tv Hearing on U.S.- Pakistan Relations CSPAN December 21, 2015 8:29am-8:40am EST
>> today the potomac institute for policy studies hosts a discussion on the escalating violence in jerusalem and what's needed to create stability in the middle east. scholars and experts from the region will be part of the conversation. that's live at noon eastern on c-span. >> special representative for afghanistan and pakistan richard olson testified to the house foreign affairs committee. he said pakistan's becoming a more constructive partner in the region but more needs to be done to target terrorist groups operating there. other topics included pakistan's nuclear arsenal and u.s. foreign sanction to pakistan. this is two hours. [inaudible conversations] >> this hearing will come to order, and there is a vote in
progress, so my intention here is to begin the hearing, and then we will, we will suspend for the duration of the votes and allow the other members of the committee to come forward. but in this fashion myself and congressman poe can make our opening statements, and maybe some of the other members will be able to as well. so this hearing is on the future of u.s./pakistan relations. the committee has repeatedly urged pakistan to take meaningful action against key islamist terrorist groups operating within its territory. unfortunately, pakistan -- which is now home to the world's fastest growing nuclear weapons program -- has remained a fount of radical islamist thought. it was so surprise that one of the san bernardino attackers, tashfeen malik, studied at a pakistani school spreading a particularly fundamentalist
message. looking back, the 9/11 terrorist attacks transformed u.s./pakistan relations overnight. after more than a decade under sanctions for its nuclear proliferation, pakistan was to be a key ally in combating islamist militancy, becoming a leading recipient of u.s. aid in the nearly 15 years since. but while the u.s. was quick to embrace pakistan, pakistan has hardly reciprocated. pakistani governments have come and gone, but its northwestern frontier has remained a terrorist haven with its security services supporting what it considers to be good islamist terrorist groups. these good groups under pakistan's calculus destabilize afghanistan and threaten neighboring india while the government simultaneously opposes what it considers the bad islamist groups. today schools create an infrastructure of hate.
600 madrassas, funded with gulf state money, teach intolerant, hate-filled rhetoric that inspires the foot soldiers of jihadist terrorism. i've made three trips to islamabad to press this issue. pakistan must do the work to register schools and close those creating new generations of radicals. and those are the schools that are being funded with gulf state money. they need to be closed. meanwhile, pakistan's nuclear arsenal is on a track to be the third largest. it's addition of small tactical nuclear weapons in recent years is even more troubling. this is a country which spends a fifth of its budget on the military from long-range missiles to f-16s, but under 2.5% on education. through all of the double dealing, u.s. policy has essentially stood still.
security assistance, cash and arms has continued to flow under the occasional temporary delays. indeed, despite some department of defense assistance for pakistan being held because of inadequate efforts existence the haqqani network, the state department is currently seeking more arms for islamabad. pakistan itself has been devastated by terrorism with thousands, over 2,000, of its soldiers killed, thousands and thousands of its citizens killed in terrorist attacks. today we recognize the year anniversary of a horrific attack on a school that killed over a hundred children. we want a strong partnership with the country, but a new policy is long overdue. one option, as ranking member engel and i proposed earlier this year, would be to target those officials who maintain relationships with designated
terrorist groups with travel and financial sections. this would make it clear the u.s. and pakistan cannot have a true strategic partnership until pakistan's security services cuts ties with terrorist organizations. recently, senior u.s. officials including national security adviser susan rice and deputy secretary of state tony blinken have traveled to islamabad reportedly to press on the pakistani government. we look forward to hearing from our witnesses today whether there is reason for hope or if our policy is stuck in the same rut. and i now will turn to mr. ted poe of texas and then mr. dana rohrabacher of california for their opening statements. mr. poe. >> thank you, mr. chairman. my concern specifically is with our relationship with pakistan.
the united states has given pakistan $30 billion since 9/11. i think pakistan is a benedict arnold ally to the united states. even going back to may 2, 2011, when there was the raid on, in pakistan on osama bin laden, we didn't tell pakistanis we were coming because, frankly, they would snitch us off, and osama bin laden would have left. and the near confrontation that took place between the u.s. and pakistan after the raid, pakistan scrambled two u.s.-made f-16s and were headed to the area where the raid took place, and a possible confrontation with two u.s.-made jets against american helicopters at the raid
didn't happen, but it could have happened. pilots that presumably were trained the year before, in 2010, in tucson, ooz. and i think we need -- arizona. and i think we need to be very concerned about providing armaments for pakistan who seems to play all the sides. and i'll yield back, mr. chairman. >> okay. and i now yield time to mr. dana rohrabacher of california. >> thank you very much. when i was elected 28 years ago, i think most people considered me pakistan's best friend on the house of representatives. and let me just say that i, over the years i've been deeply disappointed that those people who i considered to be my friends were betraying the trust of the united states and were committing acts that were only the acts that an enemy would
commit even though we continued to have a facade of friendship. we've given $30 billion, $30 billion since 9/11 to pakistan, yet we realize that since 9/11, yet we still see -- and there's all ample evidence that pakistan is still deeply involved with various terrorist networks including supporting the taliban in afghanistan and radicals who kill americans. we've been, frankly, our relationship with pakistan has been a disgrace. we have a government that gave safe haven to osama bin laden, the murder of 3,000 americans, 3,000 americans slaughtered in front of us. i don't think anybody believes that the high-level people in the pakistan government didn't know about that. they continue to hold a doctor
just to rub it in our face that, the type of relationship they have with us. and to their own people, they're slaughtering people in baluchistan and others who are being brutally oppressed by a clique in their government. so it's not all pakistan, but the clique that runs that country is treating us like suckers. they should, because we are. we're acting foolish, giving people money who have continually involved themselves in activity that's harmful to the united states of america is not going to win their friendship. so, mr. chairman, i hope that we face facts, and if the pakistani government wants to be our friend, they can be our friend. but they have not been, and they
need to change that if we are to continue to have, on the relationship that we've had. i would like to at this point submit for the record a number of articles showing that, again, pakistan continues to support various terrorist operations as well as their relationship with china at the expense of their own people, and i'll submit that for the record at this point. >> without objection. >> and thank you very much, mr. chairman. >> thank you very much, mr. roar baqubaher. we have four votes on the floor. we will recess the rearing and return for questions after those four votes, and we appreciate the patience of our witness and those in attendance, and more now we stand in recess.