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and it is a known man's land, in that black people, this is not the white section and she makes clear she is not sitting in the white section. there are a lot of myth she sits in the white section. she is sitting in the middle section. the middle section, black people would sit there but if she put it on the whim of the driver could be asked to give up their seat. the first stop after she gets on, the bus fills up, one white man is left standing. the bus driver notices this, his name is james blake, he tells the people in rosa parks's row, for this one white man to sit down, all four people in this row has to get up and he asks them to get up and no one moves. the axe again, you better make it right on yourself and the other three people reluctantly according to rosa parks get up and as she puts it, she pushed
as far as she could be pushed, if she got up she would be consenting to this treatment and she did not consent. a young 14-year-old had been lynched in mississippi, she thinks about her grandfather and she refuses and so she actually, the man sitting next to her get by her and flies over to the window and refuses. the bus driver says i am going to have you arrest a. she says you may do that. the bus driver gets up and calls the police, doesn't have a cellphone. we can think about what is happening, she is sitting there, those of us who have been on the bus when somebody makes a scene, people are grumbling, getting off the bus. the police officers get on the bus and many of us think about rosa parks being quiet and rosa parks is certainly at shy reserved person but rosa parks
is not quiet in key moment and when the police officers get on the bus and asked her why she didn't move she says why do you push us around? i do think rosa parks in many moments challenges in her body and also with her voice that system of inequality in this country and she is arrested. >> host: the teaching of history, we all learned rosa parks sat on the bus in the white section. this is what you write in your book "the rebellious life of mrs. rosa parks," turn of the century reconstruction history held a good black people as differential and happy, said too, so does the incessant celebration of rosa parks as quiet and not a angry. >> we learned about her.
she is incredibly celebrated and honored. on the other hand we hear about one day rosa parks had a lifetime of activism both in montgomery and they leave montgomery in 1977 and she will spend the second half of her life as an activist in the detroit fighting the racism of the jim crow no.. she will continue to do that. rosa parks will call malcolm x her personal hero, the active against the war in vietnam, active against apartheid, a picture in my favorites in the book of an older rosa parks protesting outside the south african embassy, she will continue to the end of real-life saying the struggle is not over, there is injustice in this country and she will be resolved to keep fighting and yet i think the way rosa parks is tossed is as a problem resolved in the past when the actual rosa parks said there is much more work to be done. >> host: how did you do the
research on this book? >> guest: i had to do a lot of digging. i went to all sorts of archives, in part because part of rosa parks's papers were caught in a dispute over her estate, had gotten the papers to sell with all of her in effect, they languished in new york for a decade until this summer howard buffett made an incredible donation and recently gave them to the library of congress and in february theyopened. they are re
>> you were watching booktv, television for serious readers. watch any program you see are online at booktv.org your. >> next up dr. ben carson former neurosurgeon and current republican presidential candidate recalls portions of his life in ways in social and political issues. >> good afternoon and welcome. my name is john hughes. i'm an editor for "bloomberg news" first word. that's bloomberg breaking his desk in washington. and i'm president of the national press club. thank you, thank you. [applause] our guest today is now researching dr. ben carson. he'll discuss his newest books, one he wrote with his wife
candy, titled "a more perfect union: what we the people can do to reclaim our constitutional liberties." but first i would like to introduce our distinguished head table. this head table includes club members and also guests of the speaker. from the audience's right, joseph morton, he's a washington correspondent for the omaha world herald, and he is the membership secretary of the national press club. ferdous al-faruque. he's a reporter for the gray sheet. jennifer laszlo mizrahi, president of respectability usa. benjy sarlin, he's political reporter for msnbc. candy carson, she's the wife of our speaker. [applause] thomas burr, he's the washington correspondent for the salt lake
tribune and he is the vice-president of the national press club. myron belkind. he's a george washington university professor and former president of the national press club. kevin merida, he's the managing editor of the washington post. gabriel debenedetti, he is the national political correspondent for politico. yasmine el-sabawi, she's the correspondent for the kuwait news agency. and dakarai aarons, he's director of strategic communications for the data quality campaign. [applause] i also want to welcome our other guests in the room today and our cspan and public radio audiences. i want to welcome our audiences watching the live stream on our website press.org.
