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our foreign-policy goes, complete disaster. as far as race relations go here, i have never seen this country more divided. i'm only 38 but it's never been worse than they are right now. i'd like to know what mr. smith has to say about that, please. please. thank you. >> foreign-policy and race relations with pres. obama long term. how do you think that will play out? >> i think it's safe to say that foreign-policy is in many ways the most treacherous ground for any president, but particularly for this president. i this president. i mentioned the iranian nuclear program and the uncertainty that attends to the future of those talks. clearly there are a lot of people were very disappointed with the president's policy in the middle east. there are many people who are traditionally friends of israel who believe he has not been
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adequately supportive of that traditional ally. people look at the arab spring which has developed into something unsparing like. the question is how much did an american president have to do with that? what can an american president do in response to that? those are legitimate questions and they are questions you can be sure historians will be debating for a very long time to come. but that in a curious way goes back to my point, like him or dislike him, whatever, the fact that barack obama, and whatever his legacy is will engage the interest and attention the support and hostility of historians and others for a long time to come only testifies to
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the significance of his presidency and the magnitude of what he has attempted. >> richard norton smith is our guest talking about the reporting after the presidents win on the trade bills and also the relation ship with the supreme court on same-sex marriage and their reporting that this was his best week ever. we are discussing his legacy. >> you mention the supreme court. this is something we knowing can measure right now. for example a significant part of george w. bush legacy is his supreme court. his nominations. a significant part of obama's
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legacy legacy will be his supreme court nominations. the two bush appointees canceled out the two obama appointees. that's how history gets written. >> let's hear from jay in lancaster south carolina on the democrats line. >> mr. smith, i was at a party the other night and people were talking about great eggnog ration addresses. they were talking about fdr and jfk and and someone mentioned gerald ford. i looked it up on the c-span website and it was a pretty awesome address. i i was wondering how that came about. >> it's a great question. the pres. himself used to laugh about it because first of all, you have to remember, this was a unique inauguration.
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more than that because of the unique circumstances surrounding the transition from nixon to ford he couldn't prepare an inaugural address. there was no time between an election and inauguration day. this was put together the last minute. it is eight minutes long and he looked at it the day before he delivered it. there was a line was a line he thought was a little bit over the top. he thought it was a little bit harsh on the soon-to-be former pres. nixon. of course. of course it's the line we all remember our long national nightmare is over. the speechwriter who like many people around for could speak very frankly to him, he went to
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the mat and said that's the phrase that people will remember. of course hartman was right and ford was wrong. he was the first to acknowledge in later years that he had misjudged it and that bob hartman was right. one other inaugural inaugural address, if you want to read a great inaugural address, read would roll wilson's first and outgrow address. woodrow wilson. >> that is not in our library. you said you thought the speech was awesome. what struck out to you as being awesome about it? >> i liked liked the brevity of it. it was just seem to be the right person at the right time delivering the right speech at the right moment.
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his humanity came out in it. >> i'm glad you called him this morning. let's. let's hear from john in maryland whose in our republican line. >> i think it's a little early since he has a year and a half left and so many things can happen as we've seen with that week that was with the trade success and the two supreme court decisions. by the way fdr tried to stack a supreme court so he could get more favorable rulings out of his appointees and that didn't fly but when he put president obama put soda my r and kagan in there, obviously they were his people. they think like him. sonia soto mayor was caught in
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law school saying we don't have to say this but we do make policy. that should have knocked her out in the confirmation process. alina kagan never served as a judge. i guess guess the closest thing she came to federal politics was a solicitor general. her main case was obama care. of course when course when obama care came to the supreme court the first time she didn't recuse herself. i don't know what these people were thinking. there has been a very favorable media, it sounds like as a presidential biographer you are in the same mode as michael bash loss who when he was on with ibis in the morning he was bragging about obama being the
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smartest guy whoever served in the office. his iq was over-the-top and don said what is his iq? well he's gotta be the smartest guy who's ever been the president? well what is his iq? i thought you knew since you're bragging about his iq. >> any thoughts? >> i'll let michael speak for himself, i think who think who knows who is the smartest president. i would suggest thomas jefferson and john quincy adams were probably the most so lead role of the american presidents. woodrow went wilson is up there as well. >> lincoln and washington are the at the top, franklin and thomas jefferson as well.
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george hwb bush, clinton and reagan are also ahead of obama. do former presidents generally receive a more favorable view from the distance? is it absence makes the heart grow fonder or what? >> that's. >> that's a great question because generally speaking presidents leave office at the nadir of their reputation. we have fatigue wish fatigue obama fatigue. what happens is once they leave office, they cease to be in our face. they cease to be political figures party leaders. they graduate to that position of elder statesmen. they go off and visit earthquakes and raise money for charity. this is another reason why it
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takes time before the first draft of history, which is journalism becomes the second and the third and the fourth. the more controversial ironically a president is, the more polarizing a president is the longer, the longer it takes for those emotions to cool. richard nixon certainly one of the more controversial president said it would take 50 years before anyone could write about him with objectivity. well, we are coming up on 50 years and there are several new books out. that's another -- i count three new books this summer there are three new books on fdr and he's been out of office for 70 years. it just reinforces my point. i'm
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not suggesting we half to wait 50 years or 70 years 70 years to pass judgment on the obama presidency but it's going to be a while. >> the business insider headline, the last week that cemented obama's legacy, let's hear from the republican line. >> good morning. i honestly believe in the final analysis, this president will go down as the most divisive president in the history of this country. so many of us, both democrats and republicans, have spent a lifetime spent a lifetime trying to create a seamless society. a homogenous society of bringing all people together collectively it seems to me that based on his background and some of his affiliations, based on what he fails to do more than what he does, he is creating a divisive society by design. reason? i don't know.? i don't know. what is his true politics? it sure isn't traditional democrat as my father knew and grew up in.
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it's very difficult for someone like myself to get a handle on what he really intends or is tending to do. i don't think the republican dislike him as much as they distrust him. not because of his race but primarily because of his programs. how he rammed rotted through nancy pelosi, the care act. how he did all these other things without regard, without an attempt to meet with leadership on the other side of the aisle. >> let's hear your thoughts. >> obviously the collar is entitled to his view. i would suggest and it may come as a shock, abraham lincoln was the most divisive president.
