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>> i was never in it until two weeks ago when the new owners gave me two or. they have restored it, lovingly, the way it was. it was in this house, in this really provincial towns that lucille and her sister eleanor
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grew up. they are had a wedding here with a cousin in the middle. and, of course, eleanor grew up to become the scandal as eleanor glen, the world famous novelist whose novel, three weeks, was the first book to be banned in boston. that's where the term banned in boston came from. you see eleanor here with a tigerskin. because the key seduction scene in three weeks takes place on a tigerskin. it spurred a bit of -- has dogged eleanor the rest of her life. would you like to send with eleanor clinton on a tigerskin? are would you prefer to err with her on some other for? so these two girls kind of rock the victorian world. the one infinite sexy underwear. the other one incented something. they never looked back once they got out of well.
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this is well for back when they were growing up. this is her father, grandfather i should say. her father has died. that's why they live with her grandparents. and her father was the first magistrate. this was her grandmother who raised her in a french company and a french convent. once a year they would go down the hill to the depot here in what she called dirty little wealth. and pick up the huge barrel and take a back to the house. the girls which shiver with anticipation because this was called the welcome barrel. it was last year's fashion sense by their french relatives. so it would be pried open and our, silk dresses and hats. so just think when all paris is at her feet in 1911, what a
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sweet triumph that was work or from the backwoods for whom a barrel of old clothes from france was the biggest thrill of her childhood. and here she is not on the titanic. on another line of usually. in her signature black with her signature pearl ear rings, quite a formidable woman. so by i've 30, the titanic and not been seen on the horizon so they decided to board though no manic -- nomadic input and head out and wait for the titanic. several passengers described the scene on the nomadic, including this woman, margaret brown, who is about to begin on a voyage that would of course our her place in legend as the unsinkable molly brown. which she was never called a lifetime and she was never known as molly. you all know this. it was a label put on her by a
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writer who wrote a biography after her death. but she wrote an account of what it was like, the cold gray at mr. of the nomadic. i spent a whole chapter looking at this microcosm of the microcosm on board the nomadic as they wait for the titanic to arrive. but, of course, it arrived as the sun was going down and here's a wonderful painting at the nomadic alongside. today the nomadic is the only white starship still in existence. you've all seen beautiful shots of the museum. no, nomadic -- the nomadic has been restored near the eiffel tower. i went on board, the top level have been transformed into one of those benihana japanese restaurant where they juggle the knives. it was totally relative. i was so disappointed. i thought maybe that the washroom. i went downstairs and there was the lounge with white paneling and carved garlands on the wall just the way it was.
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so that part hadn't change. i'm longing to see it in ireland. by the time they got aboard the titanic, people were already at dinner for the late arriving passengers it must've seemed like they were latecomers to a party. and frank joined archibald butt and clarence moore, the third companion at dinner that night. then the next morning frances brown, the man who took some photographs i been showing you, the young candidate for the judgment priesthood, was up early. he was getting off in queenstown, the third stop in ireland. so he was anxious to record everything he could. he took a picture of the titanic's first sunrise over the irish sea. at that time, before and after breakfast, passengers were busily writing letters because the meal had to be dropped in queenstown, people always say how can they send letters from the titanic? they dropped them when it
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anchored off the queenstown. in the archives, i discovered frank's last letter, the letter he sent that morning from the titanic. it's a very revealing letter. i spent a whole chapter parsing it. he is writing to was very old friend, another artist and famous garden design who is a neighbor of his in broadway. they were part of the original broadway colony. very old friends. he described the titanic. he talked about the ostentatious, obnoxious americans. he's an american himself. with her obnoxious -- with their obnoxious wives. but also he writes about the queer people on the titanic. not in the modern sense. but then he seems to says our people. if he is talking that our people, pretty evident frank had a day pass.
