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of that. >> i think the efforts are complementary but we also worked at the state level it only complements what we a try to do that the state level to provide resources so those efforts is complementary but to talk about that effort i think is complementary. >> but those that come from the state level is an innovation. and to reinvest the dollars
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so whenever the federal structure it cannot be a single solution it does come now in different ways and different things work with different communities where there are different challenges and opportunities >> from the of resource perspective we continue to find those great examples to drive that innovation. >> is an incredible moment of history to have the support of republicans and democrats to have a bill in the house of representatives and in the senate and people to be motivated to work together all both sides to really do something to highlight the fact the current system is broken and
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we can fix it federal league and at the state level so i am very excited about this. >> i work on the senate health committee talking about prevention can you talk more to that? more about what those look like. with those innovations it will take a switch and thinking so it is a change to the system said to have that focused so had we put
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them in today's programs set to talk about children oreo metals or that classification so to give them labels be have to be cautious that information will travel with that person so i think it is the dynamic >> some of the work that then i am making is doing to be supportive of young adults experiencing psychosis that approach is very different with what do want to accomplish it your life and powdery support that as well as treatment and one of the issues can refinance this going forward with private insurance dollars i had the privilege
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to go to one of these programs it is very different resaw ping-pong tables it has a very different feel that they may come out with their data but is an important program to focus on because it would be a great disservice if it was a chronic condition. >> one more question. >> my son died this year age 23 of heart failure after a seven year battle with schizophrenia. i am a director of paris for care in baltimore i get emails every week we cannot get my child care parity is the issue rather than and
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stigma parents mention this to me all the time i would mention it to you john hopkins insurance will not keep my child in the hospital why don't we sue for medical parity? what your thoughts on that? i cannot think of a lawsuit i think the state of california has one just for parity what your thoughts on that? >> i totally agree and the american psychiatric association is involved with the lawsuit in california also is a new york bring lawsuits can be very, very effective. i am sorry to hear about your son and for your loss but that is another good point of medical illness and a psychiatric illness added
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cardiac problems to have a health screening it isn't just the problem of mine but all types of associated issues and to take care the mind and body and of brain. these are so vital they have no idea about the idea you're not able to get physical care. it simply is not on people's radar what you hear so often why didn't the family just get him help? that families have no options every need solutions this is the best way to do that to have these
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discussions. >> eight you so much. they do so much. [applause] >> they give to transeven pharmaceuticals at this time i will invite michelle goodrich to the podium for closing remarks. [applause] >> they express their restate engaged man participation in today a special thanks to all of our speakers for a thoughtful discussion and a special thanks to the audience members who shared courageous stories.
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we are pleased to be a part of this important conversation to help champion better solutions for people with serious mental illness to have an unwavering commitment to deliver innovative medicines in mental-health and spending over 50 years to remain at the forefront to improve care for people with brain disorders to invest in innovative treatments and improve patient outcome at the same time we do recognize our logical treatments is just one element to put people with the severe mental illness on recovery but that legislative solutions that we think are critical to
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ensure individuals are supported to get the best chance they deserve to hold meaningful life. it is important with better health outcomes into a broader society the collaboration is critical to approve lives with the justice system we support legislative efforts to reform the mental health system and we believe we can find a the best solution to create a win-win for all. thanks for being here today and being a part of this very important conversation. [applause]
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we have changed the entire military reform system. headquarter. headquarter reductions, sexual assault, which continues to be a very important issue. now we hear that the president has threatened to veto, and if i could quote
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from the editorial in the "washington post" on october 3,l says, the bill seeks $112 $112 billion price tag, roughly the total mr. obama himself requested. as it happens the bill also contains important policy changes, major compensation reform that creates retirement savings options from our service members and $50 million and lethal military aid for ukraine. mr. obama opposes the latter mandate which the bill would allow his administration to waive as well as the bills continuing of existing constraints on the power to open and close the basic guantánamo.
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the fact remains, that is not the most publicly stated reason to veto. refusing to sign this bill would make history, but not in the getaway. mr. obama should pursue other legitimate goals were domestic sequestration of relief. let me emphasize, congressman thornberry and i both adamantly oppose this methodology. we wants sequestration repealed, to give the military the ability to plan ahead rather than having to lurch from one year to another and from one cr to another. but we, when given the amount of money the pres. requested, we authorized that amount of money. and for him to veto what is fundamentally a budget bill, policy bill in the name of cost is an appropriate.
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a proper avenue that the pres. should pursue, if he wants to come is the money bill which is the appropriations committee. i am proud to have worked with congressman thornberry, and i would like to say the chairman and i will continue on the path of reform. there are many reforms that need to be made.made. the chairman has been working on an acquisition reform issue for many years, , and i look forward to joining him in the future first, we need to get this into law. i am pleased with the vote in the united states senate today. >> first, i want to congratulate chairman mccain on such a strong vote. of course there were three others were not able to be here command you would have been even stronger.