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it caused several states to leave the union followed by several more. for most of his presidency, he was literally in half of the former union regarded as a mortal enemy. it is only in retrospect that lincoln has been to some degree, sanctified. lyndon johnson listen to people outside say lbj, how many kids did you kill today? it doesn't get much more divisive than that. i think actually, divisiveness is in the eye of the beholder. it has become, unfortunately somewhat the norm. i think we should ask ourselves some pretty tough questions about how we got to this point, and why there is such bipartisan distrust not
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only toward government and people associated with government but whoever happens to occupy the presidency at any given time. the whole industry of this country, we all know there are cable networks on the right and on the left that thrive on the basis of denigrating whoever happens to be president. ronald reagan, in the pre-internet era who era who could go on tv and summon thousands of people to make phone calls to southern democrats to pass his budget. those weapons no longer are available to an american president. part of what the caller, the caller talked about this president being different. part of that part of that is responding to the different media environment. it's not your grandfather's presidency. the bully pulpit has been transformed in many ways by the
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internet and other media. so the presidency is a work in progress. >> certainly some of that is social media. another caller is saying the most divisive is legacy and contrast. they will go down as the least productive congress failing to repeal the healthcare law over 50 times. a couple more calls, we hear, we hear from texas on the democrat line. it's pat. >> pat you're on the air. >> i just like to know you feel history will remember the white house with the rainbow color. that's the first time this has ever been done. >> it was a little tough to hear that. how do you think history will
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view the white house being bathed in rainbow colored paint? >> i'm not not sure history as opposed to the current media will take a great deal of notice to it. history will pay much more attention to the decision and the process that led to the decision rather than the white house's choice of colors to celebrate it. >> let's have one more call from akron ohio. here's wes. >> i actually think there are three parts to the obama legacy. as far as verbiage goes i think you didn't build that as one that will go down in history for me. the other i agree with the other collars that he is the most divisive president we have ever had. rich against poor, gay against straight, mail against female. you have to admit this has to go down in history as the worst
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recovery of any time since the war. >> let's end on the economy because we haven't talked about that. where over the course of the last seven or eight years the legacy is now for pres. obama. >> it's very much a work in progress. you cannot cannot fail to contrast where the economy was on the day barack obama first took the oval office and where it is today. i think history will give this president more present credit then contemporaries want to for the economic for bringing us back from the brink. by by the way i think if both george w bush and brock obama deserve a lot of credit for working together during those critical
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month between the presidencies at a time when the economy could have gone over the brink and it didn't. at the same time, there is a very legitimate argument to be had, and we will hear a lot of it in the upcoming presidential campaign about the nature of the recovery and the pace of the recovery and above all, the income inequities that people see of jobs that pay less than the jobs they are replacing. it just illustrates how fruitful a debate we will have not just in 2016 but for a very long time. >> richard norton smith ran several museums. he is working on a new book on gerald ford and of course our historian on our first lady series. thanks again for joining us this morning on "washington journal". >> my pleasure.
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>> we have more on obama's legacy. they interview the former deputy of staff. this 90 minute discussion happened happen the week after supreme court rulings legalizing same-sex marriage and tax subsidies to help people buy insurance. >> please welcome the correspondent. >> thank you very much and for coming out to the first practice of july. welcome to july and thank you so much for being there. welcome to all of you in live stream land. we land. we have an amazing line up on president obama's big week. attribute to my clinical
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colleagues in the kind of people that are going to be here that this came together over the weekend. president obama had this amazing week and we thought we should have a conversation about this. here we are. in just a second, standing in the wings is ambassador the u.s. trade ambassador, and and we will have to conversation about marriage. he has been there from the beginning and worked on this for more than a decade. the president of freedom to marry. the president of the religious liberty commission of the southern baptist convention, he will talk to us about what he's telling his pastors about how they should talk about this issue now. for the big finish, a lot of you know jim mussina who
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is the architect of pres. obama's reelection. president obama's reelection. we will talk about the progressive agenda goes from here and how pres. obama has changed. before we kick off i'd like to thank bank of america for the support of the series, on the road, breakfast lunch, snacks and cocktails. we appreciate them supporting these conversations about the biggest issues in washington. they have been a great partner for couple years and we are very appreciative to them for making these conversations possible. now, without further ado i'd like to welcome the united states trade represent vented of. >> congratulations. you have always said what happened last week was going to. some people in the press doubted it. they were wrong. you have known pres. obama longer than just about any one. longer than michelle obama. >> i won't try to compete on those grounds but we have known each other for many years. we
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were in law school together. >> they weren't just in law school together but they were on law review so they been you've been calling him mr. pres. for a long time. >> what quality does he have on the mar review that he still has now? >> you can see a number of the same qualities. at the time, if people remember back to the late '80s, there was a lot of division on campuses and between conservatives and liberals. he was elected president of law review in part because he was trying to bring people together from different parts of the law school community and have a cohesive group put out the journal. he did a very good job of building consensus and including everybody. i see i see some of those same traits today. >> anything different besides the fact that he doesn't publicly smoke? >> he has much more gray hair
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than he did then. but he really is i think quite a bit of continuity from who he was back then to how he has evolved as a political leader cents. >> will start with the news. they popped up a story that he deemed a brass copy of the tcp intellectual property his headline leaked. is the white house going to back bat? what would the free trade deal give pharmaceutical firms protection from cheaper generic drugs? why are you carrying water for a big farmer? >> we don't comment on
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supposedly leaked drafts. i don't know which document he has. let me address the substance of the issue which is, when it comes to those involving pharmaceutical products, our view is on one hand we want to incentivize the development and research of life treatments. most of that is done by americans. on the other hand we want to ensure there is access to affordable medicines in developing countries. that is consistent with the direction we have received from congress in regard to how to deal with this issue. we are always trying to strike a balance. we have 40 million have 40 million americans whose jobs are dependent on intellectual property. we do think that is an important set of rights to enforce to protect those jobs here in the united states, but at the same
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time it is critically important that we maintain and increase access to medicine. we as a country have done this in a way where now 85% of all prescriptions filled are filled by generic producers. we don't think there is a contradiction between promoting innovation and promoting access to affordable medicine. that's the approach we take internationally as well. >> if we were to put subtitles it would say it was a pretty accurate leak. >> i don't know if i would say that. the intellectual property chapters one of the chapters among the most outstanding issues. according. according to the article that was drafted prior to our last round of negotiations and want him in june, so it has already evolved since then. it will evolve further between now and the close of negotiations.
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>> isn't the danger of this provision that it could mean fewer generics in higher drug prices? >> know, what we have found around the world as you can only have generics if you have innovative medicine. you have to have a pipeline to feed the generic medicine. that generic pipeline is critical to maintaining and controlling healthcare costs in the united states and around the world. it's something we want to encourage but we also want to encourage innovation and invention. >> so people in the room and in live stream land please tweet us. i have the twitter machine here. let's set the scene here a little bit. as bit. as you know we will talk about the presidents historic, talking talking about trade and marriage and the agenda ahead. we talked about obama's defining moment. this is joe klein here in time that we sought to define him politically. the very week that his socialist said the health care plan was
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upheld his quietly proposed plan were passed by a republican congress. how did you pull that off? >> it was a was a very good very good week across the board for marriage equality and the affordable care act that gave healthcare to 16 million americans that didn't have it before, and the trade agenda. it's the combination of many years of work in many areas. we worked very closely with congress for the last couple of years consulting with them getting their input making sure they knew it what it was we were negotiating and trying to achieve with our trade agenda and building support for it on both sides of the aisle. ultimately we were pleased we had bipartisan majorities in both the house and the senate in favor of moving forward both
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with trade authority and our preference programs that help support development around the world, to level level the playing field act which helps our domestic manufacturers fight against unfair trade practices. it was a a very positive week across the board. i think one point we made and he makes in his article is this trade agreement will have the strongest labor and environmental provision of any trade agreement and will be fully enforceable. for the first time we impose discipline on state enterprise when they compete against our private firms, they have to do so on a level playing field on a commercial level. making sure there is a free and open internet, that there is a free flow of data across borders so a company doesn't have to relocate to serve companies in those areas.
