tv Key Capitol Hill Hearings CSPAN October 7, 2015 6:00am-8:01am EDT
fire. we have to wait for a lightning strike to calm and let it burn because that would be healthy for the forest. we are in charge and we ought to allow modifications so we can in fact tend to the forest and the public lands in a more rational way. one last example again we have the clean air act. it was passed 1990. we have unique problem now trying to clean up our air and ozone and other issues in many parts of our country but for example in utah are industry people are not giving credit when they pay for the best available technology. we are going to process natural resource extraction or natural development. they will spend hundreds of millions of dollars for technology to have a cleaner process but get no credit for it. the only credit the regis
nonattainment so the first incentive is to have dirty air before we can get clean air. there's something wrong with the rules and regulations. we need to build common sense in this relationship and it really benefits the public if they can do that. >> marriage has been a contentious issue and we recently saw the county clerk spent time in jail after she refused to issue a license to a couple and you say in utah you were able to bring religious groups in common ring groups in, reach some kind of accommodation understanding. tell us about what happened in utah and exactly how that's working there. >> as everybody knows, it gets an emotional issue on all sides. it's probably not just both sides. there are different variations of both sides out there so how
do you bring people together better in some ways diametrically opposing each other because of religious belief? most people believe in equal opportunity and nondiscrimination but they want to be able to worship or express their religious beliefs they want to without fear of someone calling them a bigot or some other kind of bad name. so in coming together at least would have been in utah was we had all the parties that came to the table. there has to be a willingness to say what is the compromise? if you can get people to come to the table that's the first step that has to happen to say let's discuss things in an honest and frank way. we were able to have the leadership, and we have the leadership in the different religious persuasions in utah they came to the table and sat down and said we can do better than what we currently have in the marketplace. i ended up saying to both sides
don't bring me one bill that protects religious discrimination and one bill that protects it ends discrimination because then we will have competing bills. i said if you bring one bill i will veto it but if you combine them into one bill sold those sites are being addressed i know what you'll bring to me and pass in the legislature something that the compromise that both sides will feel like it's a step toward. that's exactly what happened. the competing interests were combined into one bill and is dressed in a forthright and frank manner and they didn't get everything they wanted but they got most of what they wanted and it's a workable solution for utah where we feel good about where we are at. the clerk issue those who have been tasked to perform marriages that feel like it's against their religious beliefs, they found themselves is a unique
place because some of the elected those positions as clerks. before the law changed and now they have been compelled to do something they didn't sign up for it. we put an exclusion in their for elected officials that are required to perform marriage with it provides is that if they don't want to do if they need to have somebody else in the clerk's office for example who will do it so if you don't want to do it we will let you have a pass at the clerk's office has to provide a substitute of somebody who will be willing to perform the marriage. so far that is working out very well and i think it's a bit good example of how people can come together under very difficult circumstances. >> you have been trying to push the utah legislature into an alternative plan for expanding medicaid and now there's a new proposal that appears to have received a lukewarm reception in the house. do you think you can get enough
support among your fellow party members to pass it? >> we just had the passing of yogi berra one of the great philosophers of all time and i know he said i hate to make predictions particularly about the future. [laughter] so who knows? i don't know what's going to happen but the legislature. i believe there's an effort there an attempt to infect find a compromise. i provided to our state my proposal which was held in utah designed to in fact have access to those most vulnerable in our society up to 138% of poverty and jot down money that we have sent to washington. in the state of utah we sent $800,000 a year under the affordable care act. they don't come back to utah unless we activate that.
healthy utah was designed to bring us back in to put the money into private insurance to address those issues in a unique way with opportunities to give them works of the people are getting a better job with education and skills. also increased the co-pay which hasn't been increased for many years. also to help redirect from the emergency room to see a doctor. it's a sound concept. it's a commonsense concept. it's created because of some of the flaws in what i would consider flaws in the affordable care act coupled with the supreme court decision which puts the states in somewhat of a unique situation and if the taxes are mandatory the expansion is voluntary. and reconcile that and get the
best bang for the buck. some of the legitimate concerns that the legislature has raised in being discussed around the country in all the states is will the money be there as promised by the federal government? there is some apprehension and angst is the affordable care act going to stay? is going to be repealed? a lot of those things are being discussed. we have benefits that come back to providers and another legislature is trying to find a way for them to participate to help take care of the match requirements in utah and other states in 2020 and 2021. based on fairness and proportionality, it will be up to the legislature to see if they can take the compromise we are trying to make for my proposal that they can get it passed.