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i think you seen today they agreed with virtually everything that is in the bill. it is this budget of code issue that largely is propelled by the white house that has caused her to be some concern, butconcern, but i want to emphasize, the substance of this bill reflects the bipartisan input on both parts and from both sides of the capitol. actually, i had a different sentence,sentence, the 1st one, american presidents rarely veto national defense authorization bills, since they are, well, vital to
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national security. now, that is the way it has been for 53 straight years. as you know, we have done the research. there have been a total of four vetoes in the last 53 years on mba. everyone was because of something in the bill, not because of something that was outside the bill,bill, which is the thing of the present is complaining about today. unfortunately all of the benefits, the acquisition reform, new retirement system, all the help for our troops there is no guarantee that that comes back. we could will lose it. on the other hand, if the pres. signs this this bill he loses no leverage because the appropriations bills have yet to be appropriated and signed. why not get this done and show the world that our political institutions can
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function for our own national defense. the last., think about the headlines today. russia's launch. russians launched cruise missiles. a new ground offensive is starting in syria. there is danger wherever you look. this is absolutely one of the worst times i can imagine to veto a bill that supports our troops, gives the president additional tools to push back against russian aggression, gives new tools to push back against i sil. it really wouldit really would be misguided, and i hope the president will reconsider. >> have either of theseyou spoken directly to the president about the issue? >> no. we have not spoken to the secretary of defense. we have spoken to the present. >> what is the plan? do you wait and see what the
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budget negotiations are? >> if we can't override it obviously it will be outside events that dictate the future and fate of the legislation. in the meantime, we will be passed the end of a -- the end to another fiscal year. they will not be able to plan, nor will they be able to operate, nor will these new policies be put into effect. so, if we have to await, if there is further negotiations were discussions, and it is not
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without significant cost, very significant cost, particularly to the men and women in uniform and there ability to defend the nation. that is why this is so distasteful. the pres. distasteful. the president has a political fight with republicans over a funding issue, so he has put the nation's security at risk in order to try to make that point. >> i could not have put it better. it is distasteful, and i think that that is being mild. remember, there is nothing we could have done in this build is satisfied with the pres. is complaining about. it is about. it is a budget issue, appropriation issue, not a defense reauthorization issue which is why this would be historic, but not in a good way. >> can you talk at all about potential negotiations? do you think that is the best chance to give a deal get a deal that would raise the budget caps? >> i do not know. i continue to hope that the president just we will not veto, that there will be sufficient pressures on him. that is our 1st option. as far as events after that
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we know that there are discussions/negotiations going on with mcconnell, weiner, and theweiner, and the white house. frankly, this should not have anything to do with authorization and everything to do with the amount of money that is appropriate. >> outside events will dictate the future? >> if the president vetoes and his veto is not overwritten. i guess you would have to ask chairman thornburg. it will be interesting to see how many we hold. what i'm saying is, we have done our job in the senate and the house, a piece of legislation done the bipartisan fashion. and so we will be in this negotiations.
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we can't control that. i can tell you what we can do with it will be doing on every street corner in america that we can stand on we will be talking about the lives of the men and women who are putting men and women in danger of our budget fight. this bill solve all problems, but i can do some good things for the country at a dangerous time. >> what do you think is the
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most likely scenario at this point? >> i don't know. the pres. has has said he would veto it. really, i don't know. it would be historic, if he does. i hope he dies. and if he does, we will have to work on next steps after that. but i just want to emphasize , there is no guarantee that all of the good things in this bill that all the democrats a bragbrag about will automatically come back. they may not. >> any thought to contingency plans such as taking money recommendations of the bill and making it appear policy measure? >> we can't do that. >> you have to have money for it.
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>> we are proud of the entire year of hearing, putting together legislation, markups, brain to the floor or coming to the conference. we have spent an entire year, the majority of our time working with both sides , very bipartisan in both committees. and so we are not ready to say we will just discard what we have worked so hard for. i am very proud of this product and the fact that except for this funding mechanism it is totally bipartisan. >> given the support of democrats for the large majority of the bill, is no, is not possible to amend the bill to reflect whatever budget deal occurs? >> i direct your attention to section 1501 in the conference report that says
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that if there is a budget agreement that changes the cabs or does something different, then these authorization levels are automatically adjusted to reflect that. that is my peemack. we are not walking the president or anyone else into anything. we have the flexibility in the bill right now, so let's do what we can, understand these conversations, and it will automatically be adjusted to reflect those conversations. >> all right. >> this agreement, senator reid and congressman smith on guantánamo. do you see any room for negotiation? >> let me say that six and a half years ago the white house counsel came to my office and said there going to give you a plan for the
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closure of guantánamo because i happen to believe that quantum on a motion be closed, but must have certain circumstances including dod supervision and a whole lot of different aspects of it because i believe it is bad for american image. a call we are about to develop a plan. about four months ago i was in the oval office and the president said, i'm going to give you a plan. i want to close guantánamo. as a plan. i will discuss it with the house chairman and see if we can get some support for such a thing. they cost something like $2.3 million and so they have never come over with a plan.
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after the secretary of defense and presidents advisory on terrorism set of my office and said we will get you a plan right away. of course we have no option. are we expected to approve of the closing of guantánamo without a plan for how you dispose of those people that have been judged too great a threat to the security of the united states to be released? of course not. sonot. so now they are complaining about a simple fact, and we are asking the administration to certify the someone that they want to release is not going to come back and attack america.america. i don't think that is an outrageous request. >> one other point. the restrictions that are in this conference report about bringing guantánamo detainees back to the us is the exact same language that president barack obama signed into law and the defense authorization bills
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in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014. and they last one year. it does come with a plan after six years, we can look at that and make adjustments if he gets the support of the american people. but beside this language into law year after year after year. >> all right. and the words of chairman mao, it ismao, it is always darkest before it is totally black. thank you very much. >> majority leader kevin mccarthy, utah congressman and florida congressman are running to replace house speaker who is stepping down later this month. we get an
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update from texas republican congressman bill florez and spoke to a reporter. >> chairman of the republican study committee. your group met earlier with the three members running for house speaker. what did those candidates have to say? >> first of all, we had a great meeting meeting with over 100 of our membership in attendance. all three of the candidates did a really nice job of expressing their opinions about the direction they would later conference and presumably the country. they talked about how we can unify the party, the processes we would use, the way that we would develop our agenda and messaging, and the other parts of their individual personalities that they thought could help us get across the finish line in order to be a very successful and pacesetting conference. >> majority leader kevin
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mccarthy daniel webster of florida and from jason j fits oversight chair, what were a couple of two or three questions that your members wanted to know from each of those candidates? >> there were two questions that stood out that when across each of the candidates. with -- the 1st one was called will you support the nominee that we select tomorrow whenever we have a floor vote. the 2nd question was, if we don't have 218 votes for the nominee how are we going to get to 218 votes. how do we unify our party so that we are more effective. >> have you had a chance to talk individually? >> yes, sir.yes, sir. i have. >> will you or the art fc endorse any of the candidates prior to thursday's conference election?
