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investigation. a federal official who has not to be named told one newspaper that there is no evidence of foul play and it appeared scalia died of natural causes. is the longest serving justice on the court was nominated in 1986 by president ronald reagan, justice antonin scalia was 79. he. he spoke with book tv in 2008 about his book, making your case. >> what most annoys me? i think any judge will tell you it is councils evasion of questions, trying to avoid giving us straight and civil answer. instead of saying yes or no they go into a long explanation. >> you have a whole chapter in your book about making the case for evidence. >> never heard judges complain that an argument was too short.
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>> host: is an oral argument in the court ever change your mind about a case? >> guest: that's a common question most people seem to be under the pressure that oral arguments is just a dog and pony show. what i'm telling you is what almost all appellate judges will tell you, it doesn't change your mind that often, but it frequently makes up your mind. so so many of the cases are very close. you go in on a knife's edge, persuasive counsel persuasive counsel can really make the difference, it is well worth doing right. >> host: who should read this book? >> guest: anybody arguing in front of me because it will not only help him but it will help me,'s argument will be shorter
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and he'll answer my question, i'll be able to understand the case better. >> host: what have you learned on this book to her and what you think about the dog and pony show that comes with it? >> guest: i'm going to be here in our half or so at the end of the day, i'm not worth much at the end of the day anyway. >> host: have you been touring quite a bit? spee2 i've done a book signing when i am when i am somewhere for some other reason i will do the book tour, book signing. i think it's only a couple of times that i've really scheduled a book signing. >> host: there's nothing personal in this book like justice thomas' book. >> guest: know, i have a dull biography. it would not be worth reading. >> host: antonin scalia with his co-author, brian gardner, who is brian? >> brian is a prominent author, he's the author of black by dictionary, about how to write briefs, how to make oral
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argument, how to use the words of the law properly, dictionary on the modern american usage. he's a prominent fellow. if you would you would hear he should be interviewed. >> thank you sir. >> but tv continues now with barry lasser on afterwards. criminologist track violent crime in the united states from the 1960s until today. many of this year's presidential candidates have written books to introduce themselves to put promoters. here's a look at their books. in reply all, jeb, jeb bush catalogs his e-mail correspondence during his time at the florida governor. presidential candidate former neurosurgeon ben carson argues better understanding of the constitution is necessary to solve america's issues.
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in his latest book, more perfect union. former secretary of state, hillary clinton looks back on her time serving in the obama administration in hard choices. in a time for truth, texas senator ted cruz recounts his journey from the cuban immigrant son to the u.s. senate. ohio governor john case it calls for a return to what he sees as traditional american values in stand for something. more presidential hopefuls with books include florida republican senator marco rubio, an american dreams he outlines his plan to advance economic opportunity. the winner the winner of new hampshire democratic primary, ernie sanders updated his 1987 biography now titled outsider in the white house, to include his time in the senate and his presidential campaign. businessman donald trump, winner of new hampshire republican primary online his platform in crippled america. in seven principles of good government he discusses his
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political philosophy in his time it is governor of new mexico. but tv has covered many of these candidates and you can watch them on our website, book tv.org. >> good afternoon everyone. welcome to the palestine center. i am the executive director here, welcome also to our online audience. before we start our program i want to bring to your attention the exhibition that we have got that will be starting next week.