and i'm optimistic to hope to call a special session to have it passed by the latter part of october and i think the leadership of the house and senate will find some way to get through and at least that's my hope. >> what would you say to governors and other states who have yet to expand medicaid? are they missing an opportunity or does that fit into what you were saying earlier each state should make up their own mind that they can have a particularly good reason for not doing it? >> we talk a little bit about the founding fathers and one of the founding fathers was benjamin franklin. he said an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. i take that to mean if we would do a write in first place we would not have the problem of having to fix the problem again. unfortunately i think the affordable care act republicans and democrats alike are
disappointed that it has become such a partisan issue. it would have been nice if the congress and in the efforts to put forthwith good intentions the affordable care act and had more republican participation. my disappointment as a newly-elected governor was coming to the table and asking the question when are we going to be invited the states to weigh in on this affordable care act? we will be on the front lines of this and i was told we have not been invited. that was a disappointment to me. i said just while we should have invited our selves i came on the scene a little bit late but again i think we would have had a better affordable care act if we have governors participate and let me tell you what's going to happen in my state who might well be a challenge in here are suggestions to make it better. i think we would have a better
bipartisan effort if we would have think it's the states and the governors. that being said we have on the republican side of the legislature raid a desire to repeal and replace, repeal and replace it with something else. on the other side on a number of occasions we know the affordable care act can be modified and improved. modify and improve if you work on it can come close together. there ought to be the ability for us to sit down in a more bipartisan way and say how can we in fact improve but we have? we have to repeal and replace or can we modify and improve? again i think it needs leadership and leadership in the congress as well as the white house to find a resolution.
otherwise this is going to continue to fester and provide the country. that is what you see taking place. we have stayed to say i don't want to engage because i don't trust what's going to happen. there's uncertainty. the debt, will i get the money and some say it don't support the affordable care act template and it becomes difficult because people accuse me of supporting obamacare when in fact i oppose it. i'm saying we have to deal with the cards we have been dealt. it's the law of the land and if we can rip you and replace, find, replace. if we can modify and improve that certainly workable but until it happens our taxpayers are spending a lot of money. they get no benefit and i will start where i began. the requirement to pay the taxes, the new taxes under the affordable care act are mandatory. expansion is voluntary and
that's the conundrum we find ourselves than in the states. >> the federal gasoline tax hasn't been increased since the lenten administration. how do you get -- how did you get a gasoline tax increase to republican legislature in a republican state and how did you also get the legislature to agree to a bond issue to fund the eye 15 rebuild? aren't republicans supposed to be the party of no taxes and no borrowing? >> well know. we are speaking as a partisan responsible for spending taxpayers dollars. if we had no taxes there would be no way around the government so clearly how we extract money from the population is a key issue. we in utah are trying to find a balance approach.
recall is a three-legged stool of property tax sales tax. every state has a different mechanism depending on what what their strings are and what their weaknesses are and what they're policy and philosophy is so what works in utah may not work in other states and that's something they need to find. we are able to get something done because we have good leadership and it's not just the executive branch. certainly we are a part of that but we have good leadership in the house and the senate. we have good leadership in our private sector. we have great chamber of commerce members who say for us to be successful in business we have to have an infrastructure that works. we heard loud and clear from the business community that we have got to have a transportation system that gets us from point a 2. e with little discomforting congestion so we try to be proactive when it comes to transportation. it's an economic benefit. it's an economic generator and a
facilitator. we found after 18 years of not having any adjustment in the gasoline tax what we have lost to inflation the purchasing power significant. compounding the problem is cars and automobiles and trucks are much more efficient so we have more miles being traveled and less revenue that comes than proportionally because more efficiency in automotive does predict that to make some adjustment just to break even just to keep keep where your ads and that's just to maintain the capacity. we happen to be the third fastest growing state in the nation so it's not just a matter of maintaining. it's also a matter of increasing capacity and i believe in the people. i believe the people understand the facts and all the details regarding why you need to have an increase in the gasoline tax for transportation purposes and economic development.
that's part of leadership. you have to explain the details and let the public understand why this is important to let them weigh in on it. we have a private sector win strongly and effectively needed to need to make an adjustment on transportation and did so. made it easier for the legislature to do it with the support of the business community, chambers of commerce education and others to make a commonsense adjustment in our taxation for transportation. frankly it has worked and other than a few extreme voices out there we have not had really much discussion. it's not something we have sprung on the public and we were able to in fact get the public to weigh in and they wade in and we did it. >> i received a couple of questions about the mass shooting in oregon yesterday.
president barack obama yesterday responded to the shooting by calling for reasonable gun control. he said quote, i've got to have a congress and i've got to have state legislatures and governors who are willing to work with me on this end quote. what can the governors do to help stem the recurring problem of mass gun violence? ..
background checks to make sure that they are able to handle a gun. we think there opportunities for awareness and education, not that it is mandatory, an opportunity for people to know how to handle weapons. we think there needs to be better education in our schools, big effort we have in our education system is to make sure we don't have bullying that goes on. violence starts at a younger age when we see bullying that is uncontained. teaching goodteaching good values and good principles is a very significant part of the issue. it is not necessary, just new rules and regulations.
