tv Book Discussion on Trust Betrayed CSPAN April 19, 2015 1:00pm-1:46pm EDT
given the medicare reform. >> that's right they can explain it to young people retired people they have said this is not a threat and we have that base of understanding. it makes all of the difference in the world. the leftists always leftist always believed that there would be this grand bargain and unchanged regard of 40% of gdp spent by the federal government. the deal would be take taxes up to 30 and then we will bring 40 down to 30 and we can call it a compromise. and it's smaller than where it is. so the fact that someone has come up with as and republicans have voted for a reform about a single dollar of tax increases
they find that very interesting. you never see the washington post or "the new york times" write about those reforms because in their minds reform his coworker how we get another tax increase out of these people and promise these reforms are never delivered, of course, but the democrats have complete control of the house and senate added to the entitlement mess they have never reform that. the only reform came on this and now the most recent fight took place with some of the reforms on medicare. >> on that populist note, i think that we are going to be sadly out of time. >> it is a fun book i read it from five in the morning until eight in the morning over a number of months. >> basically it's like living with someone who lives in hawaii in a different time zone. [laughter]
>> very good okay, well, i very much enjoyed reading it and i think that people should buy it. it's wonderful. so thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> that was booktv signature program in which authors of the latest nonfiction books are interviewed by journalists public policymakers and others familiar with their material. "after words" airs on booktv every weekend and on 10:00 p.m. on saturday, 12 and 9:00 p.m. on sunday and 12:00 a.m. on monday. you can also watch "after words" online. go to booktv.org and click on "after words" in the series and topics list on the upper right of the page. >> next on booktv, iraq veteran and navy s.e.a.l. sniper
scott taylor, he argues that obama and his administration are hurting u.s. national security and should be held accountable. this is about 45 minutes. >> thank you so much. thank you. thank you for that wonderful introduction. good afternoon. good afternoon. okay, that is a little bit better. i appreciate the introduction, i was going to go into a little bit of that. but shifting here i had the pleasure of going to the ranch today and it was as humble as it was beautiful and i really enjoyed it and it is certainly an honor and pleasure to be here with you today and the young americans as well. i was walking through with andrew upstairs and one of the things even at the ranch, i thought reagan and his book and i was like wow coming as a lot of different topics.
so i was drawn to it and i liked it. and so then there was this one book that really stood out. how many know who lee willmore is? well i was 13 years old reading comic books and how many know what big brothers and big sisters is? okay i'm a little brother. while my big brother is older when i was 13 he asked me why i was reading these comic books, he said let me give you real books to read and i was always getting in trouble in school and getting my work done quickly and i would start talking and do all the stuff that ornery kids do. and he said why don't you read real books and that will help you not get in trouble. so he gives me this bag of books like 25 of them. i was completely addicted to louie lemore books and i read
every single one of them and then i read everyone in the county library, i think i read like 65 louie lemore books. and they are different characters. but what is really important about that is that he changed his trajectory of my life because after i got done with training and at the time each seal team had a different responsibility of an area of responsibility in the world and we were completing our training from the different teams and they were describing those areas of operation. and so when it was his time, he said south america is like the wild west. that is where i'm going. [laughter] because of louie lemore. so opening the speech up with a simple declaration, that i love this country and i would do anything humanly possible to
defend her from enemies foreign or domestic. and i know that that's not complicated and it's certainly not that flashy, but i guarantee that everyone in this room agrees with that sentiment. and i also believe that now more than ever, needs to be said out loud. my men and women like all of us and all around the nation. i have spent a decent part of my life serving the country in those experiences taught me a lot. they challenged me greatly and they prepared me. and we need to change the way we look at ourselves the way that we interact within the world and how we lead the our fellow freedom-based democratic nations in the decade ahead. i think that speaking out is really just the next step in my own personal journey and it is a journey that has taken me from
the pacific ocean and s.e.a.l. training to vacant buildings behind iraqi lines and now to mr. jefferson's capital in virginia as a state delegate. and that journey began on the quiet eastern shore. i was raised by a single mother and i did not have much focus on academics. my family's lack of money and my mediocre grades made the military the best chance to get out of that small town. i know that it sounds trite but i wanted to see the world and in my book i write but the fact is that i really did not have a strong opinion on the service aspect of the military. for me it was all about the challenge and i just wanted to tackle the hardest thing that anyone could throw at me and i'm pretty sure there are a lot of individuals out there that would say the same thing. so i found myself at 18 years
old and i was such a long way. i spent two years in training and reconnaissance and preparing them for war and i would go to war myself and i was neither in iraq and i learned more there than i have ever before and i learned on a very dark night in iraq, we were with a group of navy s.e.a.l. snipers and so if you find yourself in that part of the world, it's difficult.
