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it's a great example of how you strategically think about your role. i had really pulled off a campaign. it was a great way of reinforcing the strategy. >> i love that you told that story. there is a bookshelf a mile high
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with important figures in washington. i had never read and antic don't like that in any book. honestly, because a lot of their frustration is don't say too much. i am really struck by that that you are willing to go back to it did that feel risky to you? >> it did. i had a colleague try to talk me out of it. claire, really you shouldn't go there. you shouldn't tell people about that. >> they flagged several things. >> yes they flagged several pages of things in the book. but that wasn't really what this was about. this wasn't about writing me up
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and making me look like i'm a wonderful politician and going to save america. it was painful. it was hard to talk about my first marriage and the failure of that marriage and dealing with all of that in this book and discuss my mother and the amazing role modeling of me. i don't think you do yourself any favors by trying to dress up politicians. we all have major problems in our life. i think more people saw us as nonconventional bowl and knowledgeable and we all wanted to communicate together.
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>> my mouth gets me in trouble all the time. >> i will talk about one example and that was an excerpt from your book and that was one of our most read articles. it peeled back the curtain on your high profile senate race and it was known to a certain extent that you have become involved in airing advertisements to get the nominee that you did get. that part was known that you had been advertising but never told the story so telus about that now and your decision to join that political race.
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>> i've always been more comfortable with strategic decisions that are high risk. through the years they've been in the situation where they had to take a big risk, there is a reluctant seed to go there with women sometimes. i don't want to rock the boat or take that risk. this was a situation where millions of dollars were being spent at that time. beating me up, driving my negatives up, they were all in with millions and millions of dollars being spent. i saw three candidates that had basically the same position but one of them had a record in saying things that were very extreme. i knew he didn't have a filter because he came from a very deep religious deal of government. i knew he would monitor those or filter those out or be careful about the way he talked about them so we decided in the summer of the primary season that it would be great if we could send a signal to republican voters how truly
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conservative he was. so we called and spent money on a pole to figure out what republicans like about akins. i did a poll and it was very aboveboard and open and this is claire miscast goal and i support this message. we listed the things they liked about him. we were sitting sending a signal that todd was their guy but at the same time we were also communicating to in independent voters in missouri that if he got the voter boat that this is someone who is different in terms of his view of the world. it helped us with independent voters in terms of todd akin and it helped him in the primary. it worked. he went from watching him climb
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in the polls after we ran the pole and then he asked seated her our expectations of what he would say. >> exactly and then his comment was right after that primary. >> go back to that. the primary campaign campaign was closing in and it was very tight. there was an an extraordinary moment where your campaign directly got involved with the campaign. you personally as well as others connected with supporters to get a message through to akin about a key advertisement that he was running. >> i'm not sure the message ever got to akin himself. >> what we saw was that my company is very popular in missouri. anybody who is looking carefully at what's going on in missouri knew that my company was really popular. give us a camera, we're talking about things we're talking about in our ad, faith and ad, faith and
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family and very conservative values. we knew that mike huckabee is good with television. it was a powerful ad they took that ad down and put up another ad about faith and family in the flames of freedom. it was flames of freedom and it was weird and it was just our opinion collectively within my campaign that it wasn't. >> that would be a good republican strategy as well. >> if you know the state and you know the voters, we, i reached out but i knew a couple people who risk consultants in his world and said you want to tell him that we don't think that's a very good at. they then called us, someone from their campaign called our campaign and i told the pole that it was fine to talk to him in broad generalities why we thought the huckabee ad was so good and they took our advice. it was general advice given with no polling data exchanged or or anything of that nature. we gave them what we thought and literally within hours, we were
