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appointed her as the superintendent and it was a very important position in that era. she traveled about 65,000 miles during the first three years in office on horseback not at all like we consider today. so she was an amazing person in that way. also, she was kind of quirky and loved to dress up. she attended the inaugural and if she wore a $1,000 down and 50,000-dollar had.
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to contrast the amount of money that cost her salary by the public instruction was about $2,000. >> we are standing in front of the wyoming supreme court building. it used to be the labor rebuilding. it no longer is. it's significant of course and it has an interesting person involved with it. he was a powerful attorney in wyoming in the 1884-97 era and is significant in the state history because he was also the person, one of the people that defended the cattleman incident of 1892 and he was visiting court justice for wyoming. he was appointed to the united states supreme court and he was a justice who served from 1910
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to 1932. he was the first and the only supreme court justice from the state of wyoming. nathaniel robertson was a carriage maker here in cheyenne and originally came from aberdeen scotland and he was one of the finest carriage makers in the area and in 1882 he partnered with george kaufman as well. one was for alexander's one of the swan landing cattle company. and that was a large branching concern in this area and he built a trap and also built speaks to the elegance of the era. this is the way that people traveled more. they had abilities and carriages and have to make sure that it
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just was an elegant form of travel. i was new in the county and i wanted to learn more about the county history so i followed the same pattern and i wanted to learn more. i grew up in western nebraska from the wyoming border and i've always been fascinated with cheyenne in the west as well as they are very nice and genuine and intelligence and quite educated and that is a confliction people might have. they might make the history of a place and the people were so fascinating to me and they made significant contributions to wyoming as a territory and as a state.
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>> after words with executive director of the teeth party .net. mike gonzalez and his first book a race for the future how conservatives can break the liberal monopoly on hispanic americans. the cuban born former journalist explains the hispanic american population can be persuaded to vote republican but only if the party addresses the community's core values. the program is about an hour. >> i'm fascinated by your book in particular in the title you refer to what i think is the correct term of latinos as hispanics. i would like you to dig into that and tell me why you refer to russia put it this way how dare you break out of the bubble
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and refer to hispanics are the roots of that? >> it falls in their own way. the term is a product working in the nixon administration was all of a sudden faced with this big influx of new immigrants because it's changed in the 1960s and they one of whom were including me and my family by the way we came here in 1974 and it's almost like they didn't know how to handle but more important than that this is the aftermath of the civil rights act which was created for african-americans and the soon-to-be bureaucracy with many of the leaders and they want to
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get in on the act and so the bureaucracy creates for the minorities which eventually by the end of the 70s where african-americans, hispanics, native americans it seems the term is created and minority business and sets them apart and it does so for the purpose of giving affirmative action in and the government set aside. explicitly if you go back to the documents of that era. >> was that the government intend, was it activists outside of pressure groups on the government? what do you think of this manifest? >> the answer is both. especially the mexican-american activist who's written in the early 70s the countries
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second-largest minority is written among others and they wanted to mix them into one of the minority groups. i think we have to understand that the rank-and-file thought about this really hard. they didn't want to be seen as minorities. >> most at this time saw themselves as white. >> still to this day if you look at the census form the classifications have to do with reality. >> far be it for the government can have anything to do with reality. >> the government shouldn't be involved at all in the racial classification. the government should strive for a colorblind policies that we can have a colorblind society. but from the beginning it's been involved in the classifications so that comes to term hispanic. when i arrived and was informed
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-- >> host: let's talk about that. you said that you immigrated from where are the circumstances? >> guest: it was a horrible circumstance of communism and all that and then we went to spain at the age of 12 and came to new york. >> i knew there were other reasons. >> i tell people i was raised on the beam. [laughter] >> when i was first informed by one of my uncles it was going to be hispanics i was like what is that about? it was becoming american. today i see myself as a cuban-american. an american first. as a conservative america but
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also cuban-american. i'm proud of my heritage and lineage. in the future of the book to shine a light on all this because it was if it was written about hispanics and i have to use that term now because it's been created they just do not talk about any of these things so i want to shine a light on this and say we can go on about that later about it was a product of the bureaucracy in order to give affirmative action and other benefits to this group and other groups. >> of course the term hispanic is a very inaccurate term because in that generalization there are so many subgroups. you've got cuban americans or also caribbean but you also have central americans and then you have the oldest so-called hispanic group in the southwest.
