just 12 days to go until the election. bob, welcome. >> thank you, piers. good to be with you.
>> am i right in thinking, just clarify from the top, were you involved in all three of the president's debates this time? >> i was. i was honored to be included on the team. thank you. >> so what the hell happened on that first one? >> well, president obama said that governor romney had a good night and he didn't, and i have to leave it at that. what i can tell you is that after that first debate, he was determined and practiced and skillful in preparing and executing in the second and third debate, and i think that he was able in the second and third debate to present himself in the way he is, which is thoughtful and prepared and forward-looking, and most importantly, because these debates are most important because of the opportunity first for voters who haven't paid attention to, for the first time sometimes, take a look at both candidates and for both
candidates to have the opportunity to compare and contrast themselves, and i think in both those debates, president obama was able to show what he has done and what he will do, and also, what governor romney would do and of course, governor romney presented on his own what he would do. >> both al gore and john kerry both suggested it may have been altitude in denver. you go along with that or not? >> no, i don't go with that. i'm a poor country lawyer, i do the best i can. i'm not an analyst or someone who is able to determine cause in that way. i just know that in that second and third debate, the president executed brilliantly and i think by all polls and all pundits, won both those debates. and i think that if any momentum was gathered from the first debate and people will debate
that for a long time, i think it was stopped by joe biden's performance and it was reversed by president obama's performance in the second debate, and that further reversal was captured in the third debate. >> you've been involved in many campaigns. how do you call it at the moment? it's clearly tightening but depending on which poll you read and which swing state you're looking at, you can draft a very different picture for both candidates. what is your gut feeling about exactly where we are right now? >> sure. i'll tell you exactly what i think. i've always thought that this would be a close race. i think that in almost all of the seven, eight, nine most important so-called swing states, president obama is either tied or ahead, and i think that president obama has a much stronger and clearer path through the electoral college gauntlet than does governor romney.
>> it looks to me like the president is panicking about his dwindling support from women. there's no doubt that it's been dwindling. in the last three, four weeks, in fact, cemented by that first debate, you could see the polls really shrinking down to almost a tie with women. suddenly we're seeing a proliferation of abortion ads, social issue ads, hard conservetism ads all trying to portray mitt romney as anti-women. i think obama used the phrase today putting women back 50 years in an ad. clearly a deliberate strategy some would say born of panic. what is your view? >> there is no panic. president obama has been and will reach out to all constituen constituencies. if you want to focus on women, i think women will look at first and foremost the economy and jobs and the plan that president obama has just put out this week in 2.5 million copies of a booklet plus on the website about what he'll do going
forward for the economy. but as to the issues that are particularly of concern to women, i think that means the right to choose and the right to reproductive health and the continuation of planned parenthood. i think there's a dramatic contrast and while certainly women will be voting in great numbers for both candidates, i think when those all-important independent, late decider women sit down and say first and foremost, who will do the best for me and my family with the economy, with the deficit, with taxes, with energy, with education, but also with women's issues, women's rights, i think they'll come down strongly in favor of president obama. >> bob barnett, pleasure talking to you. thank you very much. >> thank you, piers. when we come back, another october surprise. sort of fizzles out. this one from gloria allred. [ ross ] in the taihang mountains of china,
hand-carved on the side of a cliff is the guoliang tunnel. what?! you've got to be kidding me. [ derek ] i've never seen a road like this. there's jagged rock all the way around. this is really gonna test the ats on all levels. [ derek ] this road is the most uneven surface, and it gets very narrow. magnetic ride control is going to be working hard. the shock absorbers react to the road 1,000 times a second. it keeps you firmly in control. whoa! [ male announcer ] the all-new cadillac ats. flavor boost, meet beef. it's swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth to add delicious flavor to your skillet dish in just one stir. mmm!