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you probably saw some of the items, it's it's called reaching across the world, and we will have the opening reception for the exhibition on friday, one week from today. our curator is putting it together. you can take take a look outside on your way out. today we are delighted to welcome back to the center, doctor steve, i think most of you know that in 2014 his offer of ten year professorship in the american indian studies program of the university of illinois at her banner, champagne was revoked by the university's board of trustees. the purported reason was his public tweets criticizing the israeli government's assault on gaza that summer. his firing generated a huge public outcry with thousands petitioning for his reinstatement and more than 5000
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scholars pledging to boycott the university of illinois. this case raises important questions about academic freedom, about free speech on campus, about the israel influence on many sectors of american society and about the movement for justice in palestine. in his book, on civil rights, palestine and the limits of academic freedom which is the title of our talk today, doctor combines personal reflection and political critique to provide an analysis of his controversial firing. he examines the important issues that affect higher education and social justice activism. let me tell you a little bit about him and his back on. he is the author of six books, including modern arab american fiction, a reader's guide and
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israel's dead soul. his articles tackle a number of subjects including humor and resistance, race and american society, is mama phobia, anti-arab racism, colonialism, identity, colonialism, identity, indigenous studies, and a lot more. he holds a phd in native american studies and from the university of oklahoma. previously previously he was associate professor at virginia tech. during the 2015-2016 academic year he is serving as the edward chair of american studies at the american university of beirut. we are delighted he is here today from beirut. copies of his book on civil rights will be available for purchase after the event. we asked him to talk about 14 minutes and afterwards will open the floor for discussion. those of you who are online can tweet your questions to us at
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palestine center. please join me in welcome me the professor. [applause]. >> hi, can everyone hear me? louder okay. how is this. thank you very much for coming out this afternoon ever spending a bit bit of time with me. i especially want to thank the palestine center and everybody who helped put the talk together. i'm going going to try not to be too long-winded which
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is sometimes a problem for me so we cannot plenty of time for conversation and questions, and discussion. i have been given a public talk in quite some time. since i was last active on the circuit of discussing academic freedom, my firing, and suppression of speech and activism in islamic human rights. a a lot has changed mild personal circumstances. i have been in beirut since august. it has been an interesting and rewarding experience. the lawsuit got settled but the suppression of those who speak in support of palestinian liberation continues and in many
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ways at an alarming rate we are seeing students, professors, community activists, in a, in a recent case a high school student being punished for speaking against israeli human rights violations. we have seen in some instances recently folks being criminalized for palestinian language. what i try to do ever since the fire and that put me in the spotlight about the situation was to highlight the reality that this is not an individual but an institutional problem. it is going to require in an institutional response. an institutional response is not going to be simple. i think the development and the popularity of the boycott
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investment in sanctions over the last ten years it has picked up steam in the last two or three years, it has led to a vicious sort of response. we have billionaires like it'll send pumping millions of dollars into not only combating bds but any kind of narrative that is favorable or the near existence of palestinians. or palestinians with a voice. we see too many university presidents and upper administrators in the thrall of these monied interest. we are also seeing a particular appropriation of a gendered language of student wellness that is being deployed on u.s. campuses. the language of of comfort and safe space. anti- bullying, the sorts of things, being deployed by
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pro-israel students as a way of conceptualizing pro-palestine activists and somehow existing b8 on the pale and engaging in various forms of unethical or inappropriate behavior. israeli government has devoted time and resources to combating the so-called problem of bds. the existence now of significant communities on and off campus who are speaking about is really were kind and are advocating for the liberation of palestine and the palestinian people. the problem is institutional. i knew at the moment of my firing that i was not the first person in academia to be punished in such a way. i also knew that i would not be the last. that is one element of speaking
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about palestine on and off campus, but i'm mostly interested on what happens on campus given my professional location of my recent history, that anybody who is interested on this sort of work has to come with grips with. it's an ugly reality but it is a reality nonetheless. the way i way i would put it is by suggesting to people, and i kind of close the book on this note with this boat of advice that when it comes to speaking in favor of palestinian dignity and human rights, someone is going to be punished. someone is always punished. the moment that you are prepared to be the person who receives punishment is the moment at which you are ready to make the effort to raise your voice. it is not very often a consequence of free of duty or
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obligation. a lot of people thankfully are working to change that reality. >> .. >> >> it would probably easier
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to understand to the extent if i was an isolated indiscipline dash situation in but this has been going on 50 years but this is said a particular moment that israel and its actions since particularly are getting more and more urd difficult to defend and its behavior that more what targets me and others that you can notice that in defense ability of its actions based on the way it is inclined to support to raise objections with the critique that gets us in trouble.