and you can also follow the action on twitter. use the hashtag npclive. that's hashtag npclive. well our speaker today has never served in congress or as the served in congress or as the served in congress or as theserved in congress or as thetheserved in congress or as governor of a state or in any elected office of any kind. he did tell me he was elected and that gets applause. he did tell me that he was elected to the yale board, so there's an elected office, but that's as close as it comes to being elected to any kind of public office. and this is one of the reasons dr. ben carson's supporters say they want him to be the next president. he's not part of the washington
establishment that so many fault for gridlock and ineffectiveness. so far on the campaign trail he's separated himself from better-funded candidates with the political experience that he lacks. recent polling has dr. carson running second nationally for the gop nomination behind donald trump and ahead of carly fiorina. in campaigning he has shown his sharp opposition to obamacare, his support of the second amendment, his concern about the federal debt, and his goal to stop abortion. he also says all options must be on the table when confronting russia's vladimir putin. his life story has become familiar to many. he grew up poor in detroit with a single mother and excelled in school. he rose to become the director of pediatric neurosurgery at johns hopkins for 29 years. he became the first person to successfully separate siamese twins joined at the back of the head. he won the presidential medal of freedom in 2008.
and he has published several books, including his autobiography gifted hands. during various media appearances, he has made a lot of headlines on issues such as the mass shooting in oregon, the debt limit, and whether he could vote for a muslim for president. but we all know the best place to make news is in this room and at this podium. so let's be about it. ladies and gentlemen, please give a warm national press club welcome to dr. ben carson. [applause] >> thank you. well, thank you very much. candy and i are delighted to be here. i'll just get right into it because we don't have a whole lot of time.
about illegal time to answer questions. why did i write this book? and america is such a great place in i am so glad that i was born here. i have traveled to 57 different countries, i've gotten lots of people in a lot of other ways, but this remains the place that is the land of dreams. and then all of the people like to criticize our nation or demonize it and say it's responsible for a lot of horrible things. and yet i see a lot of people try to get in, not a lot of people trying to get out so i'm not sure that that vote is all that legitimate to be honest with you. but growing up in poverty with a lot of disadvantages, the thing that was really great is i still was able to focus on my dreams of becoming a doctor.
it's the only thing i ever wanted to do. i skip right over firemen and policemen went straight to doctor. i love anything that had to do with medicine. i even like to go into the doctor's office. i would gladly sacrifice the shots just to be able to smell those alcohol swabs, you know, it was so cool. and on through the whole process, were there a lot of hurdles along the way? absolutely. tremendous hurdles along the way. but nevertheless, it was impossible to realize that dream. and i want to make sure that that continues to be the case. and one of the reasons that it was possible is because we have a system that did everything possible to create fairness, even when they were people in the system who did not want to be fair.
and that's what it is so important that we must preserve our constitution. virtually all americans know that we have a constitution. but how many people actually know what's in it? and how many people actually know what's kind it? and, of course, it is the mechanism that guarantees our liberties and that provides the guidelines for the restraint of government. because our founders recognized that it was a natural tendency of government to grow and to invade every aspect of your life and to try to control your life. that's what people do. and that's what they wanted to avoid by doing this. and that's what is so important that we understand it. you know, in 1831 when alexis
de tocqueville came to america to study our great country, because the europeans were just so flabbergasted that this fledgling nation, barely 50 years old, was already competing with them on virtually every level, he was going to really dissect it and see what was going on. but one of the things that really impressed in lesser educated the people were. anybody finishing the second grade was completely literate. he could find a mountain man on the outskirts of society and the guy could read the newspaper and tell him how our government worked. and nowadays we don't seem to emphasize, you know, civics and things like that in school anymore. i'm sure some of you have seen some of those man on the street interview situations where they go out and ask just really basic questions, and people have no
clue what you are talking about. you know, they think, you see who's the first president, and they say reagan? they just have no idea. and it's funny but it's so sad, because our founders, and particularly franklin and jefferson, emphasized education, and they emphasized enough informed. they said our system of government and our freedoms are dependent on a well-informed and educated populace. because they recognized that if the people were not well-informed, that they would be easy to manipulate. and all it would take was dishonest politicians and a complicit news media at all you would go into another direction very, very quickly. now, i'll tell you right off the bat before i go any further, i'm
not politically correct. i will not be politically correct. and that's one of the reasons that a lot of the people in the press don't like me, but it's okay because what i really love is this country. i don't necessarily care whether the press likes me or not. and, therefore, i'm not going to conform to all their little requirements. like people ask me all the time, well why don't you just it is into this? and then they won't say bad things about you. because this is america, that's why i'm not going to do that. i never will do that. i want to touch on some of the aspects of america that touched on in the book, like the balance of powers, the check and balance system, the separation of powers. i believe this is so vitally important. it was a touch of genius by our founders because they recognized that each branch, executive,
judicial and legislative, would want to maintain their power. and, therefore, they would push back against excesses in the other branches. and that works extraordinarily well in a government like we have when they all are exercising their power appropriately. unfortunately, we have a legislative branch that really acts more like a peanut gallery. you know, they sort of sit there and watch what the others do, sometimes complain about it, but really don't offer any resistance, because they are afraid somebody might blame them. newsflash, they are going to get blamed anyway. so what they really ought to be thinking about is how do they get involved and be more
proactive. you know, case in point, i think about the recent decision by the supreme court on gay marriage. now first of all, let me just say, i have nothing against gave people whatsoever. i know a lot of people don't believe that because we live in a society now where, if you don't accept their entire agenda, then you're a homophobe. but i personally believe that any two people, regardless of sexual orientation or anything else, have the right to associate together. if they want to a legal contract drawn up which allows them to share property, have hospital visitation rights, do whatever they want, absolutely. i don't have any problem with it. that's the kind of country that this was designed to be, live and let live. not impose your values on everybody else. and that's the problem.
