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there's a protocol when a player is diagnosed with a concussion. he goes through a series of tests to determine whether his levels are back to a place he's essentially able to perform again. there's caught a baseline testing whether test the players at the beginning of the year and he is the baseline to determine whether they're qualified to go back into play. players have talked about cheating the test. they will start a season and basically tanks attached in some cases to get a lower score so when they come back and do the baseline may pass. they want to play in the short life span to play. >> it is interesting there is now a technology where hamas sensors can be implanted in the players helmets to detect the number of hits occurring in the amount of g4's been generated. these sensors have been used by some colleges like north carolina for a decade now and they've accumulated enormous amount of data and there is a
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guy is a narrow scientist at umc who also is an advisor to the nfl getting the sensors used in professional football for a period of years now and just a couple weeks ago the nfl announced again that they are not going to use them. the reality is that they did use them they would lead up a lot of information about the amount of force and generated on the field and how many times people are hit in the head. sort of a no-brainer. the league doesn't seem to want it and the players don't want it because they don't want the information to be used in contract negotiations. so where does that leave you if you want to get to the bottom. >> they took a college game two seasons ago and there's a presence of protein, a marker in
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the blood. and they found in a game with no concussions, no diagnose concussions, 70% of the players hit the marker, which is a precursor to long-term injury. it is a protein that gets on the brain. >> my name is roy foster and your just moved here from texas. i was an athletic trainer in the state of texas. i worked at two different high schools in this day. my question is about some contestants. i don't see that much publication about some concussive injuries and to me that's a real problem. i was talking to the coach in different ways we could go about taking the head and learning to tackle. i've been educated at the
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headset. i've done the impact testing. i know how to do those tests and how to read the results. but how do kids and parents interact and how come there is not more coming from "the wall street journal," coming from the post, coming from the times of concussive injuries. >> one ratio is i think there is still come even within the scientific community there is a lot of debate over what these actually mean. i think there is a really -- mark and i agree on this that there is a larger question here, which is that the sub concussive is really the issue, you really can't eliminate the problem without eliminating the sport.
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>> we're not advocating. >> we are not advocating, but it gets to this question of prevalence of dead, which is the real issue. what is the sort of dosage that you need, how many sub concussive hits do you need and if it turns out the huge numbers of people are getting mess, then we are going to be facing a real question. in answer to your question, part of it is bad sub concussive issue is an issue being pushed i think, especially by boston university for the most number of cases have been diagnosed. i think there are real questions about sort of what role do they play exactly. is that where the presence of tile, the abnormal protein is starting in spreading or is it
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something different. >> just one quick point. from the developers active, they are loving the fact this is not a conversation right now. frankly because it is the sport the sort of repeated collisions. if you notice another piece of the marketing, the league can only handle this in so many ways about the wall is the problem. the answer is we are going to legislate how was a huge hard acc for a defensive back flames into a wide receiver because that is what it looks like to be the problem. when you look at the data, for example, i don't know what the current numbers are, but when we were working on the book at the time, the boston university folk stayed out, the preponderance of cte cases were blinded, often said linemen and defensive lineman playing the core of the
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sport. that is there in being talked about, that the nfl answer is to focus around the big celebratory heads as a means of saying we are going to attack this. >> first of all, -- >> do we take questions from alabama? >> thank you, gentlemen. my question is mostly for professor daniels. do you think part of that denial is the fact that 75% of the week is african-american? >> that's a very good question. i think from the standpoint of someone who's played and is african-american, players pursuing this, not all but some, probably a high percentage are seeking opportunities to create opportunities for social opportunity. the opportunity to better oneself to one's physical attributes and take advantage of
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the money available and also help your family community is a narrative we all here. get some of these contracts and they're willing to sacrifice a lot for their families. that is one factor in there. i also know because it is big business, it is this idea that she had tv contracts. you have endorsement deals and everything attached to this team we played that is a business that the denial has to be if you admit to it, all of these contracts, all of these connections will unravel. when you have the livelihoods of individuals but also billionaires who are running these businesses, no one wants to lose. that denial is on the number of levels, too. players want to take advantage of what they feel is their opportunity. they want to take advantage of their god-given gifts and
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abilities. and in some families, some communities they are looked upon and they are making way for their families. i take into account in the 1970s and 1980s you have these articles and journals that do it the golden ghettos as ways to extract student not that of urban environments for basketball and so i ain't that is part of what we see right now that you have these young men. was the comment a few years ago about the notre dame football game. they weren't winning a lot of old games and one of the alumni said we don't have the right athletes here. we need to get those that are not student athletes. we the football players. we need to lower the gpa to get the best athletes in here. at the end of the day is how you fill those avms and continue to sign this contract. >> thank you all for being here.
