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different way, which sort of makes it irrelevant, now. last question, i am told. >> i may have misunderstood because i thought you said in one of the cases earlier in your talks that one of the supreme court's had his clerks look for a particular case. >> just. >> do they do that? >> yes. >> how often does that happen? >> not often. the reason why was they were getting ready and the majority of the court had decided that brady should be overruled and many state had already adopted laws providing lawyers. i think there were only a handful of states that still did not. but, while it was on the book the court get-- getting one appeal after another and they wanted to stop that, so they said let's get us case and overrule, but as i told the store the first two that came in
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they did not want to use. remember, the court controls its docket. ..
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>> so they don't have to decide the case. >> all right. thank you very much. [applause] >> the signing line will start here your [inaudible conversations]
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>> booktv is on facebook. like us to get publishing is, schedule updates, behind the scenes pictures and videos, author information and to talk directly with authors doing all my programs. facebook.com/booktv. >> north korean the factor yeonmi park is next on the tv. she describes her experience escaping into chinatown being sold into slavery and then finding freedom and south korea.
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tonight we're happy to welcome yeonmi park was her memoir "in order to live: a north korean girl's journey to freedom." she was born in north korea under the rule of kim jong-il and she spent much of her childhood hungry in fear of the governments controlling rule and with only a knowledge of what state-controlled media told her of the outside world. at 13 effeminate a daring escape into china but then she faced for the challenges from being sold to traffickers to having to across the gobi desert into mongolia before finding freedom and south korea. her new memoir which is called an elegant a wrenching on a sort of vaguely represents the plight of many north koreans details all the struggles in her new life, giving speeches to crowded auditoriums in cities around the world. connected that will put an author question and answer as to mention in didn't show the other to sign books. when the time comes please let up on the left hand side of the
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room. we have books available for purchase. thank you for coming fortunate event. now please welcome yeonmi park. [applause] >> tuesday. very short. thank you so much. i'm really honored to be your and i just cannot believe this. i am in the biggest independent bookstore in the u.s. and i've never seen this many books in my life. so, yeah, i don't know. it's very humbling to you know, lots of things if you have this attitude of books and you know lots of things, so i don't know what i can tell you something that you never knew before. i'm here to tell you today about
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the people. i'm not going to talk about politics and i'm not going to talk about how strong kim jong-il is a what kind of corruption has. i'm here to talk about the heart of north korea, people just like us who are trapped in that country for almost 70 years. i was remembering my life in north korea, and i remember it, i was not only not physically but i will now say emotionally. there's two different dictatorship in north korea. one physical dictatorship. that you are not allowed to wear earrings. you are not allowed to wear jeans and your not allowed to go to sea without permission and you're not allowed to watch movies. you're not allowed to listen to
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phones. you only have one channel on tv, tell you how great the regime is. the other dictatorship in north korea that exists, that is, emotional dictatorship. they control emotions in that country. they teach as they are gods. so the very first thing my mom told me was not to even whisper because they can do. and i believed. and i thought might leader can read my thoughts. he could read my mind and it would punish me if i think of them badly. so from the very, very beginning i was not allowed to think for myself. i didn't even know what independent thinking or critical thinking was. that was something we never know that we never allowed to know. of course, i never dreamed of is
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going to be in displays, i can millions of books here, and in front of you. because it's very different. when i was in north korea i never knew how many countries exist in the world. i never knew what satellite was. of course, i never knew what internet was. and i only played what the school teacher told me that they never taught me about canada or australia but they told me our enemies. and my enemies were very clear and very simple. one american ambassador and one another japanese entry list, and south korea called un-american bastards, so we have to freedom. and they are time to take us every moment so we need are due later to defend us. because un-american bastards,
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they have big nose and they have -- they are monsters. i never knew how diverse america was. i really thought all big nose people walking around, but so many diversity in this country. i cannot believe that. and i learned math at school and the meth problem was like this. darfur american bastards and you kill two of them. how many american bastards are left to kill? was my question, and you can see me, i'm here today in front of my enemies. so you never know, it's like, you really never know. and the application poverty, starvation, operation, it's all part of north korea's life. we don't know things can be different. we are taught this is how life