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>> we really went out on a limb in the last week. >> we worked very closely with labor throughout these negotiations. they serve on our advisory committee and had a lot of input. not just the labor chapter, but the state and enterprise chapter and other chapters as well. we will continue working with them because we think a number of the issues they raise about the impact of globalization on american jobs and ways wages are legitimate concerns. in our view trade agreements is how you shape those. how you can make sure that the economy is working for the american people. we are talking a few months ago that trade has always been bipartisan. proof of that, which most people don't know, is, is your very first white house job. >> you have a very good memory mike. that's a little dangerous. my very first white house job i was a white house fellow.
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that was in 1992. i was a democrat hired into the very in and of the bush administration. when i arrived arrived at the white house, my boss at the time a long standing economic policymaker in this town looked at me and looked at my resume and said as a democrat the only thing we can trust you with his trade policy.
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>> >> so far you have not then a successful to address those concerns the.
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>> pricing policy has been a terrific leader. of one thing that she did with us is that her request she organized the number of "in-depth" discussions to the house democratic caucus to go a chapter by chapter to spend a couple of hours them present what it is we are negotiating. that was the term is a useful to get the opportunity for the critics to give real feedback to help shape a hour negotiating positions but also for those who are undecided and one than to learn more about dpp to get a better understanding of as well. this process has been enormously useful to make clear what congress expects
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with the high standard agreement to check out the negotiations as we're moving forward. >> other presidents have had fast-track authority what is the most optimistic case for what you can and deliver? >> we're in the final stages of negotiating a cantor reasonable number of outstanding issues but those are the most difficult weather on market access or intellectual property. the first order of businesses to complete those negotiations to bring that back for congressional approval also with the transatlantic trade and partnership and continue to
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make a progress to complete that as well. we have three negotiations going on with geneva and one on information technology pfiffner fifth and faced the fifth to make good progress on those as well. >> what is the most hopeful timeline 90 pp? >> as soon as we can. [laughter] >> with bystanders three set for ourselves. you can'' beyond that. >> you are hoping what. >> we hope that will be in the near-term. [laughter] >> before fall? >> we hope it is in that
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time for a umph but there is a timetable is what it provides for to give the 90 day notification before he signs the agreement and 60 days before the president signs it so it is out there to analyze and have hearings and raise questions say and to pay for that to be considered it will be out there for months before it is voted on. >> we hope congress will pass it as soon as possible. and as early as possible in that timeframe. >> what is the likelihood they will pass it? >> it is very high.
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it will be a good agreement it has had enormous simplify from congress we have a good sense what congress is expecting we will convey that to our trading partners >> your the national security adviser as the member of the cabinet and the team with cnn to write the poll to save many white house observers noted pact with the victories with the fast track authority pension -- punctuated on friday with the help bin celebration with a change in tone for obama. what is that? >> over the last several months you have seized important progress whether relations with cuba the
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legislative achievements of the supreme court or the president's call for action on race issues with his eulogy calling for healing and reflection at this time. i seek there is a sense this is the fourth quarter of his presidency and the fourth quarter is important and will do everything he can and to achieve the objectives. >> qc the president behind-the-scenes. >> i think he has been working from the beginning of the administration to a finance his agenda and we have seen that covered to fruition over the last several months we're using
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the remaining time in office to advance middle-class economics with the outstanding issues to have maximum impact. >> how does that figure? >> it is one important piece but as far as from the premise 85% of the world's consumers live outside the united states we already take imports from the rest of the world so our challenge is to make sure reopen in other economies to our experts whether agricultural products or services to open other markets to raise standards so there is a more level playing field. that helps to create good well paying jobs here in united states.
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summer between five and 7,000 jobs pay up to 18 percent more on average. and it is a way to support the wage equality issues fifth. >> you were talking earlier about what you would agree with the so what was the of constructive role from pros trade democrats? >> to enroll up their sleeves and dug in shoes the negotiations in detail. bay asked very challenging questions over and over again they gave us important feedback and made it clear while supporting tpa they will hold our feet to the fire to make sure the best possible agreement we set up
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for ourselves to attract the volta ultimately on the agreement so those interlocutors as rigo for word. >> said democratic caucus with of many points of view and we respect all of those and we take input from all of those. >> thank you for watching a couple of twitter questions one of the questions brings together your previous experience to see trade as the domestic policy or foreign policy? >> trade agreements first
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and foremost, must be justified to have the rationale of the economics the strengthening of the middle class in the united states that is the number one priority that is why there's so much focus to raise environmental standards who bet the same time pahang it also has a broader strategic implications it is the key part of rebalancing toward asia strategy one of the concrete, manifestations they bled to be involved with us as well and it is critically important they are negotiating their own agreements it is important we don't suit that leadership and on the transatlantic originally
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that was motivated by the need for strategy's coming at a financial crisis now of series of challenges as a growth strategy but when with russia and ukraine with broader strategic implications as well to the security of western europe how they do energy relationships. >> what issues still remained in negotiation with japan? >> we have some of market access issue three have been discussing agriculture and auto they had closed markets in both through tpp we're working to open those markets so we made very good progress over the last year
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and a half but we still have outstanding issues end does and a great job to cover this and he has a couple of questions for you mr. ambassador. >> good morning. could you lay out your travel schedule in the next couple of weeks and months ahead issues seek to wrap up said dpp agreement? would you expect to have meetings with your japanese
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>> there are other issues i think we are working on like the canada of market access it remains an important outstanding issue whether intellectual property rights that we're working on as well. >> in terms of japan there was of lot of interest in the agricultural community in terms of the final agreement will there be tariff exceptions or some will not see complete elimination? white crisis that culturally sensitive issue. >> one important firm previous agreements is there
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will be no product area exceptions all product areas will be covered brothers japan and other trading partners will go through priority areas of sensitivity to find the best way to achieve commercial access that is through tariff elimination with a span of quota those are all tools nereus seeing to ensure the exporters have an access to support the market >> will it get access to the sugar market? >> we're talking to all the parties there is great sensitivity to our market here that will not undermine the sugar program. >> referring to the next
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round of negotiations they seem to be moving rather slowly. what is the impact of the current situation in greece that united kingdom may opt out of the european union does that have an impact on the negotiations? >> we are working with the commission to move ahead on the all outstanding issues and we have amata progress over the last year-and-a-half we continue to make progress with the new commission in november we have a fresh start working closely with the commissioner that we have of work program that we can
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deliver those negotiations and we will do that next week as well. >> you're not concerned the european union is this -- disagree -- disintegrating as you try to come to an agreement? [laughter] >> we are very focused europe is unified and growing but from the trade perspective we are working through our issues and continuing to make progress. >> after the big picture. >> did you under estimate the strain of democratic opposition? >> trade issues have always been tough we always had robust trade politics with a robust debate around trade agreements are trade bills
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and last week's votes were no different in that regard. certainly over the last two years of the financial crisis the impact of globalization it has sensitize people a great deal to the concerns raised but also underscored remove in the global economy we cannot afford not to be engaged to define in the rules of the road with of race touche the bottom so we can sit back to note the impact gore be proactive to raise standards around the world with environmental protections mitt that are competing in the president's
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view is that is the better way not simply to express concern but to be proactive to address the impact. >> as we say goodbye your wife is executive director that promotes pediatric cancer research. percent had a of a brain tumor when he was 10. what we need to doing for them after your of the government payroll? rick thank you for remembering that. the most important bay is bring attention to the fact there has been little development of pediatric drugs from but what she has tried to do is make sure we create incentives for those
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is have fewer side effects to be shared with kids as well. >> would you imagine doing when you're out of office? >> to take a nap. [laughter] tell us about bend's bay and. >> you have a remarkable memory or very good research assistance. he is the lead guitarist and helps to contribute to the writing of original songs of the show a 30 droll's rights hero of unrequited love and heartbreak. [laughter] he really enjoys it and i give great credit to the boys they have been playing five years together and they've remained dedicated. although the love songs are more recent. [laughter] they have a good time together. >> and you were once the
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drummer? >> yes. my family has musical talents. i don't. >> now we will ask each guest where will you be? >> of the mall. >> we appreciate the conversation. now we will welcome back of then. >> good to be here with you. >> a then will send one of the regionals working on gay marriage going back 12 years ago when he founded freedom to marry now president and on monday night he went to a gay weddings. >> whose idea was that? [laughter] >> what were people saying.