and they were launching attacks on coalition forces. and so before we would leave we would go to the roof of our makeshift house where we had a small shooting range that we made sure that our sniper rifles were dialing in. you couldn't stand on the roof because guys have been shot at before. so after we did this, we join the marines who drove us in and dropped us off in the middle of the city, night vision goggles you never know what bullets might come from, we made our way to the building. and we entered a very quietly because we didn't want anyone to know that we were there, we cleared it room by room. and i fell through to the
concrete below. and i was instantly unconscious i had a torn tendon i had a bruised lung and six broken ribs down my spine. but the team continued to clear the building because that is what you are supposed to do and the medic then rushed over to me and realized that he could hardly hear me breathing and he would tell me years later when i first saw him that destabilize my back and he inserted a tube into my throat cleared my airway, and probably saved my life. and he didn't stop there. then he called into the marines and the medevac and the helicopter and he rode with the marines to take me to the helicopter. this was not an ordinary road like we have in front of us but it was filled with devices.
i believe we lost about 11 marines that your loan on that stretch but he was going to make sure that i arrived safely and that he would rejoin the team in the mission. he put his life on the line to save my life. so i'm here today because i stand upon the shoulder of the brave men that i had the pleasure and honor of serving with, better men than me. and i learned so much from my fellow navy s.e.a.l.s, bravery kurds, dedication, character and i learned that a nation that produces these noble and humane warriors is an indispensable one in the life of the world. this is the greatest nation the world has ever known and that truth is reflected in the actions of the men and women of the armed services. we cannot let them down.
we cannot let this nation down. and that is why today i'm here to speak out about the policies and our country that i believe are unfortunately taking us down the wrong direction and a pivotal moment in our history. when you are a soldier you take your orders and be served. you do your duty. but as a citizen now i want to use what i have seen and learned to speak out in defense of liberty and the freedom given to us by god and defended by the government and the military. i refuse to be part of a generation that went abroad to come home and see washington lose that fight through misguided national security and foreign policy. i cannot remain silent as our leaders failed to speak openly and truthfully about the spreading cancer of islamic extremism. i will not simply sit back and
watch as we turn our backs on our allies and appease those who are not our friends. too much of foreign and national security policies in recent years have been made for her desire to produce short-term political goals to gain political territory and informed by unrealistic views of the world. wishing the world to be something other than it is does nothing for american security or american interests. we can all learn a lot about foreign policy and international relations from academics. and we can also learn quite a bit from real-world experience. in this dangerous and changing seemingly chaotic world in which we live in, i would argue that we need more folks in positions of leadership that have experience in the more dangerous and sensitive regions of the globe. making national security decisions, local culture
matters. after my time in the navy and went on to serve as a security consultant manager for u.s. oil company in yemen and i serve their approximately 10 times in four years. nothing that i could have been taught on these shores would have prepared me for what i learned in the sands. one day i got a call in the arabian desert and we were stopped on a project we were working on. there was a guy threatening to shoot anyone in the field that continues to work. in yemen that thing is kind of ordinary. so i do not think too much of it at first. but then i went to my tribal guards and none of them would go with me outside the wire. and so i went down to the barracks trying to find out what the heck was going on. they said to me we cannot go out there.