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surprised that they were taking our advice but they did. i've given my advice to hundreds of candidates in my career. this is the first time that i had a future opponent take my advice, but they did. >> it is really a remarkable story. i find it striking that not only decided to tell that in your book, but this is the kind of thing we all know when we all assume occurs all the time in american politics, but the transparency around it, the the willingness to talk about it publicly, i think that is usually left to hollywood versions and house of cards and that sort of thing. >> right. i think transparency is good always. i probably felt a little defensive that i wanted everybody to know that there is nothing we had done that wasn't aboveboard. it wasn't done through third-party committees, it wasn't done through operatives. it was our campaign. our campaign. i think it is a great example of
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being strategic and i thought it would be great for women to see a woman's campaign engaging in that. a lot of that kind of stuff goes on, not always aboveboard in men's campaign so i thought it was important to show and teach, as colbert would say a little strategy. >> exactly. right there is the word calculating which is the negative word of strategic and is applied often to women in public life or in big roles in executive jobs for example. i was struck by the fact that your book has a quote from cheryl samberg on the cover whose book lean in, generated so much conversation about the question of how women can get ahead. there was a huge sort of backlash in some circles around her statements that women basically should be willing to
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embrace and plan their careers and not be so zeroed in on thinking of their childhood and being mothers not that that is a career killer for women but to think much more straightforward and away. >> there was controversy around it but she and i agreed completely and this book also because i so tell so many stories about my children and my family, i want young women to see that you don't have to do it all perfectly. you can definitely do it all and you can prioritize your family in a way that is healthy and everybody is happy without sacrificing a hard edge, maybe, it might be termed a hard edge by some toward your career advancement. this notion that you have a good job and don't rock the boat and don't ask for
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more money because they're giving you a little extra time off and that's more valuable to you than a little more money, ask for both. ask for a a little more time off and a little more money. i agree with cheryl samberg in that. >> i'm struck by that as far as you are that that is value advice, don't be afraid to sort of take your career in your own hands, on the other hand when you look at how few women have reached the upper level of whether it's american politics, american media, where 5% of women are at top leaders, including powell sticks are incredibly low. these are women who have leaned in so to your account it is the 1% or's is not
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in the count of leaning in, but what i've been struck by and written a little bit about myself is this question of that still doesn't actually explain why we have so few women in leadership positions in the senate because there is a broader category and class of those who have leaned in than those who have made it into these jobs. that's where this extraordinary level of personal scrutiny clearly plays some role. it was eleanor roosevelt all the way back in the 1930s who who said, to be a woman in public life you need to have the skin of a rhinoceros. my guess is that probably still resonates for you all those years later. >> absolutely. my haters have a particularly tough edge not too long ago one of my rude responses was you
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have a face like a diaper and things about my weight and really tough stuff. i had parents that told me you can't get anything done without making people mad. this disease to appease that i think we have that women kind of want everybody to be happy, it makes us good elected officials because we want to bring people together and we want people to agree on common ground so i think many women in government will help them be more efficient and that's good but we can't make everybody happy. not everybody's gonna like you. i have a third of my group that just don't like me. that's okay. i'm sad they don't like me but i'm not to let it slow me down
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i'm more focused on what i can get done, being focused, what i can do it get done and i'm so blessed i get a chance to do that. i can't sit around and worry about the fact that people are gonna say horribly mean things about me and frankly that's the main women reason women avoid politics. they're worried about how it's going to affect their families and the horrible things that will be set about their husbands or their kids. that's a real fear, but you have to get over it. frankly in this day and age, a lot of that doesn't work anymore. the negativity just doesn't have the bite it used to have in politics. i believe believe that. i think people are kind of over this dark grainy screen and there has been does a cheating sop. i think they kind of get that this is political. >> on one hand it's over but on another hand the trolls have been empowered like never before. the level and ability to create narratives and to adjudge women
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in ways that it comes out even more loudly, the decibel level in general of politics have gone up so that magnetize magnifies whatever else is out there. >> painful but i don't think so effective. >> i think you're really onto something about this notion about why is it that many women are adverse to entering politics or just in general being. of being being in the public. it's extremely hard to recruit women to write opinion columns for example, because that's where you're putting yourself on the line in a form of writing that's not on a safe subject like work life balance or something. it's, i see something like that all the time as an editor.
