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welcome to the nightly show i'm larry wilmore. this is a different kind of day, i just want to say our hearts go out to everybody in charleston, south carolina right now. this is a horrible story. and for those of you who aren't up to speed. here is basically what happened. >> nine people killed in an unthinkable crime in charleston, south carolina. before he opened fire he told his intended victims i want to shoot black people. >> he said you rape our women and you takein over our country. and you have to go. >> larry: now i have to tell you guys we weren't going to talk much about this at all. i mean seriously we're a come key show right? what we built here isn't really designed to handle this kind of tragedy. and let me just say i know we talk about race a lot on this show but i think we can all agree this time this is a racially motivated attack. you know. i think it's-- (applause) but also it couldn't be
clearer when it comes out of the killer's mouth right. but even with all of that evidence an on a day like today fox news just makes my [bleep] head explode. >> last night's deadly attack taking place at his historic church in south carolina. the gunman's horrifying attack. >> the question is was it a crime out of race or religion. >> they could be calling it a hate crime because it happened in a religious institution. >> so if we're not safe in our own churches then where are we safe? >> the although they are investigating as a hate crime, there are still pieces we to put together. >> some look at it well because its with a white guy apparently, in a black church but you made a great point just a moment ago about the hostility towards christians and it was a church. >> larry: okay. all right. i know you guys don't want to admit that racial stuff is going-- that racial stuff isn't going on but how can
there be any doubt when it came out of the gunman's mouth. let me remind you what he said. >> i want to shoot black people. >> larry: he told his victims i want to shoot black people. i think when he says black people he means black people and not christians. i'm just saying. and remember this part. >> he said you rape our women and you takein over our country and you have to go. >> larry: he is being very clear. nobody thinks christians are going around raping everybody and taking over the country. all right. s this's not a thing unless you are a duggar, all right. then it's a thing. then it's a thing. then its he a thing. okay then. and then fox news sends out a black preacher like his black is going to confuse me right. black don't distract by the
way, it don't, black don't distract, okay. but nice try anyway fox. >> i'm deeply concerned that this gunman chose to go into a church. because it does seem to be a rising hostility against christians across this country because of our biblical views. >> larry: no no no no no. it is not rising hostility against christians it's rising and pervasive hostility against black people who were meeting in a church, all right. but let's hear more from the fox brothers. >> most people jump to conclusions about race. i long for the day when we stop doing that in our country. but we don't know why he went into a church but he didn't choose a bar, he didn't choose a basketball court. >> larry: didn't choose a basketball court. [bleep] man o e o you mean typically black areas like basketball court. why didn't he choose a recording studio i mean he could have gone to a chitlin farm break dancing class roller rink. why wasn't he at a watermelon stand y doesn't he go there. he could have-- and il lit
rassy center he could have been there. if he wanted to target a high concentration of black people y didn't he target any prison in the united states. why didn't he do that. and it wasn't just fox news. even gop presidential candidate rick santorum couldn't wait to jump on this band wagon to wrongville. >> without the assault of religious like we've never seen before it's obviously a crime of hate. we don't know the raiseal-- rationale, what other rationale could there be? >> larry: what other rationale could there be? i mean for people who live in cuss and dry black and white worlds it's amazing how social conservatives like rick santorum just stretch and bend and contort to make sure they never have to confront race right? i know because look i know because this is in a church that it's hard to understand that it's about race. but let me give you an example. four black girls were murdered in a church bombing in birmingham alabama in
1963, all right. back then no one pretended to wonder what the motivation was. if you tried to say it was about religion even the perpetrators back then would have corrected you. all right. no, we killed them because they're nigras that's why we did it. all right, one last thing about this church it has proven resilient for two centuries. it first opened its doors in 1816. six years later it was burned to the ground 12 years after that all black churches in the south carolina were outlawed. forcing mother emmanuel to hold their services in secret. also and that time racist killed one of the churn's cofounders for planning a slave revolt. and nearly 200 years later last night mother emmanuel senior pastor clemente pinckney was added to the list of church leaders taken from the congregation though this is devastating to the church today it's comforting to know that mother emmanuel can and will
>> welcome back. nightly show contributor mike yard. also joining us democratic congressman from texas joaquin castro. he led the white house on the faith-based partnership for president obama first term former pastor in chief joshua due boy and political science reporter christina greer. okay. so we all know why we're here to talk about this horrible thing today. and it really struck me that how clear this guy was about what his intent was. to me this was not even a hate crime. i call it racial terrorism. and-- why do you think it's so hard like when i watch all this fox news stuff try to make it about religion