my wife, the 1st lady, as a conference every year called up the families. families of all kinds can come in and be taught parenting skills.skills. if we teach our children is good values and good principles to reduce crime late and violence. that's where i would start. the short-term and long-term. creating some some kind of a law prohibiting the procuring weapons. you were in the news recently when a federal judge issued an injunction issued an order to hold funds for planned parenthood of utah. you have vowed to fight that really is a presumptuous to
call before planned parenthood? i don't think it's presumptuous because we know the parent organization has caused some controversy. anyone has seen the videos. some kind of assumption that they were colleagues in medicine and science and we didn't know that is why we have a moment of candor. that should cause us all a little bit applause. i do do not discount the fact that planned parenthood does some good things. but that is not to paint over the concerns we have with what we viewed on the videos. that beingvideos. that being said, the more important issue is to make sure we were able to provide for women's healthcare and what ever form of fashion we
think is important in our states. we have 41 different locations41 different locations in the state of utah were women's healthcare issues are being addressed. most all of them provide the word mammograms. i just believei just believe that we have not a lot of money in the state of utah, less than $275,000 toward an $8 million budget that planned parenthood has come and they have already vowed that we will continue business as usual. can make that better. spread and more convenient locations. all those issues that you're talking about, an organization that is performing abortions. it's just a better way to spend the taxpayers dollars
if we are concerned really about with itself. >> you have not said which republican president you would endorse frompresident the tell us what you think of the campaign so far, and is donald trump helping or hurting the gop brand? >> i don't want donald trump's calling the uglier stupid. i will be very kind. i think it is an interesting time and presidential elections. we all say this. the most important election in the history, and maybe every election,election, it becomes the most important election in the history of our country. i think there are great candidates that have a lot of substance and a lot to offer. every candidate has strengths and weaknesses. we will have to let that
filtered through the process and see what the public wants to see in the oval office. i think that some are certainly tying in to the frustration that we have talked about a little bit today of the dysfunctionality in washington. the propensity to kick the can down the road, to not address anything. the joke is that congress is going to do two things, one is nothing, and the 2nd one is overreact. so again, the low esteem that the public holds for what is taking place is indicative of frustration. outside candidates are able to comment say, hey, i'm going to come and clean house, sweep up. that resonates with the public. i like governors, it probably would not surprise anyone. i have a little bit of bias
over those that have significant experience. they run something that really is similar to being a president.a president. the executive branch in their state, know-how the pieces fit together and why it's important to work with your legislature, how to put together education, all those things that sometimes we ask of the president. they already have some internship, some experience, working know-how command i think that is nothing but an asset. ii like the governors that are running. they have the experience necessary. and in many ways nerve can be outsiders with experience. i am not prepared to endorse anybody yet. i know most of the candidates. i like them. they are good friends. i doi do like the idea of a governor being in the white house which by the way
history shows the americans agree with. the last few generations have been the majority governors. >> breaking news according to my colleagues, politico is reporting that congressman jason of utah has just announced a campaign for house speaker, and they wonder if you could react to that news, governor >> welcome i'm glad to hear he was running for house speaker enough for governor. lebanon congressman chases for a long time. have known jason for a long time really is willing to
engage in the discussion and a frank manner. so having him as a speaker of the house would be a blessing for the house. it would be nice for utah but more importantly it's what's good for the country. i had not heard about this. i saw him just the other day and he didn't mention it to me. he said hey, jason. >> well, here on the east coast we are getting pounded by rain. on the west coast there is a serious concern about the ongoing drought. what whatdrought. what do you think about the future of water in the west? >> that really is an advanced question. getting too much water.
conservative we havehaven't make a stretch farther and develop what we need from the future. we created what's called your utah your future and had people weigh in, the largest grassroots efforts, near 60,000 people have weighed in on our surveys. help us with this issue. the growth pressures of utah and when you want to see utah become. the colorado compact which was put together back in 1922 by the intermountain
station, utah happens to be in both basins. if we had to do it over in today it would probably be different than what was done in 1922. california got a certain amount and the rest got the percentage of the flow. your amount of water volume goes down where is the guarantee keeps continuing on. you can see some inherent inequities. our native american and sorrow reservations have access and ownership in the water and yet can't access it. the challenge of how to make that work for everybody is an ongoing challenge. the continues to work well.
that being said, water issues are big thing. an impact not only our ability to grow that are ski industry which is the greatest no one are. addressing them by conservation efforts. before i asked the final question i want to remind our audience of upcoming events. republican presidential candidate and neurosurgeon doctor ben carson will address a luncheon. i would now like to present our speaker with the
honorary national press club mug, and final question, if you spend any time with reality tv or pop-culture, you think utah is all about sister wives and singing book of mormon musical missionaries. what would you like the rest of america to know about your state? >> well, there are the stereotypes are probably every state not just you need to utah. utah is a wonderful state with wonderful people. we speak 130 languages, very cosmopolitan. our, very cosmopolitan. our symphony has been rated as the 7th best in america we venerate the arts. as pioneers came and said this was the right place, the 1st thing they built was not a temple, people did not have houses so they
started building a performing arts center. it's improve people's lives by bringing culture utah is not a wild and woolly west. it is a very cosmopolitan urbanized area. we have 3 million people in utah that are mainly headquartered in about ten regions of the state that are very urbanized. a lot of wide-open spaces, land and natural resources, tourism, travel. it is a beautiful place to come and visit. we have vistas and venues, landscapes that are just stunning and people of visit and say we need to come back. not only do we have great vistas and venues to migrate people that really are friendly and optimistic and wholesome, but all of that
>> but we also know what's right about it. it's the biggest single market in the world. some people say to me, take what we've got, we just put up with it. others say just walk away from the whole thing. i say, no, this is britain, we fix problems. that's how we kept our border-check points when others decided to take those down. it's because we do things our way. we get rebates, we get out, but it's not what we get europe out
of but what we get into. biggest trade deal in our history. who do you think got europe for sanctions on iran and bring to negotiating table, it was us, it was britain, we did. believe me i have no romantic attachment, i'm only interested in two things, britain prosperity and influence. that's why i am going to work hard so that we can get a better deal and best of both worlds. when we joined the european union, we were told things about going into a common market rather goals than some had of an everclosing union. i will put that right.