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>> no. i do not think appropriate. we have over 170 members, and they each work for their constituents back home and therefore each of them need to make a decision that they think is best for their district and for their constituents. as a result of that we do not believe in blocked moving, endorsement, butvoting, endorsement, but what i was trying to do today and hosting this candidate forum is give each of our members a way to formulate an opinion about which person they should support. not only tomorrow, but hopefully it will get them to a position to a they can support the ultimate nominee >> what concerns do you have as rsc chair. >> the primary concern is that we as a conference have struggled to be unified.
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particular over the past few weeks it has been pretty difficult to be unified, although i do see the early green shoes, seeds that have been planted that hopefully will help us to become more unified in the weeks ahead. thatthat was my primary concern, but it doesn't like we are building the new gop conference of the future, whichfuture, which i think we will be more effective and accountable to the american people. >> what has been your relationship? >> a very successful and cordial relationship. in order for me to do my job best on behalf of the republican study committee is to have those type of professional relationships. that does not mean i have always agreed with them and quite frankly and many times i did not agree command i would tell them that
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privately. and we were able because we have these cordial relationships to get some things done that i thought were beneficial to the conference, country, constituents we represent back home. .. that's what we try to do. under the old leadership structure, i think the conversation we have had everyone was prepared for today. i believe the result of that will be far more effective than it has been thus far. thanks for dropping by.
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the house freedom caucus has endorsed daniel west for speaker complicating kevin mccarthy's path to the votes he needs to win a vote on the house floor later this month. daniel neuhauser is with us. why did they endorse daniel webster for speaker? >> webster is the former speaker of the florida house and he prides himself on having a reformed process of how bills were passed in the house there. he has been going door-to-door, caucus to caucus, delegation to caucus, delegation to delegation on capitol hill making that exact case. he said i did this in florida and i can do it here. we recognize the process is broken and i want to fix that. i want to empower individual
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members. he's been talking about a power pyramid that he wants to do away with and allow individual members to have more of a say in legislation that comes up and how it ends up getting past. you say this quest for the speakership complicates things. what is the impact on majority leader mccarthy? the unknown is we are not sure how much support he has. >> there are only a handful of members who have publicly endorsed him but certainly he could get a few as well. the freedom caucus is comprised of 30 or 40 members. if they vote in a block, that promises at least something like 30 votes to webster. in the immediate term, it's not going to have a huge effect because mccarthy is going to be the recipient of a wide majority of the republican votes behind closed doors tomorrow.
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where this matters is october 29 when they go to the house floor. that's a big unknown because on the house floor, mccarthy needs to win 218 votes to win speaker. he can't do that if 30 or more republicans vote for someone else. you need 21818 republicans in america are 247 and conference. it makes it tough to get there. >> is the freedom caucus not committing to vote for whoever comes out as the winner tomorrow. >> my understanding of their decision is they are committing to only tomorrow. i think they view the rest of this month as a trial run for mccarthy. you know you have got all these different issues coming up. the debt ceiling has to be dealt with in december. if they are not happy with
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helmut ivey handles these things they could potentially vote against him in october. it's possible they might do that anyway. >> walk us through the process on thursday with the conference. how will that work? >> they go behind closed doors at noon. each candidate has to be nominated by another member of congress. there has to be a second. that essentially means there have to be to people who support the member. after that the candidate gives a speech and members cast their vote by secret ballot. the tallies are not given out. no individual members votes are going to be relayed to the press or other members. after that is all done, they will be counted up and whoever emerges what the majority will be the person who the conference elected. >> the other leadership
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positions in the party, initially are supposed to be voted on on thursday. that has been pushed back. >> that's right. it's unclear what the reason is, but i think the public reason is to recognize there is a lot of dissent right now. they don't think the majority leader position should be voted on until someone is actually named speaker on october 29. it's possible that this vote could go on for days. who knows, weeks. anything can happen until they get enough votes. they don't want to jump the gun on naming someone to a position that might not be open. >> daniel neuhauser of national journal. he is on twitter. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> majority leader kevin
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mccarthy and daniel webster and another are running for house speaker. it will be voted on by the entire house chamber at the end of october. follow coverage on the cspan network. heads of a number of businesses and hobby groups testify for the need of drone safety regulation. we also hear from faa uppity administrator who was asked about the rulemaking process for drones. the house aviation subcommittee hearing is chaired by new jersey congressman.