it is a horrible thing. we have no-- it is clearly a raiing thing y do you think it's so hard for people to make it about race. >> because if people allow themselves to make it about race then they are acknowledging that we have some raise challenges that we have installed in this country. and people don't want to acknowledge that. we would rather say it's the lone gunman sin dom or it's just about miss mental health as opposed to pointing to a broader culture of division and too often of hate that feeds into stuff like this. that is why people don't want to admit it. because it sometimes points back to things they don't want to point back to. >> i think also it's hard for people to talk about race and racism in the present tense. because i think it's something that the country-- we often talk about it in the past because i think the country wants o to feel like we moved on from it. i think that sometimes pages it difficult rz do you think-- . >> larry: do you think they feel because we have a bomba we are post racial. i mean we're not even post
rachel. >> the thing is a lot of people want to say just a hate crime but it's both right. the definition of domestic terrorism f you are instilling fear in a particular group of people based on political religious or idea logical means. he did that right. the church is the last safe haven for so many people especially african-americans because this country in the past few months has shown us that we can't be in our homes. we can't be in our cars. we can't be in parks. we can't be on the street. we can't have movement. now we can't be in schools so the last place was the church, right. so if someone is coming into the sacred space-- . >> larry: yeah. >> it really is a part of that offended me the most was people they're so helpless in a church. their guards are down. i mean they're praying whatever. mike, to me it seems lake that resonated with me, i think the most out of all of this. >> i think that was the point of it though. that is the whole point of ter rim, to let you know-- and it's historical in america. that's what they did you know. you want to make people feel
like you know we don't want you here. and if you think you are going to hide we'll get you wrefer you fell safest. and people are in church feeling that is where they are the safest. no one is going to come in a church and do something like that. that is the point. let's hit them where they think we won't do it so they know listen we mean business. >> an here's the thing it's not on that they felt safe there. they were actually welcoming of new people there. >> it was come on in there's a phrase in the ame church and this was an ame church they say the doors of the church are open. so not only do they feel protected but they are asking for people extending sort of a generous welcome. and this is the response they got. >> you have to remember too it is like this isn't just a murder of nine people this is also an assassination of a u.s. elected official right. and so we need to use real language right. because this man, he's not a boy he's 21 years old it is premeditated. we cannot just brush it off oh he had mental illness. i'm tired of sort of that become the excuse of adam
lanza and what ever boys behave badly we do that. that is not the case here it is an assassination of a u.s. elected official and eight congress go grats and if it's about men raping women six of those individuals were women so the logic does not hold. >> that's lynch view. >> the father of a black man. >> black man raping our women and so oh they're raping our women where is the evidence of this. you just [bleep] you know what i mean. you are just [bleep] out of your ass. >> but i want to go back to the mental illness thing. some people say you have to be sick to do this. i think you also can be an evil mother [bleep] to do it too. sorry pastor. >> no. >> i like making that clear distinction, you know. >> well i think mental ill sense obviously a very real thing. >> this is just a theory i done know if it's true or not but it also could set the table to be more susceptible to the messages
that are in our culture. maybe this guy did have some problems. but when he's inundated with tweets and posts and sort of media messages and cultural messages about hating black people and dehumanizing this young girl in mckinney texas so on and so forth maybe it's easier to seep in if he is facing a mental illness so it could create a concept for him. >> i think it's important to know. i know that the president today talks about gun violencement but it's not just about guns. it's not just about mental illness. this was a form of domestic terrorism. we should view it that way. >> that's right. >> i agree. >> is there a-- like what message do you think the government can send other than the president coming out and saying it's bad you know,. >> i mean i think that there's got to be a message of reconciliation you know all of this these videos that we have seen of police brutality with community community members i mean we're going to see a lot more of of this stuff. and i really feel like we've gotten to the point where
there needs to be a kind of reconciliation, a racial reconciliation and a reconciliation between police and community. clearly. >> but before reconciliation we need a justice an b, i think one of the minor things that south carolina could do is the governor and the two republican senators can take the con fed-- confederate flag off of the capitol building. >> i agree. (cheers and applause) >> in fact you know i couldn't agree more. i want to show you i think the american flag was at-- is at half-mast half-- and the confederate flag was still flying. take that flag down for christ's sake! i mean at this point, the symbol of that flag is a symbol of terrorism for people who were terrorized during that time. there is no reason. >> even-- recognizes that it is a symbol of terrorism. it is really bad. >> my thing is especially in light of events like this to me that's-- take it down now everywhere. because that is what represents to people that went through those things.