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who might they be and whether gay people on the titanic? i have a chapter about that. but ironically as frank mr. linn is writing about the queer lot of people, the man who is quite unintentionally made homosexuality illegal in england, was also writing his last letter. the most famous journalist in the world. the man who really invented investigative journalism. in one of his last letters, which is also scribbling away to meet a deadline describes the titanic has a splendid monstrous floating babylon. everybody at the time knew what avalon meant. it was a biblical reference to a city of sin and wickedness. so whatever he meant by the titanic being sinful and wicked, we don't know. but it also invokes instead the most famous campaign. in 1885, in reforming the criminal law amendment act to raise the age of consent to get
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rid of underage prostitution, which was epidemic in london, in london for millions and millions of prostitutes, he set out on a journalistic campaign that he called the maiden tribute of modern babylon. he hired salvation army girls to pose as prostitutes, you know. and he bought a girl of 13 for five pounds to prove that it could be done. went to prison eventually for doing so, even though it was a test case. anyway, when the maiden tribute articles hit the london streets, w. h. smith, the biggest distributor refuse to carry them. said the articles were pornographic. there were riots in the smith that people grabbed copies of the paper, went from the press. they had never seen such frank sexual content in print ever. and it caused a sensation. and it caused huge outrage. so before you know the criminal law amendment is rocketing its
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way through parliament, nicknamed stead's law. stats a lot is about to be signed. one parliament can stand up and said should we do the same for men who have met with men? oh, all right. good idea. so they put into law and criminalize homosexuality in england until 1957. stead never intended this. but 10 years later stanislas said oscar wilde to prison two years and led to his early death because of the cruelty of hard labor. stead was one of wilde's few defenders. but he said if anyone is guilty, there would be a surprising exit is from winchester, the most elite boarding school to other prisons. and he met oscar before he died and said i hope he understood i was never one of his assailants.
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but again, one thing can lead to another. so i can great we are all on the titanic now, it's the first day. the titanic had stopped off on a limb and then headed off across the open sea. and everyone is having a wonderful time. the orchestra plays. to ship this and splendid. everyone is having a wonderful time. the wireless room is receiving iceberg warnings but ice in april is not at all unusual. the practice is to sail at full speed until it was cited and negotiate around it. wonderful meals. another person from my neck of the woods was william who grew up in a town not far from where i grew up, and he joined the british army and had no money and became a steward. this was his first voyage on the white star. but without knowing it he was very related to a distant cousin upon the deck.
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so everyone upstairs downstairs titanic story. white star decided to make the turkish bath one of its showpiece communities, and they decorated like something out of the arabian nights. people thought that you could lose weight in a turkish bath. one of the popular thing she did at the beginning of the in, there we see me she knew that on, it printed out a ticket of your weight. if you lost five pounds from sitting in a turkish bath the within go back for another 11 course meal in the dining saloon. and perhaps you would follow it by a dip in a saltwater swimming bath, which was a real novelty on a ship. some of the german ships had it. they let water in everyday but he did it, just so, you know. tanks on the boat deck heeded the saltwater so it wasn't freezing cold when you went for your dip. so by sunday, everybody had relaxed into a great sense of
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contentment looking for dipping in new york on wednesday. one of the biggest excitements every day was the betting pool. i did research and i think i'm the only book that explains how the betting pool on the ships distance actually work. that was a bit of excitement because they posted times the ship was doing. it was doing better on most days that it's sister ship, olympic. and it was this hope it would be the crossing record. they were not the fastest ships on the sea. they were not trying to set a record. there is evidence they were trying to beat the record of the olympic. so sunday night of course the famous dinner party took place hosted by george and eleanor wiesner. you she is in her famous pearls. injured for a quarter million dollars which in those days was real money. she's invited archie butt.
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some of the philadelphia main line friends, the carters, the vp of the pennsylvania railroad the his wife was a celebrated beauty. but she was also a little trouble. she had been in switzerland getting treatment for nerds and nerves in those days being nervous man that you had some mental issues. but she and archie butt, according to a letter she sent president path i reproduce in the book, they completely bond. she described to the present letter as if they met in a past life. and never before have two people coming to such content. he said i was just like his mother. he poured his heart out to him. archie was still very nervous and troubled, fearful of the coming election campaign and didn't have the stamina to go through with it. so it is a very momentous day. and, of course, everyone testified later that captain smith left the table by 8:45 and that agrees with second officers
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testimony because smith came on the bridge about that time. they looked through binoculars and a new that they have decided the ice around 11. smith ordered the bridge be dark and so the lookouts could see better. and he said if anything is the slightest doubt, do let me know. they had remarks it was a pity to see would be so called because the brakes would -- the ways would not be breaking against the burbs. then, of course, as you know famously, look out fleet of in crows nest suddenly cited a huge dark shape up ahead, prendeville, called the phone, iceberg writer. first officer murdoch had also seen it. he thought they were going to miss but then there was a grinding jar on the starboard
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side, which, of course, was the fatal blow. if it had hit it straight on people speculate it might have survived, but by scraping along the side it managed to breach more than four compartments. the first four compartments were sealed and watertight, but beyond that they were not. the first thing to realize it were in border six about a glass of water and then charged through the watertight door. as it was closing, the ship was divided into 16 watertight compartments. but beyond the first four, the center of the ship, the bulkheads only went up to the bottom taking thomas andrews, many books a the andrews, the captain called anders, but it seems clear that andrews was already down below finding out what had happened. and he saw in the mailroom mail floating from male -- the mailbags loading.