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>> the sub committee will come to order. thank you for being here. members may be permitted to sit with the sub committee and are here for testimony and to ask question. without object and we will start. >> we look forward to hearing from various stakeholders on a very important subject in our nation. unmanned aircraft systems represent the latest frontier in aviation technology. while still a new industry, they are already contributing to our economy and changing how businesses do business. across the country we see use for a myriad of operations from surveying, photography, safety inspection, medical delivery and
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search and rescue. with each new use, businesses and and commercial users can save time, money and lives. like any other new technology, they bring new challenges as well. in the past year pilots have reported sightings of drones near airports at an accelerated rate. in 2014, the faa received 238 238 reports of drone sightings. in 2015, the number has already excited exceeded 600. safety is paramount in aviation. the higher number of sightings raises serious questions and concerns. some of these reports involved in airliners and record a lowball to two near the nation's busiest airports. other reports involve pilots of general aviation aircraft in less busy airspace. the real possibility of midair collision must be taken seriously in order to prevent
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tragic consequences. to be clear, it is also my understanding that some of these reported sightings may involve something other than a consumer unwisely operating their new gadget in a controlled or restricted airspace. in at least some cases, the reported drone may have been a government operated aircraft lawfully operated drone or simply a bird in flight. we need to understand what precisely is going on in our airspace, what is the actual risk and how we manage and mitigate it? with retailers ready for significant drone purchases by consumers, this upcoming holiday season, this conversation and subsequent action cannot wait. there are real consequences if we are not cautious enough and we must not go to the extreme which could unnecessarily restrict the ua s s industry's growth and innovation here in
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the united states because of the so-called false positives. the key is balance. i believe this committee as well is the faa and stakeholders continue to strive for just about. balance the answer to these questions will be complex though i confident our country can and will address them. i look forward to hearing from our witnesses and thank them for joining us today. before i recognize mr. larson for his comments, i ask unanimous consent that all members of five legislative days to amend their remarks. >> thank you chairman for holding today's hearing on ensuring aviation safety in an era of unmanned aircraft. we are here to address this important and timely topic of the safety of drones in
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airspace. the number being sold in the u.s. is staggering. according to one group, the number sold could reach 700,000. that's a 63% over last year. other reports suggest that figure will reach 1 million. it will continue to grow. in astral question becomes, who are flying these million plus unmanned aircraft question many are responsible and safe users. it includes serious hobbyists such as those represented by the academy of model aircraft. unfortunately they also include people who are not familiar with the rules of aviation or concept of aviation safety. there are 600 reports of an ear passes between aircraft and throne. that tells us what we need to do more to reduce our likelihood of
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a drone ending up in line of an aircraft carrying hundreds of people on board. it's like letting people drive remote control cars on the interstate. it's not if and when it will happen, it's when. there were some pretty scary encounters. one pilot encountered a drone that came close enough to hit a propeller. the small size made it impossible to see until it was too late to take evasive action. the list continues. in addition to risks in the air, unmanned aircraft pose risk on the ground. this year and aerial vehicle crashed in seattle injuring one woman when it crashed into her head i look forward to hearing
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from you. they can be used for search and rescue as well as the inspection of bridges and other critical transport structures. it has great potential to drive growth and create jobs. one estimate is that in ten years it will create 100,000 jobs in ad $82 billion in value to our economy. that's particularly important to states like my home state of washington which is a hub of aviation research and development. we have an opportunity to be proactive. we need to understand today what congress can do to keep our safe and pass legislation to keep safety in place yet unharmed the
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industry. fa a expects to issue a delayed rule next year. there's a question i hope we get out today and that is what should congress do and what can faa do to ensure the safety of recreation drone operation. they are cautioning against a broad interpretation of that vision. in fact, in light of all the safety, maybe it's time to revisit that provision. i look forward to hearing from the panelist today about what congress and the ffa and what the industry can do to keep the integration of drones on track and to ensure safety. thank you. >> thank you rick.
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i would like to really think rick larson for the close working relationship on this issue that we spent a lot of time with. >> thank you mr. chairman, i appreciate the opportunity and appreciate convening the committee on this important topic today. there is tremendous potential in this industry. first we must establish the rules that establish the integrity and safety of our aviation system today. we've seen instances mentioned by the ranking member earlier of these toy drones in critical airspace. at this point, we don't really know what happens when you suck a quad copter into a jet engine.
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at my request the faa is moving forward with an evaluation. we did, after an investigation in 2094 pittsburgh, there was a possible bird strike and if a 4-pound bird hits an aircraft it generates force equal to 14-ton. some of these toys up there in the airway that much. what could that do if ingested? we need to know. what other solutions? clearly there are commercial applications which the faa is moving forward with. the issue can be drawn between toys and commercial application. the toys need to be restricted in terms of where they can operate.
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that is, they should be programmed before they can be sold so they can't fly in restricted airspace. they can't fly over 400 feet. anybody who is found to have hacked that should be subject to serious penalties and fines. i think we might also have to look at registration. in my hometown of spring springfield, someone was using a drone as a peeping tom and looking in windows. ultimately a crash. police have no idea who was operating that thing. we have no way to track it. there should be a way to track these things back to irresponsible operators. people who are using them illegally, improperly and endangering both personal privacy and potentially safety of the traveling public. so, i think there is a lot of work to be done. we will hear today from the service. we had interruption in critical firefighting activities the
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summer because of idiots flying their toy drone into areas where we wanted to operate aircraft to fight the fire and they had to suspend operation. there needs to be consequences for people who do those sorts of things and i expect this committee to work with the ffa to take proper authority against these people or whether they need new authorities and new regulations so that we can divide between people who are using them responsibility for recreation or those who are using them responsibility commercially, and those who are the minority who are using them irresponsibility. they expect 1 million of these toy drones to sell for christmas these years. 1 million. how many of those 1 million people have any idea, obviously
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a lot of them live in restricted airspace. do they know what restricted airspace is and whether or not they can operate the drone there. i don't think they are aware. her has to be a massive educational campaign in place which should be pushed forward and paid for by the manufacturers of these toys who are profiting from their sale. i look forward to your testimony. thank you. >> i want to think our witnesses for being here today. they are michael whitaker with the federal administration aviation. president of the air airline pilots association, richard hansen, director of ever met regulatory affairs for the academy of model aeronautics. doctor michael, prof. of economics and astronautics at stanford university. deputy administrator whitaker you are recognized for your statement.