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>> bay were joyous all the guests individually up and congratulated me they were close friends of my husband and me they wanted to have it on their actual 25th anniversary of the night that they met people were celebrating and happy and everybody had a story so it is part of a love of ocean and joy than ever since the supreme court ruled. >> presidents love wins was the tweet heard around the world what did you see? >> one of my favorites was the tweet now they we're done with your staff can i put them away vice said he would be very smart to snatch them up when we
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closed down. >> when will that be? >> the next several months we will do a strategic point down the campaign freedom to very is done. we have achieved our goal but the work of the movement is far from over. there is so much work literally of the day that we won the 32 year piece of work for me and with the decades movement iran and not dead in "the new york times" talking about how we build on this for the work ahead because we are far from done. >> your op-ed which was the next fight you talk about federal protection from discrimination in the workplace. people can still be fired fired, evicted, refused service or humiliated because of sexual orientation or gender identity. what is the biggest risk for a gay person in america?
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fumigate and transgendered people are denied service and fired we're seeing predictable and familiar cyclical civil rights efforts to undermine the advances with religious freedom laws aimed at carving out licenses to discriminate said this is something we have seen in every civil rights chapter and gay people and transgendered people do that with employment and housing and so one. and unlike with marriage the american people strongly support nondiscrimination and protection. our country knows they are part of protecting people's ability to contribute to the democracy but the majority don't realize they don't have these protections. we need a robust conversation that we need
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that federal civil-rights law and state and local measures process to help business know what the rules and guidelines are so they can move forward with. >> how much concern to you have about the implementation of the supreme court decision? >> very little. the vast majority with. >> there is of little bit. there is a little bit of foot dragging and posturing that already most of that is waiting as we would expect the majority of the people respect the freedom to marry they know they gays will not use up all the of marriage
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license is. [laughter] there is plenty for every ready. now we want the freedom to marry in a lot but the conversation which helps to move the hearts and minds who with their co-workers are has only just arrived in earnest where they still need to give that chance so that will continue to be and in june of transformation. >> how did you decide to wind down? >> i am of big believer in the idea first you have to have clarity of coal and you have to put that out clearly so people can add raleigh the big work that is necessary. the clarity of coal should dictate strategy.
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you shape your strategy based on your goal. and how you get their dictates the structure how you build the tumor set up their resources. i don't think it is the best form of activism to think what else can we do? is a day critical mass to come together to say we want this gold and that is what is happening. >> what about you? >> i have no idea. i was constantly asked a question to not think about it. i have been working on this 32 years i need to figure out who am i if i am not mr. marriage and what should my next chapter be how to live make a contribution in and hopefully job offers will come in but i don't
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want to get caught up in that but then hopefully hear from friends and colleagues. >> you were buried october october 201120 years into the fight. what made that marriage possible? >> the freedom to marry a new york was a huge victory in our journey because we won it new york but also with the support of republicans in the legislature so acidified that political center of gravity has shifted so with the immense personal victory then jews celebrate the
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wedding to the man who has put up with a for 10 years in a beautiful wedding a few months later still resonates >> said chief justice roberts said they realize today to be portrayed as the villain is the oscar winning film. was there ever a possibility justice roberts would be than a majority? >> there is always a possibility people constantly told the their thoughts. >> i wrote a beautiful haiku that was published in "the wall street journal" that ran along the lines food knows no one knows? that was my attitude. we will see and now we have seen and unfortunately chief
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justice roberts got a wrong. when i told people is i would not be surprised and that was the truth what will be the story of the roberts court? >> and some of those they got right than the chief justice roberts and the colleagues are still young then there will be some changes and whoever is elected president will help us write to the story of what the roberts court will look like because we will see a change several justices are getting up there. it is very important to his president for many reasons.
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we can see the power of the supreme court. >> mentioning about the tweets what other social justice campaigns want to know how to read a campaign like this is the era they all want to know what could be learned? >> the freedom to bear a campaign is held up as a model of success of retried touche figure out how to get a write with any losses and stumbles but it will have worked hard to capture those lessons we can offer on the web site freedom to marry.
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i do with encourage people to go there. the clarity of the of gold the clarity of the vehicles to fill your strategy with the critical mass of support to create the climate for the of litigation in to succeed. letter reacting -- asking people to do? to make it through the bipartisan and we would welcome new voice is. and to help the american people push past their discomfort and stereotypes so the real stories of real people why marriage matters.
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we had of the 67 court rulings with freedom to marry because the judge said in the utah case it is not the constitution that has changed but our knowledge of what it means to be lesbian and gay that capture the strategy that we followed in with a law student to write them back so as a command and implies. >> candidature is out that not only knowing something is the engine change. and we work hard that have people to have the fairness.