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and i discuss the map leagues with "uncivil rites" and the passage of this happened a little warmer than two years ago and before it passed in december december 2013, the resolution ended up generating with the passage a tremendous amount of me via attention lists is a mid-size car livy organization to not be written about in the new york times. but that non scholars would not care much about this is the emblem of a particular cultural war around israel or palestine and i remember clearly in so many cases
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with public forums with the e-mail exchange or the comments people were posting that those who oppose the resolution never defended israel's behavior they were careful not to mention their behavior at all. it became an abstract commitment to the idea of israel. but there is very little engagement with the substance that had inspired that moved into the academic boycott in the first place. '' were people saying? where you boycotting israel? why not china? criteria? cuba? north korea? >> five with the links with
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the north korean university that we will look at them. [laughter] then a particular kind that does not rise to that seriousness that considers a moral response nothing that is even worth entertaining. yatter is like it isn't the role of a scholar the organization or this is divisive. when taken together this rationalization not only did not rise to the defense of israel's behavior but to never surpassed the category of platitude. they were diversionary tactics. another example is the media
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blitz that happened to the profound criticism it was subject so i was involved of these on-line skirmishes with the validity of palestinian life with the slaughter of palestinian in civilians and dozens of children included. yes people rationalize these things. there was very live told defense of israel's actions during the two months slaughter but i kept hearing a particular set of
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diversionary narratives that israel is forced to kill children by her dash in firing rockets we are led into something we don't want to do when they don't recognize the right to exist a blah, blah, blah but it did on the amount to what israel is doing. then it was resupplied with armed weaponry. with that to discourse so
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those that otherwise have been saying that i came into the situation of a clean heart with a clear motive the palestinian to do things and then never thought to do otherwise with the european power those other receiving end of the artillery you can
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in say what you want about this discourse the al sourcing of the negative behavior to those who suffer the consequences. what do you do it to shut that all down together to see that happen. in to be less popular is
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universally seen a stiller colonial enterprise. it is well documented with those apologies for israel's creation in? is done. so to people or more will have an honest debate of 1948 demand 1967 and since the law is to blame for the failures of the peace process who started it in who was the aggressor all historiography and scholarship everything'' worth reading in the past 10 years points to uh palestinian narrative or
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liberation those who are finding those efforts to criminalize that speech were going to extraordinary lengths to change basic constitutional law are well aware of the fact they don't want to have the debate whatsoever it is a losing proposition. but this dovetails with what we see with the issue of palestine academic freedom. first of all, is important to the understated it has never been comprehensively applied. certain based all of the
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peculiarities to protecting a certain kind of discourse. level laid out more clearly. speech and rand scholarship of stay tuned military power of economic inequality and structural issues are things that need to be addressed institutionally to take that discourse of racism of a lot of times the planes our figure that is objectively
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reset -- racist to put us comfortably i am not like that person. that is why loudmouth idiots are convenient. i am not to occur or like those southern rednecks with the rebel flag. i respectful. but we cannot reduce racism to the individual attitude or failure because it is structural. racism exist in the very institutions that governs the economy is, the way the cities are organized, the way policy is made or implemented, that police behavior that people are prosecuted. it is in the end -- a failure but is structural problem you're also
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automatically critique keen capitalism and certain forms of state mandated economic privilege and also will whole array of policies and upsetting a particular balance the generate a dash liberal response and with liberal and conservative outrage converge around the figure of somebody who is criticizing colonization zero or militarism, that academic freedom largely fails.
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the first and best known victims of the academic which time it occurred during the mccarthy era of but people were john dowd of universities for unpopular opinions or anybody that criticized rolled where one would have been fired. if you look since the late 1960's that who suffers recrimination and it is overwhelmingly people of color image women if he let those who suffered recriminations in the last year alone it is all color. i guess people who vote for donald trump are drawn to
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those weight -- those white male christians on line but there is no evidentiary basis. if you look never participate with black lives matter there is a recent case of a professor at the evangelical wheaton college she was fired say muslim christians worship the same god. but this seemed conservatives complain about the speech being suppressed it of course, the minister listens to the voters as they do. even those who were fired last summer or others are looking at the names of
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those plunder a public spotlight it is not the white male christian and the people of color and women of color who proffers public critiques of structural inequities in the u.s. society that is said to be outside the boundaries of the acceptable critiqued. i don't know that academic freedom is capable of those sorts of protection that it needs to be primarily because the influence of private industry and private donors and private sources with governance is not so strong.
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i've often said to have been fired for tweets critical of israel on a basic sense that is true but what really got me fired was the fact that voters contacted university to say get rid of this guy and in they holds a tremendous sway at universities in part because university management is beholden to monday but also in part because universities particularly public universities have been defunded with their almost completely reliant on private entities to function so those desires of those donors predominated isn't just a problem of radical speech or hysteria with the
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palestinian voice but their privatisation in corporate is aged of public education in very often palestinian students a more activist on behalf of palestine or professors who publicly support palestine your conduct in the square position than what academic freedom used to do is address this with other watchdog groups say into the right things but it is an extremely powerful force that we are up against that not only doesn't want to hear any sort of critique that implicates injustice but also has the vision of
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universities and higher education with that factory assembly line. i will go ahead and close in thin turnover to you for comments or questions. i encourage you to ask whatever you like. i will do my best to the answer. the battle isn't over. with the university of illinois and i settled the lawsuit a few months ago, it lists simply a legal closure. been the theme of things that has nothing to do with anything. with the problems for me.