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they got two hours in 40 minutes. i think largely due to the efforts of those aerobics stokers and engineers who stay down below and kept the lights on and did much to keep the ship from sinking more quickly than it actually did. so the order for lifeboats was given after midnight if you see people going up the grand staircase with those cork life belts over their dressing gowns and over their fur coats. and, of course, arthur was from around the corner, again, for me. it a big house on jarvis street which is millionaires row in toronto. and the huge estate on a lake north of the city. even into another canadian named thompson, one of a bachelor trio called the three musketeers, thompson said the order is for lifeboats and life belts. he said you tell hugo ross, another member of the bachelor trio, that he has come down in
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this entry in egypt and had to be carried onto the titanic on a stretcher, he said it will take more than an iceberg to get me out of my bed. and that was the last that was heard of hugo ross. but it was an hour after the first sighting him after the iceberg struck before the first vote was lowered. you can see there's only 20 people aboard. women couldn't leave without their husbands. they didn't truly believe the ship was sinking preparers were told is simply a drill. they were putting off the boats until the ship righted itself. but by 12:40 even after the first but was lowered, frank, archie butt and if friend clarence moore are still engaged in cards in the smoking room. they know they're getting iceberg, but colonel gracie wrote an account of the titanic that it was as if they wished themselves to be a oblivious to the danger. it wasn't until they walked out of the smoking room that they saw people and lifeboats and
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since to have serious this was. before long they began firing rockets. and, of course, white rockets at seeming only one thing but people said they wouldn't be firing rockets if it wasn't serious. but then the husband would say, you can hear the band play, listen to the orchestra. ragtime tunes were drifting across the deck so it didn't seem all that serious. as you all know there was a ship nearby, very likely the californian. they could see the lights of the ship. it was a fighter that had shut down in the ice. the men on watch, the captain, the radioman, had tried to warn the titanic but was told to keep out, keep out, shut up. so he'd gone to bed. most of them had gone to bed. the captain was told that they were firing white flares and said signal them with a morris
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land but it's a very long story but i won't get into it all, but be that as of may, the california never came to rescue. 1500 people died. between 1:45 and 2:05, everyone knew the ship was sinking. by qam ships propellers are rising out of the water. and, of course, some men are still not panic. they think they can swim for. canada's richards -- richest man was seen taking off his socks and shoes. he thought he could swim for. captain of a hockey team at his boys school, his sister, ethel, for years had visions of her brother floundering in the icy water. and, of course, those people are believed to swim for, their bodies were never recovered. we now know that vigorous
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exercise in freezing water only increases the effects of hypothermia. you actually die more quickly. at about 2:15 the water went crashing through the glass dome over the grand staircase. the titanic as we know broke into between the third and fourth tunnel to every new recruit asians of exactly how it broke into, and it's believed to have broken in three places. this mapping they've done recently of the debris field that shows even more about the sinking sequence which i won't go into. but 20 men in the swimming to this overturned lifeboat. among them, a 17 year-old son, jack. and, of course, -- and then died less than a year after the disaster. the real hero of the story i think is of course captain of the ship many miles away.
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he responded immediately, as soon as he got the message. is wireless operator was just about to go to bed but still had his headphones on when he got the message. he raced into action and he said that hospitals on board and made hot drinks to syndicate everything to get ready and raced through the night with lookouts posted all around the bow of his ships, dodging icebergs. got to the site at dawn only to see 18 lifeboats bobbing. described it as a ship of sorrow. almost everybody had lost someone on the issue. it's clear that many of the people were suffering from what we now call ptsd. but lucille unfortunately didn't help her case or anyone else's very much. she decided to be nice to have a reunion on her life. she been on a lifeboat that could've held 40 but which held only 12.
