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>> every weekend booktv offers programming focus on nonfiction authors and books. keep watching for more here on c-span2 come and watch any of our past programs online at booktv.org. >> up next on booktv, "after words" with guest host niger innis, executive director of theteaparty.net. this week mike gonzalez and his first book, "a race for the future: how conservatives can break the liberal monopoly on hispanic americans," ended the cuban born former journalist explains that the hispanic american population can be persuaded vote republican but only if the party addresses the committee's core values. the program is about one hour. >> host: mike, fascinated your book, a particular in the title you refer to what i think is the
politically correct term of latinos as hispanics. i'd like you to dig into that and tell me why you refer to come are supposed put it this way. how dare you refer to break out of the politically correct bubble of latinos and refer to hispanics. what are the roots of that? >> guest: thank you for that question. i think both terms are in a way false in their own way. i think the term hispanic, for example, is the product of the bureaucracy. bureaucrats working in the nixon administration in the 1970s were all of a sudden faced with this big influx of new immigrants. because of the laws were changed in the 1960s, a lot of home were immigrants from latin america including me and my family by the way. we came here in 1974, and it was almost like they did know how to handle this multitude of people.
more important than that, this is the aftermath of the civil rights act which was created for african-americans and then all of a sudden the bureaucracy and many of the leaders, the activists of these groups also want to get in on the act. and so the bureaucracy create more -- for miners which by the end of the '70s were african-americans, hispanics, native americans and asians. so the term hispanic was created, it minority eyes is different immigrants. but it sets them apart from earlier immigrants, and it does so with the purpose of giving them affirmative action in government set aside. explicitly if you go back through these documents you see that this is what it says it does. >> host: was visibly governments intent? was this active within the government? was an act of outside pressure groups that were putting
pressure on the government? what you think? >> guest: i think both. the activists, especially mexican-american activists, there's a famous book written in the early '70s saying to mexican-americans, and they wanted to make mexican-americans into one of the minority groups. i think you have to understand that the mexican-american rank-and-file themselves is really hard. they did not want to be seen as minorities. they didn't want -- >> host: most saw themselves as white. >> guest: mainly due to the state if you look at how the box on the census form. by the way, these classifications doesn't have to do with reality. >> host: far be it from government had to do anything with reality. >> guest: right. government should not be involved at all in racial classifications.
government should strive for a colorblind policy so we can have a colorblind society. the government from the beginning has been involved in classifications. out of that comes the term hispanic. when i arrived and i was informed, -- >> host: let's divert a little bit. you say you immigrated here. emigrated from where? >> guest: i was born in cuba and i left cuba, you know, horrible circumstances, communism and all that. then went to spain at the age of 12 and two years later became mayor, new york, queens, new york. tell people -- >> host: i'm a yankees fan and. >> guest: i'm a yankees fan. but i did go to shea stadium a lot and to tell people i was raised on the fidel castro francisco franco -- [laughter] when i was first informed by one of my uncles there's this new term being banded about
hispanics and will be called hispanic. what? what is that about? on cuban. what i was becoming was american. tennessee was of as a cuban-american. american first. as a concerned american but also as a cuban-american. very proud of my heritage in the lineage. "a race for the future" my book, to shine a light on the list because a lot of books written about hispanics and the use that term no, does not, it doesn't do any of these things. i wrote to shine a light on this to say look, and by latinos by the way we can go on about that later but hispanics itself was a product of the bureaucracy in order to get a permanent action and other government benefits to this group and other groups. >> host: the term hispanic very inaccurate term because within that generalization of hispanics, ma there are so many
subgroups, cuban-americans, puerto ricans are also caribbean, like cuba is caribbean nation, but you also have central americans and then you have the old his so called hispanic group mexican-americans in southwest. let's dive into that. the variations within the big umbrella of hispanics. >> guesthispanics. >> guest: that is one of the worst things about these labels, hispanics or latina which hardly ever use is that it conceals these differences and it creates this monolithic community. obviously, language is a very powerful bond. the fact that guatemala immigrant can a writer and can communicate in spanish, that's very important. but i can tell you a guatemalan are right here in the u.s. would not see an argentine as a compatriot. and a guatemalan american would
have much more in common with americans are not hispanic if she would let's say a venezuelan. so i think that yes of the language very powerful bond. we both agree, but -- >> host: are there any other ties? language is the most obvious i am of the various hispanic or latino subgroups, but are there any other ties to your aware of in researching your book -- by the way i decoupled that you. i was inspired reading thomas seoul who i'm sure we both admire and he wrote a book called ethnic america. i saw your book is almost like, almost an improvement in that it does go deeper into the phrase, focus on latinos or hispanics. i'm fascinated by the we go into the history, and not on diversity it seems to me your premise of the book, not on diversity among the different