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i encourage them to write opinion columns and things like that women understand the penalties are higher. that's where i was struck by what is it in your wiring and your background or your family experience, maybe it's just in your personality that you're not worrying as much about that criticism or you're not internalizing it. >> i do in turn lies it but it motivates me. >> so the whole narrative of success is all about rewriting. >> when i was demoralized as a young person about some of the comments that were written about me, i just decided i'm to show them that i will do well and that i will continue to get raises by my bosses from the voters. i will rise in the system and be effective and make a difference. every time one of them did this
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to me i just worked that much harder. i kept my head down that much more. maybe it's that that i used it as fuel. >> maybe it's just that conversion machine. >> obviously a woman politician like hillary clinton. >> another well known fact about you is your decision to endorse not hillary clinton but barack obama in 2008. you account, you give an account of that in your book and you actually say your daughter was a key catalyst for that. telus that story first. >> this was a hard decision. they were both amazing candidates. it wasn't wasn't like i was choosing between good old boys it was a strong woman and an african-american breeze
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and a leader. we had worked together and he was my friend. i was inclined to support him because i was so inspired by his candidacy but i was i was reluctant and my daughter maddie got in my face. she said you on to look yourself in the mirror. you've said you've made sacrifices in this family when it comes to making a difference. now is an important moment in history. you are not endorsing barack obama because you're worried about your own political skin. she was right. i was worried about the blowback i was going to get and i did get from my women supporters and women who had been good to me and help me and allowed me to succeed in politics. they were in politics. they were going to be bitterly disappointed, and they were. i called the next day after she can fronted me and called the president and said i was indeed
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all in and i worked very hard on his campaign. >> there was real blowback, i don't know that i was specifically addressed at you but madeleine albright said there's nothing worse when women don't support other women in political life. >> did not sting at the time? >> it did. >> what we are fighting for is a level playing field. once we begin to achieve at the same level as men, we can't turn around and do what they did to us. were not going to assume that you're better just because you're a woman. it's not about a preference. that door swings both ways. the quality is a quality. i really did think that while it was a hard decision, i felt great about working on behalf of brock obama and was pleased when he was elected president. now i am working just as hard for hillary clinton.
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if i'm for you, i'm for you. i'm doing everything i can to help her get elected. >> has she won the all important maddie primary #your daughter? >> she has. not all my kids are there yet. >> so they're given a look to bernie sanders. >> while i think they're trying to figure this all out. i tried to tell them not what they think. if i try to do that it has bad consequences. i want them to come to their own conclusions and i'm comfortable that they are smart and independent people and they will all come to the conclusion that hillary clinton is the best candidate per president. i'm not sure they're all there yet but i think they will get there. certainly this time as well there are these persistent questions about her popularity on the left and the surge of
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bernie sanders in the polls and he's not even a democrat that's an interesting phenomenon. do you think it has a discomfort or a desire to have a conversation. >> part of it is the conversation. on one side we have them all aiming at hillary clinton. i'm not seeing any of them spend a lot of time criticizing bernie sanders. then within our party, bernie is speaking to folks who lead very much the status quo is a problem. were speaking to issues we care about in our party and he does it with a great deal of passion and he's always been somebody who walked a different path so i think he seems more like an outsider to many in my party. i do understand why he is getting the attention he's getting. in the long run, if you get
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outside of my party and get to the very independent voters in this country that decide presidential elections, i do not think from a practical standpoint they will vote for a man for president who self identifies as a socialist. >> you spent eight years with barack obama being criticized of being that when he's not. >> exactly. >> when you realize the kind of income she has she is still in a strong position. i think think the more she keeps her head down and earns this, she will be fine. she needs to earn this nomination and she wants to. she wants to show that she is a fighter.
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in the long run it will strengthen her. >> one thing that is striking that it could cut either way is that she was criticized for not really embracing the historic nature of her candidacy in 2008. she didn't want to seen as a woman candidate until the very end when she dropped out of the race at the very end in 2008 where she gave her famous last words. she had not destroyed it but made many cracks in the glass ceiling. clearly she has come to a different place in embracing gender as an asset in this campaign. when you think about your own experience and talk about being a woman senator as opposed to being a senator, what's your advice, your candid advice to hillary clinton about whether to play that gender card or not? >> we've actually talk about this. in my race for governor, i was so anxious to prove to everyone that i was qualified that i knew every answer to every question.