one of the guys shot his own brother in the head and i'm like really? these guys were armed but they were not hard men like i had served with. so i called in the army and i sent in the yemeni army detachment to figure out what was going on, i can always tell how strong it was based upon the army's reaction to them or lack thereof. so they go out there and nothing is happening, i'm getting frustrated because we're losing a lot of money and i get a call on the radio and he says they are all out there, but it's sort of a stalemate situation going on. so i grabbed an ak-47, i convinced an old veteran to go out with me and an interpreter, so we go out there to meet the army and this scene was just fascinating, we got up there and
there were about 15 veteran dies who are all in firing positions and they had automatic weapons. and they are on one side i'm on the other side we have the yemenis army contingent who are also in the firing position. in the middle of the road there were a few guys sitting down, including this character. and so we pull up near the sand dune. i remember thinking who in the hack in heck in the world right now is doing this? probably nobody. [laughter] and so i get out there and i sit down with a group in the middle. i was surprisingly calm and i knew that i would have to take a hard stance. in yemen they chewed this narcotic leaves and he was very nervous and he gets up and walks
away. any wrong move by the veteran could result in a disaster. you cannot call 911 in the desert. that is something that could be foreign to modern americans. that's one of the reasons the local culture is as it is there. so then the guy that was most fashionable and reasonable with the was the guy that shot his brother in the head. he was just a little bit different, he had all black on and i could tell that he was a dangerous dive. so he relayed to me the demands through an interpreter and what they wanted was a fuel contract to deliver fuel between facilities. unfortunately we had already given a contract to one of the peers in the tribe, but there could probably be something that could be worked out but did not hurt us financially or contractually as and so i looked him in the eyes very confidently and i said listen, i don't care
if you stay here with you guys and threaten our folks for three weeks in this desert, i am not going to help you. and in fact and i was completely out of sorts here, i will make sure that you never work in the field again. if you take your guys and your guns and you allow work to continuing to come to my office in three days, then we will work something out and i will help you. so he stops, he's completely surprise and he looks at me and he hands me his ak-47 that means i mean you no harm and he says that we respect the fact that you came up here we did not expect it. nagi will come to your office in three days as you at. i interrupted him and said now. i wanted to make sure that i was having the conditions and i said two days, you come in two days.
and he agreed. and then they left and lab work to continue and a couple of days later they came and he ended up getting part of the contract, is pure never complained at all. [laughter] and i would totally use them in other negotiations later on. some guys were holding stuff up and i get a call and i was like do you know who nagi is? because if you continue to stop work, you're making him lose money from here and you should call him. problem solved. so i shared this experience with you to make a simple point. in arabia, power is the one thing, the only thing that brings to respect. they got nagi what he wanted and it helped me avoid what i wanted to avoid. strength was respected in that part of the world and in the tribal world it's practically
suicidal to make unilateral concessions to weaken your allies position. the only way to command any respect or retain influence is to demonstrate one's power. now as a nation confronting threats from that part of the world and russia were north korea, we need leaders who deal in strength, leaders like ronald reagan, those that understand that the world is not a clash on a college campus, it's dangerous and full of people that respect strength and power. we want to retain our cherished values of liberty and freedom and free-market, that can only successfully happen through projection of strength and confidence. we are increasingly risking our leadership position today and we are all paying a price but no more so than the men and women in uniform in harms way.