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>> the national campaign director has the book out and off and though less sizzler and with the values san demotions the prior. >> prior to 2009 we had billed fe fragile authority. fifth we were at 27 percent of the american people by 2009 with the mix had moved people but what we were seeing is the next group of people they wanted to be fair but they did not understand why did gay people want to get married? so the emphasis on the
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treuhand real benefits and the legal abstractions were blocking them from connect a emotionally with the value of love and commitment and family so we shifted the emphasis toward equally true part that is how we went from for agile 53% now 63 percent we picked up the next group that connected with the hard to. >>host: "time" magazine calls to one of the hundred most powerful and influential people in the world. why did it take so long? to read the president was on injured eight -- a journey. and he answers to many people. he is even more powerful and deferential. i give the president
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enormous credit even before he cater out his administration's intact important and courageous steps for that in defense of all defense of marriage jack to call for high end screechy on the discrimination and supported the freedom to marry before his reelection he did not run away but i ran on that and got elected. the other thing that was the term loosely important was the way he and explained his support was a very powerful moment that gave people of commission he didn't talk is a lawyer or a commander in chief but as a dad who had values and trying to share those with his daughter and we saw a real shift and he has been a staunch champion
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ever since. >> all of american history the one person openly for gay marriage? >> dick cheney. >> why was the president not? >> i would say the reason he was not then and he said he thought it wasn't the politically safe staying to do and that is also an important lesson to people like me. our job is not to have them do what they want but what we want. the way we hope that does not by going where they are but going here so they can rise for us to pave the pathway and from date number one they engage with the administration and our argument is help us help you
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help us. sure enough that is what happened and the president is the important engine. >> with the boy's cap -- the boy scouts with the bay and on the gay leaders the president said they'd need to face reality calling for in end to the bay and and how you feel where they are at this moment? to make key called for in end period. they have already taken steps to meet announce that discrimination against them gay young people but as of today that we welcome the gay kids and participation and tell a scout turns 80 then he is horrible and passed to be thrown out. secretary gates has rightly said the rights answer is not partial discrimination
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but no discrimination just like 4h clubs and i really hope they will get where their members are and where the parents are that if you were there to provide support the you should provide to all kids. >> what is the most gay cost dial? >> generally speaking without religious infrastructure that remains high style to send messages of exclusion and not all villages there are more and more on the other side that the majority of the american people have moved to figure out a way to do to announce
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what they are hearing from the hierarchy to go to the true deep values like "the golden rule". that gives me a tremendous help even from cost dial religious leaders that they are losing their own flocks and their own people because they in understand the true values argue in favor of love to treat people with respect to shed those many of whom are religious and
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isolation are there with a struggle between two competing visions thought it happily we are prevailing because the people have embraced that but what we have seen is a few isolated examples of posturing even those who said the most horrible things it goes away because now they know they're out of step with the republican candidates.
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you are an authority on the supreme court and marriage and travel fifth and broadway shows and diners. what is the best diner in america not new york city? >> i am bad as remembering. i love good stuff on 14th street. >> why is it good? >> they know my name. >> would you look for? >> greek salad and a dream -- a -- egg cream.
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>> also the malibu diners. >> you will be in the diner business? >> where will you watch fireworks? >> probably from the roof deck of my building with my husband with what little momentum of called after an extraordinary week. >> we will hear from national they met backstage would you mind ask your lender is asking dr. more a question? >> base for joining us. [applause] >> ask each other a question >> you was the case. [laughter] >> the question that i gave backstage now that we have won the case and the country
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has signaled would you be willing to join with me and other colleagues is some dialogue with your flock so together we can help people move forward to gather and even if we disagree not be constantly divided? >> that is one of the things i have been doing for several years but we have to do that by coming to the table as who we are without putting a the convergence into a blind trust so if we could have an honest conversation and agree to you disagree it is healthy for american democracy. >> you can ask your question. >> in terms of marriage are you going to be committed to understanding the religious institutions who do not
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believe that marriage cayenne be defined in the way the court has defined it will use the power of the state to call worse those not to be true to their own convictions? >> marriage is not defined by a coup has defined it now they have won the freedom of the thing has changed in the definition in your definition is the same as it was three days ago now mine is respected by the law you can think whatever you want i would defend that but the law should treat us equally. the other day i would talk about with religious institutions but the vast majority of people of faith actually have come to support the freedom. >> that not once you look at
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who actually goes to a church if you do polling data this way if you are republican view never voted isn't accurate. >> i think we would each be better off if we tended to our own soul rather than telling other people they are bad. but to get to where i thank you were going that the law should defend the freedom of religion and the freedom to preach for we are free to put forward ever we believe the we are not free to do is use the government as a weapon to impose our beliefs on others for i believe our country has gotten that
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right and it is a wonderful thing to have with our democracy we should not undermine that. >> 84 coming. congratulations. happy weekend. dr. more than i had breakfast day couple weeks ago. i was struck by a of a practical approach that you take. you have been instructing other pastors what to say or what to do. it must deathbed a dark sunday. >> we have then working for years to be equipped to leaders to say it is not relegated so there are many
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who assume if they lived in the red state it was beyond them and it could be dealt with with a presidential election or to. so what several of us have said is you have to be ready to minister in a very changed context around here and that means evangelicals in particular could assume that most people aspired to what we mean when we say marriage and family. >> a christian friend said that now the church is clearly in the minority and there is something clarifying about that. >> absence of the. american christianity was
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too comfortable to be american and as the christian how caribe american events best if not first but now the time is your. there were a lot of american and christian vans to idealized in the 1950's or the '80s that really is not a christian vision of reality. to say that everything fell apart not with the counter culture of the 1960's but we have a more clarifying understanding. >> with the ethics than liberty collection you are the southern baptist as the ambassador to washington.
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>> putting out a one-page message the pro life model could be a model for the way for word. >> to go back in the time machine what will the pro-life movement look-alike ? most of them would have said there will not be a pro-life movement the issue is over and decided by the supreme court you have an active pro-life movement energized in the pro-life movement but it could not be the increase reactionary movement so we're trying to work and to persuade women to not
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pressure women to have ministry to women that have pregnancies so it will not be settled by a presidential election or to is a generation of long argument we have to make it how do they disagree? >> "the washington post" so why shouldn't the church panic? >> to save the choice was between bad and catastrophic.
