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rockymountainhempassociation.org . >> i am a member and i forgot to introdu introduce susan. this is a colorado senator who put force the earliest efforts. linda and jason can speak to this better. but a day to see farmers cultivated commercial hemp must feel good and thank you f. >> how much of the market is driven by the prohibition? ...
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you can't make any assumption that way but the curve of demand is not only so strongly upward it has me been reached that malfusian where it takes off yet. the canadians are desperate and the processors in canada are desperate for american farmers to get the seed planted because how much the demand demand is going. at least in the foreseeable future i believe farmers will see profits growing seed oil and
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effect winds up stabilizing keep in mind a 100-dollar profit is more than twice of what the average american farmer is making on soy profit. even if that stabilizes the energy independence i think hemp is here to stay and it is true that this is the new industry for the u.s.. one of humanities longest utilize plants as an industry. most industries fail. most new industries fail. we can't guarantee this is going to be an automatic success but hemp is not new. the benefits of hemp i mean the persians call it the king of seeds. i don't want to lay the dash my own spiritualism on anyone else but if you are a religious person genesis chapter 1, the first chapter of the bible, first 29 says you shall have all the plants and seeds to use, not
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unless some dude named richard nixon comes along and says there's a couple we don't like. thank you all. [applause] >> thank you doug. doug will be happy to sign copies of his book at the front desk. >> who should i sign this to?
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pepperdine university's angela hawkins sat down with booktv to discuss the pros and cons of marijuana -- marijuana legalization. this interview is part of booktv's college series. >> host: the book is called "marijuana legalization" what everyone needs to know. it's published by oxford university press. one of the co-authors and editors is angela hawken who is a public policy professor at
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pepperdine university where we are on location. angela hawken is this book pro-or anti-legalization of marijuana? >> guest: neither. if it's written by four authors and that is what is the genius of oxford university press bringing together four different opinions and together figuring out what the evidence base is. the problem with issues surrounding marijuana is there are such strong advocacy groups on both sides of the issue and when the public reads about it they have no idea which direction they are being pulled into. >> host: where do you stand personally initiate? >> guest: i was hoping you'd wouldn't accept that now that you did in chapter 16 of the book each of the authors was required to basically declare the subject and for many academics it's an uncomfortable thing to do. you don't want to show your hand
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in and research we have provide as unbiased as we are able to set of perspectives. in this case the four authors i was the one who was most in favor of there are one or legalization until commercial legalization which i think was surprising to many because my background. >> host: why are you in favor of? >> guest: as i said in the chapter my drug of choice at cradle anglican had my first drink of wine and when i was 13 years old during communion and a irregular consumer and reasonable and safe consumer of wine. my drug of choice is alcohol. for others their drug of choice is marijuana and in terms of social harms the social harms of alcohol or dominate the social harms of marijuana. as a policy analyst everyone wants to see the laws handled more equitably and there wasn't a strong case for anti-marijuana
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use in the face of rolax laws surrounding alcohol given the risks of alcohol use and the harms are so much greater with alcohol than marijuana. the question didn't ask me which "cnn" has done to a number of my colleagues is have you used or are you a user. you are the pro-legal one so clearly you are a user. my team had been working with the state of washington and we would ask the question often argue users and who is advising the government? for a while the position taken by the team is simply not to answer the question. there's no good way if you are a researcher to answer the question are you a pot user but i'm willing to tell you today in spite of the fact that i'm one of the four who is most in favor of marijuana legalization i am not a user. i really do come to this without a horse in the race and someone who looks at the data and is concerned with what i have seen. >> what's the acceptability of
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marijuana use in the united states and maybe even hearing california? >> it's unclear at the time and this is why we seen such strong -- and political rhetoric surrounding marijuana is changing. the latest result that i saw last year the change in the meantime peer recorded findings from the summer of 2013 looking at where the public is on the issue and at that time it had changed by now but 50% of americans were in favor of legalizing marijuana. when you have a majority the public supporting something like that politicians have to pay attention. politicians tend to be rather fickle. the language surrounding marijuana use is changing and california did not pass marijuana legalization when voters want to pull in 200010. it was not passed in by an narrow margin net loss of the two states that passes the book
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has been out planned a release date surrounding the time of the book going to the voting polls. we were surprised. my co-authors thought the state would not tip. we sell washington and colorado move in the direction of legalization. >> host: when is it going to be on the ballot in california? >> guest: you know i believe the advocacy players are in california and 2016 and for a few years now it's been the chatter that the big push for marijuana in california would be 2006 and that would be an important election year. i'm surprised if other states of move in the meantime. california will be a laggard state in that regard. >> host: who smokes marijuana in united states? >> guest: was stunning number
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of people smoke marijuana. they prevalent use is three to 4% globally. americans have a much more aggressive taste for marijuana than that. we are running at three times. >> host: so 10%. the. >> guest: nl last year 13 million americans smoked marijuana. most of them about a third of those were people who we call the experimenters someone who will really think of it as being something quite radical. they have the drag and a smoke of puff. about a third of that as people who are the unusual experimenters. it's not a way of life for them and that we have a relatively sizable share of the population who are social smokers. they will smoke once in a while because they have peers who are smoking and is really another way of life but there's a group of people about 20% of marijuana users for whom this is really way of life. they spoke every day or every couple of days and some of them will go want to have an issue
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with abuse or dependency. marijuana is different from some of the illegal drugs in terms of abuse and dependency so if you look at people who are regular consumers of marijuana for example people who use every two days or more often and daily users or every two days, about a third of marijuana users who use that much meet clinical criteria for abuse or dependency. if you take a drug like cocaine 88% meet the clinical criteria for abuse or dependency so the typical heavy user of cocaine is dependent upon cocaine. the typical user of marijuana is not dependent on marijuana. which i think does differentiate marijuana from some of the other drugs in an important way. >> host: how does that compare to alcohol abuse or use? >> guest: until my senegal and marijuana in terms of use and abuse are relatively similar. many people use alcohol every day or every three days.