brought in senseless cuts through sequestration, social experiments on the body that has to remain disciplined and sending folks overseas to fight with one arm behind their backs are grave mistakes and they are leading to grave consequences. ladies and gentlemen, there is no greater friend to free men and women in the united states the united states military. our military is an overwhelming force for good in this world. but the u.s. has done over the past century has few counterparts in world history we are not the entire building was eager to expand our footprint or take over a nation, we eat the piece. we seek to protect innocent people and make the world safer for our fellow man. colin powell once noted that we
have gone forth repeatedly over the last 100 years and put in wonderful young men and women, many of whom have lost their lives and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in. at work of preserving liberty and freedom is only growing more important. to successfully continue that work we need people whose policies aimed at the root cause not just addressing symptoms as they appear. an ever expanding list that is a good thing, but they also serve as better recruitment in guantánamo bay ever did, we cannot win a war on terror with tactics alone, but we have to have a strategy of overpowering strength physically, mentally and virtually. what america needs is leadership with the courage to call islamic
terrorism what it is. pure evil. >> and leadership matters. we must declare principles are consistent. this will embolden our allies including our islamic allies who have been earned by the flames of terrorism. they are looking to us for guidance and leadership and that only comes through strength. we need leaders who understand and not those who seek to fund terrorism or seek to create regional unrest or seek nuclear weapons. we need leaders who understand what it means to be on a team, those that truly believe in america and our greatness and what we can achieve in tandem with our national partners and international partners. and of course we haven't had that kind of leadership in the
past seven years. and that fact has helped to remind americans that we are wary as we may be, that these qualities do matter and we cannot turn our back on the world and hope that these problems go away the geographic boundaries are not really relevant in this modern age and we have to confront the world as it is. but the thing about america is that we are never out of the fight, we fall down, but we always rise up again, we dust ourselves off and we press ahead, this is who we are. this is how we started, this is how we are going to be moving forward. now it's time to demand the leadership that we deserve, optimistic leadership we stand
shoulder to shoulder and everyone as americans advanced to interests and proving to allies that they can have no better friend and convincing all the others that they can have no worse enemy. we can use that to achieve this in a push and pull type of policy with robust leadership. and we give foreign aid to many countries and that should form part of our power and the with all of the money that we get from around the world, we are not taking advantage of what we get. and i find this fact amazing. the u.s. is home to some of the best marketers that the world has ever known and that's why people wear michael jordan t-shirts in the congo, they drink pepsi and paraguay they dance hip-hop like andrew in haiti. [laughter] and yet none of these professional efforts have ever been employed were demonstrated to the people how we are helping them around the world. it's absurd that we would give these foreign aid packages
without making them aware who to thank. but use those talents that are arguably the most american of industries to help do that as well as combat the brand of isis. that is a better strategy than a self-aggrandizing leak to "the new york times" that our president is personally approving every drone strike in their country. when it comes to our power we should resend with draconian and untargeted cuts made in 2013 congress that failed to reach an agreement in cutting the budget in a rational and responsible and sustainable way. if you are a runner and i know you are you know that it's easier to keep up and catch up. it's the same way with military spending. we can definitely find savings but the sequestration cuts are indiscriminate and we need leaders who are going to roll up their sleeves and not take the easy way out, putting more of a
burden on the already loaded back of our men and women in uniform. our way of life and are currently reluctant role of the world rests upon them and that is a reality that we owe them the best. when and if we decide that we will go and fight and we have folks that will go forward and engage our enemies, we must do so wholeheartedly. unbelievably small is not a phrase that any american leaders should ever utter about a military operation. it's a sign that we are not serious. and it all starts with having the resources in place prior to any operation. so we decide to go in, then we go all in. the ladies and gentlemen, i have served on the battlefield and in elective office and i have learned from both places and when i finally learned is this. it is time again for america to
see the world as it truly is. there can be no intentional confusing of the nature of direct threats to our well-being and to our way of life. there are evil people in the world i want to erase the offenses of the last century and subjugate men and women to their misguided and wrong believes and they present us with the greatest challenges of our lifetime. that challenge calls for an america that knows its place as the ultimate defender of liberty and freedom for all and that backs away from no threat, that is prepared and clear eyed and always vigilant. like my old friend it leaves no man behind on the field of battle. thank you all so much and god bless you. [applause] [applause]
[applause] >> thank you. >> i would like to open it up for question and answer. i like long walks on the beach reruns @-at-sign feld and hershey kisses. >> we are going to be taking questions today, please wait for the microphone to give you and please say her name before you ask your question. >> hello, just recently i read where tom cotten had set with obama's telling the plans the military plans given the timeline, how many are going in, the whole thing, he is actually coming out and saying that he is aiding and abetting the enemy. the lieutenant general mcinerney has retired and did the same
thing. so i'm just wondering what do we as a nation, what do we do with a president that is aiding and abetting the enemy? >> i first want to say where is my military table back there. do you guys ever think that we should say what we are bringing to bear ever remapped. [laughter] it makes no sense and this demonstration certainly had history and they would probably argue this, but i think they have a history of telling national security secrets and doing things that give them attention to show that they are doing something about the problem even if it is pinprick airstrikes, we think that we can never win a war with airstrikes won't? now, you need intelligence, folks on the ground boots on the ground, i think that the first and foremost thing that everyone in this room should be doing is working for 2016.