[ female announcer ] cook, meet compliments. get recipes at flavorboost.com. begins with back pain and a choice. take advil, and maybe have to take up to four in a day. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. trying to find a better job can be frustrating. so at university of phoenix we're working with a growing list of almost two thousand corporate partners - companies like microsoft, american red cross and adobe - to create options for you. not only that, we're using what we learn from these partners to shape our curriculum. so that when you find the job you want you'll be a perfect fit. let's get to work. see life in the best light. [music] transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen.
experience life well lit, ask for transitions adaptive lenses. c'mon, michael! get in the game! [ male announcer ] don't have the hops for hoops with your buddies? lost your appetite for romance? and your mood is on its way down. you might not just be getting older. you might have a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. millions of men, forty-five or older, may have low t. so talk to your doctor about low t. hey, michael! [ male announcer ] and step out of the shadows. hi! how are you? [ male announcer ] learn more at isitlowt.com. [ laughs ] hey!
why is she the only person in the united states of america, perhaps the world, who cannot speak about governor romney as it pertains to this litigation? >> gloria allred outside a massachusetts court today. the second day in a row we have an unsurprising october surprise. the testimony in a 20-year-old divorce case, tom stenberg and his wife, maureen stenberg. gloria, it must have been a disappointing day for you, not able to get this story out there properly. >> well, we were very happy that we were able to get governor romney's testimony under oath, the transcripts out to the press and to the media, and that i think is important because i think the public has a right to know and that was accomplished. however, we think that looking at those transcripts out of context, because maureen, because of the gag order that is
still in place, cannot speak about those transcripts, is unfortunate and as we indicated in court today, we are going to be going into court on our own motion to seek to modify the confidentiality order to obtain the right for maureen to comment on mitt romney's testimony and his interactions with her and his statements, and his impact on her life. that's what she would like to be able to do. i think the public deserves that. >> mitt romney's lawyers issued a statement saying these tabloid charges have been shopped around by gloria allred, one of president obama's most prominent supporters are absolutely false. every time a court's reviewed the allegations of her client over the last 24 years they have been rejected. there is no new information here. what do you say to that? >> well, apparently mr. romney, governor romney, and his attorney are strangers to the
truth not only with that comment but with many other comments they've made during this campaign, because of course, i've not shopped them at all. they have no evidence of that because i have not done that. so there's a complete and utter lie and falsehood, let's just call it what it is, a bald-faced lie. in addition, piers, governor romney's attorney today launched a vicious attack on my client, who is a single mom, who had cancer. so i asked governor romney, how low can you stoop, governor romney, to allow your attorney to launch this attack on a single mom who you know cannot defend herself because she is still under that gag order. >> we'll see what happens, obviously, with the legal action here. let's turn to indiana senate candidate richard mourdock, who said this. let's remind ourselves of what he said. >> i struggled with it myself for a long time but i came to realize life is a gift from god
and i think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that god intended to happen. >> gloria, we talked about this issue before. you were a victim of rape, had a legal abortion. does this stagger you that these politicians running for the senate, second one now, would say such extraordinary things about something as sensitive as rape and abortion and so on? >> well, i wish i could say that it surprises me but it doesn't, because there is that kind of extremism in the republican party. we heard it from todd akin, who is running for the u.s. senate seat from missouri, when he talked about legitimate rape as though that could be such a thing. it's just outrageous. now we're hearing it also from richard mourdock, who hopes to be elected to the united states senate from indiana. and what's shocking is, again, that governor romney is endorsing perhaps not this comment, but he has endorsed
richard mourdock for the united states senate seat from indiana, and in fact, has a video out there where he's endorsing him. so we have that old saying that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. well, maybe governor romney and the republicans such as richard mourdock believe that extremism in defense of taking away liberties and choices from women is no vice. i think it's wrong, it's offensive and richard mourdock apologized but he didn't apologize for saying it. he apologized he said if that offends anyone. well, it does offend me, but he's standing by his comment and apparently, governor romney and leaders of the republican party are standing by this extremist richard mourdock. >> his argument is that look, it's a religious conviction, the sanctity of life applies to an unborn child in that situation. do you have a respect for people who perhaps don't phrase it such a clumsy way but have a religious conviction about the
sanctity of life in any kind of situation like that? >> well, i definitely support his right to have any religious conviction he wants. but when he attempts to translate his religious conviction into laws which are going to be imposed on my body and the bodies of millions of women and make abortion illegal, and that's exactly what they're trying to do, make it a crime, and then many women are going to die or be maimed by illegal abortions like i almost died and was almost maimed by an illegal abortion before '73, before roe v wade became the law of the land because of the supreme court decision, and we're just not going to go back to those days. so yes, but just don't put your religious convictions on my body because my religious convictions may be different. and are different. >> gloria, as always, provocative stuff. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, piers. more on this and the controversial new obama ad next in battleground america.
bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern.
you want to do it with a great guy. it should be with a guy with beautiful -- >> someone who really cares about and understands women. >> a guy who cares when you get health insurance and specifically whether you get birth control. >> consequences are huge. >> my first time voting was amazing. it was this line in the sand. before i was a girl, now i was a woman. i went to the polling station and pulled back the curtain. i voted for barack obama. >> extraordinary new obama campaign ad with lena dunham talking about why she supports the president. it's getting a lot of attention as you can imagine, coming just 12 days before the election. battleground america tonight let's bring in my all-star panel. marjorie clifton, kristia freeland and republican strategist kelly ann cuomo. welcome to you all. i can see you all watching that obviously for the first time in utter shock, bordering on horror, ladies. kristia, let me start with you. you don't have a visible horse in the ring here. when you see the sexualization of the polling booth, as a
woman, do you feel comfortable with that? >> first of all, i don't have a horse in the ring or dog in the fight because i'm canadian. >> i'm british. we can't be blamed for whatever happens. >> there you go. i think i'm just too old and not hip enough to really understand -- >> come on. >> -- that kind of an ad. seriously. seriously. >> i think you're too smart to be so bamboozled by it. the more we talk about it in this campaign, the more insulting it is to women. they can do the math. not everything has to be about biology. barack obama should be talking about why the extreme poverty rate is one of the highest ever recorded among women, how women have lost 860,000 jobs since he's been president but he can't do that. he can't talk about the 23 million americans who are out of work or have stopped looking for work so we have to resort to going on these talk shows and being a little bit too glib. >> him doing that or him continuing to support a candidate for the senate who thinks it's god's intent for women to be raped and impregnated?
>> that man has apologized. >> he believes what he said. >> this is the president of the united states. he should be telling us what happened in benghazi. >> what do you think about the rape comments? >> he apologized and i'm glad he did. >> he hasn't apologized for what he said. >> he did. i saw the interview with senator mccain. senator mccain said he apologized for what he said. i don't know why we're talking about it. gender gap is narrowing. you keep talking about rape and mitt romney is winning women. >> it's interesting the way senate candidates keep blurting out things about it. marjorie, what do you think? >> this ad speaks to the fact 56% of voters are women and specifically in this independent swing vote that everybody is clamoring for, that is your demographic, the woman that created girls. she is in that 20 something voting bloc that will be absolutely critical, given the ratings of the show, we know it works.
personally, i would love to see the candidates doing laundry, taking care of my kid. those are ads that would win my vote. but no, what we do seriously know is that women are won by economic issues but -- >> when you say that, you say that, but let me jump in there. although i always presumed that was probably the case, a recent "usa today" /gallup poll shows the most important issues for women in 12 swing states, get this, abortion, 39%. jobs, 19%. health care, 18%. actually in the crucial swing states, abortion is the hot issue, which i was surprised about, because a lot of women said to me you know, it's important but i'm more energized by jobs and the economy right now than i am about anything gynecological. >> doesn't abortion become an issue when abortion rights are questioned? right? abortion is not an issue in roe v wade, 40 years old. for my lifetime, abortion hasn't been an issue for american women but i think abortion does become
an issue and i think frankly, having issues like abortion, having these rape comments come to the fore is a gift for the democrats. >> romney wants to fight -- >> 40 years of roe v wade. excellent point. in those 40 years -- >> will it be 41 years if mitt romney gets in? because people have the suspicion that certainly with paul ryan but mitt romney, too, given his positions on this and all right, he's flipped all over the place but they have a basic belief that actually if he got the chance, as he has repeatedly said over the years, he would try and overturn roe versus wade. if you are a woman -- >> the best answer to that, roe versus wade has been around as of january it will be 40 years of roe versus wade. we've had in that time 28 years of republican presidents. 28 years of republican presidents appointing people to the supreme court. we've had 12 years, if you count obama's four of democratic presidents. so then tell me, you've had all these republican years, everybody always fear-mongering and roe versus wade is the law of the land. >> jump in here, i'm doing your
job for you, what do you want to say to that? >> i think there's another important thing and the obama campaign has been doing this. they have been painting reproductive rights as an economic issue which they are, because when you talk about access to health care, access to birth control, and even this issue of abortion, this ability to control the number of kids we have, it is an economic issue for a lot of women. affordability of birth control and things like that. so i think that that is where there is an intersection. i think women do care about the economy but as you guys pointed out, when roe versus wade and things like this come up, this is -- it is a pressing matter and you know, mourdock's comments could be kind of a gift to the democrats. >> did women fill up the gas tank or have an abortion? can we have a sane conversation about america's women? >> wait a minute. to live in a world where abortion is illegal, if you are a woman or if you are the mother