hispanic groups but generationally there is a difference as well. >> guest: i think it is a very important point and i go on, i looked into this deeply in the "a race for the future." take mexicans americans. it's to begin with a misnomer in many ways. some mexican-americans never belonged to the spanish colony of mexico. the thing we have in common is we were all colonized by a bearing power, either spain or portugal. that's a very powerful thing. the cuisines are very different. the cuisine of mexico is very different from the cuisine of cuba. cubans and puerto ricans share many traits, many ethnic, cultural, culinary treats. we both like baseball but in south america they don't play baseball. they play soccer which -- >> host: or football. >> guest: when i got to spend as a 12 year old boy, at recess i had to play soccer with with spaniards have been playing soccer since they were born.
>> host: a bit of a disadvantage. >> guest: it was very humbling experience because a cuban came out with a bat in my hand. but let's take mexicans americans. we forget -- time the largest of the groups. >> guest: 66% of hispanic americans are from mexico. they really are by far the largest and most important. their cultural and put in the southwest cannot be denied and has to be taken into account. i compared only to the influence of the scots irish in appalachia in the south where i was just in scotland for example, and you go come you listen to scottish music and recognize the music of appalachia. i was told what are my sons does this sound familiar to you? it's the same thing -- >> host: hatfields and mccoys? >> guest: exactly.
you go to texas, new mexico and to lesser extent colorado and it's the same thing. of cultural influence, accountable is nothing without his rodeo orders last of the user spanish words. >> host: cowboy came from -- >> guest: yes. that had is, i'm not sure it came from mexican hats. maybe not go there. that cowboy must be seen, many of the traits of the cowboy is his stoicism, his individualism. it can really be traced to mexican men. mexicans have this very important imprint, especially new mexicans can trace their ancestry to the 1500s. you talk to new mexicans. i talked to one, i go to my book, "a race for the future," very proud of that. he says -- the spanish confusing court who crossed the rio grande
it in 1590. cuban americans like me began to arrive in earnest in 1959 obviously because of the tom's arrival of fidel castro and have the complete -- it's true there was a cuban migration in the 1900s, in the 1800s, but the bulk of the cuban migration begin post-castro. we have been here since the '60s. puerto ricans are born in a state, the state of puerto rico which is, it's obviously, they cannot vote in puerto rico but they can -- >> host: faceting come you talk about this in your book, duality among puerto ricans in the 1 cents they are not as assimilated as some of the other groups that come to the united states, but a born american citizens. talk about that. >> guest: they don't expect
the cultural -- >> host: defined that. >> guest: you a ride and you are cut off from your country of origin and. >> host: as an african-american or black americans i know nothing about this guillotine. guessed it is faceting the way many african-americans have gone back to africa and looked for the roots. traditionally many of european immigrants who arrived never went back to sicily. went back to ireland than once in their life. were cut off from home country. in fact, some immigrant communities keep traditions here that have disappeared in the home countries. it's the case with many german-americans, have driven traditions that are disappeared in germany proper. >> host: was fascinating, you say that and i'm a big fan of brazil and i went to salvador and found there were some traditions that the african transplant to brazil have
brought and kept, so much so now you have west africans going, kind of like a reverse cultural phenomenon, going to learn some other ancient cultural traditions that they've lost. >> guest: is a simmer situation in cuba which is second on to brazil and france brazil is only second to cuba and having a large and important african cultural imprint husband absolutely. a lot of people don't know that. a lot of people don't make that presumption. dive into that a little bit because the number of cuba and the integrated particularly after 1959 after the rise of castro, was this a mixture of cubans? was it afro-cubans this report shall he? was a european cubans or white cubans, mixed cubans? >> guest: obviously many mixed cubans came as well. what i have heard is that has cubans came into florida, a southern state, segregated
state, the whites were not segregated but a black cubans go dark cubans were and they could not stay in being segregated from the former compatriots. so many of them went up north. and us you have a very important colony of cubans in new jersey, starting in the '60s. i don't know that for a fact but i've heard that this was something that happened in florida that black cubans said i'm not going to be segregated. i grew up with that guy. so they moved north where there was no official segregation. so yes, the so-called hispanic unity in this country is very varied. i think the term hispanic i don't like its origins because i don't think the from and of action i don't think, i'm going to hammer what was said but she said that it robs hispanics of
real power. i completely agree with that. the history of immigration in this country is going through broken glass to succeed. et al. you did it. the martini means that it. -- the italians did it. with hispanics is the first time that the federal government intervened and said we must help you. and it happens because the time they come in to the '70s is 90 that the federal government must be into everything. >> host: let's go down into that more. tell us how this new classification enabling hispanics or latinos to have access to a affirmative action and to government benefits and even see themselves different. how has that entered the traditional process of assimilation and integration directory that's what sets them apart the it draws a line between them and the immigrants and says you are different. don't aspire to what they did.