switching the direction and i personally believe that it's wrong for opposition and the world, american interests, and the folks who go overseas to fight for us, so i would just say that. i won't go as far to say that they are abetting the enemy but they are at least indirectly, of course it is. they know when the operation is going down, they know how many iraqis are going to be there, they know what we are going to be doing to do that. i mean, what would you guys be doing if you have that information in a preparing. so i think it's tragic and there should be nothing more that we are focused on then changing this direction and changing the party in the white house in 2016. thank you. >> thank you for coming today and thank you for your service. >> it is my pleasure. >> i understand the problems
with rules of engagement can you address that and i understand the senate has some control over that remapped two i remember in 2009 when the president came in as are the active in our seo community and we were really world worried about the rules of engagement and in the s.e.a.l. community we were speaking out very harshly about that. i think that that hasn't changed and you heard me say that generally speaking, but we cannot send people overseas with one hand tied behind their back. i talk about my own on policy, it's kind of like a bar fight foreign policy, you don't start any trouble, you don't pick on anyone, if someone messes with you try to diffuse the situation and calm down, no problem, but somebody puts her hands on you
you beat them into submission. that's the way it works. so if you are going to send men and women to fight on her behalf, you have to let them do it with both hands. [applause] so thank you for your question. >> thank you for coming to santa barbara. >> of course, it's beautiful. >> scott, since we live in such a different america now what are the consequences that you have had for speaking out about your book. have they been positive or negative? >> that is an excellent question. taking you back to 2012 in 2012 when the bin laden raid happened and you know what the tactics were, what they found, the actual intelligence, would you ever say what stuckey found their remapped know, once that
happened and that you had the other leagues and i speak about this in the book it started making them really upset because the folks are on the frontline. and it hinders abilities to conduct operations. so we were very critical of the president for releasing national security secrets and so we did speak out and we were certainly criticize and even the president himself was criticized and was very dismissive and we definitely took some heaviness which was fine. i don't care about that. but the book itself has come out on monday. most of the feedback i've gotten has been overwhelmingly positive but i haven't been speaking with the democrats group. so most of them and e-mails and stuff, it has been
overwhelmingly positive. you have a few folks saying what about bush and that's the go to line when they are being critical about something but so far so good. >> hello my name is. carol and i'm 90 years old and i did a lot. also in our family we have some artistic ideas of somebody that designs the escalator and i didn't notice until recently. and i am the one that got the idea that slowed and stopped the war in iraq when you say having to do that, i didn't have any training, but if somebody has a son anywhere in the service of the country, i pray for them. every day.