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every couple of days i'm going to have a glass of wine. those ratios look similar to marijuana and alcohol in terms of how many people going to have a problem with use. that's not to say it's an issue. some people really do meet clinical criteria for dependency and abuse whose lives are unproductive and they are not able to get things done. they self disclose is having tried to quit and haven't managed to quit the people who do meet those political criteria even though they are a minority have serious issues and trying to move on to a life that doesn't include the use of the substance. >> host: angela hawken with a medical marijuana laws is that i way around legalization and punishment? >> guest: at the jerry's depending on the state you are in. in california it's essentially if you went to venice beach is notorious you could look at the long list of ailments and they will tell you what to complain about and he will meet with the
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recommendations in a few minutes so essentially it's become a very easy environment in which to obtain, essentially legal access to marijuana. but the legalization of marijuana and that commercial legalization is different from medical marijuana and that it really allows the production and sale of marijuana for nonmedical use, for recreational use. in the book i describe medical marijuana in detail and my concerns about medical marijuana according to the california model where really they -- these doctors have made a fuss. there are some people who have serious medical issues who are turning to marijuana for relief. they turn out to be a tiny percentage of the total number of medical marijuana users. about 5% have what we would consider diagnosable reason for carrying a medical marijuana card. the rest are probably people who enjoy amusing -- enjoyed using
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marijuana. as i said i'm in favor of legalization side no reason to be unhappy about that except i don't like is somebody who is willing to lie to a doctor to obtain a card has no problem where someone who does want to make those false statements does. i think it creates an uncomfortable system. i have some real concerns about how it is played out in some states. >> host: what kind of tax revenues has california garnered from medical marijuana and what are the early results from colorado? >> guest: colorado has been fascinating to watch. the last few months we have seen taxation results released and advocacy groups from the beginning were talking massive tax benefits in many states looking for additional source of
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revenue is very appealing. in some of the states the idea of marijuana legalization being a cure for problems sounded very appealing. the initial estimates most of us thought were too high. the tax revenues would not be nearly as high as the advocacy group had implied. the results came out in colorado and the tax revenues were much higher. suddenly we were wrong in our understanding of this. if you look closely what happened in colorado in the early after when pot was made legal there wasn't sufficient legal supplies. supply and demand will tell you if you ever do supply and there's a lot of tourism. people came to colorado to use because it was the first movement around it so a lot of people came into colorado. there was limited supply so prices skyrocketed.
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there was an artificial blips surrounding the law. colorado itself has issued statements saying their protections for tax revenue in colorado aren't nearly, not nearly as rosy as the initial data suggested so my guess is that tax revenues, there will be tax revenues. they won't be nearly as big as initially predicted an part of that is because of reductions in price. as morris produced and as the producers get better producing it we are likely to see downward pressure on prices. some of my co-workers believe there will be a sizable reduction in plummeting in prices. the nature of how marijuana is produced and running a business in general there are natural costs involved in any sort of business operation that will keep the price is higher than we might have suggested in the book. it's one of the things we should have -- [inaudible] >> host: is there an
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association with crime and marijuana? >> guest: it's so interesting. the association between drug use and crime is muddled. all the criminal literature and none can show a true causal relationship between drug use and crime. the idea is there a many reasons why people might be involved in crime and drug use at the same time. some people commit crimes to finance their drug use. marijuana is an expensive so the economic motivation for marijuana users isn't especially a compelling argument. some people might commit crime because of the physiological response to the drug and somehow the drug makes them predisposed to commit a crime. the evidence in madison very good and the drug that comes closest to that is methamphetamine. the physiological relationship is slight.