and, in fact, what we have done, and it's very unfortunate we've done this to this country, is now our government under own institutions through up roadblocks to assimilation. our schools which were the cauldron, the melting pot happened were set up by the founding fathers from the beginning. jefferson was very interested in education. he set out the university of virginia. he understood that it was there that republican values need to be taught. >> host: that is small our republican. >> guest: of course. republican as the republic. they were very consider the keeping it republic and they thought republican values would be taught at the public school level, and they were until sometime in the middle of the 20th century schmick host the
progressive era. >> guest: the progress is made a feint dry in 1920s, lost, but that again and decided to win in the '60s. which have now is we no longer assembly in the public school system. we no longer teach civic values. the civic values they teach is how to demonstrate. but -- >> host: how do balkanize. >> guest: so -- >> host: under the guise of multiculturalism. >> guest: that is by the way is a very worrying thing. let me go back to what i said and they go into the in "a race for the future." this battle was won in the 1910s in the 1920s, progressives wanted to have what they called the transnational america, which was a place where you would have different
pockets, a federation of definitions so they called it. they lost that fight to the assimilationist. the assimilationist one. we have is result is a country comes together and is able to fight world war ii. as a country, you see these movies from world war ii that they got from brooklyn and then mexican guy from texas and an irish guy from boston, and they're all coming together to fight in the john wayne movies. these guys -- >> host: they never gave up, did they? >> guest: this is what you see today. it's the same ideology. not the same people. they are did but these are the errors. >> host: an excellent point at a think it's important that we communicate that more and more. these are of americans that were pushing this balkanization and breaking away from the small our
republican values that sustained us as a country. these are not born -- >> guest: i think one was given. >> host: mostly this is a homegrown movement. this is something that did not come across because of immigrants. oftentimes it is something that is given to immigrants or force-fed to immigrants. >> guest: majestic thing. they see immigrants and especially hispanics as agents of change. these people who want to -- see hispanics as agents of change. aye to this in my book, "a race for the future." i make an argument that hispanics can and should be agents for conserving our traditional values and america's place in the world. we are seeing right now in the summer of 2014 what happens when america withdrawals from the military in the world.