of daughters, if it were -- >> but it's not. it's not. the election is in ten days. >> that's why your comments for me are incredibly revealing. you saying look, republicans have been presidents, they haven't rolled back roe v wade. hang on. let me finish my sentence. i do think what mitt romney is counting on is that voters will decide he's a sheep in wolf's clothing. he is actually a moderate, he wouldn't actually do this stuff, and that is the message that you are putting forward. that's what mitt romney wants people to believe. >> nobody really knows what the hell he really thinks. but let's take a break because i'm rather enjoying this. we will bring them back after the break for more of this because they're clearly just about to have a fight. >> no, piers. >> if the presidents can do it, we can do it. [ male announcer ] there are only so many foods that make kids happy. and even fewer that make moms happy too. with wholesome noodles and bite sized chicken, nothing brings you together like chicken noodle soup from campbell's.
it's amazing what soup can do. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ is efficiently absorbed in small continuous amounts. citracal slow release continuously releases calcium plus d with efficient absorption in one daily dose. citracal slow release.
boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ male announcer ] use any citi® card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts. more events. more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ] get more access with a citi card. [ crowd cheering, mouse clicks ] oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here.
i watch these guys and i'm like what is happening, am i a secretary on "mad men"? >> tina fey speaking in new york last night taking on republicans on their rape comments. let's bring back my all-star panel. as we left it on bit of a knife edge there, quite literally, actually, i thought. it's interesting what she says there. there is an argument that men should just keep out of this, generally. one of the problems is you got all four of the key players in this election, they're all male, and where is the big female voice in this? are there enough? >> i'm glad you mentioned men because we never talk about the real gender gap that's going on which is barack obama's underperforming severely among men particularly in some of these swing states. frankly, if abortion were the galvanizing issue to the persuadable women in these swing states, he would be running away with this election. the fact is the more the president and his supporters talk about abortion, the more the gender gap seems to be narrowing according to all the recent polls. >> it seems to me the game changer for romney was that
having been billed as this ruthless hard rebotic unfeeling character by repeated attack ads, we saw the first debate and millions of american women went hang on, doesn't seem so bad, he seems quite nice. >> exactly. it wasn't just the attack ads. it was the choice of his running mate, he chose a very idealogical running mate and it was the positions he took in the republican primary and the view always was as some of romney's senior campaign people said that after the primary he would have to pivot into a more moderate position. it took him longer to do that than i think he had hoped but with the first debate, he did that, and i think the reason why, you know, if the romney campaign is watching your show tonight, piers, they're saying get that british guy to stop talking about rape and abortion. we don't want to talk about it. we like moderate mitt. we don't want to talk about these issues. we want women to be focused -- >> that is true, isn't it? they would be watching and thinking exactly that because to them, they went through all this in the republican nominee race,
when mitt romney had to suddenly go all right wing to win that nomination, now he's won it and has to win the general election, suddenly we see nice cuddly moderate mitt again. are you falling for it? >> well, it is a problem on the flip-flopping. the obama campaign is taking every advantage to highlight the flip-flopping. this is coming down to a trust competition. >> but he is one of the world's great flip-floppers. >> well, obama is not a flip-flopper? he never closed guantanamo bay. took him forever to get out of afghanistan. he was going to do it the next day after he was elected. >> here's the deal. we walked out of the foreign policy debate and you had two candidates who looked very similar. jon stewart did a fabulous job of contrasting them, saying their policies are the same, just choose what color you want. you look at the two candidates, there were a lot of similarities. here you have these critical swing states and it's all going to come down really to the ground game in both places. it's a question of really likability. who do we trust more, because
right now, what you see in the polls is on the economy, the american people are saying both candidates as almost equally trustworthy in terms of who can move the economy. so it comes down to in the end, what do those key swing states think. on the women's issues, i will say they're not women's issues. they are men and family issues as well. because reproductive justice and opportunities for access to health care, access to birth control, just as much affects men as it does women. >> quite right. >> they don't affect men the same way. men can't get pregnant. this is a fundamental difference. come on. come on. and if a man were to get raped, pregnancy is not a possibility. so let's be careful -- >> there were three against one tonight so let's have at it. piers, when is the last time you ever on your show, seriously, let's have a truce here that we're not going to talk about women's issues. when was the last time you ever heard anybody talk about men's issues?