[applause] >> today it's uncertain world. we had foreign investment into our country than anywhere in europe, apart from america and china, but if anyone thinks that backing on the economy is one, they need to think again, the battle has only just begin. we still need to find savings and produce more, we still need to become competitive, we still need to make the most of our whole country and build that northern power house. we need to do all of these things at a time when our opponents have given up any sense of all what reasonable rational arguments on the economy. we live in a country where the main opposition party, let's not
forget it, alternative government believes in nationalizing and jacking up prices of 60%'s of people income. richard murphy, new economist guru. he's the man behind the plan to print more money. it was a very frank interview and he admitted the labor plan would cause and i quote, a stirling crisis. i want to be fair to him, it will pass very quickly. well, that's all right, then. [laughter] >> he's written a book it's called the attacks. [laughter] >> i took it home to show sa --
samantha. it has 64 positions and none of them worked. [applause] >> this is actually very serious and i tell you, our party's success, this has never been more vital, nothing less than the security of every single family in our family -- country depends on it. not just british business, but we will have george osbourne. [applause] >> you know what makes me most angry is that not the argument
is to wrong, it's the righteous way they make them. hang on a second, who gets home when government lose control of spending? who gets hurt when you waste money on debt interest and you have to cut nhs? who gets hurt when people start firing people instead of hiring? it's not the rich, it's poor people. let's just remember, labor ideas don't help the poor, they hurt the poor. that's right, labor, you're not for working people but hurting people. if you want to lecture that publicly, ask labor. if you want something done, come to us the conservatives. [applause]
>> thank you. but there's another argument we also need to win. there are some people who understand the deficit needs to come down but they don't get why we need a surplus, i'll tell you why we do. i will stand here and say i abolished -- remember him? we can't just be thinking about today. we need to think about the rainy days that could come just like a family does. they put something aside, they take our insurance plan, pay off some of the mortgage when they have something spare and that's what we should do as a country, making sure we are ready to deal with the future crises. there's actually a word for those people that say, live for
the day and forget about tomorrow. that's selfish. i'm not here to mortgage our children's future, i'm here to ensure our children's future. [applause] >> to me there's one big piece of unfinished business in our economy and that is housing. a greater britain must mean more families owning a home of their own. it goes back to conservative believeses. reward and hard work, i want you to have a head of your own. 600,000 new homes have been built, 150 people a day and moving in and in our manifesto we announced a breakthrough
policy. now some people say this would be impossible, housing associations will never stand for it, the legislation will never pass, well, let me tell you something, brilliant community has secured a deal with housing association to give their tenants right to buy home. that will be the first tenants can start to buy homes for next year, as we said in manifesto, 1.3 million more people given the chance to become homeowners, a promise made, a promise kept by this government. [applause] >> but the challenge is far, far gun. when you have men and women in 20's and 30's in childhood bedrooms, that should be a
wake-up call for us. we need to get homes built, banks lending and government releasing land and planning being reformed. in all of these things i am going to be working with a london, hope son to be our mayor zach holtsman. today i want to single someone out, he served this country, he served this party and there's a huge amount more to come, so let's hear it for the man who for two terms has been mayor of the greatest city of our own, johnson. [applause]
>> that was a great speech, fabulous speech. [laughter] >> i was -- i was a hooker. [laughter] >> by the way, that is a factual statement. [laughter] >> increasing home ownership means something else. for years politicians have been talking about building what they call affordable homes, but in many cases the phrase was deceptive. it basically meant homes available to rent, what people want are homes they can actually own. think about it.