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>> members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to put appear before you to discuss. >> could you pull your microphone closer? >> thank you. >> to discuss the safe operation of unmanned aircraft. the popularity and variety of unmanned aircraft have increased radically in recent years. many commercial uses becoming commonplace today including infrastructure and inspection, evaluating damage caused by natural disasters and agriculture. they play an important role in law enforcement, firefighting and border protection. at the same time the demand for recreational drones has asked exceeded expectations. it is driven by individuals were completely new to the aviation experience. they are not the traditional model airplane operators, members of clubs who follow safety guidelines and rules. these new entrants are often unaware that they are operating
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in shared airspace. the proliferation of small and relatively inexpensive drones presents a real challenge. the successfully integrate aircraft into our airspace, we must integrate these new operators into our aviation safety culture. we want people to enjoy the technology, but we want to make sure they do it safely. this requires education, as well as creative and collaborative public outreach. this is why we have joined with our industry partners including several seated at the table today, to launch the know before you fly campaign. this provides them with guidance they need to know to fight safety and raises awareness to wear and where not they can fly. we also have a no drone campaign. this reminds people to leave their drone at home during public event such as football games and the pope's visit to
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several major cities. however, we firmly believe that education and enforcement must go hand-in-hand. our preferences for people to voluntarily comply with regulation. we won't hesitate to take strong enforcement action against anyone who flies in unmanned aircraft in an unsafe or illegal manner. when we identify an operator who endangers other aircraft are people in property on the ground, we will work with the local law enforcement to prosecute these activities. today the faa has investigated several hundred incidents of drones operating outside existing operations. earlier this week they proposed a 1.9 civil fine. they want to send a message to others who might pose a ct risk. operate within the law or we will take action. we recognize the technology associated with this is
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continuing to evolve. this is also true for the many technologies that could further advance this industry. we want them to be able to have the technology to identify drones near airports. we recognize that our regulatory framework has to keep pace with technology. the act of 2012 laid out a framework. the faa has taken a number of steps towards accomplishing this goal. a key component of these efforts is finalizing regulations for the use of small unmanned aircraft. earlier this year we proposed rule that would allow them. it meets the need of current commercial demands. we are working to address the
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issues as we finalize the role. the rulemaking approach we are using seeks to find that balance you referred to that allows manufacturers to innovate while mitigating ct risks. we also recognize the need to be flexible and nimble in how we respond to the emerging drone community. as technology is developed in research, we want to move quickly so we can integrate these capabilities. while we have made some progress in recent months, we still have more work to do. recently the faa elevated the importance of these issues within the agencies by selecting two seasoned executives to oversee our efforts. both of these gentlemen are seated behind me.
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the app a has a long history of integrating new users into our airspace and we are equipped to apply this knowledge into the drone usage. i'm proud of them and the approach where we taking and we remain the safest in the world. i'm happy to answer your questions. >> mr. hubbard you are now recognized. >> inc. you mr. chairman, members of the committee. just as a little bit of background, our latest fire season, re- responded to 47000 fires. we have had 9 million acres of affected territory. we mobilized 27000 people with another 5000 in reserve for initial attack. :
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>>. >> 150 feet and prior to to every flight restriction. it is not a simple matter. don't presume to know how to address this to all work together with the faa as a homeland security how to work our way through this.
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in to get media attention how to incorporate into that as day regular message that if you fly we can to get that word out it is for those who don't understand. so if something were to happen with astrakhan the frequency is not that much with their risk identification and avoidance of recognized that it is a
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valuable tool that we can take a vintage of. >> bank for the opportunity to be here today to allow us to perform certain task saugh for conventional aircraft to advance america's competitiveness with the overarching concern is safety in numbers show more encounters are happening more often. commercial and operational operations of the primary source. here are few examples operating a cargo flight
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there was a close encounter flying 63 to the left of the aircraft for blades and ex shaped hull as the airline captain intaglioed cahow of the pilot how can report this level of detailed of uas is way too close are even approaching them on the approach to new work lire a blue metallic drone passing 200 feet under the left-wing arriving at seattle-tacoma airport. they are much smaller than other aircraft they have limited contrast and move much more slowly and as a result they are extremely difficult to see in flight. in this example behalf you can see how the white color
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of the uas blends in with the sky. imagine trying to detect this while flying at 280 miles an hour. the number of near ms. c beds demonstrate the risk it shows the hazards will only increase. united states must put safety first and the faa is making progress but to file a role was small kraft we must address all operation including noncommercial in recreational.
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anyone who plans to fly these for those to the resources such as know before you fly campaign. for those individuals who cannot appreciate the danger within eight minimum age requirements if regulations
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restrict them from operating the uas must have technology to be overridden and those who deliberately bypassed technology must be significant number for penalties and enforcement to be properly trained to understand the consequences to be subject to criminal prosecution in one operating the uas should be subject to civil penalty we welcome the recent proposal of operators for endangering the safety of the airspace around the eric city and chicago with those economic opportunities
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given the safety highlighted by the recent release to urge congress to direct the faa the way it has regulated. we will hope to develop the regulations to ensure the safety of air transportation >>. >> thank you for the opportunity to participate. to fly small and aircraft systems for recreational purposes.