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and she wanted to post a picture and have everybody sign that life belts as a souvenir. and in the lifeboat her husband had promised each of the crewmen a fiver to replace their lost kit, a gesture, and handed out promissory notes to these men. as this later became the biggest scandal in england following the titanic, because newspapers reported that the millionaires though, they a range for the own private boat. date not rescued any of the drowning, and then they bribed the crewmen to keep quiet about it. the newspapers were filled with this story. 40,000 people clogged lower manhattan waiting for the arrival of the rescue ship with only 712 survivors from the 22, more than 2200 who had been on board. window seal and her husband got back to him when she described in her memoir, the train station when they stepped off the
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lusitania, read about the titanic coward, they rode away from drowning. you know, it ruined her husband's life if they voluntarily agreed to appear before the british inquiry to try to clear their name. a were exonerated by the she said a great deal of the mud stuck to us both. and it ruined -- she claimed it hope under -- she claimed it helped her business. ships from halifax or steam to the site but at least one ship 330 bodies were recovered in all, 119 were buried at sea. the death ships as they were called came into halifax, bells tolling. horse-drawn hearse is pulled up to take the bodies to a temporary morgue. the 150 people who couldn't afford to be shipped home, whose
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families couldn't afford to ship them home still live in halifax. the grave of the unknown child which always has flowers and balloons and toys and things on a. and recently, they did dna testing and found that this was a 19 -month-old baby that was found loading at the site, and the men actually paid for the burial and for the headstone to be erected it will be found out two years ago who he was. the baby was 19 months old sidney leslie goodwin of this family, the goodwins, all seven of them died. they were in third class immigrating to niagara falls. none of them survived. but the goodwin family, whom relation to the goodwins, came to the rededication of the monument in halifax and said lived as an unknown child but we don't need to put his name on the monument. and in the recently also given
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to the halifax museum of the atlantic were sidney goodwins issues to a policeman had actually taken them from the corpse and later donated them to the museum. and help identify the baby. but they are a very poignant momentum of the titanic but what i look at them to remind me of the most poignant moment i had in doing the research. we worked endlessly looking at the footage, ken could've done every day. every bit of rusted metal was in front of him and i said i think we've got enough pictures for the book. no, no, no. there's always more. so we did this endlessly. then one day when i just about had it, we came across this picture. and others like it. choose lying clear where bodies had lain. underwater organisms had beaten the bones and body and clothes, but they were repelled by the canyon and the leather. so this today was a very clear sign that the titanic was indeed
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a great site. and recently i was visiting my mother in the same town where lucy grew up. we drove out to a town just north and found the graves of thompson beatty, the man who would, one of the three musketeers from winnipeg, and found a plaque on the family grave. he was one of the last bodies found. he was in another submerged lifeboat with two crewmen still wearing his evening clothes and his life jacket. his hair had gone white from the sole but it was a month after the botanic had sunk that this boat was recovered. he was buried at sea but the family put a plaque on his great. i also visited frank's grave in of course bridgwater where he is buried, and all the other stones are slate as you can see. this village in washington they
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erected a monument. president taft was so moved by the loss of archie butt. they erected this mountain in memory of archie butt and others. so this past weekend i think we're all reminded of the scale of the tragedy of the titanic the this is what 1500 people look like. that's how many people died on that night, just over a century ago. when walter lord finally wrote, he delivered his introduction for the discovery of the titanic, i asked to ponder what is the meaning of the titanic. and he said the titanic imitates the pattern of tragedy in our own lives, from initial everything is fine, to then growing awareness that something is wrong, to denial, things can't be wrong, the final
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horrified acceptance but we all go through this in our lives. we see a reenacted on the titanic over and over again, always in slow motion. so it's this connection with tragedy that fascinates us in hard about the titanic story. thank you very much for your attention. [applause] >> i realize i've gone on way over my time. as long as nobody is dying to fleet and will still, look at the book to get don't have to buy one, but come look at one. if you have any questions, yes. [inaudible] >> all the third class passengers immigrants or were they all so non-immigrant intraclass?
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>> well, yes, there were far more third class passengers who died with her significant numbers of men who died from all classes. but certainly, that's part of the reasons gordon almost all the class were in in the. class antagonism was running very, very high because so many more third class passengers had died per capita. i have the numbers in the book to what the ratios are. i sure you've seen in the newspapers in the last few weeks. and yes, the gates between third class and the other classes were closed for much of the night. they were eventually opened. they were opened to let third class women up on deck. then eventually they were late opened for third class were as well. so there indeed is truth to the fact the old song says, they kept them down below what they were the first to go. it was indeed some truth to that.