after all, the officials who prepared the plans for the home t -- the developers who build them, most of the politicians live the house they live in. other people want what they want [applause] >> so today i can announce a dramatic shift in housing policy in our country. those old rules that said to developers, you can build on the site but only affordable homes for rent, are replacing with new rules. you can build here and affordable homes available to buy generation to generation can buy, our party, conservative party, the party of home ownership in britain today. [applause]
>> a more prosperous britain but we must not stop there as we build a greater britain. we are not a one-trick party. for us economic success, that's not the finished article, it's the foundation on which we can build a better society. our patriotism has never been a grand notion of riding high in the money markets, but a deep con pulings that says, you make a country greater by making life better for its people and today that means entering those no-go zones where politicians often don't dare to venture. it means taking on a big social problem, the blocked opportunity, extremism. why? so when a new mom looks at a new baby t most precious thing she
has ever seen, she actually know she can when a schoolgirl sitz in the classroom doing her studies, i want her to know that could take her to the very top, when the child of immigrants sees our flag i want him to feel so loyal in his country that wants to put on a uniform to defend it. that's what's fire me up, but people. to those who say and will say it our social problems are too big and no way you can sort them out, i say, you say our party wouldn't change and we did. you said our economic plan wouldn't work when it is. you said we wouldn't win that election and we did. we are going to take on the big social problems and just you watch us. [applause]
>> now essential to that is policy. conservatives understand that we are serious about solving the problem. we need to tackle the root causes of policy. children growing up in chaos, addiction, mental health problems, abuse, family breakdown. today a teenager sitting there is more likely to own a small son than to have father living with him. think of your own child, think of the day they were born, think out fragile they were and don't think that every day three babies are born in britain addicted to heroin. we will never deal with policy unless we get to grips with these issues. we made a staff with our troubled families program, it's turned lives of over families,
we know in this party that the best ruth out of poverty is work. so that's why we reform welfare, introduce the cap, help create two and a half million jobs, but it's not enough simply to have a job where it's got to paid. two-thirds of children in poverty have parents who are in jobs for them work hasn't worked. now that's why we cut taxes for the lowest paid and we will keep doing that. and for next year, we will take a giant leap forward. yes, the new national living wage. over 9 pounds an hour and 80-powbd a week pay rise for the lowest paid in our country. we are paying for millions of people in our country. if you work hard and you want to get on, the party for you is the party right here in this hall.
[applause] >> being as it were is only one of the causes we must tackle. children in care today are almost guarantied to live in poverty. 84%. eight out of ten leave school without five good gcse's. 70% of prostitutes were ones in care. these children -- these children are in our care. we, the state, we are their parents. what are we setting them up for, the streets, early grave.
it's ashame to our country and we will put it right. just as we said to failing schools, do a better job with our children or we will send leaders in so reporting socials service improve or will be taken over. just as we said. [applause] just as we got the best graduates into teaching, and teaching in the most difficult schools. let's get our best and brightest in the front line of social work. frankly we must also stop children needing to be care at all, when we came to office the adoption rate in our country was a scandal, now ks it's gone up and our adoption bill will help it increase further. there's so much more to do. let us today say to all those children desperate for children
and all those families your yearninger -- yearning for families, we the conservative will bring us together. [applause] now, i believe if you committed a crime, punishment must follow. when serious enough, that punishment must mean prison. let's not forget since we came to office crime is down by a quarter. the system is still not working. criminal offend within a year of being released. many go into prison with no qualifications and many come with none either. all those problems that may have lead them to that life, drug addiction, mental health problems, childhood abuse, they
remain unchanged. we have got to get away from the sterile lock them up or let them out debate. we have to get smart about this. when prisoners are in jail, we have their full attention. for heaven sake let's educate them and put them to work. we can make sure they are working and paying taxes rather than paying 30 pounds a year keeping them in a cell. where it makes sense, let's use electronic tags to keep us safe and help people go clean. when our prisons -- when our prisons are relike-- time to sel and get ones that actually work. [applause] >> this is going to be a big area of social reform and i have just the man for the job, the man that takes on every vested
interest and gives everyone a chance, the man who is now going to do the same for prison, conservative reformer michael gore. [applause] >> now, we tackle the forces of policy, we can make greater. in politician speak, a lack of social mobility. in normal language people unable to rise from the bottom to the top or even from the middle to the top because of their background -- listen to this, britain has the lowest socialability in the world.
i'm sorry for us the conservatives, party of aspiration, we cannot accept that. now, we know that education is for opportunity and reforms are working, more students studying in math and science, we are doing the extra curricular activities. last year 23 went to university. that's why i'm so passionate about academies and free schools. teachers are growing in confidence. they are raising the aspirations, not just of children but parents and whole communities. this movement is sweeping across our country. so my next ambition is this, 500 new free schools, every school an academy and, yes, local
authorities running schools a thing of the past. [applause] >> but let's be honest, for too many people even a good education, that's not enough. there are other barriers that stand in their way. picture this, you've graduated with a good degree. you get rejection after rejection. what's wrong? it's not the qualifications, it's not the previous experience, it's just two words at the top, first name, sir name. do you know that in our country today even if you have exactly the same qualifications people with white-sounding names are nearly twice as likely to get
callbacks from jobs than people with ethic sounding names. this is a true story. one black girl had to change number to elizabeth before she got interviews at all. this in 21st century britain is disgraceable. [applause] >> we can talk all we like about opportunity but it is meaningless unless people are being judged equally. think about it like this. opportunity doesn't mean much to a british muslim if he walks down the street and abused of his faith. opportunity doesn't mean much to a black person constantly stopped and searched by the police because of the color of the skin. opportunity doesn't mean to a gay person rejected for a job because of the person they love. it doesn't mean much for a
disabilityied person if they can get a job. the point is so important. [applause] >> the point is you can't have true opportunity without real equality and i want our party to get this right, yes, us, the party of the fair chance, the party of the equal shot, the party that doesn't care where you come from but only where you're going to. i want to ask conservative to end discrimnalings -- discrimination and end fight for
real inequality today. [applause] >> we are tackling the causes of policy, fighting for real opportunity and there's one more big social reform in our mission to rebuild britain as an even greater country. we need to confront and i mean really confront extremism. when i read what some young people in this country are doing, it makes me sick to my some. girls not much older than my daughter swapping loving homes for life of servitude isil, boy
that is can do anything they want to in britain, benefited for what this country stands for, instead ending up in the desert with a knife. this ideology, this disease view of the world has become an epidemic infecting minds from -- from the bedrooms of birmingham. never mind that it's britain and america behind the effort to help virgin islandses of syria. no one should get away with politics of grievance anymore. [applause] >> two, two, take off extremism
in all its force, violent and nonviolent. people don't become terrorists from expanding start. it begins with a preacher telling them that cristian and muslims, they can't live together, moves people in the community saying security services were responsible for seven, seven. defeat the west, and before you know it, a young british boy barely 17 is strapping bombs to body and blowing himself up in iraq. we have to stop this at the start, stop the seed of hatred in people's mind, yet allowing it to grow. three, we need to tackle segregation. there are parts of britain today where you can get by without ever speaking english or meeting someone from another culture.