but with the supreme court ruling that change is essentially the definition of marriage, it doesn't take into consideration the implications of that. a few change it for one group, why won't you change it for the next? what defense do you have against the next group? you're going to say, we can only change at this one time. whenever going to change it became? that wouldn't be very fair. so why change it in the first place? it's been working very well for thousand of years. that's what happens when people go in and start tinkering with things without thinking about the implications of it. and the legislative branch, however, i would've thought would've been already prepared with legislation in case the supreme court came down with that decision, to make sure we preserve the rights, their
religious rights of everybody. not everybody agrees with their new definition of marriage, and it's sort of a conviction and a religious conviction. and they need to make sure that they protect people's religious rights. they bring johnny-come-lately, but i call upon congress to do that now because there are people who are losing their jobs, their livelihood, and it's not fair. that's not what america was supposed to be. bartimus all the branches of government are functioning the right way, these are the kinds of things that happen. because there will be over reach by any other branches, because they are composed of people and people are not perfect. that's why we have the counterbalance in order to be able to rectify the situation,
because one group may not take into consideration the ramifications of what they are doing. also, the constitution indicates that civil issues really should be dealt with at the local level, at the state level. there was a reason for that. it was because the legislators and the judiciary at the local level are subject to the will of the people. that people vote them in, the people vote them out. at our founders felt that the people should be the ones who determine how things worked in the standards by which they lived here when you take those issues and you pump them up to a level where the people making the decisions have no obligation whatsoever to the people, then you wind up with an oligarchy type government.
that was not what the founders intended for america. so we are somehow going to have to look into ways to rebalance that, because if we continue down that pathway, you can see how virtually everything that they intended will be upset. we don't want that to happen. the preamble to the constitution talks about the role of the government in terms of promoting the general welfare. that doesn't mean that we want to put everybody on welfare. that's not what the general welfare is. it means that when we do things we want to do them in a way that they benefit the entire society. it's very important, you know, that we take care, that we make sure that everybody is taken care of in an appropriate way. that when i say we, that does
not necessarily mean the federal government. you know, i did criticize sometimes, inappropriately by the way, by people who say, carson grew up very poor. he must have benefited from some government programs. and now he wants to withdraw all the safety nets. well this is nothing but a blatant lie by people in the to characterize me as heartless. they love to do that. they love to say carson is insensitive and it is heartless and he hates people, because they need that near-death. that's the only way that can be acceptable because i don't fit into their general description. you know, a black person who is a conservative? they can't deal with that. who talks about self-reliance, and that you are not dependent on them?