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thank you to a distinguished panel. [applause] thank you for setting the session. don't forget to become a friend of the tucson festival of books so we can make sure the festival remains free and supports import undersea programs in our community. if you would gather your things and about as quickly as possible. don't forget the gentleman on the outside. thanks again for coming. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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>> good evening, everyone. that's good. that's good. i want to thank you all for joining us this evening. i am the president of george washington's mount vernon. it is my pleasure to welcome you all here for this installment of the lecture. we are honored to have laura fraser with us this evening. she's going to discuss her book, the washington surgeon martha -- "the washingtons: george and martha, 'join'd by friendship, crown'd by love." the father and mother of our country and of the struggle for independence that you lead. already the book has been hailed as a major work on american history and an important contribution to understanding the joys, complexities and intricacies of the union of our greatest founding father to the nation's very first first lady.
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2016, actually the 10th year of the hard lectures series of established -- [applause] established in 2006 the 18th region of the mount vernon ladies association. gaia and her husband's family are with this evening. many of you know them well but i would like to ask you to stand and be recognized. [applause] they told me when i took a job that when you became a mary kay and you from somebody. but i will say he is still calling me with great ideas than i can still barely keep up with her. i'm grateful for all you've done. the lecture series was funded. lou deserves double accolade this evening because he's the
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one who tipped me to laura fraser's compelling book of scholarship on george and martha washington. [applause] blue was also a great guardian of american history having cofounded the institute for american history, lou and his lovely wife are here and everyone should know that calmed down from gettysburg pennsylvania to do this. we are glad she here. [applause] it is also a really good pleasure to introduce stephen bramwell. stephen was the winner of the 2013 george washington outcries for his work george washington gentleman warrior. we acknowledge also the partners along with college in establishing which one it was
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really the first thank you for being here. tonight, another milestone in the renewed efforts to educate the world about martha washington and the critical role played as part or to george washington. earlier this year we expanded partnership at the university of virginia to undertake a comprehensive edition of martha washington's papers and letterpress in digital format. in march of next year we welcome susan swain and richard norton smith to discuss their new book on first lady says heart of the martha washington lecture series. we continue to add content about martha washington to the website in the knowledge that charmed, grace and wisdom of our own special martha washington who delayed and educates visitors.
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it's impossible as we learned tonight to bullet no george washington understand and an mount vernon without knowing the story of martha washington. in 1816, john adams posed the question. would washington have ever been commander of the revolutionary army if he had not married to rich widow of mr. custis. as you know, ever jealous of the deep affection shown by the american people in both life and death come me frequently cited washington's stature. his rugged good looks and is like a marriage as evidence that his father took him to where he got two. so in her book, laura fraser on its year makes a cogent argument that in fact washington's marriage to martha completed him. her conclusion is, and i quote, that the confidence he had earlier lack, to gather the
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couple, loathe her dish subjects became disaffected with rule from london and remarkable consequences for their union as much as for the future of the united states. laura fraser faced a daunting task in developing intricacies of the marriage between george and martha without the benefit of all the correspondence between the two of them and yet she succeeds admirably. our speaker grew up in london and scotland at oxford university before becoming a professional writer. the daughter of best-selling biographer antonia fraser and the prayer right painter is also princess says, beloved, the life of the lady hamilton and finally, the venus of empire. during her teens and 20s commend this ratio could give research including both are green other and her mother were both historical biographers. 2002, were cofounded the
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historical biography which she chairs as well as. laura served as a trustee of the one-day national chore. -- since 2011 she has been a member of the development council at oxford. she is also a patron or for open-air on a company that showcases drama at the scoop. i had to look on the web. the scoop is an outdoor amphitheater. she currently resides in london and we are especially grateful to travel this far to be with us. join me in welcoming flora fraser. [applause] >> thank you, kurt.