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this isn't about me being a woman, this is about me being qualified to be the executive. a journalist after the campaign was over said you reminded me of an noxious candidate on jeopardy you knew the answer to every question but we weren't really sure if you were human. then then another person compared me to quell a deville. and i thought oh my gosh. after i lost that race, i was trying to figure out and that's when i realized that they didn't know that my hopes and fears for my kids were the same as bears and i would work my way through school as a waitress and my mom and my dad, i grew up in a house where where he hunted all the time and his family had a feed mill in a very small town. i had not spelled out who i was
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to missouri as a person. i think that is something that hillary clinton should keep in mind. i think she's doing that, i think think the ad with her mother was very effective. i think she needs to show some vulnerability. she's had so any attacks in life that it's easy to get in the bunker. frankly i think some of the mistakes she made around the email came from that place. her wanting to protect some of her personal information. not that she was doing anything terrible or wrong or she wanted to undermine the united states of america. what was her motive that she was on the payroll of china i don't really think she should spend so much time being protective of
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herself. i think she should open herself up. i did that in the senate race and i think they think they got a more full picture of who i was, the good the bad and the ugly. >> i think that think that is an interesting lesson or case study that occurs outside the realm of politics as well. because they attract so much criticism that bunker mentality is probably easy for corporate executive to be in a similar position let's go back to the very interesting and i think unusual role that you've given to navigating family in politics in a way that i certainly never read in any of the male senator memoirs. your daughter maddie was the one who pushed and prodded you and there's this wonderful anecdote
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where your early in your public career and you're asking your son to get ready to come with you to what you called was a party but i'm gathering was certainly not just a party. >> i was going to a political event when they were very young. he was probably seven or six, something like that may be five, in that category. i would say to him kaman were all going to party, let's get into a car. i told him to get ready and then, you know how kids whisper and they don't realize how loud they whisper. i heard him in they whisper. i heard him in the next room saying to his younger sister, listen if she says of the party, ask her if anybody is going to give a speech. if anybody gives a speech it's not a party. so they were on to me at a very young age that i was dressing up our time together when we were working to be something more fun than it actually was for them. >> you were clearly able to establish that there wasn't some barrier between the personal you and the professional-year-old which i guess has enabled you to
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keep integrating your family into your political life. some struggle feeling that there is either family time or professional time and out one comes at the expense of the other. where do you fall down on that? >> when i ran for prosecutor, the first woman to get elected to the da, i didn't put my children in any of my literature. i was worried if people knew i had children they would think was inappropriate for me to take on this law-enforcement type job that had some dangers associated with these young children. then i talk now about how i can't wait to take pictures with my nine grandchildren. it has been a practice for me but where i come down is i want my children to be part of my life. i want to be a part of their life. that means i want them to understand what i'm doing. i want them to be a part of it if they want to be the highlight of
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my life was when my children participated in my campaign and my children actually traveled with me during the summer of 2012 for the campaign. it was wonderful. when they were younger, it was no mom we don't want to do that. i think that's wonderful about politics. you have more flexibility. if you want to take off and go see your son at a talent show in the great show. i never missed my son and a talent show except for when i was when i was in a trial and i had a jury in a box but i would take off and go see my son and i may have to work on saturdays and maybe go give a speech at night but in terms of my schedule, there was more flexibility than when i was in a legislative job. i did try to integrate and pull them into the extent that they wanted to be now they are all highly opinionated adults as a result of it. >> i'm sure they have lots of thoughts on politics.
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you talk to a lot of your female colleagues in the senate as well. there's a great example of kelly iota, a republican a republican from new hampshire with her small child when she was a top law enforcement officer there in new hampshire and something about hillary clinton's campaign office. she was the attorney general and was had her newborn and we can all envision her trying to dress her child and we could all feel like she was addressing what the situation was with the hostage and you heard her say you've gotta get home, i've got to go.
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the thought of where you are directing the highway patrol when you are taking care of your child is one great example in the book of how the integration of your career and motherhood is sometimes funny, interesting and frustrating. frustrating. everybody's had one of those, bombastic moments where they feel something more or less that your mail counterparts haven't. i don't know what happened, i thought i had the sound fixed but you could hear my toddler talking the entire time. i had no idea and i came into the office and my boss waved hello to me and said you were great on the radio but i could hear your child the entire time. nobody else had told me. i felt mortified, actually.