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with the strike set of guidelines. to be recognized by congress as a safe and effective means and most recently to address the personal appearance as a diverse community to a range from bin ages of six and 96. sales will reach near 700,000. but as with any emerging technology there are considerations such as balancing the safety and industry growth and a one to take us step back to discuss the current landscaper go to
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give the faa fits too closely analyzed the records of the sightings released this summer. and the headlines suggest based on specific quotations is seen as the near misses certain that doesn't stop the hundreds one is government authorize military drones and citing the commercial operators that may fly with them without authorization and the most recent sightings or incident where the faa and signed a finding a commercial operator indicates those operations go well beyond to nativity dave could be balloons powerball rockets is only
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helpful if they take the time to analyze and categorize. we are committed to a partnership for consumers from safety and while the faa needs to do a better job to present the data they may have recommendations to ensure the safety of the airspace. they can increase safety to finalize and implement the rules as they are currently written for everyone who wants to fly to participate in a community-based organization or follow new rules for commercial purposes it will help provide oversight for the operators. at the same time the faa should step up enforcement
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to pursue that actors those against careless and reckless operations in those jurisdictions that have criminal laws in place. promoting safety through education is the step we can all take. knowing where they were not to fly. and may not be aware of the safety considerations during the last holiday season there will be around with the communities and the approach will address that the campaign puts information in the hands of the newcomers including the
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air line pilots association to the credit those companies that produce uas had implemented technologies that address some of the concerns. while technology can be a useful tool is no substitute for education. there is a responsibility for safety in the hands of the pilot in the person operating the aircraft for i will answer any questions you may have. >> members of the subcommittee have a professor at stanford university third-generation pilot. my research over 10 years as statistical rest and development of technology
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for aviation safety. into be the most exciting recent development in the field of aeronautics the proliferation makes it accessible inspiring a generation of students and away we have not seen for a long time and also raises concern about safety had rigo about measuring in analyzing these risks? it is a chair by the likelihood and the severity. that one of the most severe households -- it was the sufficiently large drone to cause similar damage to cite
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those drones with the weight i am not aware of any testing of the phantom but it is conceivable to cause some degree of damage but probably not of the severity that would have occurred what is the likelihood of a mid-air collision? in order for that to occur the drone passed to be at the same altitude and geographic location and analysis of data shows there are large areas of the country where the risk of encountering and other aircraft is negligible the there are portions of the airspace headed it is more significant altitude limits can be implemented perugia fencing is more difficult
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relies on the of today database but could be reduced with such technology i allies to use at altitudes of those above 400 feet so that safety features fairly negligible most drones capable of flying above 403 have the altimeter. to see how high the drum can go it doesn't prevent interference but it will help discourage reckless users. but the conscientious user from overriding be altered to the mitt is problematic to the exact approach is still being fought through by industry but the offense
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is a near-term mitigation richard the some kind of beverage structure is needed the commercial draws into the airspace. to pursue the development of flying in the same airspace it is necessary to prevent a collision those for a large round and a technology for small ladrones in conclusion the growing popularity of commercially available drones is a risk that should not be ignored education should play a major role inefficient technologies can be implemented it is in the
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interest of the drone in this - - industry of the nation to support the research needed to ensure aviation safety. thank you for the opportunity. >> looking at uas long full flights is there something we should do? >> we're looking with other agencies but one of the challenges is locating the uas operators if you would get the pilot reports they tell us where that uas is not the operator if you can
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track that with laser strikes the pilot knows exactly where the strike is coming from. the hour challenge is to locate the operators in the first place that is where our emphasis is on education >> according to news reports government agencies and private companies have acquired and deployed detection systems that utilize some combination of radiofrequency and thermal detection back immediately locate the u.s. is the faa considering similar detection technology is as part of the agency's efforts to mitigate the risks between u.s. and the unmanned aircraft? >> we introduced a new research partnership that
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deploys the technology at airports to allow you to a survey the area and detect radio signals so that is going into testing the we're looking for to detect the drones. >> so you will assess the to the testing programs to determine how you perceive from their? directly well get that technology as well as others to develop their own approach that have a security issue as well. >> so the pilot programs that you announced today can you give a time line with their operational? >> it is the existing
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technology but that should be coming shortly the technology folks suggested to require legislation with the product individuals purchased as a way to track or have a database in the event of a violation. >> we have a number of initiatives private industry has put forth including informational paperwork in the packaging itself the
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secretary has said he thinks registration may be one of the answers to the problem and we are evaluating that as an option for all uas. >> in conjunction even if you buy a toaster your register online for warranty purposes that would be shared with an agency it is coming out of private industry we would not be set up to take this registration data to make it accessible to be used for law enforcement purposes. >> the example is they are
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of big driver of a tourism economy with the marine mammal protection act for violating this forgetting to close to the orthopods which then puts the aerial photography applaud his website to advertise himself to basically show everyone how he violated the terms of then there is a fine for that does that run across your desk id accord with agencies. >> we have a large number of ways we coordinate under the dod authorization that
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includes vhs, faa and nasa with interagency group that meets quarterly we have a facility we run at headquarters 24/7 monitoring and we coordinate with law-enforcement agencies through that and vhs has taken a lead on security issues with airport environments and we participate in that so we have the interagency coordination. >> mr. hanson, the district nine vp is the president of
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the folks there in they have attended a few town halls i'd like to commend you and your grass roots organizing. from the perspective locally , how do members look at uas purchases to use that as a database for enforcement in the event of a violation potentially? >> our members understand there is the large platform to be called a drought for golf that is what we were in venda toy category with the short life span limited availability as long as we
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identified that proper threshold they are accepted of that it is important to a similar process is so we hope somebody will return it to us that to help a owner operator. >> and i was no team yesterday crabbing is big in washington state you have to put your name and address on your equipment in case it gets loose or someone steals it but you have to do this to be held accountable is that same kind of deal.