all, how could you possibly say such heresy? so you know, it's necessary to demonize individuals like they. and i understand that. i'm actually willing to fight with them. i will continue to fight with them. but i'm fighting for something even greater. and that is, i'm fighting for the people of the united states because, you see, we have very, very smart and very, very capable people in our nation who would be extremely good leaders, but they say, why would i get into that cesspool and be attacked and have my family attacked and have people going through every aspect of my life and trying to demonize me? and people don't want to do that. well, i am going to fight that fight for them. and if i am successful i expect that maybe a lot more of the people in our country who are
not professional politicians will say, you know what, he did it. i'm going to do it, too. and i think we'll be much better off as a country when we once again understand that this country is for everybody and not for a specific political class. [applause] but as far as the whole safety net argument is concerned, my mother worked extraordinarily hard, three jobs at a time, leaving the house before five in the morning, getting back after midnight, because she didn't want to be dependent. and she occasionally accepted some aid. but for the most part was able to stay off of it. and she refused to be a victim. and she refused to let us be
victims. it wasn't that she didn't recognize that there were problems out there, but she chose to focus on other things. she would say to was, if you walk into an auditorium full of bigoted, racist people, she said, you don't have a problem, they have a problem. she said, he goes when you walk in there they are all going to cringe and wonder if they're going to sit next to them. where as you can sit anywhere you want. [laughter] and you know that's kind of the way i have chosen to lead my life. have there been obstacles? of course. have to been racist people around? of course there have. but i said that's their problem. i've had some very important things that i need to do. so i can get wrapped up in their problem or i can do the important things. not everybody chooses to lead their life that way, and that's
fine, that's the way i choose to leave mind. it works pretty well, if i do say so myself. having said that, i am very concerned about the downtrodden people in our society. and i do believe we have a responsibility to take care of them. but when i say we, i'm talking about we the people. i'm talking about the private sector. i'm not talking about the government. you know, the government has been talking -- taking this on really sense woodrow wilson, but they kept increasing. by the time we got to lyndon johnson and the war on poverty, it was, hey, we are the savior, we're going to take care of you guys. we are going to solve all these problems. well here we are all these years later, $19 trillion later, did we solve the problem?
we have 10 times more people on food stamps, more people in poverty, welfare, broken homes, out of wedlock births, crime, incarceration, everything that was supposed to be better is not only worse, it's much worse. so i'm not going to sit here and demonize the government for doing that, but i'm saying, isn't it time to wake up and start thinking about another way to do things, rather than driving ourselves into debt without solving the problem? and that is a tremendous responsibility of the government as well, to remain solvent, because you are the guardian of the people's future. i mean, how can we enjoy the liberties and have our posterity, enjoy the liberties
if they are overloaded with debt? $18.5 trillion, the national debt. think about that. to pay that back at $10 million a day, it would take you over 5000 years. that's absurd. and we are putting that on the backs of our young people. and now here we are sitting here saying, let's increase the debt samore. let's raise the debt ceiling so more. did it ever maybe occur to us that there is another way? i mean, there are 4.1 million federal employees. i would offer that that's too many. and there are 645 federal agencies and sub agencies, all of whom have budgets. this is absurd.
and we've had people saying, if you cut the budget by 1 penny, it will be a disaster. nancy pelosi. you know, i mean, this is absolutely absurd, okay? but we must think about the children. and that really is the main reason that i've gotten into the fray here, as a pediatric neurosurgeon, my whole professional career centered on the children and on the future for the children. and what we have to do to improve quality of life for them. how can we in good conscience continue this charade of responsibility knowing what we are doing to their future? ..
on this one but there it is only one business in america that is protected by the constitution and that is the press. there was a reason for that. was because the press was supposed to be an ally and they were supposed to exposes and inform people in a non-partisan way. when they become partisan which they are they distort the system as it was supposed to work and they allow the side that they pick to get away with all kinds of things. and i think there's still hope for the country. i think it is possible that some of them will recognize that it
is almost a sacred obligation they have to see people to be honest. [applause] >> in the last week my encase, they take something i say about the shootings, don't put the parts in where i was answering the question. just give the response and say he is being critical of people. the good thing is a lot of the people in america aren't to them and understand what they are trying to do and one of the reasons we are doing well, the more they attack me the better we do because people expect that. and, you know, last week i am leaving a press conference getting ready to get on a bus.