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has been. this is how life is supposed to be. you cannot think of different possibility. life can be different because we are not allowed to watch her go to movies, for information. and also your not allowed to read books like year. you're not allowed to watch batman or the philosophers. i didn't know what philosophy was or evolution. all i knew was how i regime treated the whole humanity during the second war. hotplate he brought the world peace. that was my worldview, and they tell me there's nothing to envy in these words. we are the best country on earth and everybody wants to be like us and they want to come to our country. and i would sing the songs, but
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our life was not that good. it was not really paradise. it was living here. i remember because i was born in 1993, and after soviet union collapsed there was stop providing food to north korea and that's how they stopped the russian system and only give food to the elite people. people were discriminated by the regime. that's how during the 1995-1998 some people say 3 million people die, and total population was 22 million, 24 million you can imagine how many people died during that time. many people lost their family members, including mine. one day i was very young and i saw my grandma was taking thoughts of medicine, and i was
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asking her, trauma, why are you taking so many medicine? she was telling me i want some rest. and she was 59 american age, they're young. after a few hours later i hear my uncle was screaming and asking my grandma to wake up, and that's how she ended her life before the famine gets her. that was something, no more for us. that was something that like, it was odd and nobody told me what compassion was. there's no word for freedom in north korea. there's no word for human rights and there is no word for love. only love you can express in the country is the love for the regime. i could never imagine i could tell my mom i love you.
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everybody had two flat and promise that they were willing to die for the regime. dvds came from china to north korea and had some access to media. the regime killing people with gunfire for watching dvds and getting access to dvds. likely i didn't get caught i watched a foreign dvd. i watched 007, the action movie, and i thought okay, americans shooting each other all the time. and they climbed atop buildings but i don't have a good but i cannot live there. and later i saw pro-wrestling and i thought it all out american men looked like your i
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was so disappointed. [laughter] and i saw the movie titanic. i know it is a great movie but to me, i couldn't processed even iced saw that movie. i was shocked, how somebody there to make a movie? if you love story. i could not imagine somebody can make the movie about the love story. and in north korea there's no room you and juliet. i never knew what shakespeare was. i never knew a teen center, 15 center, 19th century old books. whole history is forgotten for north korean people. we are not allowed to know where we are coming from. we just know that you're the people of -- that's out to me was shocking. in a movie there's no propaganda and i could feel some cases of freedom and humanity. i was very hungry and i couldn't
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processed anything after that because i didn't internet to check what that was. my life has been unbearable because my father was a member but he got arrested for his later business trading with china, and he was sent to prison. but here i have to mention, he was born in this country. because he was born in north korea, he was illegal, he got tortured and allow states dignity. but when he was in prison, it's not the love we can think of. the presence of some cannot look at the card i is because they are not human beings. these people are not human beings. it's when they are in prison. we hear that a lot, political
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camps and we had a lot of labor camps in north korea. they treat people less than animals. they treat the normal people outside less animals and why do they care about these prisoners? and that's how my father, my mother got interrogated. i went to wash clothes and take baths and go to mountain, eat grasshoppers, dragonflies, plants, anything i can get from the nature. that's what i said i bet if i -- but what can i do? that's how bad malnutrition is. i was so surprised when they came to the west, often
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described spring as a season of life. spring and the light comes back. things grow again but in north korea spring is not that. nobody takes spring as life because people suffer during the winter and they cannot wait until summer to plan and many people died during the spring and that's why i have three bad memory of spring. it's so different how we can lead this life. and only what i could leave was go to china. i did not what was happening but i knew if i go to china i'm not going to die from starvation. at the age of 13, and my sister was 15, she left to china with her friend. she left me a note that she said if the code to find this lady, they can help you to go to china. and that's how the morning after
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seven days later i could barely walk. we found the lady and she told we can't go to china that they. i didn't question why this lady was going to help us, why this lady didn't ask for money. we were so desperate, and that's have we crossed the frozen river in 2007. but i thought if i go to china, i didn't know about freedom, i escaped. once in china i saw my mother raped in front of my eyes, and i was 13 years old and they told me that if i want to be in china we have to be sold. and my mom asked me what you want to do? and i thought i'm 13, and they were not human beings.