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this story is more layered and nuanced than just that. they thought come you see their passengers come when they arrived in europe they were kept at ellis island to be inspected. it was thought than the third class at more diseases. so as part of the core and dean process. but third class suffered much, much more. yes? [inaudible] >> no, what used to be called the presidents park. it's right outside the south lawn, and they're used to be a roadway. first of all in the book at a picture of it in 1913. but then now it's got barriers because of 9/11 so it surrounded by various but there's a lot we can go and look in the south lisc michelle obama's vegetable
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garden. so people walk right by and they said nothing about the titanic and nobody knows who archie butt and frank millet were. so people, the park rangers horses drink at the fountain. but other than that nobody knows. what it is therefore. >> the man was so busy transmitting cable that he didn't receive or receive but didn't reason this news about the icebergs. >> yes. receiving messages all day and many of them -- the second officer is a good person whose testimony we have to go on but he tells that the last message from the californian was not posted on the bridge. we only have his word to go on that. we don't know for sure. but there is certainly the story that when the californian gave us a message that they were stopped and trapped in ice, jack phillips, senior radio, said
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shut up, keep out. he had all kinds of passenger messages. the wireless room at the time was owned by the marconi company, marconi who invented wireless, not partnerships navigation necessary to they were supposed to transit messages to the bridge and they mostly did. but according to others, the key message that they're just about to enter, huge ice deal, never got to the bridge. [inaudible] >> are we vanilla ice cream in the cafeterias, the brick you can never be moved, and they teach swimming to all the
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freshmen. >> i heard this story. and i don't know, i mean, -- >> it's a beautiful. >> yes, i know where they have the collection. that bust of frank miller, that's in the library as well. [inaudible] >> before 9/11 face of people owing in. >> really? >> i enjoyed your speech. [inaudible] >> i'm from canada. we think you pronounce things wrong. >> this is absolutely my favorite book this year. >> lets you. >> absolutely fascinating. i want to get the idea of what kind of material you researched and with renault to recruit and hire conversations as was give such a vivid account of the dinner parties and caution, et
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cetera, which really brought the story home. and secondly with your detailed knowledge of the characters on board the ship, would there have been anyone such as kate winslet's character? >> well, people say, you, you need between the third class, love affair between a third class -- [inaudible] >> the character of rose, sure. there were quite a number of independent-minded women on the titanic. helen churchill, of course was far too old to be rose but she had a shipboard romance with a very handsome sculptures of some. she was in her 50s, and he was in his 40s. not quite as dramatic. they had a shipboard romance and called each other and she later wrote about in a very romantic way. so they were indeed a number of shipboard romances. there was an english man who
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taken part in suffrage demonstrations with the famous suffrage leader in england. so collectively i think you can come up with a sort of spunky, independent-minded young woman on the titanic. no one precisely like that. and, of course, the likelihood of a boy from third class having an affair with a gripping first class is highly unlikely. but also i would say it's a movie. without the romance which all have gone? no. [inaudible] >> one of the most -- smoke stacks that fell over. so would have gone up or donna brothers the lifeboat under a couple of lifeboats up in that area. >> they were trying to free them, that's correct. >> and perhaps they were cut. perhaps that's why the smoke stack fell when it did. >> i don't think there's any evidence that they could ever have cut those.
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they getting onto them as they were trying to -- that overturned boat i showed you was one of the two englehart boat. they were stowed -- stored upside down. they were desperately trying to cut the lashing but i never heard that they did anything. when the ship broke in to of course the forward deadfall and it did fall, not seen john jacob astor as has been claimed, i had that in the book. anyone else? >> can i ask you, the best rendition of the disaster movie wise, which was better? >> to get james cameron is a do, i think the way the ship looked
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is astonishing. he has re-created the look of the ship, i think, incredible -- i've not seen the 3-d version, but certainly the way the ship looks, the way the rooms looked. he had the ultimate stickler for accuracy. so it looks absolutely astonishing. of course, it's a movie. there are lots of inaccuracies in it but there are and walter lord's version as well. i'm very fond of a night to remember. it's more documented. there's beautiful cinematography in a night terminal. and i shall and i look at a recent i saw james cameron had imitated some of the actual scenes in a night to remember. perhaps as a kind of a mosh or perhaps elected. prep comparing the two, which is more accurate? i suppose night to remember is more of a documentary style but it does have quite the invented characters.