can you tell me what you're going to do about hurricanes, i said goodbye, i don't know. next day carson wants to the president and has no idea what to do about hurricanes. this is the level of insincerities though we see. it really is kind of embarrassing and it happens on the other side. is not just on our side. i was doing an interview with wolf but serious stray and he was asking about renewable voting rights act and of course i want to renew the voting rights act, the aspect of its that protect all americans's rights. bennett is a much longer conversation about what needs to be done before it is renewed. it is something based on
conditions, a lot of things have changed since then. we don't want to empower the department of justice to do something based on that bill. everything needs to be looked at in its context. when news media pick one word, one phrase and run with it and try to characterize people like that i got to tell you that is why people don't trust you any more. you are down there with used car salesman. [applause] >> what is it going to take to save our country? courage. is going to take courage by all of us including the president. and we have to begin to think about those who come behind us because what would have happened
to us if those who preceded us where the little chicken livers? what if they were not willing? what if on d-day our soldiers invading the beaches of normandy had seen their colleagues, 100 bodies lying in the sand, a thousand bodies in the sand, what if they had been frightened and turned back? i guarantee you they were frightened. but they didn't turn back. they stepped over the bodies knowing in many cases they would never see their homeland or their loved ones again and they
stormed took that beach and died. why did they do that? they didn't do it for themselves. they did it for you. they did it for me. now is our turn. what are we willing to do for our children and our grandchildren? are we going to stand up? are we afraid someone is going to call us a nasty name quote we are going to get an irs audit or someone is going to mess with our job? we have a lot less to lose than they did and the people who are always telling me hang in there, don't let them get to you, do not worry about it because the stakes are much too hi, thank you very much. [applause]
>> thank you, dr. carson. many questions including many questions about foreign policy. we have vladimir putin intervening in syria supporting the bashar al-assad regime and this morning we learned the president of the united states is ending the program for training the and tied bashar al-assad rebels. how would you as president approach the syrian situation? what action would you take? >> it is a very serious situation and we cannot simply
be passive in situations like this. when russian generals tell us we don't want you guys flying in this area, the response would be go take a flying leap, we will fly wherever we want to but i think we ought to be establishing our own no-fly zones in conjunction with turkey and a i think we need to recognize why is he really there? he was coming here to fight isis, has he really been -- or -- everybody who in fact was proposing bashar al-assad, that is what i think and you look and see bashar al-assad is getting a lot of help from ayatollah khamenei, supreme leader of iran. what is going on fare? these relationships are complex, some people are a little
surprise, when i indicated vladimir putin and all the have a long-term relationship. they were in the same class. and varity in moscow transmitting class of '68 and fame were already quite familiar with a young vladimir putin, adobe vladimir putin is desperate right now because oil prices are very low, this is precluding its expansionist activities, not us, the economic situation, can get a foothold, begin to spread his influence throughout that region and if he
can gain control of significant energy reserves, he might then be able to have a much more control on energy prices and that will embolden him because he will be strengthened to do what he needs to do and we need to fight him everywhere. and reestablishing the missile defense system, supplying arms to the u.k. we said we were going to protect them. i don't think they're sitting by, and we need to take advantage of economic weakness by using our economic strength in a very wise way.
>> the house is looking for a new speaker and there is a report that mitt romney called paul ryan and urged him to run for speaker. is paul ryan the guy, should he run for speaker? as president how would you work with congress to end the gridlock that has defined washington so often? >> paul ryan is a fine person, i like him. i like a lot of people. i hope the process plays out. i hope a number of people will present their philosophy of leadership and that there is an opportunity to members of congress to see who they want to work with as their leader and what i would do is i would have a posse of talking, the current administration doesn't talk about the people in congress even to their own party.
what happens when people get divorced? they start talking and the spouse is the devil incarnate. that is what we are seeing. we all basically want the united states to succeed. we have different philosophies about how that is going to be done but i think if we are willing to to sit down and talked about it, we will find we are not as far apart as we think we are. we have to be the instigators, the people who try to irritate and agitate. good example of that is a few weeks ago when i was on meet the press i said i think anyone from any religion or any background who is willing to embraces our values and is willing to put our constitution above their belief system is acceptable to me. hi joan know why that is a
difficult subject for people to understand, but anyone who's believe system does not conform to our constitution and who is not willing to live under the constitution why would that person be the leader of this country? [applause] >> in your first three months in office what would be different and how will the people know it? >> first of all, i would call for a joint session of congress and i would want them to know that under a curse and administration we recognize people are at the pinnacle and we work for them and they don't work for us. we have to begin to also understand that we are americans first and democrats and republicans second or maybe even
third. we have to stop fighting each other because one of the things that i think threatens to destroy our nation is the extreme divisiveness. we have gotten to the point we believe if someone disagrees with you, then you will need to try to destroy them. destroy their family, where did that come from? a guarantee you it did not come from our judeo-christian values. [applause] >> as president who would you want as chairman of the federal reserve and what qualities do you want in that person? >> honesty and common sense. that is not to say we haven't had such people. i like janet yellen, a very decent person, janet yellen, we