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the lip laboratory experiments were with mice and they would load up these mice with methamphetamine. you have to give mice near lethal doses and they don't behave all that differently. what happened with marijuana users is there with aggression associated with it. much like with heroin users if someone uses heroin the guy in the corner goes to sleep essentially. the causal uses between drug use and crime are complicated and often where the criminal elements as come and is sometimes the trade related to the drug rather than a drug use itself. and of course drinking and driving or driving under the influence is a crime and will marijuana legalization lead to an increase in drunk driving is an important question. someone like myself who says i've might be willing to see legalization play out would quickly change my mind if i see results from washington and colorado and they show an increase in drunk driving or more partly if the results show
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marijuana and alcohol use together. if an increase in marijuana use is accompanied by an increase in alcohol use i will fundamentally change my mind on marijuana legalization. we will learn in the next few years. if many of us who are academics studying the marijuana issue want to see that result. the other issue is the controversial voice for many decades now is the relationship between marijuana use and other illegal drugs. is the fact that more people are consuming marijuana which is lacking the face of legalization will lead to higher rates of use of other illegal drugs, that could be a concern or is the opposite possible that an increased use of marijuana because it's legal might suppress the use of other illegal drugs? all these questions that we will know the answers to in a few years which is why some of us think if we are ambivalent about the legal -- legalization of marijuana you might learn a
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stunning amount for the future. back to drunk driving. often we get the question asked by a parent is it better for for me if my child drives stoned or drives drunk like the answer is better not let your children use any of the above if they're behind the wheel. it's much more dangerous to drive drunk and stoned. in other words driving under the influence of marijuana and alcohol is much more dangerous than driving either under one or two in isolation. relationship is a complicated one and i think we will have to learn a lot about before we understand where policy should be. a stunning fact was talked about prevalence a while ago, 44% of american twelfth-graders have used pot. 6% of them are everyday users so marijuana use is -- has been around for long time and it can
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be used in large quantities. we know very little about the influence of marijuana on the growing brain. brain science hopefully now that we have the states tipping will allow for brain science to catch up so we can learn about what stages the brain develop in the cycle is marijuana essential in a negative way. >> host: angela hagan is the marijuana being sold in colorado and medical clinics etc. isn't it domestic product? >> guest: most of our marijuana spread from mexico. there is high-grade marijuana produced in california so the high-grade the commercial grade is in the single digits thc level. there have been scary stories in the media about teenage levels of 40% and this is the marijuana that will kill your grandchildren. we hardly ever see those cases played out. most of the upper of the marijuana that's confiscated his
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commercial grade. it's low-level thc coming from mexico. >> host: that's the medical marijuana as well? >> guest: the marijuana would be produced locally. >> host: is higher thc? >> guest: was grown to make sure not only is there a known thc level but gracious between chemical compounds in marijuana. thc tends to get all the attention but there's another chemical in marijuana code cbd which reduces anxiety level associated with marijuana use. a trend that has been to increase thc and increased cbd which is why you see more emergency room appearances because people are using marijuana at higher levels of thc than typically used in the past that the cbd is suppressed so you can't have anxiety depressed -- and that is why we see emergency visits increase.
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>> host: in part of our series with pepperdine high school we talked with a public policy professor as well. he said he's been smoking cigarettes for 62 years and today would be easier to smoke marijuana in california than a cigarette in public. >> guest: i don't think that's true. he has a fun personality but it is. that's not a prescription. these aren't prescriptions made by doctors and if they were doctors would be held accountable for a higher standard of diagnosis. anyway i wish there was a prescription requirement. instead of the recommendation won't doctor recommend marijuana might be useful for whatever your ailment is at the clinic. but it's astonishing to secure recommendation and easy to find. >> host: angela hawken again this book what everyone needs to
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know about me at marijuana legalization do you take a position on marijuana legalization in this book collects. >> guest: in the book i say outright that i'm of the four authors the most in favor of legalization for the reason i suggested. the cost of the criminal justice system is astonishing, 750,000 per arrests for marijuana use. we are making criminals out of our relatives and children. there's a better way to deal with this than to the criminal justice system so i'm in favor of air while legalization. that said i'm in favor of evidence. if the early data shows this decision was a bad one i will be the strongest advocate for turning things around. it really depends on the data. >> host: how does the u.s. fit in with the rest of the world when it comes to legalization issues? >> guest: we have seen decral

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