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anyone in night to remember is intended to be a genuine character. so i guess in terms of accuracy, it is more accurate of the do. but each have their merits. i'm kind, i have a soft spot for the cameron movie. it just interest his own people in the titanic that i'm willing to forgive it. julian fellows who made the tv miniseries was lambasting cameron for its lack of accuracy. i didn't see the holsters because i thought it was so bad. but it was filled with inaccuracies. so how he can accuse cameron of being inaccurate, i don't know. >> the movie with barbara stanwyck? >> yet, 1953. they have everybody on board standing like a welsh choir singing near my guide to the. [inaudible] >> i like that character.
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they tell the story, although the making -- alfred was the boy who became 16 on april 14, got his long pants and said i'm a man. we didn't go with frankie goldsmith and his mother when they got in the lifeboat. frankie was only nine. got into the collapsible see or got invited. yes? >> ask you about the person of interest also. >> i had to limit it. people say that he was a scapegoat. and he was. he did step into the life life -- the last lifeboat. to me he is a hard man to like. he wasn't a very likable person. and there certainly testimony
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that he was urging the captain to go faster and to get their head of olympic, or beat the olympics record. he was quoted as saying will get into nuke on tuesday, the to the olympic in testimony by a passenger who overheard this. so there is evidence that certainly ismay encouraged the ship to go faster. [inaudible] >> he became reclusive. his wife said the titanic wrote his life. luci said the same thing about her husband. we all have our favorites. yes? >> first of all, i loved your presentation and your delivery. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> my question is, are there any, is there any recording of
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remorse or good deeds by people who may have felt guilty because they didn't leave enough room in the boat, or, you know, should not have escaped because -- >> survivor guilt and so on? oh, yes. i mean, there's a huge number of them more than average number -- of suicide among the survivors. none of the suicide seem to have anything to do with the titanic but there's a lot of ptsd. the man i mentioned who wrote one of the better accounts called the truth about the titanic died before it was published. it was published in 1913 to according to his wife he would call out in his sleep, get in into the boat. get them all into the boat. that's a very dramatic story. and there's certainly others. the tragedy that happened afterwards, they only had one son and he was killed in a car
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accident after they all survived the titanic. the family in montréal, a young family, and nursemaid took the baby, the one you oh baby into a lifeboat and the family believes that she never told the mother because the mother ran around with her two year old daughter, very wealthy family, looking for the baby. when they realized he had gone, the lifeboat had all gone and the whole family died, and the father's body was recovered but never the mother or the two year old lorraine. we found a doll's head on the ocean floor. this doll would only have belonged to a very wealthy girl. the only girl in first class to die was the two year old. so we speculate, could it have belonged to little lorraine? but then the one year old brother was raised by the aunt and uncle and died at the age of 17 as a student from poisoning.
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so i mean, the ironies and tragedies -- a guy named andrew wilson has written quite a good book called shadows of the titanic. people is to introduce into complementary to my. he goes into more detail about what happens to people after the titanic. it's all about the afterlives of some of the people. i didn't even talk about dorothy gibson, the previous grow on board, the silent screen star. shed a whole incredible career after the titanic. so the our, i mean i have a few friends here, people who study passenger lists say they have never found a passenger list quite like the titanic because you can say welcome any ship, the lusitania, others would've had a similar group of interesting people because the people who traveled by liner. people who study these things told me they've never found a passenger list quite the equal of the titanic. one passenger said it was i think a collection of beautiful
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women and splendid men, you know? gordon said it was a small world. all these coincidences, this gathering of people that happen. i mean, we don't believe in fate or premonition or any of that. and get all these very curious things came together on that night 100 years ago. and i think it's what fascinates us to this day spent did anything happen to the crew of the california for not helping? >> yes. he was censured by the british and cori. i think the only person who was. he lost his post with the line that he worked for. and he ended up hauling potash of chemicals or something to small ships. when he became the toys all over again and mounted a huge campaign to restore his
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reputation, and his son tried to do so after his death. i think he died about 6162. today there's a whole band of titanic buffs who defend captain lord. entities any but the californian you will get nasty letters because i didn't go into the californian controversy too much in the book because i didn't want to do with all the crazy lord -ites wanting. that wasn't what i was about. countless books written about both sides of the californian controversy. people really defend, field has been made a scapegoat. i don't think you can get around the fact that he never woke up, even woke up the radio operator to find out what was going on. he didn't want to move. so i'm not a lower died. -- lordite. any other questions?