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>> i keep falling back so the implications are far reaching that many people are not even is seeing right now but as the christian i have a long-term view of history and as a marriage is resilience that is embedded in the natural order is simply cannot be expanded away is no marriage will be back. the way that this is working me to of justice kennedy has argued in the majority opinion it is a matter of individual autonomy how do
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you keep the balance on that? solar is this what will happen with griswald you run the schaede previously unknown constitutional right to. >> res said you believe it will be back. >> i think what we will see we won't see have booming expansion but if we can look at what has happened in europe we will see a decline in marriage culture. that has bad consequences for children or family is our society and people will be disappointed to leave this will fix the problems at the end of the day say what is there other than this? we needed church that can
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say there is another way. >>host: sunday you pointed out looking over the millennia the church has thrived. >> when disease itself as part of a silent majority is we stop emphasizing those under christian in order to attempt to become more normal in the society that is the reason so much cruz june political activism really has not vent the illogically defined but in terms of traditional family values we go oded mayor barry in order teraflop -- thrive is started in the greco roman empire and gives the opportunity to reclaim christianity but the new
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testament tells us it causes it to thrive for cry was talking to a lesbian activist in she said i want to find out what you people believe and she said you have to know that what you say about very chair and sexuality sounds so strange that if she knew someone more on two or three dates she would assume that there is psychological abuse side and anyone in my peer groups who believes those things. i said i get that budget we believe in stranger things than that they're previously dead man will show up in the sky on a horse. that is pretty strange and freakish is and 1840's so we
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need to reclaim that. >>host: what do you read the church should not cave? >> a lot of people assume that if we just apply sound cultural pressure our political pressure then the catholic church will cave evangelicals, the mormons and say forget it about very june sexuality. that will not happen because it can. this isn't something that is incidental to what we believed. we believe there is than sexuality is that covenant from christ a and the church with the turtle consequences for the soul of those who participate. we will not be able to --.
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>>host: other ministers have said that christians in the church need to work on their own marriages. >> yes. one of the most controversial things i have to say anywhere is when i tell a couple who country to get married and they want me to officiate i will not let them write their own vows. they become upset and i say because the marriage is not about you. you don't know what to make vows about you were not keeping in mind what it means to stay with one another through the death of a child or alzheimer's you need the rest of the community and a gathering of witnesses to do that for you. i think the church has adopted cultural understanding is that sees marriage as about romantic
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fulfillment rather than in the bigger sense. >>host: eight twitter question. why don't you think the parallel drawn by the lgbt group with the gay marriage bay and? >> first call there isn't a band that what you have is a state that is recognizing there is something distinctive about the union of the man and a woman. . .
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so how is the book coming out august 1? kind of gives us a sneak peek, engaging the culture without losing the gospel. the cover is by got a cash and there is something unusual about the book. >> well, the kind of blue here is from an old johnny cash print. on the inside the publisher did kind of posters with different quotes from the book. i think they did five or six of them. >> five different covers quakes yes. so this one says kindness does not avoid conflict, kindness engages conflict both the goal reconciliation. >> you have written about adoption. adoption. you have four children. >> five. >> five children. tell us about adoption. >> well, we adopted our first two sons benjamin sons, benjamin and timothy from a russian orphanage they were -year-old. they just turned 14.
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and it is kind of a priority and concern for me because you have children all over the foster care system in the united states of america and in orphanages and in group homes around the world need families. and we have families in the united states who have room for another stocking on the mental this christmas. i am calling people to consider is god calling us to welcome children drowned? >> your children are ages three to 14. your 14. your number one childers and took? >> my number one child raising to is not to panic to recognize that children are going to do stupid things sometimes, as stupid does not mean disobedient necessarily. learn necessarily. learn to have kind of a tranquility about that and to spend time with them one-on-one. the best thing that i can do, especially with multiple kids to take each one of them with you want to trip or you are able to talk to them and maybe find out what is really going on their
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lives and they are not just in the hub of what is happening. >> i like that. you are mississippi native. two days after the shooting in charleston you wrote, is time to take down the confederate flag. it makes me wince symbol used to enslave the brothers and sisters of jesus. why does it take so long? >> for south carolina to take on the flag? i think because you have this argument going on for a long time that this isn't a matter of hate. it's a matter of heritage. and i think people are starting to recognize now has their having genuine conversations across racial and ethnic categories that the heritage as part of the problem. you have a flag that is used for an army fighting to enslave people and beyond that yellow flag is being used by terrorist groups and their state sponsors throughout the 20th century in order to terrorize african american people, to burn crosses on
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front lawns. and i think it is time for us to recognize that. the interesting thing for me is when i i wrote that piece i was expecting a lot of blowback from my fellow southerners command i received i received almost none. all of the hate mail i received came from yankees. you know people in idaho and montana and people from alaska and things like that. almost none from southerners and none at all from south carolina. because southerners call black and white, we know what that flag means. >> i think it's going to take a while in mississippi. i think instead in south carolina. >> and, where are you going to watch fireworks -- children? >> we are going to do an early fireworks on july 3 because i have to be on a
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plane on july 4. i will see the real fireworks from the plane. >> my thanks to daniel patterson, doctor morse chief of staff for making this possible. thank you for coming in. thank you for great conversation. thank you so much. >> thank you. [applauding] >> welcome out and thank you for coming. clicks appreciated. clicks been there from the beginning in chicago. in 2008 the architect and manager of the 2012 election within the white house as deputy chief of staff. what did you think leslie? >> i thought it was a culmination of an amazing moment in history. i think we will look back at the story and historians will realize what an important cultural moment this was and how our politics changed. president obama and many ways has helped start the same kind of political revolution of reagan did 30
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years ago, and you can see all that move in our politics that has differently changed in the past week. clicks continue with your.about reagan. >> i think if you look at the moment in time here just in politics that is completely changed, 20 years ago i started working in politics, you know gay rights was a was a huge white issue. both parties and with the electorate turned out a bunch of voters on that issue. i think he might have won the white house because of it. immigration was an issue inside the party. climate change was an issue people used to separate environmentalists from businesses. you you saw the same on trade, the same on a bunch of issues. all of those things where the democratic party is on the same side as the majority of americans which has changed our politics. >> a little bit a pretty good sense of what the eight years may look like to know what to they look like compared to what you imagined eight years ago? >> that is a great question. our member coming in the white house. you could see the economy
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falling off the table whether we would have a second great depression. in the end both president bush and president obama took huge steps to avoid that and begin the recovery. i remember early on we get day after day of terrible economic news, the family of action families of the president knife and says, is it too late to ask for a recount? you know it was a brutal time. and. and i think if you look forward and set in seven years you can have all these things we would have taken nrp. and the biggest -- the only finished piece of businesses climate. we will talk about climate. what else? did you think we get done or do you wish have gotten done? 's. >> the preeminent issue of our time will be income inequality. you hear the president talk about that. you see the
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democratic likely nominee sec. clinton talking about that every single day. clicks secrete cotton bowl likely. >> i am. i believe she will be the democratic nominee. >> what do you think is the percentage chance? >> ninety-nine. >> okay. never assume baby. now, on climate what do you think can still be done and what can be learned from the lessons the last few weeks about how to get more action on that the people had hoped >> well, if you look at it yesterday the united states and brazil announced an historic agreement that is a kind of bilateral agreement like the one that will continue to change the country. you have the paris front of climate negotiations which is an absolutely crucial moment to get a worldwide climate accord that could be another mammoth step. the president has already taken several huge steps. the truck rolls and a clean power movement will be
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finalize this summer. all of summer. all of those things are major, you know, defining moments in the fight to combat climate change. but i think paris is going to be an absolutely crucial moment this fall. >> you hear a lot about the present is free obama is free. you see the president and all moods come all states, all places. is that because he has passed electoral politics were figured it out for has experience or his work is bearing fruit call wise he suddenly hitting his stride now? >> i think he has always been more than any president in his lifetime. let me tell you why. the first week of the white house we sat down to have this absolutely knock down drag out fight internally about which issues to work on. people are pushing education first. he stood up and said them every single one of you know that healthcare is the right thing to do but you are all
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afraid of the politically. a very big problem. present glenn's first term. and then he goes and said, some of you do not even think i could win. but we are going to do is do whatever we think is right and start with healthcare. figure it out and out and he stood up and walked out. and ron looked at us and said, i guess were doing healthcare. >> do you sense the presence freedom now? >> i think he knows exactly what he wants to do with his remaining time to move this country forward. i think he feels absolutely focused on using every single moment of the next month until his successor comes in, and i am really proud of the work he has done. look at this week, a historic week. in the middle the middle of it is still launching a minimum wage increase for over 5 million americans, ramping up of bilateral deal with brazil a guy that is going to work
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every single moment command in his usual basketball analogies never stop shooting until the clock runs out. >> what do you sense for what you hear and what you see, see what do you sense about his mood or his -- >> he is a guy who does not really get up or down that much. he obviously had a great week last week and showed that a little bit at the press conference yesterday, but i have been with him in the toughest times in the best of times. and he still is a pretty calm, cool, collected guy you remember -- of told you this before five times from emmanuel and i walked i walked into the oval office and told him the healthcare bill is dead. all five times the pres. looked at us and said that's unacceptable. put everyone on the romanov fix it again. he could've easily given up or made a smaller and he continued to swing for the fences. the way you do that is by just focusing on the job, and that is what he is done. >> public leaders in public breakfast attendees, 2016. already hungry.