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i was merchandise at that moment. they were negotiating price at this is that somebody, i was fortunate, this is typical story what factors are quicker and china. everyone being victimized by human trafficking. so my mom was being sold for $65 i was sold for $260. and it reminds me, you can buy an iphone for that money in this country, that somebody's life. that's the people paying price for two people. those people did nothing wrong. it which is going to this country. it's nightmare, rape, enslavement. the man who bought me let me go and then i met christian missionaries and they told me that for the first time you can
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be free if you go to south korea. and asked, i didn't know what it meant to be free. what do you think i can be free? and that person heard me, you can wear jeans and you can watch movies, and freedom to me, that was freedom. not the freedom of speech, not the freedom of elections. just freedom was very simple to me. and that's how we risked our lives and want across the gobi desert in 2000. we had a little compass with his and we crossed correlator we fathered northern stars to freedom. and that's how i became free. it was my house, a thousand miles of journey to be free. i had to cross another desert that i had to start thinking for myself, and i had to learn about this world. i was a time traveler or i never
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knew how the airplane flies. i thought they might have wings over, i did not how they were flying, and i didn't know what lights was. i remember when i saw on tv when i was in south korea i could not believe it or type of animal rights. i didn't even know i had rights. in this country animals have rights. how different this world is. and not only that i had learned about atm machines. i learned about toilet, how to use toilet and what copy machine, what a movie theater is, what a supermarket line, everything. just learned, i was a big baby who could walk but didn't know anything. and that was very painful but
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for the first and people start asking me, what do you think? i never had the privilege to choose what i was going to wear a watch us go to study, but people ask me what do you do in the future? i didn't know what i want to do, and i was asking, i was hoping someone can tell me what i should do for my life. and then, but not only then, i just lost faith in humanity. i just couldn't trust anybody taken. how i trust again what you're telling me is true. i just couldn't do it. it's not american bastards -- that cannot be true. the one book changed me, and that was the animal farm. and timmy was i just picked a book on the bookshelf.
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i did know. i thought this book was going to be about animals, and i picked a very thin book because i didn't want to read a thick book. i just couldn't believe it because my grandma was in that book. my mother was in that book, and myself in that book. that showed me the path of north korea and showed me the president of north korea come at a realized most korean people don't deserve that. what they're going to do is injustice. if we say we believe in justice how can we let that happen? it's almost a holocaust. how people get arrested for watching a movie? why are people not allowed to write a book? they are just like us. they have a whole potential to
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be like south korea. is to me tragic. warn people after they had a different political system, what the south most develop country, north korea is the most darkest place on earth. we need to stop this. antennae, like the rest say, i often get to that. is it really that bad? they cannot be true. how come that is a bad? it is really that bad but you're not allowed to go to country and see people. that's what i am telling my story. that's why i wrote this book. i hope we can learn something and you can do something about this tragedy. we have lots of things. i said if i had the things that you throw away in this country, i never escape and i never be blamed. my father, he passed away in the words of freedom and debate in
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china in the middle of the night. i couldn't even cry because i was scared if somebody give me. i hope you can spread the word and we want the world to know that north korea people can pretty free like this. thank you so much time, come listen to my talk. thank you. [applause] >> should i do q&a no? does anybody have questions? >> i am very fond of going on youtube at looking at a north korean videos that are
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posted, and would always see the north korean people cheering madly and crying, weeping when they see their grand leader at all like the. how much of that you think is real and how much is just because they know they better do that? >> it's a good question. and actually i wonder the same thing. whenever the north korean, everybody is watching each other and she cannot trust each other. we don't know who despise. i can be spider and my mother was sold and i was assigned to be a spy, like i spy on you, someone spy on you, so much by a nurse we cannot escape the process. somebody is watching you may have to report you. but it does and doesn't watch, does report become that person will be punished again. everybody is watching each other. they can be spotted and they can be spotted an asset they keep this country going, for the fear. that's what it was like the