zoom right in and you'll see some institutions that actually help incubate these divisions. do you know that in our country there are some children who spend several hours each day -- let me be clear, there's nothing wrong with people learning about their faith whether it's sunday school or a jewish josheba. we have children being taught that they shouldn't mix with people with other religion, being beaten. these children should be having their minds open and horizon broaden, not having their minds filled with poison and hate. [applause] >> so i can announce this today, if an institution is teaching children intensively and
whatever its religion we will like any other school make ill register so it can be inspected. be in no doubt if you are teaching intolerance, we will shut you down. [applause] >> and this goes to a wider truth. for too long we have been so frightened to causing a fence that we haven't looked hard enough as to what is going on in our communities. i'll tell you where it leads. it leads to children going to pakistan in the summer holidays before they even started gcfe's and being forced to mary a man -- marry a man they have never
met and it has turned us into a less integrated country and put our children in danger. it's unforgivable. let me say this right now, no more passive tolerance in britain. [applause] >> we passed the laws and now i want them enforce. people who organization, i want them prosecuted. parents who take their children for fgm, i want them arrested, as we do that, we shouldn't just be saying what's wrong with these practices, we should be saying what's right with britain, freedom, democracy,
equality, many die for them in the trenches ago on the beaches 30 years later, half of the world is crying out for these freedoms. they see what we've achieved with them. freedom of religion, faiths living side by side peacefully. advances in medicine and technology. a free economy. i want my children, all our children to know that part of something big, the multiracial democracy on earth. we are making sure, that's right. [applause] >> that's why we had the british history lessons at school. that's why we started national
citizen service to bring different people together. i want them to grow up proud of our country. less britain bashing and more national pride, our way, the conservative way, and the only way for a greater day today. [applause] >> so, my friends, big battles, big arguments, a greater britain, keeping our heads cyber message for those who voted for us and those who never have, if you believe in strong defense and helping the poorest, desperate people in the world and you understand that none of that is possible without strong economy, if you believe we can become the enterprise capital of the world and beat poverty, if you believe that the fight
against extremism is the fight for existence and you want us to be the generation that ends discrimination, if you want these things, the party you need is the party right here and it's never too late, never too late. he said this, age 82, this is possibly my last election. in my life i foolishly voted labor, how wrong i was. labor is against all inspire. i am 100% for united kingdom, a sound economy, free enterprise of trade in europe and a decent standards of living, only a conservative government would achieve this. well, you found the right party and i want many more to follow in your footsteps. [applause]
>> so i believe that we can make this era, 2010's a defining decade for our country, the turnaround decade, people will look back and say, that's the time when the tide turn, people no longer felt the current going against them, but working with them. we can be that greater braitian -- britain because we know this, nothing is written. the poorest children don't have to get the worst results, they can get the best. so over the next five years, we will show the deep problems in our society. a child within care doesn't have to mean a life of struggle, that a stint in prison doesn't mean you'll go out and do the same thing again, being black, asian or female doesn't mean you'll be treated differently. nothing is written. we need to write millions of
these individual success stories renters become homeowners, employees become employers, a small island becomes a bigger economy and extremism is defeated once and for all. a greater britain no more drag down or held back, no more sunk children, a country raising its sights, people reaching new heights, a great british takeoff, that's our dream to help you realize your dream, greater britain, greater chances, greater security, let's get out there all of us and make it happen. [cheers and applause]
cameron returns, watch live here on c-span2 wednesday morning beginning at 7:00 eastern. other international news. iran supreme leader today banned any further negotiations between iran and the united states. less than three months after the country signed a nuclear deal with the west. negotiations with the united states open gates to economic security influence, even during negotiations they try today harm our national interest when they had a chance. he has not publicly endorsed the deal reach and inside iran are still trying to put brakes on that today, again, reuters top news.