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>> i quit worrying about that. i had dogs in the background of interviews and children crying and yelling at each other. as long as long as they can hear me, i try not to worry about it. >> it certainly humanizes us. i think that's the thing. let's. let's get back to this question about being a minority in the senate. i want to push you a little bit because i feel like sometimes i hear somewhat contradictory things from women who have been in these political positions. on on the one hand there's this rhetoric of empowerment. there is a sisterhood and we have these meetings in dinners, where therefore for each other were more bipartisan group. if you have more women in the senate you often hear were more collaborative and will find a way through these problems. here's patty murray making a deal on a budget where other people failed.
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on the other hand, wait a minute, i'm not going to endorse hillary clinton just because she's a woman. were fighting for a level playing a level playing field not to create a sisterhood or to replicate the failures of the past i mention this not because, we all have simultaneously contradicted things but where do you come down on the basic question of is there something essentially different of having women in politics or is this because of our historical experience. >> i think both can be true. you can make decision based on merit without gender. at the same time you can have a disposition that allows you to
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work on problems without worrying about whether or not you one or whether or not you get the credit. i think really the difference, this isn't complicated i don't think. women who are in the senate we all had to go through a lot of the same things to get there. it's hard. if you get there, we have an immense number of things in common. there's almost like an unspoken language between us that we get each other. even though i have huge disagreements with, say with, say example doug fisher or joni ernst on policy, there is still this bond that has to do with motherhood or getting around some of the obstacles like sexism early in your career. we don't really want to throw each other under the bus. look at the difference between harry and mr. o'connell talk about each other. they are at each other like this all the time it has always been that way between the two leaders but it
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certainly is now that we have two people who don't really like each other very much. it think you can get a lot more done if you like each other, even if you disagree. as long as we keep working at knowing one another a little bit better than we know everybody else because we talk about our kids and our personal life, i think there will not be this idea of winning at somebody else's expense and that's what's really wrong with washington. he didn't want barack obama to win anything because they thought he would win at their f expense and now there is what we need to return a favor and make sure they don't win anything because look what they did to
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us. now we need to do that to them. there's not as much of that among the women and i do think that's the difference. i think if there was more women we would have even more deals. we would have more compromises. i firmly believe that. >> it's really interesting in that context to talk about another incident that has gotten a lot of attention in your career in the senate. that was a time where you. that was a time where you had a very public disagreement with another woman senator around this question of how best to ensure there were more prosecutions for military sexual assaults. you in particular particular objected to what you saw as sort of an instantly sexual narrative and jumped into the proverbial catfight. what did you take away from that question. >> there were two narratives i was objecting to. the first was the most important and that was this is a decision between victims and who did you support, victims or commanders. that was a false narrative. that was not what this was about. it was about what system will protect the victims the best. >> right here's a woman senator and a commander.