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kurt, gag, lou, ladies and gentlemen, it is a privilege and a pleasure to be speaking here this evening at mount vernon. i have had the most glorious day walking around the mansion and grounds and i put on the background to this talk, just as an inch, which most of you will know the watercolor paper urge. i was sitting on the pr to on a rocking chair this morning and i was looking at the beautiful view cast on pristine maryland office said thanks to the amount per name organization.
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to my left i looked in daring deed was a field of horses. so this is just a small tribute to the work of mount vernon in preserving and reinterpreting george and martha's home in ever new and surprising ways. i saw the story of george and martha's marriage so vital to his success as a commander and president. i would happily narrate all 40 years of it, but we don't have time for that and i would like to say sometime at the end of my remarks for any questions you would like to ask me about anything you like.
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where did i get this nice coat. [laughter] well, as kurt said, martha didn't only earn wealth. she was a rich widow and she brought i think confidence to george. he was nervous, easily catch down and he responded to her natural robe of smith and his spirits were sure to read from the beginning of their marriage. over 15 years of marriage of mount vernon before the war, they forged bonds of devotion.
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martha journeyed to george headquarters every winter of the war of valley forge and league headquarters in new york and new jersey. she was there for him and he for her. in the president be, again they forged those roles of president and presidential partner together. this above all, my book, their marriage and the story of the washington's, wherever they are not burdened in the war, and the different presidential homes, it
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is the story about human connection. it is a shifting union. they start by being colonial conservatives. they become radicalized, swept to the helm of the rebellion and then take charge in government. i couldn't talk about any one of those. in my book i do decide these into three books. book one, book two in books three. i like that the old-fashioned way of dividing the book. i want to talk tonight about the
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third chapter of their lives. the period they spent as president and presidential styles, but remembering all the time this is what he wanted to get back to him when there was a congressional reset the came home with joy and went back to the life of duty with if not regret, they wish to come back home again. washington had looked forward to a life of retirement at mount earning them the revolutionary war ended in 1783. he was just over 50, martha eight months older than him.
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i mean, he was 51 and martha was 52 to be exact. but hopes have acquired all day eroded during the five years after the war while the constitution was being framed. word came in march 1789 the washington's election as president of the united states. he wrote to general henry knox, soon to be secretary of war, my movements to the sheriff government will be accompanied with feeling not unlike those of a court or it is going to the place of his execution. george lucas with "glee," -- moved swiftly. his destination was a house in new york located close to today's brooklyn bridge.
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it was rented by congress for a year to serve as the first presidential resident. here at mount vernon, martha was far from pleased of her husband's elevation and she wrote, when or whether he will ever come home again, god only knows. i think it was much too late for him to go into public life again, but it was not to be avoided. she added, our family will be deranged as i am assumed to follow him. in new york, the household was pretty much in need of martha. you can imagine washington and the secretary were very efficient. they were both missing martha is
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capable and careful president and wrote a chatty letter to george acosta, washington's nephew who's living here instead we've engaged the top and keep her as stuart and superintendent of the kitchen. in the dining room, lobsters make a very conspicuous table and never go untouched. tell madam washington this and hope this report would have some effect as she is remarkably fond of these fish. and you hope he would come houston to the city. he said we are extremely desirous of seeing her here. washington meanwhile was
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canvassing political colleagues, soon to farmer official cabinet. he wanted their opinion on what is called the etiquette proper to be observed by the president. alexander hamilton, soon to be secretary of the treasury was firm on may the fifth. the president to accept no implementations and give formal entertainment only twice or four times a year on the anniversary of import even the revolution. washington having digested hamiltons answers as john madden's new vice president if his appearance rarely at tea parties might be permissible. perhaps george contemplated sociable masses reaction to the
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confined life sketched out. adams had no taste himself and replied as president he should have no with society but upon public business or added levels. the term had to say the least unfortunate connotations. it derives of course and did no-space formal reception following the king rising from his bed. allusions weather in colonial days are revolutionary america had always been satirical and now the levey had come to new york. the new republic was in so many ways a matter of weeks. then. argument raged in congress about the correct forms addressed by
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the president. john adams considered a royal prince they titled necessary to uphold the president's authority. his highness and excellency was suggestions. the anti-federalist senator, william mcclay on the other hand accord our house seems determined to run into all the food ariz -- binaries and attic at and all of this for mr. adams. ultimately, congress decreed, 1789 that washington should bear the unadorned president and mrs. washington often known as lady washington became very firmly mrs. washington.