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let's dive into that a little bit, the variations in the umbrella. >> guest: that's one of the worst things about the labels hispanics and latino which i hardly ever use and it conceals these differences and it creates this monolithic community. now obviously the fact that a guatemalan immigrant can i write here and communicate that's important but i can tell you arriving here in the u.s. we wouldn't see and act in time as a compatriot and they would have much more in common with americans who are not hispanic and she bled. so i think yes the language is a very powerful bond we both agreed area but are there any
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other ties? >> host: is the most among the subgroups that are there any other ties that you are aware of and by the way i have to compliment you i was inspired as a young man and he wrote a book called ethnic america and isolate your book as almost a improvement in that it does even deeper into the various groups that focus on latinos or hispanics. but i'm just fascinated by the way that you go to the history and it's not only diversity among the different hispanic groups but generationally there is a difference as well. >> that is a very important point. i go on and i looked into this in the future. take mexican-americans. to begin with it is a misnomer
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in many ways. some never belonged to the spanish colony of mexico. by the way the thing we have in common is we are all colonized by the powers. so that's a very powerful thing. it's a very different from the cuisine of cuba. the ethnic, cultural rage raid. but in south america they don't play baseball, they played -- when i went as a 12-year-old boy to recess i had to play with spaniards who have been playing soccer since they were born. >> had a bit of a disadvantage, did you? it was a humbling experience because i came out with a bat in my hand, so it was very
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important. i think we forget that the largest by far. they are by far the largest and the most important. the cultural imprint in the southwest to not be denied and has to be taken into account as compared only to the influence of the irish in appalachia in the south. i was just in scotland for example and you listen to scottish music and recognize that this music sound familiar to you and it's the same thing -- you go to texas and new mexico and colorado and it's the same thing. he's nothing without his rodeo or lasso.
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it must see many of the trades. mexicans have this very important in print and in many especially new mexicans can trace their ancestry to the 15 hundreds. i quote it in my book a race to the future and i'm very proud of that. he says one of my assistance crossed the rio grande in 1958. cuban-americans like me began to arrive in earnest in 1959 because of the communist arrival of fidel castro and it's true
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there was a migration in the 19 hundreds to tampa and key west but the bulk of the migration began faster so we have been here since the 60s. puerto ricans are not immigrants the state of puerto rico obviously cannot go well -- >> it's fascinating you talk about this in your book the duality on the puerto ricans and no one sends they are not as assimilated as some of the other groups that come to the united states. to talk about that a little bit. >> define these. >> you arrive and you are cut off the country of origin. >> i know nothing about this.
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>> many have gone back to look for the roots. traditionally many went back to sicily and ireland maybe once in their lives and they are cut off on the home country in fact some immigrant communities keep the traditions here but disappeared. they have traditions that have disappeared in the germany proper. >> i am a big fan of brazil and i want to be in el salvador and i found that there were some conditions that the transplanted to brazil had brought and was kept so much so that you have west africans coming to the reverse phenomenon to the cultural traditions that they lost. >> it's a very similar situation
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which is second only to brazil and perhaps only to cuba in having an important interest. >> a lot of people don't make that presumption. >> the number that emigrated particularly after 1959 after the rise of castro, was this a mix of cubans or disproportionate? >> guest: i have heard is that the cubans came into florida in the southern state in the segregated state dot the rights were not segregated but they could not stand being segregated by the former compatriots so many of them went up north and
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had a very important colony. this is something that happened in florida that said i'm going to be segregated. i grew up with that guy. the so-called in this country is very. i think the term hispanic, i don't like it origins because i don't think affirmative action has this. i'm going to hammer but she said that she said that the victimization robs the hispanics of power and i completely agree it is crawling through broken glass to succeed.