all issues are considered men's issues. hold on. >> i've got the perfect person coming up after the break. john sununu. one thing's for sure. he will not be talking about cuddly women's issues. i can tell you that. we have got ann coulter tomorrow night. if you ladies want to come back and share a bit of red meat with her, i would be delighted. >> all issues are women's issues. >> ladies, thank you all very much. coming next, current advisor to mitt romney, john sununu is live with me after the break. we all know what that means. he'll be on fire.
♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade.
you're not just looking for a by house. eyes you're looking for a place for your life to happen. governor romney is banking on a big push in the next 12 days. you can be sure he's hoping the swing states turn his way november 6th but can he do it? with me is former new hampshire governor john sununu. john, how are you? >> i'm well. how are you today? >> were you listening to those three feisty ladies going at it just now? >> i was trying not to. >> tell me this. things are going pretty well, i would say, for the romney camp. certainly compared to where you sat a month ago. a lot of it propelled by that first debate. the latest cnn poll of polls of likely voters has romney ahead 48% to 47%. the ohio cnn poll of polls, obama slightly ahead, 48% to 45%.
colorado tied 48%. nevada, obama slightly lead. but this is getting very tense, very close, very exciting. you've been around the washington block a few decades. what is your reading of it all? >> well, look, i think last time i was on your program, i said presidential campaigns are like basketball games. in a basketball game, it's the last two minutes. in a presidential campaign it's the last two weeks. that's where we are now. the candidates came out of the debates and now you have to look at what their big message is. romney's talking about a message associated with creating jobs, he's worried about maintaining our defense posture, he's worried about issues associated with dealing with the entitlement programs and making sure that they're still there and unfortunately, i see president obama talking about big bird and binders still, and then he had his foul exchange with "rolling stone."
i don't understand it. i would like to see these two candidates talking about the big job issues and letting the public compare their programs. >> when he used the b.s. word to "rolling stone" although it may have been ill-advised choice of words, the point he was making is that mitt romney is a bit of a flip-flopper. he says one thing, then says another. no one's quite sure where he stands on many issues. would you accept that charge? >> yeah, no, i don't. i think he's been consistent with a package of saying that what we need to do is deal with our energy issues in a constructive way. we've got to allow permitting on federal lands for oil and shale. we've got to make sure that we don't destroy the coal industry. it's a very important part of what we have. if we do that right, we'll be energy independent eventually. number two, we have to focus on jobs and jobs are created by people investing and people invest if there's an incentive.
most of those investments come from the small businesses in america and so he wants to cut the taxes on small businesses and move forward. number three, he recognizes that we need a training program to make -- and education program to make sure we have the people there. these are consistent policies he's had from day one. they're the policies he had as governor of massachusetts. i understand it is the vogue on the left to try and say there's flip-flopping but on those fundamental basic issues, he is rock solid. >> but what about when you see a poll that says the majority of women in swing states who took part in this poll have put abortion as the number one thing they care about, above jobs, above anything economic, and then you have somebody like richard mourdock who wants to be a senator coming out and saying basically it's god's intent when women are impregnated by rapists, you must groan, don't you? >> i do. rape is a heinous, vile act and it's horrible.