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>> that's really the fight i was waging because in my view having studied it very carefully, as somebody who spent more time handing holding the hands of victims, i felt very strongly that what i was advocating for was for victims. the other added peace and this was that you had two democratic women that took different views. that elevated the difference way beyond what it would have been otherwise. and, by the way it massed the fact that her and i together had gotten so much done. we have dozens of reform that we had done together. we just disagreed on one thing. >> right actually you are really partnered with her and many things. >> even after the vote that was close and we came down in the well and kind of hugged each other but senators are very
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competitive as well. obviously you couldn't get into politics if you didn't like to win and weren't driven by succeeding. did your relationship take even a temporary hit by that question mike. >> we were both focused on getting the votes to prevail because we both had an honest policy disagreement. yes. yes, of course we were counting votes and i was worried that she was talking to him and i better talk to him and it was the circling around each other trying to get the votes and making sure people understood our point of view. after was over, i remember him coming up to us and saying i'm not sure two men would've done what you just did. it had been elevated in the press and it was difficult. at that moment part of me didn't want to hug her or shake her hand or reconnect but i knew i needed to and thank goodness she did too. we are fine and now we work very closely together with each other on college campuses. when you look at the senate one of the things you do a great job of in this book is really talking about how institutionalized
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sectionalism or that environmental world in which it's very clear to you in a variety of ways that you are the small nine minority but it persists so much into the now. i think that too many people there is a desire to say that in the past, zero gee, don't we have more women in office than ever before you can't read this book and sit down and talk with someone like you and really say that that's a fact right. i thought it was really striking that you did such a good job. this isn't some crazy world in which this is something that happened to women in the 1980s. it persisted into that and telus a little bit about that. there was an incident with another free mail senator and
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they were talking about where one of her colleagues was commenting on her weight and pinching her behind. sexism isn't dead in the congress is it. >> it isn't. i will say i haven't personally ever felt diminished or minimized by my male colleagues in the senate. i. i don't know if they are afraid of me or i don't know if i'm older and that might have something to do with it but i did have someone tell me i couldn't come into the senate when i first got elected. he thought i didn't have a pass. things like that like that but you're right about this point, there is a tendency in our society that when barack obama was elected president, there has been a great deal of racial unrest.
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the same thing is true with women. we have accomplished a great deal and can pat ourselves on the back that we've made progress, but if we think we are done or this is over, just a week ago to members lost their job because to interns called them out on sexual harassment and they had text messages to prove it. we cannot think on both sexism and racism, we still have work to do. >> there is a great antidote you recall in your book and you really pushed the boundaries. there was a single tiny bathroom and you also found yourself squeezed in it. what was that you tweeted i was in the bathroom and there is this room where there's literally two's dolls and i
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walked in and the stalls were full so i was standing there and then in came elizabeth warren who had just gotten elected. we were all squeezed inches i walked walked out of the bathroom and i tweeted gonna have to get a bigger bathroom. and we did. we enlarge the bathroom and now there's room. we may have to enlarge it again and take some space out of the men's room. we just took took some space out of their but we all know in washington office space represents power.
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>> she wanted to go swimming in the members only and found out no, you can't do that and really pressed to find out the reason why and it was because the men were swimming naked. >> not all of them. i will never forgive kay because she told me who it was among the men that wanted to swim naked and now i can't get it out of my hard drive. i will not make your viewers have to think about this person swimming naked. >> and that's a friend of yours. >> right. that was just a few years ago that we had to finally make -- >> that is what i was blown away by. this wasn't 1965, that was in the 2000. >> right. k took care of it and the sign changed from men only to members only.
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i don't want people to think it's a huge great jim, it's adequate and modest but now women and on weekends they can bring their kids in there if they want to swim in the wintertime. >> amazing. you obviously came into this with a set of expectations and a point of view about what you would encounter having been in politics in missouri. what is a big difference between politics and your home state and politics here in washington? i think think some of that does come out in the book. >> there are some things that are the same. the things that are different as it feels more like drinking out of a firehose here if you're doing the job correctly. if you just kind of walk through your schedule and meet people and your staff tells you how to vote and you follow the
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recommendations, but if you engage and you are really intellectually curious, it is an enormous amount of material to consume. that's consume. that's a big difference because i feel constantly am i adequately informed and adequately informed. i don't think i've ever felt that in any of the jobs that i had in missouri. that is different. dysfunction is different. i had never never served in a legislative body that was this dysfunctional you couldn't even get mitch mcconnell and john weiner to agree on how to fund our highways, much less the republicans and democrats pain or was pushing a three month extension and they were saying no we have to have a multiyear extension and all of us were going wait a minute you're in charge and you can't even decide. that's how bad bad it's gotten. they are not even talking to each other so that's much more frustrating because it seems to me we are treading water and