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source the end of may, martha sat out for new york. she took with her two grandchildren. nelly age 10 and wash with george washington custis h. h. as you all know far better than i, the children of her son, jackie who had died of cancer fever or typhus shortly after vick. yorktown and the washington ever since the dad had given a home to these two were the youngest of his four children. lewis, one of the president recorded marriages departure --
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martha's departure. the servants of the house in a number of the field made their appearance to take leave of their mistress. numbers of these poor wretches seemed greatly agitated, much affected, making it equally so. when the party stopped at abington, the plantation with the other granddaughters lived, the commotion was still greater. the family in tears the children are hauling. the new president came over to the "jersey shore" to meet his wife and conduct her party to their new homes in manhattan. the washington's had always prized the hours they spend alone together. now they took breakfast in private with nelly and wash them
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with only one servant not in attendance. and dinner at 4:00, lunch not be in the mail taken. washington worked with the secretaries or was in conference with cabinet colleagues. they oversaw the writing of the household and often went shopping. additionally, she kept up a detailed correspondence with her knees standing back that washington,. george augustine was in charge of the plane tatian and finney in charge of the house. martha described her new life in mid-june. since she arrived in new york, she wrote, i have not had one half hour to myself. her hair was set in dressed
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every day and she were white muslin summer dresses. she told her knees, you work i fear think me a good deal in the fashion if you could see me. nellie custis was loving the city her grandmother reported. she's a little wild creature and spends her time at the window, looking and carriages, it better at passing by, which is news to her. that's what we think of the carriages coming up to mount vernon, not this constant traffic in the metropolis of new york. martha noted that her granddaughter was to begin his the following week and entrance money was paid to compose alexander to teach nelly the pmo. she became a fine performer. this is grade for young ladies,
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nelly was also a conscientious student. 8-year-old walsh had charm in high spirits, but no powers of application. the president's ambition to make of him a scholar were doomed with the sons of alexander hamilton and henry knox, washington did patrick murdoch school on greenwich street but without infusing. he much preferred life at home when he was thoroughly spoiled by his grandmother and all the servants. for the washington's, the low rise and the congress dinner shaped the week. the tuesday love a gentleman 3:00 to 4:00 in the afternoon. washington the host was a majestic figure at these assemblies.
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his great height and power for the marked him out and there's happy silence was unnerving. he appeared still more regal when he adopted black velvet following his mother's death in august 1789 in the lansdowne portrait is of washington in the black velvet coat against the costly gold and crimson background. he's as splendid as any monarch but he is the president. regardless of what the anti-federalist through to him. washington undressed her every day dressed with a visiting godsend described as pepper and salt clothes, sort of cloth to
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eat. martha hosted by friday reception known as the drawing room. the husbands brought their wives and daughters to mrs. washington before circulating and enjoyed lemonade and ice cream. the president nor did he carry a hat which signified he was against his wife gathering. that's katie gruden, widow of missing a green described the aura that surrounded washington. no person presents to sit in his presence and he is treated in most respects as if he had a crowd. there was some public mockery of martha's queenly drawing rooms, queen charlotte hosted such weekly entertainment in london. that they never attract such
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publicly as within time the tuesday love they. abigail adams wrote after this august that there is not the least picture pride about the president's wife and a further visit compounded mrs. adams respect. a most becoming pleasantness it upon and under such a department. i found myself much more deeply of press than i ever did before their majesty's as john adams had earlier been a minister at the court of james. abigail praised the white-haired. the beautiful white teeth had planned the costly clothes. martha was careful to present herself plain and benign. in private she spoke her mind whether condemning jefferson
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ill-treatment of her has been or waiting in with advice to family members. when fannie washington reported one of her children here was unwell, martha replied, children that eat everything they like and feet as heartily as yours does must be full of worms. indeed, my dear fannie, i never saw children stuffed as yours when i was down in virginia. every thursday at the "washington post" did a public dinner which became known as the congress dinner and i first became that by this congress when i saw in the new cm here that beautiful display of the
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biscuit separation, the table ornaments and so it gave me huge pleasure to write about the congress dinner's and my book. it wasn't until i was back in the museum today that that is where my whole idea about the congress dinner came from as such a display i'm sure all of you know what well. and some members of congress were invited and their wives to some politicians had memories of dinners hosted by congressional president during the war. they called on the new u.s.