and one morning i got up and i said oh, my gosh, did i dream this? or what, but no i think that that is the way to stop this war in iraq. and i called it into the pentagon. and i said you have to get someone like us, this has to be called in to the president, the president likes to know when i have a new idea. [laughter] and it was president george bush. and so i said i want somebody like a kernel with a couple of people on either side of him [inaudible] get as many together as you can and at that meeting you say
wouldn't you know that i'm having a senior moment. [laughter] >> you are a young american, 25 and holding. [laughter] >> the fact is that -- what did i do? [inaudible conversations] >> also with the general press i talked about leaflets and general franklin, he spoke about the drop leaflets and when they went through not one bullet was shot from the enemy. >> you have a question? >> yes yes.
and i warned them and that's what it was, i warned them that they started to worry about themselves because iraq iraq and iran would come in and the first thing they are going to look for is this because they have 100 soldiers under them. ahead will be on the right side, the body will be on the left side, then turn around do a military term, no questions and then walk out. and that was in "the wall street journal." >> thank you. >> i thank you for the prayers. you can never get enough pairs. so i thank you and appreciate it.
[inaudible] >> hello, my name is john mckenzie and we have yet another secretary of state. what is your take on the latest secretary of state? >> john kerry? [laughter] >> okay, look it is sort of the same thing you have the same sort of worldview, he thinks that he will be able to negotiate things, that we will be able to accommodate enemies in iran, that he would be able to get some kind of deal just to say they got a deal, but when you listen to netanyahu or others who tell it like it is because they are living in that
part of the world, it contradicts policies and how they are approaching them. so i just don't think that he will be able to advance anything and i don't think he's strong enough, i don't think this administration is serious enough to be able to allow him to be strong and allow him to get something done that will really help american interests and prevent iran from getting the bomb. just looking for the 2016. >> hello, thank you so much for being here, i am curious, there has been a number of books out in the last two years and we have others as well, it seems like the navy s.e.a.l. community
comes out against them and it is something that i'm wondering, if you just have feedback from your brother. >> that is an excellent question. let me take us back a couple of years, leadership matters leadership matters. i would say it prompted a lot of books coming out except for lone survivor. saying that it had nothing to do with the bin laden raid, it's a story that i think is inspirational to the whole nation should know about. when i was here in iraq it was three days before that so these guys are sending e-mails, making fun of me. [laughter] and unfortunately that is not happening. so when you have this even the admirals who are complicit, releasing this to "the new york
times" and collaborating with hollywood, bringing people in for top-secret information giving them access to planners and stuff like that, let me just a bit because you do this, this does not mean that you have something that isn't need to know only. when you have that $100 million made in profits for a movie that was originally supposed to come out before the president was reelected of course it was to help the reelection campaign. it's hard to tell people who are were actually there that they can't say anything, leadership matters, so if they wanted them to be quiet they should have been tried at the highest levels as well. that being dead i don't agree with a couple of my brothers on how they did it, but at the same time they were there and rob o'neill, he saw his book, he was an excellent navy s.e.a.l. i don't agree with exactly how he did it, but when i look at what the leadership dead it's
hard to tell someone not to do what you just did. and so rightfully so in the active-duty command you have the upper echelon who is not involved with the other higher-ups and they are trying to get the discipline back and they have do. it's an unfortunate situation that sort of came about for his because of the lack of leadership. so thank you. we will take one more question. >> first of all i would like to thank you for being here as well as your service, my name is leonard and my question is raised upon your early navy s.e.a.l. experience, do you have any insight as to the policy that has been developing towards cuba to . >> i do not have a specific policy so i would say no.
it was never really talked about until recently. but i don't know, personally there's a lot of economic potential there because if they do open up relations in cuba who is going to provide them with everything? it's going to be america. but at the same time we have to make sure that human rights that the castro regime reduces the human rights violations and lets people be free and gives them more liberty. but no, i did not give any personal experience in my time. >> one more, she's chomping at the bit back there. [laughter] >> he approved it. the boss said so yes you got it. [laughter] >> hello, thank you for being here because i appreciate what you have done