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proposition 13 was reduced everything. public edution has ried , univeitiesni lles d h v vrong y educational systems that were ranked among the top of the country in california. they have fallen down. there are nowt bottom, stauheey't er paul talite s tus a mi op for whom english is a second language. very a expensive. money isn't there. these people are underserved. i r --heea thop toromwn. if you just did only that and did not reduce for the taxes for businealora,
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eshaenthis l mey fce erces t middle-class people need. .. bitrocoax . t tarajy, iclywiap g
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tax reduction, inheritance taxes, all of this goes to not only thea y , enf t ey,ve s,y? got all the tax relief, and then government if you bail those folks out who really don't need it becse they do havehe pe,ld,he dha e me t p pee ieo y. that's why they're rich. they don't need it, okay? um, but because all the relief went to those folks,ert arnd nsarv, degometa l, eyo ie position. teachers, you know, libraries closed teachers fired, you know? at the end of the year, ny, many teachers just la o, u ow ghemv
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tta bga ths tee b ht moisth the middle class has to learn what its interest really is. it's very, very complicated because you n't see, you know, lototca. kno l einyow, lv tovenol bu really -- but are really important to the overall standard of living. you know, housing and health care, these things are now very batotthhe lessnd ovi to wita yw, prosper and to really live a decent standard of life, it's got to be active inll of these catoa s oucn,sen heth msunsi,ke renerte an d hat ts a f shake. more and more people are falling out of the middle class, headed
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towards the boom. plby% at to morendo ine tpozation. i think the middle class has got to figure out the opposite thing which is really to raise itself uphhlio i si mhaat compromise of, you kow, just accepting the political leadership as is with alltsprms ofpa nag, rviod at. u t pt pic th lrsfoe%. you've really got to ford your own 99% leadership, and that is ing to look very, very jesoit missouri, and
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the many other cities visited by our local content vehicles, go jeyobsnisu ren yo c at bookexpo america to talk about his new, upcoming book, "the oath: the obama iteous v. supre c." toin o oe e srtf obwhhoanehe emurgh now? >> guest: you bet there is. this is a moment in american history where we have a liber co ain ieafueesident and a h w aomam of that conflict? >> guest: well, the most dramatic that we have already
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seen is the citizens united case, e cahere tco gi t cigut i broader sense it set in motion a ocess of deregulating american campaigning. 20tafheondr vid ere idac supreme court to their face, and samuel alito in the audience shook his head and said, "not true." abhce itsn itwanc, d you saw that conflict. and, of course, the healthare case is perhaps an even greater nflict between the conservatives on the court and e amira. osele'i t tew. almmec tbo
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esn't come out until september. the health care decision could come down any monday in june, right? >> guest: rit. itltaeded b on june 2th,bu en to >>t:ist wr okis >> guest: yes. i will rush to complete the book is basically written at this point, but i will be able to includehe health caree. inti,w td estn? g: oue ci onrturn the individual mandate which based on the oral argument seemed to me, anyway, the most likely sult. you know, nincehe93 t fus liet anr cervere ur u have you, would you have -- i mean, that's the closest parallel to what's going on w.
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usekes ea h w. a ensiow fr arndhets reelected another four, he's already appointed two supreme court justices. >> who's the next like retirement? >> gue: itarder to ll. tct 0 pp, as brt atidte j p evwe going to leave. that was more or less an open secret that they were on their way out. it's less certain hin io , tiauut r bus er heo s8. she's in good health, full of energy, no -- has often said that her idol, louis brandeis, so lad he wasndh nee h tgh iccaea old,
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justice kennedy, 75 years old. once you g into the upper ch when you leave theoour sowosa it r wobe ntst e. d,o,lila b part. ruth ginsburg is going to be a lot more interested in laving if barack obama is president. scen wreeam n,ue keo end r idth o presidency. >> host: is there such thing as a roberts court yet? >> guest: absolutely, ablutely. the story of the supreme court is the story of american politicsn a nutshell. caus toe, thegg lot het 2 y oln puanty ra republicans dominated the united states supreme court for decades whether it was john mahall harlan in the '50s, poer srt t '
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s pl he , raonin t de a. modern republicans are gone from congress, and th're gone from the supreme court. samuel alito and john roberts reflect themode rebl rt cossnoe he ittasue c t m ter court. it is a more conservative court than william rehnquist ever left. boouebenbey ca >>stdo bos cedeh, d bs wth the story of the botched oath that everybody remembers so well, but none has ever really told the sry an i , innok teinor i, t lset u ewo
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protagonists; barack obama and john roberts. and the parax is that the man o clmed hedida ha tuprt icola t be the baseball umpire who didn't want to change th rules have precisel reversed positions. it is obama who is trying to ral ngch ti t ur >> guest: well, it all begins with a misdirected e-mail. melo -cajots and his staff vy rt yt culywre he gotoid he w ath, very carefully had his staff e-mail it to the congressional campaign, theonsi inauralomee
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roevrwdt a presint-elect's office. so obama did not know how roberts was going to divide the oath. and ifou seehe se e us ope rebexpdm t,ob v uncharacteristically got flustered, and that was the problem. >> host: do they have any kind of a personal relationship? >> guest: none. none. juonte.,rly eye f erld ben r lives. both they are about s years apar in age,oth are products th northern indiana, sort of in the outskirts of chicago.