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with hispanics is it is the first time that they intervene and say we must help you and it happens because the time they come into the 70s when this idea that the federal government must be into everything. >> host: let's drill down into this a little bit more. tell us how the new classification and enabling hispanics or latinos to have access to affirmative action and benefits industry industry benefited even see themselves differently, how does that hinder the traditional process of assimilation? >> guest: withdrawals the line between them and the earlier immigrants and says you are different. don't aspire to what they did. and in fact, it's unfortunate that we've done this as a country coming out of government and our own institutions through roadblocks to assimilation. our schools where the melting
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pot happened, they were set out by the beginning. jefferson is very interested in education. he is set out to the university of virginia. they understood that it was there that the republican values needed to be taught. when they asked benjamin franklin would have you guessing and can you keep it we were very concerned about keeping the the republicans we felt the republican result of republican values would be taught at the public school level coming and they were untold some time in the middle of the 20th century serious >> the progressive era. >> guest: they made a try but they lost. but again the 60s now what you have is we no longer assimilate in the public school system and we no longer teach civic values.
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the values they teach is how to demonstrate and -- >> host: how to balkanize. >> guest: >> host: under the multiculturalism and the importance of multiculturalism. >> guest: and by the way, it is a very worrying thing. let me go back to what i said in the race of the future this is in the 19 tens and the 1920s by progressive. they wanted to have what they call to the transnational america which was a place where you would have different pockets come in different federation of nations is what they called it. they lost that fight to the assimilationist. what we have as a result of the country comes together and was
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able to fight world war ii. you see these movies from world war ii and brooklyn and they are all coming together to fight in the movies. these guys never gave up. this is what you see today. it's the same people but these are their ideological errors. >> host: i think it is an excellent point and i think it's important that we communicate with more and more. these are americans that were pushing this balkanization and coming away from the small republican values that sustained us as a country. >> host: mostly this is a homegrown move and this is
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something that isn't coming across because of immigrants. often times it is something that is given to immigrants. >> guest: that's the thing. they see them as agents of change. the people who want to transform america sees the hispanics as change. i make an argument hispanics can and should be agents for conserving traditional values and america's place in the world. we are seeing right now in the summer of 2014 what happens when america withdraws from being the leader in the world. hispanics, conservatives need to join the battle, join this battle. the subtitle of my book is how hispanic -- it can break the
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monopoly. we need to engage because hispanics need to be reached out. they can no longer just received the one message in the left and the description as a place that is so unfair that hispanics need government intervention and that has cut against usually those who immigrate to the united states because when they come to the united states they are not coming to a miserable nation they are coming for success. >> guest: they are attracted by two things. our liberty and prosperity. my family came here looking in the 1970s and to use us as agents of change to transform this historical experiment in self-government that has produced so much liberty into so much prosperity is something i thought i had to fight against
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so i wrote the book. they have to reach out and unabashed love still exists. we are a country of people pitching together. the only government official in it's a wonderful life was an examiner. it's about americans pitching in together. we have to say this is america don't listen to the liberals. give them a mobility message how to repair human capital and make sure they have financial capital in the account. >> one of the things you talk about in the breakdown by
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conservatives that have a vision that you and i share that we need to reach out to the minorities and latinos, african-americans and the like have always had a stereotype. this is a good stereotype created a belief in family values. they have stronger families and so on and so forth. when i was reading your book i found that they had been the case but unfortunately you are following a love of the trends that exist here in the united states particularly among my people black americans which is a breakdown of the family. >> they do have some fundamental characteristics. we know that for a fact. the immigrant hispanic
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statistics has a participation that rivals. would have what happened is across the demographic change is 1965. they had the culture that was presented to them. they have assimilated. >> they use the term downward assimilation. it is a horrifying statistic. it's very hyper hispanics. it's high for all the groups. for hispanics it is 53%.
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>> and that wouldn't have been the case of generation ago? ten years ago it was 29%. then very similar to the non-hispanic whites. legitimacy is a problem because it stands upstream from a love of social issues. kids who are born and raised without a father are five times as likely to drop out of school, nine times as likely to commit a crime and 20 times as likely to be in prison. obama talked about this a lot at the beginning of the first term.