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president to renounce the style of entertainment. washington refused. he told a friend in virginia, first the novelty of it i well knew be considered as an ostentatious imitation or mimicry of royalty in england. king george the third dining always in private with queen charlotte. secondly he continued the greatest inclusion which stopped the avenues to useful information from the many and make me dependent on the few i moved. so the third congress dinner continued. george and martha administered mount vernon while they were in new york and later while they were in philadelphia, mostly by remote control. that is by correspondence and
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see any. the couple approver like good to exercise the already over servants, how slaves, field slaves, letters to my mission and from the president and mrs. washington for new york had little effect. martha wrote to her knees about charlotte and experienced slave sentries. she is so an election would do nothing but what she is told. she knows what work is to be done. george was equally frightful about the estate and the work being done and been overseen by george augustine.
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it was a sacrifice that they didn't hesitate to make for washington to become the servant of congress again. but it was a sacrifice for a couple in their late 50s and going into their 60s and not to be here oversee the estate and the home they cared so much about. martha reproached protocol and that neither was the president's intention to give wine or go to expense to entertain people that come to mount vernon out of curiosity good broad they always had. the washington brought some how
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slaves and many of the domestics however the way servants hired in the city and washington secretary commented they were all impressed with an idea that they are the best ever inspected be obtained. this was decidedly not a wash and you. when he toured, the president declared i strongly detect nothing is brought to maintain loafers or other things that is not used as profusely at his. both the washington's look forward to congressional recesses when they contempt for homes and could live private individuals for a time.
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in new york, george did enjoy a measure of private enjoyment ,-com,-com ma oddly enough at the theater when he showed himself in the presidential book. he was met with acclamations, cheers, just as george the third already monarch was met with cheers. the odd who theaters. during the course of play, washington could relax with gas and these were often old friends of the war and our government. the hamilton, robert morris and mary.
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but it was an isolated life that they were living on one very contrary to the hospitable, sociable virginia way of life that they were used to, even headquartered in the war had been more sociable than their life in the presidential mansion of new york and philadelphia. ... >> trading against the restrictions she wrote in a october 1 memo like a prisoner than anything else the mess not depart from.
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she was more philosophical than she was not dissatisfied the god forbid to conspire to make me what is and it. and then to make the occasion of celebration and every year after that. birthday or birth night as it was called was marked and in america before the revolution of course, june 4, george the third's birthday had been the newest effective in the calendar and jefferson -- they intended
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to introduce these trappings of the english court with the aim of ultimately establishing the constitutional monarchy. in fact months, washington was stamping the authority on the office president. protocol and etiquette was being established with the drawing rooms and dinners in the executive branch. in late february, 1790, the washington took up residence in a new presidential home leased by congress. this was a large house on broadway close to bowling green that the french ambassador previously rented a end this
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diplomat had left all functions to be sold following his torture for europe. the device has purchased a wonderful suites and full-length mirrors and other costly items and reception rooms and washington himself bought the 309 piece dining dinner service which is at his own display as the information is in the museum the first of the senators was used thereafter senators was used thereafter and he essentially brought it back
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here. in it is the year in office now, washington has less compunction about displays of grandeur and the senator who came to the congress in the residence described that which they sat down and preceded mouthwatering preserves, apple pie putting in the ice cream jellies and what about when, rowling, musk melon, apples, peaches. in virginia as the colonial commonwealth citizens have always been generous hosts given the scale of entertaining in new york and philadelphia leader the fortune accepted a salary of $25,000 a year.