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both are products of harvard law school, both are products of th rvarla rew h rrnd t g dr grr tan similarities. >> host: now i don't know if you can tell us this, but did john itrurheirokk toyou for "he ," ao t th jce spoke to, but i did say i spoke to a majority. >> host: and, jeffrey toobin, besides the health care ce wh areouoood t shp ayeon neerll enormous as well. affirmative action, the future of affirmative action, the enusor.ity of tes case teht ati o coue wi b
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and there's one other big one. i'm so focused on this term, there's one other big case coming up next term. ng rst, bai' rr'lav e itor nbo i n for this book. host: we've been talking with jeffrey toobin -- >> guest: what the heck is that thd case? >> host: well, when you think "tth o wse by doubleday. you can also watc mr. toobin regulay on cnn. thanks for joining us here at exer uxtmhe01 inesin umks a her tprising in libya and the eventual overthrow of leader
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moammarmo gadhafi. this is about 50 mines.h [alausun leju cfy m erkior t chicago tribune, that was many years ago, but it is i my bio,ao and thank you for mentioning it. [laughter] my historyand thanyou for mentionit oder alom nisardnk qadhafi presided over libya from 1969 until 2011. the longest period approval of any postcolonial arabr. beedn ele guide, and the brother leader. he steered a ship of state that anmaghwhati t hse t s operolth ory in
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gains aofrders of libya, thstor whe inf naihi december 1988, which claimed the lives of 270 people, including 189 americans relingseite cey akeaon aes and hoping his mass of weapons of mass dection l tar igdleiise, rdte expectancy of his people, using oil revenues that allowed him to avoid the perils of foreign debt. nonetheless, with the arab itn luary fervor.e
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eight months later, in aimbcagnd011, assisted by a onpidy took control of libya, and executed gaddafi, opening up a new chapter in libyan history. during those eht mths voonliy i maou rpsolb, adheto write the book that we are here to talk about today. "sandstormlibya in the time of to ancr sehi s l pecep news
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hour, cnn, and nbc. she s covered the major conflicts of the past two decades, including the warin iraq, kosovo, d aghis, isiesancnlid ciheocinnd 2 srt from egypt as well as libya. her journalism has won seral inatl.mtcluding an emmy and sen n om nas atse ls [applause] [applause] [applause] >> okay. tag t rtii ip tegla year. tell us about how you were ae to navigate the country, how sources coopatith e gan, a ten ote aty
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rvndtewth em adon to providing a compelling narrative on t doev ndprfhe ,tve returned to liya lp br erd retihaan ictn di pe. >>anu mfo coming. chicago is an amazing place, and it doefeel like a vry long le, arri is whentto ursm o. it was the most extraordinary time. it was a time when history was
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happening all around us. we still don't nwow ths orhisol usar. i enoer a ktag east for about 20 years. li twoco off. vebls ua.a enbyta,pt ted forth. egypt was over in 18 days. but you know,ibyawashe th leader of tunisia, it was as
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if he hijacked the state for a while and then now he i no r. i yte weav cedt . yegro up in the air. gaddafi was like the spider at the center of the web. anenretiluti cut tweawa s zin iya. t oac go here. i have been in egypt and then we went overthe border to libya. i say we because i am a television reporter andw we o wal ft border, a big sign in english
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that said welcome to free liya. there was a young manhere who pet. ld l ab. bana endor of bullets around them. he seemed to be our guide. we droveu,wih s nton city. inteou, th grbr tta o the greenback wa gaddafi's mat oshy.