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truman show. nobody is telling me the truth. i didn't tell the truth either. i told nobody really. so i don't know. if people just have to clap to survive. if they don't cry, they don't clap, they will get killed that's their fate. even if it's real or not, it's not right that people don't clap they will get killed. economic or and that's what matters. the question is, is that true or not? these people have to do to survive. so yeah, crazy. thank you. >> about three years ago there was another author who cowrote a
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book with a guy by the name of chen. have you met in? >> he is my friend. >> good. >> yeah. any question about that? >> i just wondered if you had a chance to contact him yet or knew him, but you do. >> yeah. like he does. he just married and he was -- she was american bastards. she is an american lady. yet, like he's living in freedom and lots of difficult as activist and spokesperson, but i think he's doing really well after that. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> what were the circumstances when, for the first time you actually felt free?
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>> thank you. i still don't know honestly what it means to be fully free. i think i am learning everyday. freedom means lots of things. i think freedom is everything for me. once i found freedom i became a new human being. i can talk and i can think for myself. i think when i was a bullet to read a book, i read all the books. i had to catch lots of stuff. i just had to read to survive again in south korea, let's i'm not going to get to talk to you guys because i would be like alien. i would ask you what is march, you know? wants satellite? i think that freedom.
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to me like when i fly to portland, it's freedom. how imagine as good to take airplane, i didn't even know what passport was what i was in north korea. i just did know traveling freely was allowed for human beings to do. so everything that we do, and even have this voice. thank you. >> i have a question about your english, which is quite good. where did you learn it and have you been practicing? and also another question about what's the story with your sister? >> so my sister, she came to us after long seven years ago, and we met in freedom again. after that we survived and we
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carried, never gave up, and that's how we are current. so she is in freedom now and she is safe. and for english, it's kind of not that, i watch american tv show friends last night i know, it's like when she have 24 episodes, 240 episodes. and if you repeat that for like 30 times you have english for sure. very, very sure. so i know lots of like a disease, '90s slang and people like him to look at me like what's wrong with you? but yeah, that's how i used the information from the tv shows but that show not only teach me english. itami the culture that we eat turkeys for the thanksgiving.
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new year's eve, those kinds of things. i really liked it. right down here. >> i've read that a lot of north korean defectors once they get to south korea, they felt tremendous hostility towards them, meaning they were not welcomed. did you have the same experience about the south koreans toward you? >> yeah. it's kind of another tragedy. you think, okay, you've escaped north korea and u.s. gave china, and south korea and everything would be all right. but no. this world is really hard for us, i should say that. i don't know. it's very dilemma for me why south koreans have so much
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things that have lots of, other countries, it's not like they don't have compassion. they have compassion, generosity and kindness. but they have very ignorant attitude towards north korea and human rights issue. i think because of the korean war, but often but once i got to south korea, they might joke about it but that's kind of thinking, what are your? are you a spot i? -- spy? there's increase competition and there's other like less educated people so we might be terrorist and we might be, we have like more higher crime rates. and those kind of stereotypes and you don't understand the free market.
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duties have the mentality, you don't work hard, you don't know anything. and jeff different accent. so that's the kind of general stereotype against us. so we also had to fight against that again. the mic case, i don't know but i was from north korea. my university, to my professor i said i am from south korea and that's the way i can survive again. things are changing and that everybody is treated that way, but actually many people still have those kind of attitudes, but i hope we will change soon. thank you so much for your question. >> has the regime tried to discredit you and your story? >> yeah. i am a human scum, according to them. i am a poisonous mushroom that
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grew up in garbage something. they really can't say something very clearly. but not only that, i have told my story before, and last october was my first time telling my story in dublin big enough that allowed to share my rate. i was in 13 year old girl when i lived up to that. in south korea, purity, virginity is everything for a girl. i thought if i tell people what i went through they will not see me as a normal person. and i want to be somebody's mother, too, someday and i thought i have to survive this. but once i started writing i realized i have to tell the whole story.