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the world's authority on electoral strategy. you think that the states to watch her virginia and colorado. why more so than florida or ohio? >> you have seen an absolute change in the electoral college in the past 15 years. by demographic changes and driven by president obama. think about it this way, democrats have have now carried 242 village or votes in the last five presidential elections. republicans occurred 191. after that new mexico and nevada which are two states that say democrats have his chances. 253. there still have 191. and look at the states that are most likely at the states that are most likely to tip us from 253-2270 colorado and virginia are states you would look at. not saying you would not look at florida and ohio but you know and 2012 florida it would be great to have, but dump the kitchen sink and
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virginia and ohio and colorado. demographically virginia and colorado are coming to us because of demographic changes in ways that ohio just doesn't. >> and what is your emerging electoral battleground? what are you going to be watching for 2020? and you cannot say texas. >> arizona is coming and fast. it just doesn't make sense if you and i agree that new mexico moved five or ten years ago. george bush tied both times basically. barack obama one big both times. it wasn't about that. nevada doing the same thing. so the state right in the middle is arizona. the demographic changes their. clicks you once had daydreams about georgia. >> i still do. and i think george is another another state like north carolina that will come back on the
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map. >> how is the election shaping up? >> come on. you would rather be a d. that doesn't mean we don't have real challenges although i just talk to you about the electoral college. college. the exciting thing i call the republican primary for president. every single day it's like this in the gift baskets of crazy stuff that they say. you know you think about the primaries and you can argue that mitt romney probably lost the presidential race in the georgia debate when where he came out so against immigration reform and came out and endorsed. in a way
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that just made it impossible to probably get to 270 electoral votes. if you are a young voter this country or a swing voter but you will want your republicans every single day campaign against issues you feel strongly about, against climate change i guess education reform against gay marriage against healthcare reform. those are going to really damage them. think about of one other way. ronald reagan 35 years ago move young voters to the republican side and ago move young voters to the republican side and now senior voters are still any republican. that is what you are seeing with barack obama and young voters in the democratic
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party. republicans are making it worse. we leave legislation in the battleground state by 35 points. if that stays true in the next 25 years it will change politics forever. >> of the 14 republicans would see more coming next month who do you think is playing their cars the smartest? >> i think today you would have to say they're off to a pretty good start. you you have to look at governor bush and say he wasted the first three months. i never think it's a good sign when your and your second campaign manager before you announced. but i think they had a very good start to the campaign. we will see whether they can keep it going, but the new york times did a front-page story capturing the most dangerous republican nominee will because of the contrast will be rubio. >> i think it's way too early for all that stuff. >> come on. clicks no. eight years ago you would've sat here and interviewed whoever it was in the seat and said no question he's having a terrible summer and was not going to be the democratic nominee and six month later he was. it's way too early. we haven't had a debate yet let's give him some time to continue to say
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crazy stuff. >> a what is rubio doing right? why does he look strong? >> i think he is consolidating himself, himself, out there trying to talk about bigger issues. he's out there you know not, not making mistakes which is always a big deal but we will see. there is a lot of time. >> what is governor bush done wrong? >> i think -- i still can't tell you what the reason for his candidacy is. i think that is a pretty dangerous place to be, and i think he has continued to move around. he's on his second campaign manager and has not announced or has just announced. >> the smartest republican operative working today? >> i think that roads. he was romney's campaign manager undocked -- and i doubted him every single day for 18 months. i think he ran a very good campaign. we got to do some stuff on the olympic bid together and i was wowed by how smart he is. >> and to working directly and 16 would you fear going up against if you were in it? >> you mean on the republican side? clicks yeah. clicks as an operative? clicks yeah. >> i'm really glad matt is not going back. we will have to see.