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>> drones could monitor the crab pots. [laughter] >> that is next. >> the university of alaska fairbanks when a the designated area test site but the frustration is the certification process does the faa do anything to shorten the process? but take so long time. >> we're taking several steps to issue it a blanket authorization and we recently last month increase that have 400 feet the streamlined that paperwork process there may be some
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exemption requirements that we do a safety analysis but it should be more streamlined. >> now it will take one year or two years and we need to solve that problem. >> the applications have been eliminated to be measured in. >> what type of equipment for collision avoidance? if you have to look for the drone but you have to identify the object in front of you more than i cite? >> it is very difficult. >> and to highlight other
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aircraft for summer league quipped if it does not have a transponder it will not show up in the cockpit. >> how did you get into such a good position? how did you achieve that? to make this drives going forward? >> the significant differentiation is the approach that we take that traditionally because of the interest of the aviation and operate their aircraft they
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are attracted more private a technology and functionality and in some cases it isn't different from the smart phone looking at as an extension of your camera we have a different mind-set but in our opinion it does the process that the american citizens will do that but until we can say the consumer has that in hand the deliberate act of the others. >> you are an expert will happen if we require the manufacturers if they got
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within so many feet of an airport? that is what we are here for the danger to the airplane. could it the technology? most are battery operated they do not run on fossil fuels period the majority of the 700,000 are battery powered. >>. >> i was driving my golf cart like head technology be applied? >> that is what they are aiming at the you don't want that to die completely. >> if you lose your drone
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you will not do that again. >> but if i may say you help us to write the legislation because when we write legislation 99% of the time it is screwed up they do understand to get the input from the airline and the faa and those who have knowledge of how it works we have to use your input i say this from experience of 44 years it doesn't work and the regulations come in and we're all screwed up i just want to use your expertise to solve this problem. i yield back. >> lamp please to read that faa is going ahead there were going to test their technology to pinpoint the
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operator. they can do numerous things they can force the drone to land to go back to the operator or to deliver something to the operator. so the question would be how quickly will we move ahead? i am very disturbed at the 24 incursions' how many of those people were prosecuted or identified? >> i don't have statistics how many but it is very difficult to track them down based on operations. >> right. what about registration? you said you couldn't handle the volume? you're talking about the online data base.
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>> how that would be used in the logistics' what is the best tool whether it is a point of sale so digging into those technicalities. >> i hope that doesn't take too long would like to know that peeping tom but we will never know. to have safe sites around airports i have been through almost 29 years to talk about the tombstone mentality in i am very
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concerned what this means for civil aviation in this country and beyond that i am concerned it will bring to a halt the commercial development of drones they are operating irresponsibly this industry will grind to a halt to you have anything you want to read? so with those little piston engines that to the work very well. with all whole new generation of people that sulfone edit it doesn't go together now getting their hands on the drones. >> i agree to differentiate the point of his members
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that were responsible operators and those not part of his community they do have batteries their heavy metal pieces that will wreak havoc on aircraft when it hits there will be a significant event. is a diffident whether the windscreen or the internet will be significant for the flight crew and will be challenging to save the aircraft. >> okay. anybody want to comment? to make it is not my intent to scare anybody but it will be a significant event civic you cannot particular point to say that is the sole cause we look at the risk that we deal with in commercial aviation to a sign risk
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weather, traffic, a communication and cybersecurity real look under every single element this is another element should happen that it's time already dealing with a malfunction and then we hit the drone? always the neck critical phase of flight that is the highest risk of an accident. >> you cannot point to a single solution has to be layered. >>. >> ag for holding this hearing. what is today's date?
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>> the october 7, 2015. the legislation that we passed in 2012 the modernization reform act had a directive to do the faa and what deadline didn't set -- did it set for you to finish the work that was assigned? >> september 2015. >> so you are behind schedule obviously. if you review the record when repast this in in 2012
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that by next year 2013 you had completed the plan that was required under the law you didn't propose the rule until january 20 of this year. the rule came out in february now we're just into october's you have had eight months and now you say, does the rule just deal with the small aircraft? >> everything under 55 pounds. >> we allow that differentiation between small and large. at lease the testimony can
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you be more specific? to read that comment period was open through april with over 4500 comments. >> is to get the rule out with the review process the last five we discussed this week agreed on the date of june, the first half of next year. >> development of large integration will depend on commercial demand and that will probably.
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this the schedule is a very serious accident and i can predict that it is almost inevitable to have major road hit and aircraft there will probably be injuries and hopefully not fatalities. these drones are up at 55 pounds leggett said testing center dave broder of 40 lb frozen turkey i saw what that did i don't need another test to show but it probably will have been. how many incidents?
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is it 200 or 400? >> we don't keep the records >> faa do you know, ? decorate -- react 25 per month. >> now 20 enforcement actions? >> civil penalties. >> with your plan and i have not reviewed them but you have a provision hundreds of thousands of days are being sold that says you cannot fly this that is not required on the sale of the unit. is headed your proposal?
