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tv   Book Discussion on A Chosen Exile  CSPAN  April 1, 2015 5:58am-6:11am EDT

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optimism by officials who said great smoking is going to end because you get the drug you are addicted addicted to it that the filthy carcinogenic smoke. there are people wearing nicotine patches in this room wanting a cigarette. 17 the people that use nicotine patches can stop and 83% can't. that's also 17% is the camo component is enough to stop your addiction. that's a lot. you can stop 17% of smoking that's a huge number of lights. i'm not for a minute dismissing that the 70% is less than 83% and 83% as is all this other stuff we are talking about. there isn't that the woman next. let's just go for it. dan boozman. >> i like men but anyway. first of all thank you seriously. it's not just about the addiction are people who are seen as addicts. it's about the fact that you are creating a more vibrant
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conversation about pain in the human species and how is the human species we need to learn to face emotional pain and learn to deal with it and more intelligent ways because it affects all kinds of things. in baltimore county we have a school we call a consciousness school. we work with everything attics and non-addicts and all walks of life and we teach people how to bond with themselves. and with one another. we use holistic techniques medication breathing and movement and all kinds of things. i have the honor of being able to train what we call psychospiritual facilitators to help people people with these really departure themselves including addiction and not just addiction of substances but addiction to behaviors. i would just love to hear from you. i know what i say to people. i read your thing about love
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songs. you should be singing love songs to i know what i say to the people that i train. when i have a concern about whether loving these people too much is going to somehow make them codependent like to be manipulated by an addict. i know what i say to the people i train i would love to hear what you say. >> thank you for what you said and thank you for the work you do. it's a big question. when you are saying that i pictured the clinic in portugal they went to. i'm blanking on the name. the name is in the book. it was so amazing. i can't remember how much longer it was as i went to tent city in the chain gang. it was six months or something like that and there were all these addicts in this room and they were being massaged and taught to play trust games and how to express their feelings. i really wanted to fly back to arizona and grab those women take them to this clinic in
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portugal. i actually want to write more and research more about how we do the things were doing. come and talk to me afterwards because i would be really interested. i hate the concept of codependency. it's loving someone. you know that show called intervention. i think intervention is a deeply evil show. it is the importing of the drug were logic rate the idea that you should say it does connection is the main driver of addiction. the idea that you should say to addict i'm going to cut you off and we are always a group going to cut you off unless you go to rehab which by the way this worked very well. that's barbaric. that's the exact wrong thing to do. the thing to do with addicts in your life and this is very hard and i'm not saying it's easy and i find it reticular difficult for various reasons is to say ike unconditionally love you and whatever you do whether you were clean or whether you are using,
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what do you are sick or whether you are well i will always come and sit with you and be present with you. that's the only thing you can ever do that will help an addict and it will be really hard and a lot of the time you won't be able to stomach it but it's the only thing that's ever going to work. >> to develop a language that motioned codependency to love. >> thank you. >> we have time for two more questions. >> really am. hello. >> i'm currently homeless and a 2016 canada's mayor for baltimore. you have given me a lot of work to do for my platform including legalization of marijuana. my question to you is this which i find with any societal issue we have the money to do it tomorrow however if we end the war on drugs tomorrow with all of these great things that have been done in other countries where opposing capitalism. it's like trying to get the
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money out of politics so you are taking jobs away from billions of people in the prison industrial industrial complex etc. that facilitate the war on drugs so what are the steps to oppose that and eventually solve the problem? >> is a super interesting question. thank you. and i hope people vote for you. one the biggest backers of the anti-marijuana legalization california was the prison guards union and i found that so depressing. you are right some people will lose their jobs when in the wind drugs. order agents some cops although i can think of better things cops could be doing. prison guards. what i would say is let's retrain those people to provide compassionate love for attics. there are loads of stuff they can do. sometimes people say as well and this is a real concern actually. if you legalize it can have a
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huge number of young men who have made a reasonable living drug dealing. in some places is like taking general motors out of detroit. this is the case in baltimore. significant economic support. you would also be healing an enormous amount of devastation in the community with african-american men who are massively incarcerated. one thing it's very easy to lobby for his just pardons. governors governors and the president just a mass pardoning people for these harmless offenses. i don't think i totally answered your question but i got somewhere there. >> thank you. >> it's a man. hooray. you are going to give a really test us around question to compensate. >> i first want to say thank you for your talk.
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sort of piggybacking off of the last question there is a recent speaker here who wrote a book called drug war and capitalism boca singh on mexico and colombia superimposing this talk about the drug war on movements within the global capital and looking at in particular mexico where there is a correlation between the police and the cartels and a huge part of his labor organizers and people who are sitting on a really rich resources. again it's like literature on the influence of the private prison system in united states and how that benefits but also perpetuates the lobby for there were on drugs here could i wonder whether you think there is any sort of solution and the states without addressing that influence on politics and
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whether you did any research on the differences in places that do legalize drugs and comparing their prison industries and their influence as well? >> that's very interesting. there are loads of things to come out with that. one thing i thought of when he said that is a story i covered in the book. it's a crazy story and it tells you loads about the drug war. when drugs were first banned 100 years ago in 1914 there was a big loophole that went into the law. it said this doesn't cover addicts. they can go to the doctor and get their drugs. basically the swiss model and loads of doctors began prescribing heroin. that loophole was shut down by harry ansley state-by-state or when the last places to shut it down with california because it was popular. the mayor stands in front of the clinic and says you will not shut this down.
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the story of why was shut down in california turns out the local chinese drug gangs were really annoyed that a nevada drug addicts had to come and buy drugs from them but in california they could go to the doctor and get them. so they bribed the federal narcotics agents to introduce the drug war. they paid them to crack down. at the birth of the drug war armed criminal gangs are paying for it to be introduced or that tells you something about who benefits from the war on drugs. and you are totally right that dynamic is insane in mexico. i remember the guy who went to texas and have been unfortunate jack-in-the-box incident you know rosalia surprise somebody by saying of all the people i met for the book he was the one i felt the most sorry for beauty grew up in laredo on the texas side of the border which is basically the same the same side as the wave on the mexican side. when he was 13 days to go back and forth over the voter --
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voter. between the ages of 13 and -- he killed people in ahead of them and horrendous stuff. he would talk about how in mexico he would go out with the police on his murder sometimes and they would accompany him. so you are right there is a nexus there. that's not like the united states in the same way. there some people who are conspiratorial and that's not the case in america. in terms of doing it to get the influence out of politics, yeah every problem this country can't be solved until you do deal with the corruption problem. why are we not dealing with local warming? why are we not dealing with the health care crisis. that is why obamacare isn't good but not that good so you're absolutely right. that's a much bigger question than just the drug war. you are absolutely right, we can do with the drug war without dealing with that. one last thing you asked what
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was the difference and that super interesting to one the biggest differences there are no ghettos in switzerland and portugal. but they couldn't do is act like the people who were attics were others. in switzerland if you are an addict in switzerland switzerland the semis picture postcard you have in your head. it's a nice little place with lovely ordered parks and if you're a heroin addict people see you are a heroin addict reader have the equivalent of -- words shot away. that was really importance of part of the job offers that we would like to dismantle ghettoization and united states apart it is about humanizing people and saying we are all people as we all deserve a chance to live. we all deserve a chance to be happy and we can choose policies to do that. thank you all for your questions. i really loved it. thank you. [applause] i should've said i will now sign your books if you want me to.
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>> we will be here until 10:00 so please feel free to hang around and talk to johann. grab a glass of wine, coffee and buy some books. [inaudible conversations]


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