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>> who is the next sort of -- >> the truth is i don't know. i don't know them very well. >> what demographic group is going to matter most? >> latinos. latino voters will continue to be a very big group, and here is why. 44% of the latino vote in 2,042 and 2,004. romney just got 28 percent in battleground states. if they can't move that number nothing will work for them. an absolutely crucial part of the democratic electorate democrats of challenges. we have turnout issues. we are getting a historically small amount of white voters. a something we have to fix in 2016. >> i would think after 2012 the idea of targeting swing voters would voters would sort of the how to fashion your still hearing even democrats talking about it now. you are down on swing voters. >> i'm not down on swing voters. what i believe is i believe is that the american electorate is almost polarized. and there are historically small amounts of swing voters. i think in the old
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days you just has swing voters. now you have to do two things. you have to turn your vote out and you have to persuade swing voters. i think there have been a lot of articles in your wonderful paper about the choice between those two. i don't think it's a choice. but you cannot just focus on turning out your base. you have to turn out the swing voters, and you're still got to turnout your base. as about those are important. >> hoping sec. clinton. spent a lot of time raising. spent a lot of time raising money for the super pack, validator for her. >> i don't agree with that. that. i think she is a really great leader who has an incredible track record and a vision for moving this country forward. and i think she will do very well in the battleground states. look, the single most important thing in any presidential election is the definition of who can define the future. and future. i think if you look at the republican party right now
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they do not have any ability or plan to do that. as that. is the one thing of the files the republican party today. >> or oppositional barack obama. every single day what they're saying, it is just about how the disagree they disagree with barack obama. you cannot win a presidential campaign in opposition to a person or an idea. >> but is a working for them now? agree with that, but do you think they're smart to do it now? >> no, i don't. a have got to figure out a plan for the future. he has seen five months of campaigns. you want to pay me and i i can tell you three ideas they have laid out which is a problem. >> we are about to get the hook here. she is going to tell us about an event politico is doing this afternoon. we have a twitter question. can you address questions about the authenticity of hillary's support of progressive causes? >> look, hillary clinton has had a lifetime support for
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progressive causes. campaigning for universal access to healthcare health care 30 years ago. she spent her life advocating for the betterment of children around the world and his main that has made that a centerpiece of her life. as secretary of state she did a bunch of things to move forward you know, the progressive issues on women, gay rights minorities. i think a record i think her record is second to none, and i think that going forward progressives can be extremely proud to support her, as i am. >> how worried is a clinton camp about the success and excitement around senator sanders? >> look, there will be ups and downs with every presidential campaign. >> this is a pretty big down. >> know, it's not. no it's not. the day-to-day of campaigns a silly. and i know you guys have to publish every ten minutes. you love publishing. and that's great, but nothing's changed. you saw pull out
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this week. hillary is changed. you saw pull out this week. hillary clinton high 70s in the democratic primary nationally read she will be the democratic nominee and when the white house quakes sen. senator sanders call why is he scratch in its? why is there excitement more than certainly we expected? >> look, he has a great track record. he is a great speaker. i worked in the senate for a long time. i love watching him speak. doesn't mean i will vote for him in the primary. >> and you don't see them as a real threat. >> no. >> about 2016, as you look ahead to the fall of the general election, would you worry about? clicks citizen united has changed politics forever. we have to stop the onslaught of negative ads. citizens united is going to probably allow the republicans to drastically outspent hillary in the election, and that is a real challenge. and i continue to
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want to make sure we focus on swing voters and turning on our base. >> one more thing about the 2016 environment landscape that will make me sound smart. >> technology will continue to change everything unless a majority of young voters now communicate on snapshot more than they do texting or e-mail. that that evolution and how people communicate, how people watch news how people validate their political and consumer decisions is changing by the nanosecond and will be an amazingly different campaign that even 2012. >> what do you think of snapshot? >> i love it. i love it. i use it every day and it's a great deal. a wonderful way for me to cuss a lot and not get in trouble. clicks how do you think it applies to campaigns? >> i think people are trying to figure that out right
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now. i certainly am. i certainly am not going to tell republicans. >> your firm does a lot of work international work for nonprofit work for one of the things you do is helping corporations know how you use data analytics and 2012 for customer outreach. what is the biggest thing that american business can learn from obama 2012? >> you can individually target consumers and a very smart way. one of our clients his legendary pictures. a real leader on taking some of those things in building an ability to roll out movies and an unprecedented way and do much better than hollywood expected is movies to do because they are using data and social media in a way no one else does clicks something else is give advice to nonprofits. >> one of our passions is helping pass a nationwide bill to create a pre-k education. we spent a lot of time working on that. you
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are seeing that campaign run by this amazing hero, one hero, one of the litigants of the supreme court case on gay marriage who is now running a campaign in doing an unbelievable job. >> university of montana grabbed my different person when you're in montana. what are you looking for? >> we will spend the entire month of august fishing. she is a much better fisherman i am. i hope to catch up a little bit, catch a bunch of fish and be in the most wonderful place in the world. >> what you catch there? clicks big trout. >> you know, the big fisherman, catching a little fish right now. now. what is your fish and chip? >> i am not to come to montana. >> especially not the yellowstone river in august. >> no, real fishing to. >> that you don't need tackle. he end being very simple without trying to read the water is the most important thing. the calmest moment is when you watch the water rush upon your fly an know that there is a chart below it. that is the moment of calm.
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>> and where are you going to watch the fireworks? >> wherever my wife tells me. abcaseven. >> a fun answer. one pm today. we. we hope you'll join us on lifestream. political event about the healthcare part of this discussion. the supreme court decision on king versus ball well. political editorial director of events will tell us about that. >> thank you very much. his great conversations. twitter really loves it. >> a great entrepreneur. weldon. >> fantastic. thank you for this great event. we have we have another one coming up today. it will be live streamed. looking at the fallout of the decision. what it means for healthcare policy and the politics of it. the next potential battle around the affordable care act, obama care. and that will be at the museum on the
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eighth floor. doors open at 1245. as a pro healthcare event. #is pro-hc. we look forward to your questions. policy experts questions. policy experts and some of the political thinkers from both the conservative and liberal side of that event. thank you very much. >> thank you. think all of you and lifestream and twitter land twitter land for watching this event. think our political colleagues. thank all of you for coming out. think john and his colleague of bank of america for making these amazing conversations possible. and jim thank you for making us smarter. clicks thank you. >> happy fourth. [applauding] >> defense secretary testing carter and joint chiefs
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chairman gen. martin dempsey will be on capitol hill tomorrow morning to talk about u.s. treasury against isys. they will testify before the senate armed services committee at 9:30 am eastern. this after pres. obama said today that he plans to give more support to the effort but has no immediate plans to send more us troops into iraq. the obama administration is taking steps to better protect the tens of thousands of unaccompanied immigrant children who cross the border each year. year. reportedly hhs is increasing the number of doctors available to treat unaccompanied minors. the senate homeland security committee is holding a hearing on the immigrating children and live coverage here on c-span2 at 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> on the next washington journal, a discussion on the hurdles that are keeping fourth party presidential candidates from running competitive campaigns. our guest, a a visiting fellow at the american enterprise institute. and the changes to overtime pay and asked by the white house last week affecting employees and hiring. elizabeth polito with the national federation of independent businesses and christine allens of the
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national employment law project join us. washington journal live every morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. and you can tell us what you think by phone and on facebook and twitter. >> as the supreme court term drew to a close a couple weeks ago the justices ruled on a number of cases including legalizing same-sex marriage and allowing federal tax subsidies to help poor and middle-class people buy health insurance. up next, we will focus on another case involving how the boundaries of congressional and state legislative districts are drawn. we will take a chance to hear the oral argument and arizona state legislature versus arizona redistricting commission. first, commission. first, a discussion on the impact of the decision. question running as this morning, who is the political house editor for the cookbook or report. here to talk about a supreme court decision that certainly could affect how
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the house is shaped in the coming years. the headline says supreme court upholds the arizona navan and what it means. what did means. what did the supreme court decide? >> the supreme court jurisprudence on redistricting is complicated at the least and contradictory at times. the supreme the supreme court has had a hard time making up its mind. it was pretty clear in the 1960s and baker v car competently all legislative districts have to be drawn with equal populations. ever ever since it has wrestled with questions of what is fair to draw it also has partisan gerrymandering should be allowed undeterred in this case arizona was one of several states across the country to employ redistricting commissions, independent commissions separate from the state legislature charged with drawing congressional and

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