hispanics, conservatives need to join the battle, join -- that's what the subtitle of my book, how hispanics, how come it can break the monopoly of hispanics. a liberal monopoly over hispanics. for some of reason we need to engage because hispanics a to b. reached out. they can no longer, it cannot just be seen -- one message from the wisdom of the left, prescription of america as a racist place, as a place so unfair that hispanics need government intervention. we need -- >> host: that does cut against usually those immigrate to the trendy because when they come to the united states they're not coming to a miserable racist nation. the coming -- >> guest: they are attractive are fundamentally two things. liberty and our prosperity. that's why my family came here
looking for in the 1970s, and the use us as agents of change to transform this a historic experiment in self-governance that is produced so much liberty and so much prosperity. it's something i felt i had to fight against so i wrote a book. conservative to reach out to hispanics and unabashed norman rockwell painting of america which still exist. we are a country of people teaching in together, helping each other to frank capra has a wonderful right. the only government official in a wonderful life was the bank examiner to george bailey and he failed to at the end -- but "it's a wonderful life" is about americans pitching in together, regular americans, immigrants. i think we have to go out and tell his -- tell us that this is america. give them a mobility message,
you know, how to repair human capital, how to repair social capital. that had to make sure the financial capital in the bank account. >> host: one of the things in your book is the breakdown, traditionally those conservatives that it had the vision that you and i both share that we need to reach out to minorities and reach out to latinos, african-americans and the like have always had a stereotype. it's a good stereotype, which is latinos are hispanics are natural conservatives, a belief in family values, stronger families, so and so forth. to my great chagrin when i was reading your book i found that may have one time been the case among hispanics, but, unfortunately, you are following a lot of the trends that exist in the united states, particularly unfortunately among my people, black americans, what does a breakdown of the family. >> guest: reagan uses a hispanics are conservatives,
they just don't know it yet. hispanics do have some fundamental characteristics that are conservative. for several hispanics are very picture of the hispanics are well represented in the armed forces. hispanics have a strong worth -- work ethic of the immigrant hispanic, i look at statistics, has a labor participation that rivals that of native born americans or higher. hispanics believe in strong family and hispanics, especially mexicans americans, go to church. however, what has happened because the bulk of the demographic change has come from 1965, just as we had a social tornado tearing down norms have been in this country for decades, many immigrants have imbibed the culture that was presented to them. >> host: they assimilated to some of the negative social pathologies that exist. >> guest: the term downward a
simulation, a horrifying statistic is the out of wedlock rate which is very high for hispanics as hell but it's different but it's high for all groups, even for cuban-america cuban-americans. for hispanics as a whole it is 53%. >> host: wow. and that would not have been the case of -- >> guest: no, no, no. cubans, let me give you a statistic for cubans. i believe last year it was 48%. 10 years ago it was 29%. then similar to the out of wedlock rate of non-hispanic whites. illegitimacy is a problem because it spans upstream from a lot of social issues. kids who are born and raised without a father are nine times -- five times as likely to drop out of school. nine times as likely to commit
crime and three times as likely to be imprisoned i'm quoting candidate barack obama in 2008 who said this, obama talks about this a lot. at the beginning of his first term he is stopped, he has my brother's keeper as the initiative but he didn't really talk a lot about the out of wedlock rate, which he needs to talk about. >> host: he is ideally placed to talk about it. >> guest: he is ideally placed. something that happened in this thing in ferguson that we had recently is that when barack obama came out and gave his speech before talking -- being like bill cosby. bill cosby, juan williams, a lot of very you yourself from a lot of very courageous african-americans are speaking about this because he understands that the family is the foundation for education which is the ticket out of
poverty. its stability. it's not, this is not coming from a religious perspective. is a pragmatic imperative, and economic imperative. and candidate barack obama had it right host but it's unfortunate he's gone away from it. you think it's because some progressive forces attacked them for and try to pull him in the other direction and send your blame the victim? i think that's the terminology. >> guest: this is what the used against daniel patrick moynihan. he wrote about this in the '60s when the out of wedlock birth rate of african-american journey was in the low '20s. it's now 72%, and he was -- bill cosby is pilloried. barack obama needs to be more courageous a talk about this and talk about also what is