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and fighting terrorism, this hearing is an hour and 15 minutes. >> there you go. you could hear that. so this afternoon we will hear testimony, expert testimony on the topic not taught to be but a reality a great concern and importance, threat of islamic extremism inside russia and what that might mean to the united states and global security. the fight against violent radical islam is one of the major challenges of our time, las emic terrorists have targeted numerous countries for attack including the united states and russia. they have declared war on the modern civilized world. their bar -- barbaric auctions
in syria remind us and they must be stopped and defeated. the future of america, russia, and yes, western civilization depends on that. the lives of millions will be in jeopardy if we don't do what's right today. gich the nature -- given the nature of this fight, it's national interest of growth of extremism in other parts of the world and countries like russia. it is alarming to read reports of muslims leaving in peakingful democratic countries being attracted or being recruited into radical islamic terrorism. this frightening reality is happening in europe and elsewhere. media reports indicate that over 2,000 russian-born fighters may
have traveled to the middle east to join isil. our collective inability to stem this tied is both shocking and unnerving. this afternoon i look forward from hearing from all of the witnesses. i know dr. erin, we are pleased to welcome him back. he has unique interests in regard to extremism into muslim populations inside russia. we don't normally associate this behavior with such russian ethic groups like tartars or others, but we need to know what those details are. we will learn more about this and other things in your testimony and also in the aftermath of the boston bombing in may of 2013, i led a congressional delegation. please join us. i led a congressional delegation
to russia where we met with russian government and intelligence officials and discussed the threat of terrorism and how our governments could potentially cooperate. i've been disappointed that due to people in ukraine more has not been achieved in implementing cooperation in this area. of course, extremist forces continue to plot attacks against both the united states and russia. seems plain to me that if we work together we will be better able to protect our people, stop attacks and kill violent terrorists, something i am personally in favor of as a matter of policy. please let me note our discussion today about russia and the question of fighting possible areas of cooperation in no way downplays or overlooks
the disappointing situation in ukraine. as a result our government has imposed sanctions on russian officials and institutions. even with that mill stone around our necks, our two governments still manage to achieve an admirable level of cooperation in other areas like international space station, for example. perhaps our governments might also make a joint effort to stop the spread of islamic extremism and the terrorism that flows from it. without objection all members will have five legislative days to submit written questions or materials for the record and i will introduce the witnesses after opening statements and our colleagues.
>> for position of russia, subsequent fighting in ukraine. now russia has shifted attention to increase support for the assad regime, increase role -- increase role in the syrian conflict. at the un putin continued broad effort to support assad. that's the only way to fight against the spread of islamic state. russia's plan to come back ises no extremist to support of assad and strengthen contradicts with the u.s. diplomatic goals. to have diplomatic -- to have assad transition out of power.
it's unclear whether putin's motives are self-stem, fighters from the north, who could pose a serious problem for moscow. given the u.s. and russia are a critical in conversations on how to best combat islamic extremist, i look forward to hearing from our panel of witnesses on the possible outcomes and solutions to the current challenges. thank you, mr. chairman. >> do you have a short opening statement? >> welcome, let's do. [laughter] ..
where he covered several major events, including the terrorist attack. next we have dr. mark katz was a professor of government and politics at george mason university your kids authored many books and articles. he is the author of books and articles, for example, leaving without losing, the war on terror after iraq and afghanistan. very fascinating, thank you. he earned his ph.d from the massachusetts institute of technology, so we have a very esteemed group of witnesses today, and we appreciate you being with us. and again if you can summarize in five minutes we will have a good dialogue. dr. aron, you may proceed.
>> mr. chairman, ranking member, members of the committee, on the morning of july 19, 2012, gunshots and car bombs explosion woke up the capital of russia's largest autonomous republic at home of its largest muslim ethnicity, the chargers. [inaudible] -- in charge of education in islamic studies. the bomb went off under the core of the chief. he was badly injured. others were killed. appointed only a year before both men were moderate clerics determined -- as the encroachment of fundamentalism, and to strengthen the traditional moderate which is one of the five major branches sunni islam.
