tv Interview on Americas War Machine CSPAN January 24, 2016 6:06pm-6:16pm EST
>> mali is a longtime journalist that worked at the "washington post." she and her late husband wrote the book america's machine invested interest with conflicts. tell me how american military complex has changed since the eisenhower administration. >> it has expanded and morphed into a sheen that includes not only the military and the industry and the defense contractors. it also includes congress and the think tanks that provide the rationale for the conflicts and includes the intelligence bureaucracy that provides. he was concerned about the fact that america could become based on of a perpetual war. understanding. is that true today?
>> at the bigger problem than he could have imagined if he relies p. would want to make the same speech again today particularly given what's happening with syria. people need to understand about this drives us to war and understand we have as a result of this conflict, a vested interest in the war. everybody gets a piece of the pie. this has resulted in iraq and all the other things going on right now. we are happening in syria. a push to go to war when we have seen what we did in iraq didn't work and we see the same conflict where we sentence on the ground and military and hardware. it doesn't come out well. >> has this made it easier for the american public to digest
the concept of the perpetual war? >> it's one of the things that happens when you have a great big military that's funded to manage the foreign policy instead of the diplomats who are trying to work out something at the table. we put all of our money into the defense industry and we starve the state department and people trying to make peace at the table. >> can you see a time in the next ten to 15 years where we wouldn't be in the same situation that we are right now? >> jim used to get this question when he would make a talk and he would always say that he was an optimist and he thought that the common sense of the american people would force the kind of change that needs to be made in washington. the book is published by thomas
>> no one on the right has attracted more of a trail from the left, more intense the trail then the possible george bush or richard nixon and i think that there is a very logical reason that stood on or near the pinnacle of power this country for decades uniquely from the watergate era through 9/11 and you don't stick around at those levels unless you are really good and effective and that's why the left has had such an
obsession and you see this even with barack obama's comments today he called him in response to this interview. it speaks to his extraordinary influence on the times and the central role that he occupies in the intellectual universe. >> he gets under their skin for sure. >> so, tell me about getting the interview because having been a press secretary in the bush administration at the end, he was a reluctant interviewer, so how did this come about that you had a chance to spend several hours with an even longer than he had agreed to and he opens up about everything? >> guest: there is a back story as you know from our dealings way back when we covered the white house for fox news. i traveled the world with him on
air force one. we went to europe together and to the middle east and these are situations where you are hitting ten countries in eight days. we also went to iraq and pakistan three on the last of the trips in 2005 in pakistan as is the custom, he was supposed to get an interview with the vice president on the ground somewhere in that trip. it took place in pakistan. she was upset at the end because she thought the study wasn't right. and then steve who was running for vice president cheney at the time. they were cutting the trip short because it was believed the vice president in his role as president and the senate needed to cast a tie-breaking vote in what was the 5050 senate. we won't let anybody forget.
you are going to do this and this the wheels touched down just outside of washington, everybody promptly forgot about james rosen. >> the next time the vice president sat down with fox news wasn't february 06 from the purpose of explaining how and why the vice president had come to shoot his friend on a hunting trip in texas and as i sat in my office and thought to myself it's going to be a long time before you get to sit down with this man if ever. after doing some good-natured living about the recent notoriety as the subject of an fbi investigation i have a bone to pick with you. the interview from a 2005 i am still waiting. he remembered.
if we were to amortize the 7.5 minutes i would have received in 2005 i think today we would be up to something like 28 hours. >> just the two of us for two hours where we sort of sketched out the history for cheney and what it might look at sound like. again we agreed to do two hours a day for three straight days. no subject was off-limits and we saw no control over the editorial from the enterprise and in the end instead of six hours it was close to ten hours playback