happening in the hispanic -- i talk about in my book, "a race for the future" it is important. >> host: which group of the various subgroups among hispanics has, let's say, assimilated in the wrong way the least if you well and maintained that traditional family? >> guest: i would say that all groups need improvement across the board. if you look at mexicans americans in new mexico, their family structure i think has held pretty well hosting and these mexicans americans are the oldest of the mexican-americans. >> guest: i call it our mexican founding fathers to they have been there since the 1600s. they have land deeds, possibly talk about their land these from the 1700s. >> host: so cliven bundy is not the only one who is land
issues in the west. [laughter] >> guest: exactly. so you know all of us have faced the problem that assimilation is no longer the sized by the schools, by our institutions, by the army -- hollywood, forget it. hollywood does anything it can to tear down the idea -- by the way, assimilation does not mean abandoning. i'm very proud of my cuban ancestors. i'm very proud of what they did of cuban culture. you don't cease to love your mother or your grandmother when you met your wife. hosta oftentimes it's a reaffirmation. >> guest: exactly. exactly. so part of the american contract is that you have to accept american values, that you have to respect the constitution, that you divide to defend the constitution your this is come
and i think moving away from this anti-great multicultural society creates many problems for democracy. >> host: and for the future of the country and all americans within the country. i want to talk to a little bit more about that as we come back after a short break. >> guest: great, thank you. >> host: we are here with mike gonzalez, "a race for the future." i want to talking about that. a lot of folks have said the future of america, the demographic changes profound and were becoming a browner nation, if you will. we can is a good way of texas
and the country or the way of california. and you talk about this little bit in your book, doing an analysis of latinas are hispanics in mexico versus california. let's talk about that. >> guest: i completely agree. i devoted a chapter to this because i think it accurate shows -- california's leading jobs or californian has i believe one-third of welfare recipients in the country. one-third of welfare expenditures. >> host: as their only what, less than 50% of the population? >> guest: yes. texas hispanics to a lot better in a number of statistics data to in my book, "a race for the future," and to california hispanics. in one of those particular areas what is most important is education. and that is the gap between non-hispanic whites and
hispanics. hispanics, the gap is is a lot smaller, lots more in taxes than it is in california. telephony has the third highest in the nation. >> host: why is that? is it because it's a social welfare state? isn't the culture of california versus texas? >> guest: you see south korea and north korea, you know, south korea is in little class country, free democracy. north korea is economies state which is terrorized. we had the laboratory extreme of east and west germany. you can say with tongue in cheek, the laboratory experiment of cuba and miami. we have a bit of that with texas and california. and the fact is that these
policies, marxism doesn't work. it's been proven many, many times yet to be an academic or intellectual to deny reality. so i think you have that dichotomy coming up a lot of californians moving to texas and not all of texas moved to california. and i think if you look at i going to my book, why that might be, texas has an older hispanic a collision. texas already when it joined the union in 1845, i believe around one-third is already -- pre-existing mexican population. >> host: to reinforce your point, we went to war with mexico, mexican american war, got a lot of american mexicans have fought on the u.s. side is not the alamo. the mexican-americans at the alamo. there are people who are mexican-americans who fought on the texas side for the texan republic who should be
celebrated and sometimes they are in texas were at you have in california is the pre-existing mexican population is much tinier and they were overwhelmed by the gold rush. so they're not as important culturally. you don't often hear people in california saying yes, my family. pre-1948. the a lot of texans, mexican-americans say my family, i can trace it. goes back to people who are here in the 1700s and 1800s. that gives the mexican american population in texas a sense of stability but gives them a cultural state which is so important this is something, part of a message to consumers is that we have to understand the important cultural imprint of mexican-americans in texas and mexico and the southwest integration of the west. and i think we need to teach this as well -- >> host: these are not immigrants to the was. these are folks who made the
west what it is. >> guest: exactly. the west is a fusion of the anglo-saxon hispanic and united states and mexico. we have to teach this to hispanics in this country. went to teach it to non-hispanics, for sure but we also to teach it to dispense because that will give them, ate give someone a state, sense of ownership and the culture, they will want to conserve the culture and traditions. what we have is, as i said before, a progressive, agents of change. we need to have hispanics as agents of conservation. >> host: and reinforcement of our values. >> guest: and say these are your values, your part owner of these because you help create them. you have a stake in conserving them for your descendents. i think it's a very important thing we need to start doing to our public schools, institutions.