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thasinib symbol. what this gentleman did is filmed his friends doing that. thte éthwas e 11 hrsd w evalhe n a cut. by then, e had done what he needed to do. he put up the pictures on his facebook page, and he also put up his name andhnm inrtin a,l hin. w,t y e. werbrave. his father had spent a lot of time in prison for opposing gaddafi. hadn sodis fheat sohey rode a camel. gaddafi's forces gave up. very qikly.
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r peceii meg ed oi. libya was enclosed, it wasn't north korea, but it wasn't far off. journalist that women tended to go in an iniegaddi. ma, wno lotoakfone esopereptt lk u lha uteeyte gre accommodation, and it took us a long time to convince the driver we should pay for his services. "sto iatpleror in ierefs me uradf be able to tst anyone outside the immediate family. four decades of onerelatives red p, uerpeop rcednto ile. bodyad bn ab tll thet heretieo --
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civil dibedience, fighting and so on, athy nto e bowa sfwirdy sts, tist ve d o. >> okay. talk to us a little it about what you were able to lean from pe were rul by i ouddm he had a habit of presenting himself to the outside world in a rather flamboyant way amsuy you itsno o se himself, but there was also a custom eleme. bendtue bo
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mayuhr ihus idabstrand he tou odn doic, n you know, how he saw his role as an arab leader in afric and the errab rld. >>isy reg to okthwo vicfe dd of ts ivei phra wwr on i e s so t government buildings after he fell. you see these pictures of him when he seized pow in 199 hew yar l, w nd, asri ri an oodtgv lis lot of hope. they had been ruled by a king until then. he was known as the reluctant monarch, because he just didn't want to be king. it didn't it i peveirnto pe akadlnbehind. upsets this handsome young
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officer. you look at the photograph, he loves cats. as me ges on, mor andmo amntmes s arakna rm with medals over here. yowulde hitnat looearca robes. pictures of aica embroidered or printed on them. he had this extraordinary sense that hli i bve hlf to ev thwa invisible. he said when people ask you libyans before,ople s ba liat th gai.
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vee fou this guy, who was something of a joke on the world stage, they were humiliated by his presence in many ways. ey fel h d't alty nde, they watch shows -- rlithows ono elns ins. their shows was gaddafi, youae the wind this week. gobye. ghte hen't lisae pndhae e n he people.
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there was awo invnted an arybc hsn nesl, retiycmesfil well. afr-a as there. lrshi so nobody ever quite new where they were. that was part of hi best part of the plan was that nobody should ever ow wre they are wad't k wt at bsey al hecithe going to calculated from the birth of the profit. an ced n olyda an id
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au. quals id not know what day it was. that is a whimsical way of ruling, which i thinknger op t thta, e exrdy alasl. let me tell you about the brutality. that is such a key thing. when i got to the city, i saw on ce oe tiallwl h escs en mas.haeye h d was that it was a prison massacre. and i -- feel se dnnow ou o. is h signature atrocity of the gaddafi machine. i don't think many of us knew about it. one of thethings i am proud of
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in thebo hhawo ewsso mse sthaend freely. in the '90s, there were a lot of opponents of gaddafi, and they tended to be imprisoned in pe wdyofan aron whwr sick, brighton for better conditis. theyhought they had a deal to ti. hapda thtteyre rdnt courtyard, and soldiers were positioned on the roof, in 1270men were gunned down in cold bod. 1270 e. okeeur or 0 a. t3:.m
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june 28, 1996. i went to the prison,o hv a . i tgemaer yein ison. he told me how he looked out of his cell window and saw the laws of the courtyard turning red with blood. en i heard about hs,tis ou shier ifiduntahi ul ustabt libya. i asked if i could meet some of the victims families. and he said yes. i stepped into this rom and i waexino eal ep ofs , er but 15 or 20 women on the side. the same number men on the other side. each of them were hodi up photographs of the husbands or
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otsront thercopte ie athe w extraordinary. an old man came forward to tell his story. a small guy, traditional libya hed as otin. d se gupoio ero ontoake in food and toietries. the guards would say you can't see him, but leave the stuff here. weid thatfrae i belve that. fourteen years. i have been in lots of countries that people disappear anpeople are tortured and terrible things happen. i haveever beein a cntry whtheieu arng edh
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that really haunted me and it ciasn lth,eunts me still. s hete pls edo gaddafi. they have tried rising against him before, and they have failed. itas certainly tunisia and whic would trigger h ben po hearts since 1996. it could never forgive him for th. >> the elementso afi's thretdesof ay alitrs tam time, it is not widely known or written about in the west, at let, that as i ioin m nrucon
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meab,ioven aiansliving during the 42 years that gaddafi was in power. for exame, t literacy rate wentfm 1%tovhi thfeecy ib crd7yato77 ediod inef sice my question is, as you are traveling the country, a perhaps libyans felt free to speak aut gaddafi in wayshey haven't felt fe before, d orreio t ckndg orhas e tali ossofhi rule so
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overshadowing of things that these other factors real weren't on people'sms soup.chede hie w w wkeor ala called him the guy. he was charismatic leader. she adoredim. sts.avl eews -- idt tsds id twas other-in-law. she said it wasn't him. of course, some people benefed from his rule. a lot of libns, you know, tht gini sor heidalsets buenng changed. one of the things he did was he kicked off the oil boom in the 1970s. he was the first person to say to the western oilpes is gngug i
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hen' blink. they blinked. that was a forerunner of thoil crisis in17s ey oi58, they were only just beginning to work with it. most of all, they were nomads. it was a verpoorp thgd,y e ec osh chenldveood on. one of the people embodied what i think a lot of libyan s gu woathe copper happens. he bangs them out.