when mourdock says that, romney immediately condemned that. so the fact is, obama is trying to stretch and find, by finding something somebody else said and trying to put it on romney's back. why doesn't president obama try and tell us how he's going to be different in the second term from the first term? because the first term has been disastrous. 8% unemployment. 23 million people under employed or ununemployed. you know the statisticed as well as i do. the president won't tell us what will be new. it's the same thing over and over again and mitt romney says we can't afford that. >> final question. colin powell decided to opt for president obama again. despite being republican. is it time he left the party? >> i'm not sure how important the fact is. i do like that george herbert walker bush has endorsed mitt romney the whole time. you have to look at whether
powell's endorsement is on issues or a slightly different reason for endorsing president obama? >> what is that? >> well, when you have somebody of your own race that is president of the united states, i applaud colin for standing with him. >> thank you for talking with us. >> thank you. billy ray cyrus, right here tonight will come out and endorse somebody. let's wait and see who it is. . there's so many choices, the guests love it! [ male announcer ] don't miss endless shrimp, just $14.99! try as much as you like, anyway you like. like new teriyaki grilled shrimp. offer ends soon! my name is angela trapp, and i sea food differently.
that can only come from having someone else pay your mortgage for an entire year... this is what you'll experience if you win the quicken loans skip-a-year mortgage sweepstakes. up to five winners will get to skip a year of mortgage payments... courtesy of quicken loans. enter often at skipayear.com for more chances to experience...this... the skip-a-year mortgage sweepstakes. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze!
are you pleased to see your offspring being so thai? >> my dad said there are only two things in the middle of the road, yellow lines and dead possums, you have to stand for something, and stand what you believe in. >> a great line. >> pretty accurate too. >> what is your view of where the country in. >> my view is that, you know, america's coming out of a deep hole. when president obama took over, we were pretty far upside down. in a lot of different ways, you know, ash the world, and he's only been in four years. and i think the country is making a turn around and it takes time, you can feel america is getting its balance and i think the president needs four more years. >> you would vote for him again? >> i'm going to vote for him again.
i come from eastern kentucky, banks of the ohio river. i have seen the steel mills shut down. i saw the steel mills lose their jobs when jobs went overseas, i have seen the c & o railroad shut down to 90% of what it was when i was a kid. i want to see this area be the lifeblood of america, and i think it can be. i've seen the president, the support of the troops, i know a lot of veterans are coming home. i think that our country believes in our president, and i think the president believes in our veterans. you probably saw the story on the veterans and the hospitalization they get home and how long some of the red tape is taking for them to get care, i believe president obama supports our veterans. >> when you go on tour, and you're a busy guy. the album coming out, and you
finished doing "billy finn" in chicago. there are lots of people in america unemployed. 23 million americans unemployed right now. a national debt that has gone from 11 trillion to 16 trillion under barack obama. for all of the good stuff he has done, undeniable in many areas, there are these two huge things which he has to try to sell to americans, as give me more time. >> honestly wish that my album wasn't called "change my mind." one of the defining factors as i weighed out. this is the most important election in our country's history. when i was weighing it out, i just kept seeing romney flip-flopping and again, i wish my album wasn't called change my mind so i could sit here and say without, you know, the fact that it does happen to be the title
of my album, that's pretty much his theme song. >> dedicating it to mitt romney? >> i guess i am. >> the president has flip-flopped as well. i remember him standing there and saying i had close guantanamo bay, and then he didn't. he thought it would make him popular at the time, and he changed his mind. >> he changed his mind about something else too, that i thought was brilliant. the fact that i now supports gay marriage. sometimes we as human beings, we too change your mind, we think about that. i think the president shows he cares about the human race in this time, this world, we need a lot more love. enough hate to go around. we don't need to be worrying about who loves who. we need to be worried about taking care of our fellow man, making sure that kids got food to eat. >> always great to see you. >> thank you. >> good to see you, you look a lot younger than i do.