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can you do that or should we do that by law? just letting people know with a purchase one of these is important. >> we're working with manufacturers. >> did your proposed rule? to make it deals with commercial operations in the amateur operators and the increasing never do that now to have a rule mandated. >> thank you. i yield back. >>. >> my first question is for mr. hanson regarding data uas near misses death in -
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- did they have a data collection program underway how does as a stingier statement is much lower. >> it does not collect the data. and i think it is important to note what is termed as xavier missile a midair collision it was a subjective term it does not have a defying definition or a definitive definition with the and the aircraft so realistically to the
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language itself to pull out the ones that report the siding - - and the siding is a -- deciding to take evasive action many could not even be termed a year encounter of any kind it was even identified to be an aircraft. >> you have been a definition of near miss that should be standardized? >> you will have to do some analysis of the environment the captive inside ted very slow moving objects that wins seen from the cockpit it is difficult to have a relative value of sizers
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speed or intentions so in terms of what would constitute a your missive is probably from the perspective of the pot - - pilot into appropriately take action that there isn't an airspace conflict. >> i agree we need to have good data on which to do that. i represent one of a most forested district in the country with though terrific wildfires we try to do something set is different from suppression so what
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about fire prevention in a healthy forest? >> bay are useful and what we're dealing with in the land. that overflight to give a good assessment without that expense of the ground is very helpful. >> back to suppression, how you intend to use uas in fire suppression in efforts? >> to keep track of what is going on with the cruz of the ground how the big fire is behaving to make sure nobody is in harm's way it have the right kind of communication in case they need to move quickly. >> we had a tragic situation
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where our firefighting crew did not know the direction of the fire and it changed dramatically. wood said 29 be helpful to prevent that tragedy? >> that is difficult for our would have liked to had it available. >> i yield back. >> you were talking about the need to register drones is that all of them or is there a size limits or a cutoff point war is won a toy that you don't have to give your identity to the federal government? >> to analyze the capabilities of the vehicle of the altitude range and
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speed to see if they could end up in aerospace. >> i could go on to amazon this is the best selling they have $45.90 i could have it by friday i and the amazon prime member by friday for free shipping is 1 pound with a range of 50 meters that is 165 b. shirley you're not saying this should be registered. >> but up at 1500 feet, yes of - - yes, sir. >> i am not sure if that rage is lateral or transmitter or physical capability orphic continues to climb. >> i have spoken in tucson in the industry that have
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expressed an interest to work with you. is there any way a manufacturer could get a list of restricted airspace? >> it is all publicly available and pushed out from ed a son manufacturers have started to include that in their products. >> so there is a standardized data based updated regularly? in those to give interim updates. >> you could get that computerized to keep the database of registered owners that seems pretty simple of name in address i
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could probably coated that before we finish lunch. >> then we need to verify that is the person who actually registers that. >>. >> is there a way to integrate into the air traffic control system by putting a transponder or air traffic controller? it seems like they could get that on the chip so with him richer use space to keep -- keep them out of airports by the there is the question
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with a radio signal to attract them otherwise anything that operates in a controlled airspace would be after 2020 but that is to have that integration from new york. >> talk about the recreational users to stick a go. or a camera on the drone then upload that and then where do you cross the line into commercial use? >> i think it is a pretty common use of recreational drones commercial is it your paid to operate or is part of your business model.
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>> i could see potential gray areas and with the shot at a lemonade stand you cross that line. with those recreational users better being reckless but then to find the right balance between but not over regulating but i see my time is expired. >> given my congressional district the sheriff's department is the only public agency that uses uas
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besides the navy. the shares are part has received a certificate but for search and rescue every time the shares of is operates and also a to file a notice they take this out of the abundance of caution is that what they would consider in terms of their requirement that other teeeight nine but have to do? >> this is the interim step
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to notify other users in the system. >> stowe what is the backlog right now? what is the current demand? we have clear the backlog but they're coming in at a pretty big flip. >> you know, how many uas are operated begins
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commercial applications? >> with the indications with the of clamps the numbers are too big tear track. >> with the uas over 500 feet. >>. >> can you give me a sense how many you are involved in with the special contract for specific use? >> we tried to recruit them as much as possible with literally thousands these vehicles are here now.
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>> so the civil penalties? >> several hundred investigations under the compliance policy and there are cases that require a. >> where the civil penalties? >> the base line is $25,000 in the case of the penalty over a heavily populated area. does the faa have any specific recommendations to improve the enforcement authority for civil penalties? >> we are a buy rating other
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agencies of the 250,000 on the criminal side that level is evaluated interagency the most bang for the book comes to education on the enforcement side there is a challenge of the operators. >> with that education peace is there a legal barrier to prevent the faa to require manufacturers to include the safety information on packaging? >> we are prohibited for regulating for recreational use for it is possible we could do a rule making around that but the time frame it isn't a viable tool so we are focused on voluntary compliance.
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>> as the pilot represents the airforce base i suggest there is more unanimity among you that i have seen in a long time. we are one severe accident away over a public human cry why haven't we done something. . .
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they don't survive well. they are small. and i would say, it gives the assumption that people have perfect information, that people call, investigate, do their homework. and i know as a pilot, people do not. i want to ask, it is my kind of unconsidered opinion that these things do not belong near airports. and to that end -- and what kind of -- and you talked a lot about this in your statement. what kind of training do you think is appropriate for the people that are flying these larger ones or anyone, if you will, that you would like to see? >> well,

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