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i have to tell the whole story and that's how i wrote everything down in the book. they came after me. you can see my relatives, all my neighbors are denouncing me that i'm propaganda of the west. so obviously kim jong-un doesn't like me. isn't everything to try to discredit me and start their campaigns against me. so it's a fight. it is a fight and he is nasty but he is still trying to control me at this point. >> i just had a question. so you said you did know how many come in north korea how many other countries. what were north korean maps like?
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>> good question. when you are talking about poverty, i think there's a different level of poverty. and when i say a poor we are, it's not the way how i can describe. icon for example, we have one pencil and you don't use it because it's very, very valuable for us. it's very hard to have one pencil. you rewrite, the race, we write and erase it again. that's what real poverty means. you'll never imagine that textbook can be colored. one textbook, one class has put and it's like really, really old and everybody, their mothers are copping it for the textbook and that's outrageous. so there's no way i can, i did know there was a desert so that was the first but when i saw
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desert. wow, it's all said and. it's part of the desert and that's how things got here. we do have colored photos. i think pyongyang is different. but the country where we live, poor people are living, that our community. >> forgive this question can you feel safe? do you feel safe when you're traveling in the united states or overseas? >> i guess. i'm 22 years old, and after that i feel like i lived a thousand years, literally. i feel so many things, what humans can inflict to each other. and i saw a starvation and kindness.
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i live in a lot of different countries. i was a slave. i am a free personnel. so feels like my life now is kind of almost after life. i think winterson somebody who's faced death several times. if you like extra life and, unfortunately, that's my case. like most regimes, they were trying to get information from north korea and it scares me. i'm like working with them. [inaudible] but that, i guess, you know. we have to pay price for that. so thank you. >> can you speak a little bit of
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how you got involved with the nonprofit liberty in north korea speak with actually not working with them but i was hoping with project. there was environment there. so i actually not really engaged but i was really supporting their work. so i was trying to do the campaign online to rescue people, yeah. that's how i met like liberty north korea. thank you. >> i was wondering do you ever miss anything? and what is love or dating life in north korea? >> dating? >> do miss anything about north korea and what isn't like if you love someone or if you're dating someone in north korea speak with you have, i hope this can
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be a fun part. i really hope because i feel bad, so imagine you don't have all these lights and you don't have this big giant building. and you don't have the music. you don't have any technology sound. you only hear the sounds a human can make because they are washing dishes and cooking and they're talking to each other, and that's how it's in north korea. it's almost like time has stopped, and it's not easy moving but you can have very close human connection that you had to talk to each other. we don't have any toys. that children have to cling onto your parents. parents have to look out for
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them. that's the really, i mean, north korea, human intimacy. and i think dating life was, my mother got married to my father, and both parents decided to let them get married and they didn't even hold hands before they get married. and asked my mom, why did you get married? she told me i just didn't hate him. so it's a kind of like stifled love. i love you, like romance. i never knew what romance was. we have nowhere to go on dates. we had coffee shops, movie movie theaters, someplace to go. i recently read an article and it broke my heart on a guy who escaped, history is take his
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wife -- that's his dream. i drove. i drive today like several times and i can be somebody's dream. that's what he's looking for. he is working really hard in south and tried to make money and bring his wife to the south, and he wants to take his wife to a drive. that's our dream. and i think, north korea, we don't have the luxury to think about romance. we don't have romantic novels. you just have nothing. but i guess some people fall in love, but we don't know. we can say i love you. we can say, like mr. conrad, look. go somewhere. everybody as comrade and everybody is revolutionary. and that's more like our romance i think.

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