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doing that way more and congress then we should be doing. i think that's why so many voters are attracted to a donald trump who is all about i can be different and that's obvious that he's different, i would say odd and then of course in a different way because of bernie's philosophy, not because he's odd but because he's really committed to certain philosophy and feels like he's going to shake things up and that's why you see the voters attracted to those two candidates. they they want somebody to grab the status quo by its lapel and shake it. i get that. it's very frustrating. although interestingly enough, that's not what you're describing. in in part that is also what is fueling these outside candidacy in there begging for leadership both internally and that organization
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and that's a little bit of what voters are looking for two. there begging begging for leadership but part of the problem is the leader's ability ability to lead has been eroded. >> that's exactly right. they have made it harder and harder on both ends to embrace compromise as part of their job. mitch mcconnell has to deal with them every day, the rand paul and ted cruz and mike lees. it's really hard for weiner. even worse because the tea party is so entrenched in the house caucus even more so than in the senate. that's a problem. our policies, our media you can now go to certain sites for affirmation not information in both sides are doing that. nobody calls my phone and asked me to compromise. the people who are the loudest
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and the people who are most adverse to compromise. i'm a good joke that about 35% watch fox news and they think i'm satan on a horse and the rest of them are watching cnn and think i can do no wrong. the rest of them watch dancing on the dancing with the stars and their think we all just crazy. the rest of them are watching c-span and their informants. there's just not enough of them. >> do you see that as being a reversible trend? if the parties are going away are we living in a referendum donald trump democracy question marks. >> i think time will tell. if someone like donald trump would get elected i think you would see a backlash and there will be a lot of changes. i don't think he will be elected, but the money part of it is a big thing. getting people united has to be
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a big thing in this country. >> i know where most out of time in this conversation so i'm glad you brought that up. the nature of campaigning is very much linked to the experience you've had of trying to govern or legislate. you wrote in your book you needed to raise $40,000 a day. dollars a day. that number would be even higher today. how much does money suffuse your experience as a politician? how much has that distorted or perverted what you do as a senator? >> it makes it less enjoyable and makes me less good at our job because i have to spend so much time with it. >> it is a matter of making your case and asking people to contribute. i am i am constantly disappointing some of my donors and supporters because i ignore sometimes what they want me to
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do for what i think is right i certainly disappointed my labor friends when i voted for tpa even though they were big donors of mine. i explained to them that that doesn't mean i vote the way you want me to vote. i think the limits really help. what is really driving, i think a new i think a new kind of politics are all these presidential candidates have spent more time shopping for their billionaires that can fund their campaign. that's brand-new. i think there was a piece not long ago that talked about the super pac money that's been raised so far is almost three times as much then has been raised by the candidates. that money was was dominated by something like 67 individuals. this really has become a certain class of billionaires funding political conversation in this country.
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people have to rise up and say i will not accept that. we can do it in this country but you have to get mad enough about it and you have to realize it's going on. this is this is something i'm going to be working on campaign finance and ethics reform in my campaign and i'm very excited that both bernie and hillary clinton have made this an important part of their campaigns. it's one of the four truths that hillary clinton talks about is cleaning up this image and bernie feels the same way. i hope the people who are mad about this kind of money in politics get active and involved in this campaign. >> senator claire mccaskill the book is called lady plenty ladylike. it's just come out, conveniently timed for the senate recess so you can do a little promoting of it. this is your first book, what did you learn in writing it and maybe what would you do next time and what was your biggest
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take away. it sounded more romantic than what it was. at the beginning of the process i thought it would be fun but in some times i felt it was almost painful. i had to sit down and talk to my children and talk to them about how i talked about their father. it was hard. the little bit. the little bit like childbirth, very painful going through it but i'm proud that i did it and that i was so honest and candid. i don't know if i have another book in me my sister said you can't write another one and i don't know that i'll ever do it again but i'm glad i did it and i feel good about it. most important portly i hope daughters buy this book for their daughter. i want fathers to empower their daughters. mothers too. it's important too. it's important that young women
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feel from their fathers the permission to be ambitious and outspoken. when you you hear from your dad it's okay, especially when you're nine, 10, ten, 11 or 12. my hope is that a lot of fathers buy this for their daughter and they'll understand what ladylike really is. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> that was "after words", book tvs signature program "after words" airs every weekend on book tv at 10:00 p.m. on saturday 12 and nine pm on saturday and 12 am on monday. you can also watch "after words" online. go to book tv.org and click on "after words" on the upper right side of the page.
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