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now he has the my brothers keeper initiative. he didn't talk about the out of wedlock rate which he needs to talk about. something that happened in this thing and ferguson that he had recently is when barack obama came out and gave his speech, people were attacking him for being like bill cosby. they had a lot of very courageous african-americans speaking about this because they understand that the family is the foundation for education which is the ticket out of poverty and is the stability. this isn't coming from the religious perspective. it's a pragmatic and economic imperative and the candidate
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barack obama had it right. >> host: do you think it was because the progressive forces tried to pull them in the other direction so you're blaming the victim i think is the terminology? >> guest: daniel patrick moynihan wrote about this in the 60s when they were in the low 20s. bill cosby is. barack obama needs to be more courageous and to talk about this and talk about also what's happening in the hispanic community. i talk about in my book it is supremely important. >> host: what groups among the hispanics have assimilated in
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the wrong way and maintained that traditional family? >> guest: i would say that they need improvement across the board. if you look at mexican-americans in new mexico, the family structure i think has held pretty well. >> and they are the oldest. >> i call it our mexican founding fathers that have been there since the 16 hundreds. they talk about it from the 17 hundreds. all of us have faced the problem that assimilation is no longer emphasized by the schools and
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institutions into the army. hollywood does anything it can to tear down the idea. by the way, assimilation does not mean abandoning. i'm very proud of my cube and ancestors and i'm proud of what they did in the cuban culture. >> host: often times it is a reaffirmation. >> guest: you have to respect the constitution and abide by the constitution. moving away from this to create a multicultural society creates many problems. >> and for the future of the country. i want to talk a little bit more about that as we come back after
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a short break. >> host: we are here with mike gonzalez raced to the future and i want to talk about that. a lot of folks have said that the future of america, the demographic changes and becoming a brown nation if you go into some put it we can either go the way of texas as a country where the way of california. you talk about this a little bit in your book during an analyst is that latinos were hispanics in mexico versus california. >> guest: i completely agree. there is a chapter to this
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because i think it actually shows telephone is leading jobs and california has i believe one third of the recipients in the whole country -- one third of the expenditures. >> host: less than 15% of the population? >> guest: texas hispanics do a lot better in a number of statistics that i talked about in my book a race to the future but in one particular area is education and that is between the non-hispanic whites and hispanics the gap is a lot smaller in texas ban in california. in fact california has the third-highest in the nation.
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>> host: is that because of the culture of california versus texas? >> guest: i think they are provided with laboratory experiences. south korea is a middle-class country, free democracy with high gdp per capita and a communist state that is terrorized. we had a laboratory experiment in east and in west germany and you can say the laboratory experience of cuba. marxism doesn't work and has been proven many times you have to be an academic or intellectual. i think that you have that dichotomy and californians moving to texas and not in the texans moving to california and i think that if you look at -- i
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go into my book as my death might be. texas has an older hispanic population. texas already when it chose the union in 1845 i be the one third is already a pre-existing population. >> host: we went to war with the mexican-american war and there were a lot that were on the u.s. side. >> guest: they were at the alamo. there were mexican-americans who fought on the texas side for the republic who should be celebrated. sometimes they are in texas. what you have in california is a pre-existing population that was much tinier and they get overwhelmed by the gold rush. they are not as important culturally.
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you don't often hear people in california saying my family was here pre- 1948. you hear a lot that say i can trace it and it goes back to the people in the 17 hundreds and that gives the mexican-american population of texas the ability and the cultural state which is important and this is something that i have a message to conservatives that we have to understand the important cultural imprint in texas, new mexico and the south west we need to teach this as well. >> host: these are not immigrants, they made the west. >> guest: exactly. it is of the anglo-saxon spanish united states and mexico and we have to also teach this -- we
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have to teach it to the non-hispanics for sure but also hispanics because that will give them -- if you give someone a sense of ownership they want to conserve and as i said before the progressive see hispanics as agents of change. we need to have them as agents of conservation. >> host: and reinforcement of the values. >> guest: you are part owner of these because you helped create them. you have a stake of conserving them for your descendents. i think it that is a very important thing we need to start doing. >> host: they have become agents of the balkanization. speaking of the progressives looking at the minorities in general as agents of change we
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talk about texas versus california. talk that the political effort if you will of turning texas would be blue in the future. >> guest: they are investing a lot of money in texas. they have a long view of things. this is a long-term thing. it's not about the midterm election of 2014 or 2016. it's about what's going to happen the next couple of decades. as somebody that wants to conserve the country my family emigrated to and who wants to conserve this experiment are people governing themselves, i want to make sure that we conserve american values.
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the gap that we have it is an outrage that we are confining hispanics and african-americans to put the schools that do not perform. we have a dual system in the country we have some schools that function extremely well in the suburbs that you go to a suburban school and what you see is like tv. they are really partnerships volunteering if something needs to be paid for and school doesn't have enough money. he kept going to school for a metal detector. >> host: huge bureaucracies that separate from the education. do not let people escape this.