we are not doing that. we're doing the opposite. >> host: i agree with you. it's a tragedy of the schools have become an agent of balkan decision. progressives looking at hispanics and minorities in general, agents of change and we're talking of texas versus california. talk about the effort, the political effort if you will of turning texas solidly red right now politically blue in the future. >> guest: i think the political donors very investing a lot of money to a left is investing a lot of money in texas. they have a long view of things. conservatives don't. this is a long-term thing. this is not about the midterm election in 2014. it's not about the presidential election in 2016. this is about what's going to happen if the next couple of decades. as the conservative american someone who wants to conserve the country, my family immigrated to, want to conservatives experiment in free
people govern themselves. i want to make sure that we conserve american values. let me say one more thing about public schools. and the gap that we have. it is an outrage that we are consigning hispanics and african-americans to the schools that do not perform. we have a dual system here in this country. we have some public schools that function extra and well in the suburbs, but you could do a suburban school on school like and what you see, it's like tv. >> host: parents involved. >> guest: really public-private partnerships with helicopter parents, volunteering. if something needs to be paid for in the school doesn't have enough money, they parents chipped in. the other side where many
hispanics and many african-americans go to school, you have to go through school through a medical detector -- medal detector. and we do not let our people escape this. the teachers unions are dead set against school choice which is to score for high among hispanics for every good reason. hispanics are very worried by losing their children that schools to the games, that peer pressure. we want to make sure they will do whatever they want to put the kids in a good school where the peer pressure is going to be virtuous rather than vicious. >> host: that's where the school choice movement and charter schools, the expose of charter schools is something that's extremely popular with hispanic and african -- >> guest: i don't know your history. i to you, i personally, we fought hard to go to a better school.
we won that fight in miami. i would do a better school than the one that was assigned to me in my own personal fight for school choice. we won it. and i was better off for it. pitbull, improper for miami talked about how his mother used to like about their interest to put them in a better school. we should not be forced to be doing these things. lying, breaking the law for fighting the bureaucracy noted to go to schools that are functioning. it is a travesty that we can sign so many poor kids to not performing in danger schools. >> host: it's not just dangerous schools, nonperforming. even when they perform well, often the type of information and perspective that they are giving is a total diversion from that i can small r republican as a tradition. talk about the agenda that's
going on in our schools. >> guest: you mean the -- >> host: multi-cultural. >> guest: again as i said, what we want to do is transform america. they want to make sure that we have a country, a vulcanized country of different cultures, different societies. people do not immigrate here by the way to the vulcanized. they want to join the mainstream. they want to succeed. they join, coming for economic race or political reasons or both. what they want to see is told and grandchildren fit into society, thrive, do well. what is being done in their name with multiculturalism, it is again another travesty which is different from keeping kids assigned vessel but also something that we need -- conservatives need to make sure that we reverse this. we need to speak out when
conservatives going to either party can you make sure this is reversed for the sake of our country. >> host: i often say to my friends and because of movement which are apprehensive about the so-called comprehensive immigration reform, look, if we close the border to more completely, some magical way to complete shutdown the southern end these problems existed before and it's going to exist after. >> guest: i do not go into illegal immigration at all in my book for doctor the reason. the fight, the arguments that we have all the passions that we invest. by the way, it's an important argument to be had with 11 people who are here illegally. it's a question we need to do something about our border. but we leave no room for debate.
your winner% buy. if you shut the border day and do nothing about multiculturalism, we can is our country the way we know our country. >> host: and even the demographic changes that are taking place within the country. these changes are not taking place because of border policy. are taking place demographically for isaac and i don't don't know if i'm allowed to on c-span, but these changes are taking place in the bedroom, not so much at the border just to test it is taking place in the classroom, in the bedroom, in the oval office, in congress. and we need to be active. conservatives need to wake up. when i wrote my book, "a race for the future," it's because, consumers have to join the fight and make sure that we understand what is happening and reach out to hispanics with a message of mobility, upward mobility. the right policies, the right
tenor, right down, conservatives very often, use the right tone, some conservatives, the right policies of what's important. how do you make hispanic americans mobile website make sure -- the statistics are all the right now give your board in the bottom quintile, income wise, i think of a 4% chance of making it to the top and i'll. >> host: webmac. that cuts totally against the grain of what america -- >> guest: it's not so much a question of inequality. it's mobility. has mobility become stuck? have we stopped having rags to riches stories? the ticket out of that is education. the ticket out of that is stable families, a mom and dad at home. these are important matters that need to be discussed openly. people are afraid to discuss
