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that is not to say that some presidents since i've written sm some of the most powerful partse of the speech as they have made or pronouncements they have issued. john kennedy, of course, was a very good writer. writetrongest praises, i think, are often when they are speakinw from the heart's and not fromheh someone's script. some presidents have had s wonderful writers for their writpts. ronald reagan had peggy noonan as one of his writers who also wrote for george hw bush when he became president. of course, kennedy's ghost writers and print the roosevelto they were great speeches, words
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are much more important than many people realize. i remember when hillary clinton was running the last time and she accused her competition of using words, using words is a huge part of leadership. the great presidents have allart had that power o of communicatio lincoln, theodore roosevelt, franklin roosevelt, jack kenned words matter. words into her. the follo they carry on into following generations and we so quote them. imagine martin luther king without the power of his words.s that's why it's so important that we all learn to use the english language. when a best arlene marvelous aspect of the wright brothers was the quality of the letters
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they wrote. it wasn't just that they wereth correct grammatically, they were powerful.powerful, they were effective. they were clear. be they could be very funny and touching. they were incapable as thethey w collection of the library ofs congress proves t, they were incapable of writing a shorty we letter or a boring one. or aor if you want to get inside their lives, which is what i wanted te do, that is where it is. what they put down on paper in n the english language.e englh- i would have wanted to haveto h written my book about the wright brothers even if they had not succeeded in their mission to fly.sio so much is there to learn from their attitude towards life andu the value of having purpose in, life, the value of remaining modest.ue modesty is so out of fashion today that it's disheartening particularly among some of thei
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clinical aspirants.you werought you were brought up to be modest. you didn't brag. you didn't act like you werebra. bigger than your boots and you didn't fib, you didn't tell lies. you have good manners. the right brothers who are yes, bicycle mechanics, who never went to college, who never hader any wealth or gentleman. if ever there were gentlemen,me. there were jammin. when they got to europe, and suddenly became famous and they were associating with royalty and some of the wealthiest , they nevertheyrld felt the least inferior because they had been raised to behave t as gentlemen. why should they feel inferior in any way? certainly, they were as well read as anyone in their time,
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wash maybe better. >> host: david mccullough, anytime you are in washington want to come over to book tv and talk to our audience, just come over. >> guest: you want to be careful about saying that. thank you, peter. >> interested in american history? watch american history television on c-span three every weekend, 48 hours of people and events that help document the american story. visit c-span.org/history for more information. >> juliana barbassa, associated press correspondent talks about the cost the city will pay financially and socially to host the 2016 olympics. [applause]. >> thank you very much and i'm very happy to be here and to be able to talk with giuliana about her book, which is really terrific. there are few cities that are able to encapsulate an entire
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country the way that rio de janeiro does for people's impression of brazil. i think there are very few books that capture a city in its entirety as well as this book does. i think what we will do is giuliana will begin by reading an excerpt of this and we will talk among ourselves and then open the discussion up to the audience. without further do i will let her read a chapter from her book. >> thank you all for being here. this is a little section. it started as a persistent tapping like impatient fingers on a tabletop. i was on deadline, hunched over my desk in the back corner of the associated press newsroom. tried to block at the phones. this was october, 2009, president barack obama's plan to reform healthcare was the news of the day, editors in new york
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when it an article i want to meant for immigrants. i had a couple of hours to make some think over here and out of the reports my desk. on my screen, sentences refuse to coalesce into paragraphs and to the office i heard that fate but insisted wrapping. than a click company that pattern, it was a call and response, the bass drums that drive a brazilian beat in the family so out of place in the air-conditioned newsroom that my eyes look to the tv at the ceilings. i walked over. one of the tech writers was already there craning his neck to watch, curious about the commotion. there was the cabana beach, the white sand was thick with people, tens of thousands, skin glistening as men stripped off their shirts on the warm spring day and women danced, arms widespread with the crowd.
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this was the day, brazil, rio de janeiro was in the running to her as the 2016 olympics. up against tokyo, madrid and chicago. the announcement would be broadcast live on screens on the beach. this was not the country's first try. it had bid to dance for and failed. this run was different. brazil was different. a copy of the economist sat on my desk under the health care reports bolded back to an arcle just off rios sure. there had been others making headlines recently. brazil was lending money to the international monetary fund after years of failing to pay its debt to its middle class had grown by a population by the size of california. that something remarkable is happening to the southern giant. papers had picked up on it even to most foreigners it was to late place of poverty, parties and soccer. the country's recent good fortune and its olympic bid made for good copy. as a journalist, i knew that. my interest was not just professional.