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the unions are dead set against school choice which was high among hispanics. hispanics are very worried by losing their chill for an two that peer pressure. they want to make sure they will do whatever they can to put their kids in a good school where the peer pressure is going to be virtuous. >> host: i think that is why the school choice movement and the charter schools and the explosion of the charter schools is extremely popular. >> guest: personally we fought hard to go to a better school. we won that fight in miami. i went to a better school than the one that was assigned to me in my own personal fight for school choice. and i was better off for it. we talked about how they used to
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lie about the addressed opinion a better school. we shouldn't be forced to do these things. buying them of breaking the law, fighting the bureaucracy to go to schools that are functioning. it is a travesty that we can come sign so many kids to the non- performing dangerous schools. >> host: and it's not just dangerous schools not performing. even when they perform well often the type of information and perspective that they give is a total diversion from that again small republicanism tradition. talk about that agenda that's going on in our schools. given the multiculturalism. >> host: >> guest: they want to transform america and make sure
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that we have a country of different cultures and different societies. people do not immigrate to be balkanized. they want to succeed and they come in for economic or political reasons or both. they want to see the children at the and the grandchildren in society guy and do well. what is being done in their name with the c. scope and multiculturalism it is again another travesty which is different from keeping kids can find in the schools but it's also something that we need to. we need to reverse this and speak out for the sake of the country. >> host: i often say to my friends in the conservative movement that are very yet pretends it's about the
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so-called comprehensive immigration reform. if we close the border tomorrow completely if we had a magical way to completely shut down the southern end of the northern border of these problems of multiculturalism existed before the immigration rush to. >> guest: i do not go into the issue of illegal immigration for exactly that reason. the argument that we have over the passions that we invest -- by the way, that it is an important argument to be had with people here illegally. we need to something of the border. but the leave no room for this other debate. you are right. if we closed it today and did nothing about the multiculturalism, we could lose our country. >> host: even the demographic changes that are taking place within the country.
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these changes are not taking place is because of the border policy. they are taking place i don't know if i'm allowed to on c-span but they've taken place in the bedroom, not so much at the border. >> guest: it's taking place in the oval office, taking place in congress, and we need to be active. conservatives need to wake up. the race for the future conservatives have to join the fight and make sure that we understand what is happening and reach out to hispanics with a message of mobility. the right policies, the right tone conservatives very often use the right tone, some conservatives. they have to put the right policies as to what is important. how do you make them completely
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mobile and make sure the bottom quintile's i think you have a 4% chance of making it. >> host: that cuts against the grain. >> guest: it is a question of mobility. has mobility becomes stuck. have we stopped having that rags to riches story and i think that in the ticket out of that is education. the ticket is stable families. these are important matters that need to be discussed openly. people are afraid to discuss these issues because of political correctness. we need to discuss race and anything that is important.
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>> of abb than a racial dialogue that is more than a monologue and in terminating what has an exchange of ideas. i know you don't get in the illegal immigration but let's talk a little bit about how we can prevent the what i call the cultural suicide that's going on in europe right now because of the welfare state you need a new influx of people and of course it is the shrinking birth rate you need immigration to support the social welfare state but at the same time they are not integrating and assimilating in the same way the united states has been successful at doing. we also couldn't use legal immigration that we are breaking away from it so much. are we in danger of going on the path of cultural civilization
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suicide is of the way that western europe is? >> guest: is very important that we go back to how we assimilated in the past because it worked. if we knew how to do this and we had the knowledge and going back to what we used to be good at. i do be careful. my wife was born in scotland but nonetheless i completely agree with you. i was just there in a small town in the small island and i passed the church that was very pretty into the second time i realized it was no longer a church it is a community center. england, scotland -- i'm going to get into a lot of trouble for this. i think we need to see what is happening. the government of london is quite aware of this.
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hopefully it isn't too little too late. he was the secretary of education and the government he talked to him last year and was very lucid about what needs to happen and how they are not teaching them because they are emi monarchy but to have civic values and i think the family is also under threat across the confidence to the continent and in the uk and we need allies in the world. we need friends. and to me if somebody thinks in it's somebody that thinks in terms of the american national interest. i want us to have friends and allies in the world and i worry for that reason but i also look at us and worry. >> host: absolutely i recall a friend of mine is going to dance and they had a warning for certain parts of the suburbs that they have control over.