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hed 1969, he loed and he went running out and showing his sport. ch ttee riba rl atexy apne d skwhadmha smn he said in the 70s he would go home from work and people would say don't go down that street anmewaninthne a, he s wlking and men grabbed him, and heended fitinefthe o ue w tri
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czechoslovakia. if it is something that libya does not need, it is desert. oralpen thety, believe e edios g t lgsn like that. i think at many of the people who ar oriinally supported m.. they were disappointed. also, his sons, they weremply i. m sedco ak d ihe w od cno n a all the companies were run by his sons. one of te sons,h emd
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msaserodce ay ai ita tsot could play. normally, those teams play millions to get to play. but is guy plays because he wanttoy. as oy oe any ho rre . boasowo mo famous than gaddafi and his mily. when he was angry with a particular soccer tem in aun hau dond r an adpu prison. those kinds of things, indian, overshadowed any good that gaddafi had done in the early years. during your reporting trips thfeftenteutnan voen t country.
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in which the united states, britain, and france were at the forefron can you tell us, and you write about this in the ook a little thntcit iol vo. liyuwttat ec b a vote by the arab league, requesting, and also on aot e'ion with the u.n., anda yo view.e s why did nato find it opportune to become involved in libya, b hant o hesa yi >>daidhe m ndftthd. ade nd africa because he had uite a few african states that he sponsored. the arab leaders really hated him. anngittyi tause ea
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yoown'ol aur] wmohappt ge d im he was seen as an embarrassment for stern countri, the aplise hiibcuof at osoen t e o issues. others try to befriendad there was a guy in benghazi at the time,tcutr lt reyick dt. re t t ut t ri a the
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others from gaddafi's hands. willavet tell t dos th l that. they had never picked up weapons before. they didn't know how to fire em. i came across one boy who sad, i w bs hat?o i said so what are you going to do and h said i will wait until the bit comes. i said hello to you? he said i m enrdyssa d urheow a ee ug] ais, sry d me. i said she won't be veryproud of you if ou go intobttle thitsiro y thert t. wgeg edk
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hanlon said he would fight house byu. tepole said that he was prepared to die as a martyr, people knew that he meant it. heas going to go through with it. ha c iul ba rgexotoeypt. i think he would probably have a war going on to this day. then, of course, libya is so
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simple. it is a small population about six my peole s dese inteot o hoa dsah csteo roads. the main fighting waalong the coast roads as well. militarily, it was quite simple. he didn't have any friends. ofsedispoktsye anr g i ahogenous society as well. now, syria is shaping up under cti oromariansr 70% rule by minority. govnm, d,spening is that the sut aui ia and
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other gulf countries. it is shaping up into a regional battle, d there is a get da tat ll althss. thav g lfo dd b it went though to protect civilians, not to change the regime. ant no g t b that ws- a edin lhapp thr go h western countries go in and start changing regim. that is not the way the world anou eheun un. chen b mreou evaybeki ere acale time. sectarian strife is increasing. the danger is, the ae oing
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to beils onothd yees neen, e gsen worse. itt st hseems to bestuck. onli trtcta the limits and theories that we will see a logan brtawr s. w ltok tianenwiak ess tuinc gbao ou haesadthmeteutfo libya. next month, if things according to plan, there wille an election in libya is naal f, t caed a publi nfce ipoi ri
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teab, a constitutional -- i'm sorry, a constituent authority. they will be tasked with writing or drafting aoio rendll tn tto pse rt r,rel general election, so all of these officials can become elected by popular vote instead of ths th hoy.n. t dsd,sn t >>ngk outibing o for libya, what is your sense, of course, we are not asking for prophecy, but what is your se diul tliaed pe.antedya >> well, you don't go from monarchy to a dictatorship to a