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i was born in brazil, although, spent most of my life rambling from country to country, first as a daughter of an oil executive and later as a reporter. over time the routes connecting me to my home country had grown long and thin, but i kept them alive through annual visits and by the collecting news articles such as the ones that litter my desk. recently, i notice it change of articles. what have been occasional pieces mutts with a burst of violence or presidential election came more frequently and in greater depth. the world have begun to pay more attention to brazil. the olympic boat we pushed into the spotlight. >> so, juliana, one thing i thought was interesting was rio, it's upsetting a lot of times with this very carefree id of the beach, but your book deals frankly with the problems, the violence, the environmental degradation, poverty and i was wondering, how has the city for
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so many been able to maintain this image for the rest of the world to people abroad especially? and why does it remain this very iconic image? >> well, part of the reason and why rio has this janus like nature is as you said, it is all of those things at once. if you live there, if you spend time there you know it is one of the most beautiful places i have ever been to and it's a place where the physical environment imposes itself on your everyday life. he can't step out of your building without going omak, my gosh. it's a standing there you see at the same time, all of these other things that you live and you suffer if your base of their are very much true. one thing does not in the way of
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the other. the water as they are. the bay is gorgeous and the setting sun and it's also heavily polluted. you can go for a run where i lived and it's beautiful and their flocks of parrots and it's a picture postcard, but it's also true that if you're there after dark you are likely to be mugged. those things coexist side-by-side and they know that and have known them for a long time, but for some reason outside of brazil, there is this sort of travel agency poster image of rio and of brazil as if it were a flat place, as if it were a single dimension. sometimes, it would surprise people to mention some of these complexities. >> host: i mean, i was recently i mean talking about some of those other aspects of it.
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i was reading recently there was an amnesty international report that said police in rio had killed 1500 people in the last five years and obviously that's a war that goes backwards and forwards between the kind of bandits as so described and the security forces. why do you think rio is this place and you think it's representative as brazil as a whole are particularly concentrated their? >> guest: i think unfortunately it is representative as brazil as a whole. rio has particular elements that make it violence a particularly real base violence, including the fact that since the early '80s drug dealing gangs have come to dominate great swaths of the landscape, that were virtually abandoned by the state to read police could not go in and of these gangs controlled those spaces. but, part of rio specific random
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violence and something that they have in common with other cities in brazil as well is that the police is often just another faction. each talk about the gangs, but there is also the militias and then there is the police itself, like you said in the last five years, 1500 people killed p read this is according to the police's own estimate, not some ngo wanted to call attention to every case. this is what the police itself reports. but, at the same time it's crazy to imagine this is an improvement. in 2007, there were a thousand 300 killed by police in rio de janeiro state. justin 2007. so, gives you-- >> host: i was that one of the most illustrated things that the symbol of the police's attitude towards the population is the special forces of the police. there official symbol is as
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groll with a knife through into machine guns and that's what they were on the patches of their uniform. so, i think that tells you a lot. i was wondering, i mean going out of that obviously these police exist the way they do because there is some kind of understanding between the middle-class and upper-class in brazil that that is how they went to be policed, so i was wondering if you could attack a bit about the class structure in rio and what role that plays in the way people experience daily life? >> guest: well, that structure in rio and brazil in general and this will be familiar to any of the brazilians out there is unlike the us where there is this great sense of your all kind of middle class, the middle-class is broad and not specifically defined. brazil has a very strong social hierarchy that is not only felt, but also it's part of the way
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the government looks at society. there is class a, b, c and d and when people talk about the middle-class having grown, they are talking about a specific segment of the population that are between x and i and is measured and talked about that way. i'm sorry, you asked about the cost structure? >> host: i was just saying obviously the way the security forces deal with the poor because that is what the powerful society has kind of excepted i guess and i was wondering what is the difference between if you are born into a family in different areas? >> guest: it's all the difference in the world. for example, when people ask me if rio is dangerous my answer is always it's defense. it's more dangerous than coral gables, but it's also very very dependent on whether you are born in a certain area.
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some areas have a history and is tied to violence and it's in a violent city. someone like me, i may be pickpocketed and that's the kind of violence i might be subjected to. if i were a young black man born leaving home to buy bread it might mean a run-in with police and they might misinterpret something i do and i could end up dead. ..
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