these issues. >> host: because of political correctness. >> guest: it's good for eric holder to say we are a nation of power because he refuses to discuss race to when you discuss race or anything that's important you get pilloried uzbek these folks as the masters of political practice believe in racial dialogue that is more a monologue and an intimidating of those who want to have an exchange of ideas. let's talk a little bit, i know you don't get into much in the book about immigration, illegal or -- illegal immigration bullets talk about how we can prevent, i call it the cultural suicide that's going on in europe where because o of the he social welfare states of western europe, you need new influx of people and, of course, because of the shrinking birthrate in those western europe in countries, you need immigration to support the huge social welfare state but at the same time they are not integrating
and assimilating in the same way that the united states has been so successful at doing. we also could use legal immigration, but we are breaking away from assimilation. are we in danger of going on the path of cultural civilization suicide and we western europe is? >> we are a country of immigrants. it is important we go back to how we estimate immigrants in the past because it worked. we not do this and we applaud this knowledge. i devote a lot of a book on how to combat to doing what we used to be good at. with regards to be europe, my wife was born in scotland. but i'm nonetheless what do i completely agree with you. i was just in the highlands and i was in a small town, small island and i passed the church, very pretty in the second on a passed the bill is it was a longer a church. it is now a community center. england, scotland a rapidly
decreasing icing. i will get into a lot of trouble for this, and i think that we need to see what is happening to i must say that many europeans in the present government, toward a government in london is quite aware of this. i had a conversation who was until recently the center of education in the david cameron government. talk to him last year and he is very lucid about what needs to happen. use it or lose it about how the fact that they're not teaching the kids civic values. i think that the family is also under threat across the continent and also in the uk and it is, we need allies in the world and winning friends and it is to me somebody who thinks in terms of american national interest. i want us to friends and allies in the world and a look at europe and i worry for that reason but i also look at us and
i worry. >> host: absolutely. i recall a friend of mine was going to friends and a ready warning from the french government saying there's certain parts of the region suburbs that they just cc control over. this is a big preview of our future if what a careful and if we don't go back to the way we possibly. by but i think it's important we make the point again, this is a homegrown problem. this is not being imported from central and south america. this is a problem that we have here a month americans. >> guest: france knows how to do this. france was europe's version of the melting pot in which people did become a french, half of simply grandfather of my grandmother who was born in france of spanish parents and came to cuba in the 1870s. he was seen as a frenchman. he was born in france, spoke with a french accent. france used to know how to do this. france has also common something that is happening across the
west. is beginning to understand this a conversation with an old colleague in scotland, a journalist who said that actually people are beginning to slowly in europe rediscover their roots. i do have hope for europe post but let's talk about that as we wrap up. what is the hope for winning the future, going back to your book, what suggestions do you make -- it made some of them but bullet point form, what is just and check for conservatives that have a vision that we both share that we have to be aggressive to go into these the commission and treat conservative values, limited government transferred the first thing we need to do is make sure that we are teaching with care. can't used to say, in fact it might have been teddy roosevelt, they don't care how much you know until they know you care. they need to know you care and we do care. we need to talk passionately to go in and explained how nefarious liberal policies have been for the hispanic family, for hispanic advancement,
mobility, how they're being capped -- >> host: i don't mean to interrupt you but would you distinguish between liberalism and progressivism, modern-day progressivism? >> guest: progressivism, i think, by the way liberalism is a perfectly good term. in europe it means a free market person. so they took a turn, liberals are very good at taking our terms and trashing them like they took liberal in the community and that after they trashed it they said well, and this is a loser. which goes back to 1920s. i think that that is in the way more scary because it talks about, it's multiculturalism. people talk, sing to make this distinction between, for example, daniel patrick moynihan whom we talked about. >> host: considers himself a
liberal. >> guest: he became more of a liberal than he worked as a bureaucrat in the nixon administration. let's talk about the things that will help i think if one is to explain what has happened with liberal policies to hispanic communities, hispanic family, you know, we must be doing better. we should be doing better. so explain that and say this is no panacea for you. by the way it was, if your cube and, liberalism, marxism destroyed your home country. if you're a mexican-american, the corporatism for so many years, some decades and some sentries kept mexico poor than it needed to be because mexico has a lot of oil. so these things need to be explained. we also have to say here are the policies. we have policies that will help