>> that we're to the being honest about the situation like we don't want to have the real conversation about race. it's hard for me to take a governor seriously when she says oh i don't understand what would make somebody do this. and then your capital is flying a symbol of racism and separation and segregation. you are not having an intellectually honest conversation. >> i think racism shows nostalgia. >> that's right. >> it speaks to the fact that people are still not grappling with and dealing with the stuff that happened so long ago. i mean if you think that racism is in the past then leave the flag in the past as well. why are we still holding on to it. >> (applause) >> how is this not a racial incident. you try to tell me that a 21-year-old white kid. >> man, in the a kid. >> white man drove from his home in south carolina passed how many churches are in the south everywhere every block, and he drove past all these churches to
this particular church to shoot black people to say he hates christianity. that doesn't even make sense with. >> no, it doesn't. >> larry: the other thing i don't understand -- >> south carolina i think is one of five states that doesn't have a hate crimes law. you know, i think that's significant. >> that is south carolina. >> south carolina you know they have what of their six or their seven congressman you know six are republican. they gerrymandered the state quite well so they could bust up black district, strong black districts. the only democrat they have happens to be african-american. >> i want to ask you this. to me we used to joke about this racism is gone when all the old racist are gone. but this guy is 21 years old. that is worrisome to me. like i felt that younger generation, and some of the language he used when he said that is-- language that is very concerning to me raping women and all that. >> i think that is a family thing. that is his family feeding him that every day.
>> you find communities you can always find communities on social media. but this is also where parents need to step up. if your son is -- >> his father gave him a gun. >> your father gave you-- if you have mental illness why is your father buying you a .45 calibre gun for your 21st kbirt day. but also if you are wearing a badge i don't know where he got it-- . >> larry: hold that. let's talk about that we're be right back and we'll talk about that. a 100% beef burger melted cheddar with crispy hash browns and an egg your way. now that's a burg--- (explosion) you want that to go again sweetie? the thing burger. welcome to denny's. fantastic 4, only in theaters.
>> larry: welcome back. humor's here with mike yard joaquin castro joshua dubois christina greer. you were making a point before countriesa, about some the intig kneeas he was wearingment one was south africa apartheid flag. >> the other one was from rodesia, this is before the independence of zimbabwe so, where did you get it. if people don't understand he clearly wanted to show it off. he wore it prominently on
his jacket. >> larry: he was clear about it. >> an also his friends an family have also said that he always told racist jokes but they didn't really think that he would do anything about it right. and he just had southern fried. i know lost of people in the south, right. and for me when i think of organizations like the poverty huh center or-- these organizations in the south that have southern pride it is about social justice and human equity rit. so you can't just write it off as southern pride. >> larry: i agree. i don't like it when the south is summarily written off as racist or whatever. believe me race is everywhere. i want to bring up the obama thing again. let's say what obama said today. >> we don't have all the facts but we do know that once again innocent people were killed in part because someone without wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.
>> larry: there you go. couple points here. i thought when i saw that i was kind of surprised he brought it up at first. and i actually-- that is what i thought wow he want there. because i thought it was yes it was a political statement he i was surprised he made that but i thought it was very brave, do you have a different opinion? >> yeah i mean i believe -- i'm all for gun control, i'm all for it. but i believe in this situation, it didn't make sense to bring it up. i believe that it just causes distraction from what we really should be talking about and that is having a conversation about what would cause a young kid a young man to give up his future and perform an act like that. this is what we're running away from and talking about guns is causes us to run further away from it. >> because he was going to kill people with he had guns or not. if he had to fashion a bow and arrow he was going to do it he hated black people. >> i'm not sure of that. i would kind of take my chances with a bow and arrow. >> just saying, you can't pull it right out. >> i think the president was saying we can't just keep going after the killers and then not talking about the
instruments that they use to kill. and the ideaologies that motivate them to kim he was focusing on both guns and a culture of guns it's not just about one weapon versus another. some say it is a .45 calibre do you want to outlaw those, no it is the gunl culture that we have that makes it so easy to access guns and kill other people and about race as well am i think the president masterfully brought up both of those. quoting from dr. king in his speech after the murder of those four little girls i thought it was great for him to bring it up. >> larry: do you think it was good to bring it up. >> i think guns are part of it certainly concerns about mental health but there si larger issue here which is that this i think was domestic terrorism it was about an ideology of hate. >> larry: that is the real weapon. >> absolutely. yeah. >> let's not get distracted. >> let's be real. if they didn't change gun control laws after sandy hook what makes you think it's going to happen now. >> larry: you are absolutely right. i mean that to me is the biggest thing whenever
people talk about that it's killing a schoolchildren for christ sakes doesn't make you change your mind i'm sorry america you just want guns and you just want to do this. >> exactly. >> larry: i'm very pessimistic about change in terms of guns. >> yeah. >> well we have presidental elections coming up. and we also know that the nra is a very strong lobby for republican candidates especially. so i don't think we're going to get any sub san difficult gun conversations on that side at all. >> exactly. >> so of course we are now in these polarized conversations where it seems as though the part is an issue. democrats think we need to reign this in republicans see it as a symbol of the government overtaking their freedom. which is part of the rhetoric that this machines with talking about. how he feels as though he's under attack by the government, which is code for there's too many people of color here and i don't-- . >> larry: and it's also take our country back kind of bull [bleep]. >> it's almost a mania. people get exercised they get afraid of black people they think black folk are going to take their women or cause some other harm.