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deachan io erigh eye r a er orer gaddafi. all of this is new. you have a very weak central governme. thre eoou er e rn s really made up of old men. so of them are academics and business people. some are lawyers a tngke . ma oeme ieieeists es fniee ch s university. the boys who picked up guns, they don't want to lay their guns down, and thais partly because the centralsuc weab, sd
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they have never had ts their whole lives. that is what they learn how to . thweaspoewo were gaddafi loyalists. different litia groups in different times. they sometimes fight each other. on o a hr iry vrgsio 2.5 million people are registered to vote. some of the towns have had their local elections alady. people are mad for voting they a really keen on it and e deerfo me odontore a ew ees. l ha is quite prosperous. one of the people i me said that our reaprm ishat hea ada
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grwti it. cue.reti ieie. there are people who want a islamic state and people who want a seculastate. thats a mar e. ec-paent ed to compromising. it's the same thing about women. women participated in the revolution, they were not there fighting, but theywer yowoho a her
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headscarf. shde ieniecked hen hd she had a pretty bad time. you will have to buy the book to find out about it. [laughter] now, some of the men are saying thank you very much, ladies. woulyolikeo go me n no swo asyn. saer w ote experience to take part in politics. and she said, youy t ve eshetemeth esar edli society. thleh upset them.
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guwnao y, there is a bunch of ay ll d'tk . f e -- it is all very fraught. they have the oprtunity to get it right. as human beings, theyuu reupn'ey aur] >>y. hv utesanam tliy d ap etaouuss s, sir. >> it is intesting that saudia arabia and kuwait have avoided thconfctua. instn upf s er ou tjutr ig ccar t ndta difference? >> it is a fundamental difference.
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basically, saudi arabia has a shia anunippatio hhamoat, usey v re. e nsioaven t down. the reason they e putting put downs ak sthonr eye nnppl n t e qrter has been given. the same weekend that na pe dotrt t in libya,teui rn. e ss retem ondhe wa g appen. that is what they say. iibth wanumberore questions?
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of high-profile journalists that were killed. can you spk of the danger of coveringhese types of events? >> yes, it is increasily er e ycles,y ch nim were in ms. rodda. it was under siege and they came in by and as ed dd thon time. it is getting more dangers to my b. the ,gernmen nw aton unr n tssen g targeted. paris was my friend and she was
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wehk e sard wo months o rns. r rterst report, it was from homes. she wrote about howhe government was sharing a cilian area in what the ildr wergointug e wre t the io sewteidows -- it was one of the most beautiful and moving pieces shd r e. arehenyerfr ti ayll'de ha fomiodanso >> is there a nonfiction author featedn oku'd li toee -ml tvan, weust
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tem/tv >> what are you reading this summer? booktv wants to know. >> there are two wonderful books outnoourel-a is wngonhes wog heer.rnis david maraniss is working on another biography at tim d e ets ea byioolihiia at worth reading. walter isakson's book on steve jobs is a perfect exple. phenanthgoeg on reg?e cutl ueiad etiy, actually. i read a wonderful book written by a british fly fisherman about his father in worldar i
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callblot m inoue48 aiumnd ac ro thurmond and dewey, fit election after the war. i'm reading the book about george bush and how he decided to go to war. mye inisd cer go gndolie at i read a lot of magazine stuff, a lot of essays. i read, i actually opened up a little correspondence with a et bthe onha aulfet h e herkbo toiny,soe a ttlexchange, and that was ite gratifying. i don't pretind to be a great writer. i am engetic, and i'mret od metis,ut treat ervein wt inls ifes. anhe sereats
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t >> here's a look at some books that are being published this week. potica coultantme rv a picls anen enh gus wee fi.thail a t in "the long walk: a story of war and the life that follows," former u.s. air force officer exenisngeds ysician and author analyzes the impacthiv/aids has had on west africa in "our kind of inesnchyincontinent's challenge, exes cin iividuals and companies flourish during periods of disruption. guy lawson recounts the sto of sam israel, theargeof a


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