the families dedicate adequate families that will help the family, you don't have to have these cliff effects that a single mother faces when she looks at either a promotion or getting a job or marrying a good man who's going to be a good role model for her children. >> host: and ends up losing benefits and at the end of the day loses any capital. >> guest: the marginal tax increase is over 100% sometimes. so as a rational economic actor she may not want to do this because of the immediate loss. however, it is getting a promotion from getting that job and it is being married to a good role model that will make sure that her children are not trapped in the quintile the fines are difficult to break out in going to the top. we need to explain this and we
need to do with love. do it as i said a scribe in america, the america i believe in, the america where people pitch in together, where neighbor helps neighbor. the america, we must, sure, we need to talk about the community meetings in new england and the farm raising in the midwest but don't forget hispanics came your with no book knowledge of these things. so the maelstrom, the tornado that happens from the 60s on its hispanics worse because we lack book memories of this. can cling to and go back to. so i think -- >> host >> host: exception to the rule of posting mexicans americans in new mexico. >> guest: but we have so much immigration. and, in fact, many mexican-americans are recent
immigrants. the oldest hispanic immigrants and the newest hispanic immigrants. >> host: what a paradox. and d.c. any sense of cultural tension between the newer mexican immigrants and the older mexican immigrants? i'm traced to see if they just absorb the newer mexican immigrants, absorbed into the older communities? >> guest: i think so. if we can speak of tension, as i said, that father and mother immigrant the words, who comes in here, and because as old immigrants coming in and coming to a neighborhood that is not a very wealthy neighborhood and have to because of the policy that we have in place that are in effect as to send his children to that bad school. he worries about losing his children to pathology. i think, i care greatly for those immigrant parents who want
to succeed. they came here to succeed. and they're being kept from succeeding. by the way the statistics are mexican-americans, mexican immigrants who come in here with high work ethic, their children or alert for them to learn, do well in school. they have a strong family. they have a high work ethic. a lot of that gets frittered away within a couple of years if not more. >> host: i strongly recommend of course that folks read "a race for the future." weekend break the liberal monopoly among the hispanic community. as we are closing up and again, your book does not focus that much on copperheads of immigration reform. how do you feel when you of some politicians who believe that the only way you can communicate to the latino committee or hispanic community is to promote comprehensive immigration reform?
>> guest: the famous, is this a gateway issue. to be honest i haven't made up my mind that it is a gateway issue. many smart people say that it is an equal number of smart people say that it is not. i think if you look at the polls, immigrants really think about economic success. hispanics think about education, education always speaks very, very high. hispanics understand how important education is to success in america. they get that the immigration really only goes, fourth or fifth place in terms of their priority. the hispanic language media feeds on this and talks about it a great deal. >> host: to talk about this in your book, the power of univision. >> guest: and they run on a feedback loop. if you close the border today and do nothing about addressing the problems that i speak about,
that you and i've been talking about, the country will not be better off if you do the same thing if you have confidence of immigration reform and to do nothing about these issues, the country will be better off. there's a problem that we need to fix and copperheads of immigration reform or closing the border by itself either one of these two things are not going to fix it. this is why i developed my book to these bums out of left the debate you people want to debate it house but i would tell people to read your blog because you focus on spit hispanic americans, about the american command as hell because the problems that are confronting hispanics are confronting every group including white americans. >> guest: it is about america. that's right. african-americans and hispanic americans are over represented in these lower income quintile's. these problems are much worse for us than our for non-hispanic whites. >> host: thank you so much,
mike gonzalez, for your time. it was a pleasure. >> guest: thank you. >> policymakers, legislators and others familiar with their material. "after words" airs every weekend on booktv at 10 p.m. on saturday, 12 and 9 p.m. on sunday and 12 a.m. on monday. you can also watch "after words" online. go to booktv.org and click on "after words" in the booktv series and the topics list on the upper right side of the pa page. >> here's some of the latest news about the publishing industry. author andrew lewis charles bowden died on august 30 at the age of 69. his writings focus on the drug wars in mexico and immigration in the southwest. he made several appearances on
this month we argue cla. professor david hayes-bautista talks about the origins of cinco de mayo and explains why celebrated war in the u.s. than it is in mexico. postcoital salieri -- ucla professor david hayes-bautista is the author of this book, "el cinco de mayo: an american tradition." what happens above well, mexico may 5, 1862. >> what most people know if the mexican army in the french army. why however this celebrated so much in the united states when the united states when in fact if you go to mexico apparently celebrated at all. so