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[inaudible] there were venues on the titanic and so forth. [inaudible] are there ways to tell how you prepare the? >> that book that i did, and have no financial it is immoral, but lasted on the titanic has a menu and recipes created from those recipes, and people to have dinners but i've been to many of them and i can type of food needless to say was very good, but i challenge you to try to eat all 11 courses, prepared all 11 courses on that last night. for the à la cart restaurant, for the day that was heard to the famous widener dinner party and the rich restaurant, we had to simulate because we did know, there was no menu from that. i passenger remembered that they had quail from egypt and fresh peaches and what else? i forget? but she mentioned what they ate that night, we created a menu from the. we also know the food them was
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very much -- scotty inspired. that pallet cleanser, the whole procedure, so we followed that protocol. but i think if you get the book on amazon. [inaudible] >> the auction of titanic items. one was a >> the auction of titanic items. one was a menu. i think castrated rooster. >> i don't remember that. but i don't remember that, but -- we don't have menus for everyday of course pick some of these are actually found on the bodies of people. and some were shoved into peoples coat pockets, you know, on the night. but you can buy that book, last in on the titanic him and it has a lot of history. for instance, third class at the main meal midday pick an evening they just got a hearty english
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tea. so their main meal was lunchtime. then they had a tea at 4:00. so that was just one of the many class differences. evidenced by the food. yes? [inaudible] >> the fourth funnel, yes. [inaudible] >> yes. so people could say wow, look how glamorous the ship is. how can you fold and when there is no smoke coming out of the fourth when. will people figure out it is a fake? >> no, the smoke kind of went back which. i had somebody right to the globe and mail which is like the new york times in canada after my book was reviewed and said, how could, hugh brewster not now that the fourth funnel was a dummy. and on his book and that illustration, you know, he is the fourth funnel with steam coming out of it.
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surely everybody knows. so i was very tempted to write, you know, i am not such a dummy as to not know. so i wrote saying i am very surprised our learned correspondent didn't recognize the famous 1912 illustration, which is used for its charm and is buried and drama, not for its historical accuracy. however, the fourth funnel my friend is not such a dummy, nor am i. i felt like saying. you know, it was used or exhaust from the kitchen, from the hospital. it had a very useful function. and actually all photos, all the files have high strung up the side through which steam wasn't it. and after they were shut down on the last night, steam was seen shooting up from all four finals. including the last four. so indeed it was designed to make the ship seem like the
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german liners which were for stackers and to see more bigger and grander and so forth. but the fourth funnel was put to good use. it wasn't a complete dummy, nor am i. well, i think, are we out of time? i mean, it's lovely to have all these questions. maybe if you want to gather around the table, you don't have to buy books but i will be signed them and i will answer more questions and chat with you all. if you have complements like my friend here, i am all ears. thank you. [applause] >> for more information visit the author's website, >> well, when things we like to do at booktv is previous some up-and-coming books. and joining us now here at the book publishing industry annual convention in new york city is
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author robert sullivan whose new book coming out and set timber 2012 is "my american revolution." mr. sullivan, what did you do to create this book? what was your thought behind it? >> i don't have many thoughts, but what i did was, well, i spent my whole life drawing up a sense of time, living in oregon where my wife is from, but pretty much growing up in this landscape and hearing kind of vague notions about maybe george washington did that here or that there. i remember running a marathon and saying no idea where the hills are and the valleys are. at some point i start to put those ideas together. the landscape, and the lost history of new york, can they be
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put together. and so i went to look for the revolution in new york and new jersey. the revolution in the 11:00 news rooms weather map of the new york area. >> what did you find? >> well, i mean, growing up you about boston, the tea party. emerson wrote a poem about it. all the stuff about virginia and virginians. and so you can attend to think new york didn't have much to do with anything. but i discovered that it all happened here. it all happened here. i kind of want to start a battle and say yeah, yeah, i know this siege of boston and all that, but washington and the continental army pretty much, you know, jabbed in and around
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new york city which was british controlled for pretty much the whole war. so then it becomes wow, why did they can't there and not here? what did these hills matter? that's the most fun question for me. in the whole world, what did these hills matter, what do the hills have to say? >> one of the things you did here, there's a picture on the cover of you in a rowboat, was you escape from manhattan. what was that about? >> i did. i escaped from brooklyn. well, everything with me is a long source i apologize. basically i try to write about the weather and how it affected all the various battles and also people talk about providence and god came in and dropped a bomb. but then went back and look at the evacuation of the troops
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from brooklyn to manhattan after the very first battle of the revolution, which was in brooklyn, new york. washington -- their preacher was going to be in manhattan but it was in brooklyn. after the very first battle it is bad, really, really bad. to washington and the guys say get out of here, they run. they run to the middle of brooklyn sort of down to the water. they are sitting there waiting, and overnight under the cover of fog and other things they grabbed every vote they can and they evacuate to manhattan spent across the east river. >> people are moving to brooklyn, not manhattan. maybe we can stop the. anyway, so the effect was pretty much every vote they find the they get over there and i have a lot to say how that went and how history books say that when. but ultimately when i go back to this place, what the tide would've been doing and what they do today and how those things are essentially the same.