lest anyone miss the terrorist point, cars under the banners of global jihad is raised through downtown shortly after the attack. i think the july 19 attack in retrospect could be viewed as a watershed. two decades after the first chechnya war, the russian jihad may be reaching a tipping point at which the center of gravity of militant islamic fundamentalists is shifting from north caucasus to the more urban in densely populated european-russian heartland, the home of 13 million muslims in russia's second largest muslim group that are very close to tartarus both ethically and geographically. if this trend continues the consequences for the largest muslim country in europe and russia has asked the muslim population of 20 million. could be ominous. let me mention five underlying factors. all of which continue to operate
today as risk factors that increase the likelihood of terrorist attacks in russia and heightened russia's vulnerability to such a tight. number one, russia has not been able to evade the pan-european phenomenon that is the current radical islam of the fraction of seemingly assimilated and integrated european muslim population especially to young people. number two, the exposure after the fall of the something of an estimated tens of thousands of russian muslims in the course of theological studies in the middle east. and a return, some of the newly minted moms have increase the turned away from the traditional moderate, and towards salafis and the hobbies and. according to experts, imams, the chair breach at dozens of over 1000 mosques. number three, russia is the home
to millions of guest workers, muslims of central asia, an estimated 2 million uzbeks, and around a million turkeys. is nested 2.5 million registered migrants from central asian moscow although making the russian capital the largest muslim city in europe. often without work permits, marginalized cultural and ethnic and often subjected to abuse, extortion and not difficulty to racist violence that many of them in understand return to their faith in the face of the grandparents as a means to sustain their dignity. unfortunately, as reported in russian media at least some fall under the influence of radical clerics and more important and recently recruiters from crisis. according to reports on russian media, most if not all places fighters from central asia have been recruited at the construction sites in russia a special moscow including an estimated 400 ethnic uzbeks
fighting with isis in syria, all recruit outside of uzbekistan including their leader. number four, given the permeability of borders, the recruitment and the proselytizing effort has been doubled and tripled isis in central asia, especially uzbekistan, pakistan and tajikistan, given the flow of people such efforts are likely to result in increasing radicalization of the elements of the central asian diaspora in russia. if you add to this fact that with rush on the ground in syria, adding to other risks of putin's decision is also the fact the probability of retaliatory terrorist strikes inside russia are increasing. final point, the secretary of the russian security council
said that the moment russian authorities do not have the means to stem the flow of volunteers to isis. russian foreign ministry estimates there are around 2400 russian speaking russian speakers among the jihad is in syria while the total russian nationals and those from the former soviet union and the ranks of isis could be a sci-fi thousand today, rush is the third most populist isis language after arabic and english. how long will it be before the veteran of isis coming back into russia decided to join our fight for russian caliphate inside russia? mr. chairman, let me conclude on this. like overwhelming majorities of muslims everywhere, most russian muslims and the migrants from central asia practice their religion peacefully, up or violence, and are good citizens pictures of their country.
yet as we've learned only too well in the 14 years since 9/11, the radicalization it even a small minority, not registered by any public opinion polls, can inflict incalculable damage and cost thousands of lives. if the evidence that i outlined today does not amount to significant increase in national and international terrorism, i will be the first to acknowledge and celebrate my air. but having largely missed the rise of chechen terrorism, al-qaeda and isis, we would be far better off wrong than sorry. thank you very much. >> trying to distinguish them to of the committee, thank you for inviting me to participate in one of the is a very important event. i will present my view on prospects for u.s.-russian cooperation in countering
terrorism, and i will start with the observation made by winston churchill who is often called, saying that russia is a riddle wrapped in an industry inside an enigma. few though remember the remainder of that saying which is that perhaps there is a key come at that key is russia's national interest when it comes to discerning russian actions. there is no strategic document that, russian strategic document or statement that would offer up hierarchy of vital national interest but i taken the liberty to distill some of the statements to deal with such hierarchy in a statement that you have, of these interests at least three of seven vital national interest to russia, at least three are affected by the political violence in the middle
east. end of these three interests which prevent insurgencies in russia, in areas -- attack from russia and its allies and prevent proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear weapons to countries, and also nonstate actor to also nonstate actor to at least two of those interests converge with you is vital national interest as formulated by the commission of america's national interest. so, therefore, both countries share an interest in ensuring that dual threat that emanates from the middle east insurgency there is contained. and that comes to countering the rise of isis, continuing to dismantle al-qaeda on the run, as well as denying visa --
weapons of mass discussion, particularly no clue weapons. i should note that even though there are 30,000 reportedly from foreign countries in isil and at least 4500 of them i asked me to come from the west, russia and its allies are more exposed to the threat posed by isis if only because of proximity. and as dr. aron has pointed out there are various estimates. the latest estimate has come from the federal security service, at its 2400 russian nationals and about 3000 national central asian republics also in places. that's a potent force. we should also discount al-qaeda's al-nusra front which has its own unit that consists of north caucasus but also republics of central asia,
and that unit counts about 1500. so imagine what will happen if all these individuals come home, whether because isil prevails or whether because isil is defeated but the individuals are not apprehended or eliminate it. i should note that both organizations, isil and al-qaeda, have maintained ties with insurgents and terrorist networks in the north caucasus. this summer saw isis establish a province in the north caucasus, and the emirate carcasses, the umbrella terrorist organization, operating under a caucasus has had long-standing ties with al-qaeda and its leader has praised the imam as their leader. so no surprise that russian
officials including foreign minister lavrov and secretary of the security council had described isis as the main threats to rush him a threat to global security respectively. on the u.s. side that lets a group of whether isis represents a top threat i think fbi director has been quoted as saying it's a top threat to the u.s. national security. so since neither of the united states nor russia can tolerate the existence of the state in the form of isis in the middle east and both countries need to counter al-qaeda and keep it on the run and reduce its possibilities, i would argue there's definitely ground for potential cooperation. that is impeded by different approaches towards syria, although i believe and russian officials have said officially that russia is o