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if we don't go back and by the way it's important that we make the point again this is a home-grown problem and this is into being imported from central and south america. this is a problem that we have here. >> guest: people did become french and have for example a grandmother who was born in france and came to cuba in the 1870s and was seen as a french man. he spoke with a french accent and be used to know how to do this. it's happening across the west but they had a conversation with an old colleague who said people are beginning to slowly reach their roots so i do have a high hopes for europe.
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>> host: what suggestions do you make for conservatives that have the vision that we have to be aggressive and go into these communities and preach conservative values and the like. >> guest: we have to make sure we are speaking with care. they said i don't care how much you know until you care. we need to go in and explain how the various the policies have been pretty advancement of the mobility and how they are being kept. >> host: what you distinguish between the hubert humphrey progressivism clacks
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>> guest: they took the term and liberals are very good at taking the terms and trashing them like they took liberal and community and then they said this is a loser which goes back to the 1920s. i think that is more scary because it talks about multiculturalism. people talk about making this distinction between for example daniel patrick moynihan who we talked about the 20 wins back to the senate he became more of a liberal then a bureaucrat in the administration. let's talk about the things that will help. to explain what has happened with liberal policies in the
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communities we must be doing better and we should be doing better. so explain that and say this is no panacea for you. by the become if you are cuban, they have destroyed your home country if you are mexican-american, stay as -- statism and the corporatism for so many decades kept them more poor than they need to be because they have a lot of oil. these things need to be explained. we also have to say here are the policies. we have policies that will help stay together so we don't have these effects that a single mother faces when she looks at other promotions were getting a
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job or marrying a man who will be a good role model for her children. >> host: and losing any capital. >> guest: it increases over 100% sometimes. so, the effect of the marginal increases. it is getting that promotion into getting the job and it is being married to a role model that will make sure that her children are not tracked in that quintile is difficult to break out of. so we need to explain this and as i said, described in the america that i believe and where people pitch in together where
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we need to talk about the community meetings in new england and in the midwest. don't forget they came here with no knowledge of these things. so the social tornado that happens from the 60s and on makes it worse because we lack memories of this. that was americans and african americans still have and can go back to. >> host: the exception to the rule. >> guest: but we have so much since then. mexican americans have the oldest immigrants and the newest hispanic immigrants. >> host: do you see any sense of cultural tension between the new mexican immigrants into the older mexican immigrants?
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i'm curious to see if they just absorb into the older communities? >> guest: it's interesting if we can speak of the attention that a the father and mother emigrant who were easy and comes in here because as all immigrants come into the neighborhood that is not a very wealthy neighborhood and have to because of the policy has to send his children to that school he worries about losing his children to pathologies. and i care greatly for those emigrant parents who came here to succeed and they are being kept from succeeding.
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they have a high work ethic and a lot of that is put away within a couple of years. >> host: i strongly recommend that they've read the rest of the future and that we can break the liberal monopoly among the community. as we are closing up and your book is not focused very much on the comprehensive immigration reform. how do you feel when you have some politicians who bb that the only way that you can communicate to the community is to promote comprehensive immigration reform? >> guest: this is a gateway issue. to be honest, more people say that it is and an equal number of people say that it is not. i think that if you look at the
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polls come immigrants really think about economic success. education is always very high and hispanics understand how important it is for the success in america. it is in terms of the priorities. obviously the spanish-language community feeds on this and it talks about it a great deal. >> host: talk about the power of the vision. >> guest: they run it on a feedback loop. as you said if you close to the border today and do nothing about addressing the problems that i speak about and the country will not be better off. there is a problem that we need to fix in the comprehensive
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immigration reform or the border by itself. this is why i had to go to my book and left the debate. >> host: and i would welcome those to read read about a race to the future because you focus on hispanic americans and it's really about the american community as a whole because the problem i'm fronting every group including white americans. >> guest: it's about america. that's right. african-americans and hispanic americans are overrepresented in these quintiles the problems are much worse for us than do non-hispanic whites. >> host: thanks so much for your time. it was a pleasure. >> guest: thank you. ..
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