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it's like the greek philosopher, the river is the same because it is always changing. the river itself is an example of how we perceive history. so anyway when it went down to go do it, i found it is pretty much illegal and that would not be allowed without several state permits and a lot of harassment from -- it would be illegal for me to get in a boat and evacuate my army to brooklyn. that would not be allowed, which is, you know, and which is problematic. but i figure a way to do. i actually found some community voters, and community building, committing boat houses are a big thing the last 20 years in your. people take back the water. there's a revolution happening on the water. i went to a boathouse, the boathouse at the guy who helps out our boathouse, he used to reenact it every year.
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the cops gave him a hard time, the coast guard gave him a hard time but he does it anyway parts will win out and we enacted that guy's reenactment. so i never have to wear a week, probably a bad thing. >> what did you learn in your evacuation from brooklyn to manhattan? >> in that evacuation -- >> that you are tying into the american revolution, the george washington. >> well, i guess i would say, first of all, the idea of revolution, at the time of the american revolution there was this thought that we refer to back to our british citizenship. we have the right again that we once had as british citizens living in the colony. there's that old idea. about for me, and there's the initial idea of the calendar,
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the almanac. revolutionary almanac. the colony almanac capped types -- kept the tides and lunar cycle but people kept him and bury them, after the war, the first mention of george washington as the father of our country is in almanac in pennsylvania. so that tells you that washington is made the father on this very landscape, this new york, new jersey, connecticut landscape for many ways. its name from washington as in upper manhattan. shortly after the war began, anyway, the thing that i really discovered was that with concentration and with no week necessary, you can look into the season, and even though it
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sounds crazy, and kind of see the path. you can go down and look at the tides, and how that then relates to know. so when you go and look at george washington's lookup will, and i did the same with my daughter with signals. we re-created a signal point that washington would use during the war. when you look at those signal points, you see -- there is a plaque that george washington was here. there isn't a black. [inaudible] at the very same site, the first war look at, probing other things into i don't know but. at the very same site, if i go there today, to love is going to run the city, i'll find plaques or memorials to 9/11 because
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invariably people in this town, around the city, went to the same sites to see manhattan, just as washington or his troops might have to see what the british were doing, because natural viewpoints, naturally inclined to go to these places to see about our place in the world. >> a lot of visitors to new york city. where is one place that you would recommend viewers are interested? >> go danwei take the ferry to the statue of liberty, and to look for the spot in the landscape, kind of over staten island, a hill in staten island, the highest point on the seaboard between main and somewhere down in georgia. if you look at that he'll andy bloch out all modern conveniences, you are seeing pretty much what, say, general nathaniel greene saw when he saw the british fleet landing,
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actually at bristol of top down trees, right or she see the same exact view to what he did spend final question. i wanted to ask you about the ships that were here in new york. >> the prison ships for me, fascinating story. more people died on the prison ships than died in the war, in battles of the war. so after the battle of brooklyn, the british picked up everybody they captured. they put them on several old ships that was in between the brooklyn bridge, between the manhattan bridge and the williamsburg bridge. in the east river. they kept putting more people on. they were not just continental soldiers, but they were slaves who ran and didn't turn to the british. there were spanish sailors,


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