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for a few days in may of 1790 at the house on broadway, washington's life and the security of the fledgling united states, and the balance and influenza was raging in new york, and the president was laid low. he battled to breathe. his lungs were severely inflamed and doctors came from philadelphia as well as new york medics were called into the case. his condition worsened and on the 15th, the caller at the mansion on broadway found that the house cared and the president life despaired of. it was an extraordinary moment in the history of the young republic. if washington died, would adams who had no glorious record and
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no gift of yet for conciliating the cabinet colleagues be failed as president. the very constitution had been written in the expectation that washington would serve for some years as president. but george washington had come as you all know, a very strong physique in the same day that his life was despaired of he began to perspire copiously and that his breathing eased and within days he was declared safe. a proper recovery would take time. the tranquility was restored to the state. two months later it was washington fully recovered who signed the residence act
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creating the federal district to accommodate the national capital which one they would be named in the district of columbia. two of the granddaughters would settle and the washington's would fit but that was all in the future. for now, the federal government would have its home in philadelphia and congress would have a very fine mansion on market street in philadelphia belonging to the financier robert morris and the anti-federalists remained keen to the splendor in 1793 responding to reports of seizing power in france they attacked with renewed fervor washington's
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presidential style. the monarchical presidencies -- monarchical [inaudible] if that is possible such as the nodding instead of shaking hands and seclusion from the people etc.. but washington didn't alter the stately gatherings over which he presided. they receive the invoice of the monarchs as well as those of the foreign republics and they believed it upheld the dignity in the united states. nor did he call to the celebrations on his birth night. in 1796, a thousand people gathered at the ball in philadelphia to celebrate the february anniversary. during washington's second term,
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politicians who approved of the revolutionary program in france criticized the treaty negotiated by the chief justice john jay overton and they claimed it grossly in favor of the british interests and washington closely associated with the negotiations was abused as the senate to vote on the treaty that smeared. though it was enacted, the public attacks have made washington miserable. in march, 1796, john adams wrote the turpitude of the american jacobins touches him more nearly than his own words. in a year later, shortly before the second term ended, the president told a dinner partner in philadelphia that he was like
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a child in view of the holidays. i counted the months and weeks and the days previous to my release. john and abigail adams became the new occupants of the presidential residence of market street. mrs. adams acknowledged to be the successor of mrs. washington and to make good on her place would be an arduous task and she wrote a note asking for guidance. i would endeavor to follow your steps. martha opened up a presidential spouse can tend to withdraw with her husband very long servant of congress from the public gaze. the curtain is falling she wrote in georgia and she looks forward to the board tranquil theater at
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home in virginia. as i'm sure you know the life of retirement to which the washington's have looked forward to do and last long before washington and martha passed away. the closeness of their marriage faded away from the memories of patriots to the father of the nation with the monuments and stature he. i would love it if my book served to bring martha out of the shadows and restore her to the size of her fascinating strong but frail confidence but doubting husband george. thank you. [applause]
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>> i would be delighted if anyone had questions to try to answer them. >> so where did you get that code? [laughter] i'm very glad you asked me that. [laughter] >> i got it from a shop close to me in london and i absolutely love it and i call it my oxford greatcoat author coat. when i'm writing, i write about more or less in pajamas and it's nice to go out every four or five years and speak about my
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book. >> what made you decide to write about this? >> what made me decided to write about decide to write about martha washington was coming here. i love sightseeing and i was in dc talking about an earlier book of george pre- and i came back to visit. and i came and went into the mansion and i looked at the house and i thought this is so english and then i looked around at the streams of american schoolchildren and this is the
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american couple that the father persisted and i kept thinking about it and then i thought well , they were rushed to start off with and indeed when they furnished the home or embellished the house with martha's wealth, they were a british colonial couple. but it was that journey and the fact that martha was of keen patriot both george and the warrior read her letters from
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the winter headquarters and she is thrilled that they are going to be defeated and she wishes -- she is terrific and so i think it was the two of them and it was this idea that they would together, all the way through they work to their marriage they made compromises and i was fascinated to. but it did take -- i have to think it is and only biting off quite a lot to write about george washington.