put the fed in a very difficult position right now. very hard for the fed to allow interest rates to rise to a reasonable level. with $18 trillion national debt. or an interest-rate suppress almost to zero, can you imagine it will be if we allow the interest rates to rise to their normal levels. and how that can be done. that would have an ameliorating effect and for the fed but the other thing is i would like to see somebody who understands we can't just print money based on
the good name and faith and credit of the united states of america, in 1933, 1931, from the gold standard. it doesn't have to be bold. there are other things it can be but we need to have some responsible underlying to what we do and it will make a big difference. >> you mentioned your comments on meet the press, and questions from the audience related to that. one questioner says muslims serving in the u.s. in the military or the police force or quartz or school boards or city councils, so on and so forth. how is it ok for muslims to serve and die and the military to defend our values or a judge to uphold the constitution even though the fate of those individuals are compatible with the constitution they are sworn
to protect and uphold? long question. >> guest: a good understanding of the constitution answers that question. when you look at article ii, you are talking about a requirement for the president, they have to be a natural born citizen, why is that the case? i am sure if you had gone to the founders and said what about this person? they have been in america most of their lives and they are fine upstanding citizens who served in the military, came back, can't they be the president? they would have said no. they said we don't even want to
takes a slight chance the we would put someone in that position who had different loyalties. that is the answer to your question. [applause] >> question about your opposition to obamacare, on the lines of you are a doctor and all parts of medical care are important to you, preventive care, and the importance of getting health care, and opposition to the program which has given so many access to healthcare. >> guest: shopping at the bit for that one. the reason i don't like affordable care act is not because it doesn't work and not
because it is critical, but the real reason it is it flies in the face of the principles of the establishment of this country. this country was supposed to be of, for and by the people, government to facilitate life and liberty. and don't care what you people think. this is what we had doing. that is antithetical to the concept of the government being there to serve the people. it slips the relationship and put the government in the driver's seat with a loss at its back and call. the most important thing, your health and health care is not long before they do it with every aspect of your life and it begins the fundamental changing of america and that is why i want to stop in its tracks, most
did not recognize what was happening. we have to restore people to the pinnacle. i do want everybody to have health care. it is consistent with who i am. i talked about health care system but let me talk about the part for the indigent. how do we take care of the indigent now? we have medicaid, $500 billion a year. how many people participate? 1/4, which is way too many. and we can address that by how we get the economy rolling. 80 million into $400 billion goes 5,000 times. that is how much is allocated. what could you buy with that? most concierge practices cost $2,000 to $3,000 a year.
the concierge practice, and $5,000 left over for catastrophic insurance, much cheaper because there's something else we have done with that that i don't have time to explain. i am not saying we do that but we have enough money to do that and what is the result of that? when mr. jones has a diabetic foot ulcers he won't go to the emergency room the costs we 5 times more. he will go to the clinic where he gets the same treatment but instead of sending him out they will say let's get your diabetes under control. another level of savings which is not being recognized and we at teaching him personal responsibility branded and dependency. those of the things we should be doing, that will cost a lot less money and everybody will be of equal value. they will have to go to the emergency room and it will cost less money. that is the kind of thing we
should be doing and the kind of thing we can be doing when we take something silly.as medicine out of the political arena and start taking care of other people. [applause] >> i have received several questions about guns and your comments about the holocaust, if jews had been able to protect themselves much of it could have been prevented. i will let you clarify that and also the approach to these mass shootings, having more people aren't the kind of thing that can stop these mass shootings? >> the holocaust issue, that is just the left-wing press trying to stir up a controversy which i expect, that is what they do. basically what i said is when tyranny occurs traditionally around the world they tried to
disarm the people first and that is exactly what happened in germany. in the mid to late 30s, disarming the people, by the mid 40s that happened and it happened in a number of other countries as well. daniel webster said tyranny would never occur in america because the people are armed. there's a reason we have a second amendment and it doesn't mean i am not happy to look at ways to achieve these tragedies from occurring as long as they don't interfere with the second amendment, what was the other? by having the -- with the mass shootings one of the things many people noticed is they tend to go to places, gun free zones. even though they may be mentally disturbed to they are not so mentally disturbed as not to behave, realize that if you go someplace where people can shoot
you you will probably get shot. what i am saying is it is probably a good idea to make sure there are people in areas where we have vulnerable people who can oppose these people not with just words but who are trained, they can be retired police, military, teachers might have the ability to do that. i would feel much safer if my kid or a grandchild was in a school where i knew there were people who could protect him if somebody like that came in. what i'm talking about is common sense. some of the people out there, there is no such thing as common sense. [applause] >> we're almost out of time. ..