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and it's not only an american expression but i think it's a bit cheeky. it's more than a bit cheeky, it's very. but with a brick of -- a bit of british expression, all i can say is i enjoyed every inch of the way of researching here at mount vernon going to the virginia historical society to look at the papers and of course going to all the national parks and i love the battlefield if i went to the battlefields. i was brought up on the british battlefields so --
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>> [inaudible] >> they seem to be loyal to each other and their families. was it a series of very small events or cataclysmic event that broke their loyalty to their british citizenship. they were never happy with the service done to them by the firms in london and they were always as were most virginians
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worried they weren't getting the right price for the tobacco and they would always i would imagine from justice complaining the good sense to them were a variety of things that didn't work and if they were closed they were left in a fashion in other words they thought they were being pawned off with the shoddy goods effectively so there was always that and washington made the decision here in the domestic market so i would say it was small and incremental.
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violence wasn't something he wanted to be sort too early. and that is how the conversations go in his letters and he had the george mason as his next-door neighbor for what was me such a fascinating founding father and to have george washington here and george mason next door to not only were they after each others' trees but they were having these conversations about what legislation to try to get to in williamsburg or later in
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philadelphia. i think that it was a very productive relationship between the two georges on the potomac. >> you very deliberately did not call martha the first lady. do you know when that became used to the president's wife? >> it was used only after a. was only about a first, she was called the first lady of the nation and a migraine is cheese because i'd just written a piece
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i'd never done it before but i think it's what they call a blog. [laughter] i felt very strongly about this and so i wrote, and it's on the huffington post website and it might -- it went up a couple of days ago and it was said about dolly madison. does anyone know if that's true? it is. okay so it was dolly madison after her death she was named in the obituary piece or the book about the first lady of the nation and it had never been used during her lifetime.
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and it would be nice not for the president's spouse cannot refer to the next supporter of the next president of the presidential partner s. master washington was called by by washington and a consul for life and after her death of course was called a worthy partner for mr. washington. i feel presidential partner
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covers all possible sexes -- [applause] and it works because if you have a presidential partner who has been a president himself that's fine but could you just say the president and mr. president? [laughter] or mrs. president. i like the idea. i also love the term first lady and i adore the smithsonian display of the first ladies not least mrs. obama's white dress
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which i thought was absolutely fabulous but maybe it is time for a new room. yes. >> thank you very much. i look forward to reading your book. >> certainly i know that martha washington traveled to different camps during the war and spend months on the road with washington and if that's not love i don't know what is. but i understand that in the
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very beginning before they met he was in love with someone else and i don't imagine that when they met it was lightning bolts out of the blue and in an instant a love match. could you talk about the development of the relationship? >> absolutely i was just talking with doug this afternoon about their marriage. it was a small society. they were going to meet the governors ball. if they hadn't mac, which i -- you can't know whether they had met or not george or martha but
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certainly a and good one martha became available as a wealthy widow but she had a professional acquaintances and one of them was robert carter nicholas who was in part to custer's lawyer the custer's lawyer and also did some legal work for george, and his wife was sent to fairfax. mrs. fairfax with whom washington was in love and minutes before he proposed to martha and so, it was a very suitable marriage for both of
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them. martha needed someone to look after the estate. she needed a guardian for her children and she did a very capable job that she was a widow and ambled as ms. with some disparity which is impressive but nevertheless the marriage that young and washington. and she started rational, not cool but let's say tepid
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compared to how he felt about it later and there were strains on marriage but they had no children that was tough and we don't have the correspondence but they never made reference to it in letters to each other. martha destroyed the correspondence but their affection and above all most romantic nature of the relationship only grew. i can't pinpoint when it was. but i can say that washington's respect for martha grew enormously during the war and he realized during the war, during
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the months that he was without her in the campaigning season of those eight years just how much he missed her and he thought at the beginning of the war that she would be lonely and he wrote to her that wonderful letter. but it's a letter that is here in the library he wrote from philadelphia to take the commander but he was worried that she would be learning and about key would be worrying about her being lonely or as it turned out, he was lonely and they never thought at the beginning of the war that she would be going to him because he had went for her and difficult debate could change their luck
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-- relationship as all do change that's when he said during the war he said to benjamin franklin's daughter mrs. h. and i pronounced it wrong earlier which i'm sure is right. and dancing at the ball during the war. and this is the day 20 years ago i was married to mrs. washington and much later he told


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