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one important reason is i was so tentative about saddling at any point what is i did not want this tremendous energy around my case to die with the lawsuit i wanted it to supersede the lawsuit as a means to rectify but i kept thinking i don't want this energy are issued to go away because the legal proceedings may be dead but the same problems remain at the university of illinois and elsewhere. the american indian studies program has been decimated there down at 1.5 faculty members. so many people's lives has been a step by the university's decision beyond my own with color on campus
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to be subjected to a tremendous amount of racism and upper management has made it clear homage of values their units than humanities. is a difficult place but they are not in the unique position a lot of universities are facing that saved phenomenon. and literally as millions in in the millions of dollars get contributed to sponsor legislation that intends to strip us of rights if we support israel the
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administrators said university management or bodily continue to be to the whims of private donors in the best students who work on the issue of palestinian freedom or simply to humanize palestinian or to criminalizing intrigue as belize and marginalize on campus to be completely unprotected by the same administration and whose job involves the well-being of students it is deeply important for those of us with an interest in education ended free speech rights and to simply a
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living with some semblance to counter the negative effects that comes from long and high but the best way is to bathe in it together with a grass roots community to contest it. the one power is getting edits decentralize to happen spontaneous and organic and cannot be stopped by monday. it cannot. that they can slow them down except the criminalization and advocacy of a bed during supporters of bps in prison and i promise if that is what it takes it and that is the result that they will
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seek. i will take your questions a and comments. [applause] >> please wait for a the microphone and identify yourself. >> it is interesting because you seem kind of left to we need to be those an early lead to shut down on campuses are those on the
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left with the recent you virginia and like the swastika it is interesting because he thinks the people behind the daughters are liberals or conservatives? and also they call that hate speech i call the vet thought crime long will that happen like machine people being put in jail? you really don't need to protect popular speech. >> there are a lot of categories to work during your question i will try a to address them. the basic realities the college-age kid this is is
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that people complain is was it traverses that normal spectrum liberal or conservative but the professors who were likely to be punished or become a media's sensations to imperialism or colonization. and with the center for constitutional rights in
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almost 300 cases unless they and two years. we keep having this conversation in a the student activism in the idea is is a whole group of well-heeled and credentials and those to wring their hands of the unpopular speech being punished. they never find in themselves with those hundreds of instances of pro palestine's students. some of then and being suspended your criminalize and i don't see how we can honestly have this
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conversation about the issue is of the day on campus without taking seriously the way these particular informal speech codes so what i worry about is those informal speech codes are formalized. it is in matter of responsibility but that will pass that by gary. "in-depth" quarter of the democratic party the when it comes to protecting israel from criticism, they come together. for that common goal.
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and ultimately his up matter of one political interest of a particular ideal for this is a political identity then it's okay to accommodate critique a criticism with a certain set of mythology with israel's behavior today. sova doesn't much matter to me. what this health professed political or ideological identity is the players dominating the monday and peddling their influence is
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a matter if a person is interested to maintain campuses in which they could be accommodated or if they aren't deeply invested. so to create conditions that formally stifle certain types of speech is a critique end unfortunately
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if you could clarify which your suits if it was academic freedom or freedom of speech? on page two solyndra four said you could have your own freedom of speech is not related to what you teach but it could have been because you teach indigenous studies say you couldn't beat talking about palestinians under that rubric. but the next one is you mentioned the dollar received it seems they are not interested in academic freedom or what the university is supposed to be about a proposal that calls for a movement against those donors?
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>> okay. we may be witnessing the developing of the movement. [laughter] it is the unrealistic goal. but the first amendment rights. with the diversity filed the
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motions to dismiss but in terms of academic freedom the university management is not supposed to based on those longstanding standards of academic freedom. to punish its employees or students for that matter through that nine ticino faculty. but you cannot punish somebody to express an unpopular opinion. obviously those standards were composed before the social media era.
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it is the utterance outside the classroom orate a formal campus engagement. 30 years ago i would have published the op-ed in the post condemning israel with those academic freedom. end in terms of the dotard class i am trying to be concise without rambling.
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bill lost you firmly come from the business world they have hotshots in local communities end connection is the wood to use those institutions they are interested with returns:investment that comes out of the corporate world they're supposed to be in charge of tenure and curriculum to the not necessarily allosaurs but he ended down from above so they come through a particular bureaucracy or
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hierarchy not only politics but that's envisions for a the campus or the business model than all the way to counter what they are doing to uphold and strengthen the tenants the of academic freedom to make sure the institution are maintained or preserved or created that the university that involve students was the decision making that affect education and the well-being needs to be a part of the democratic
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process. it is and in the ideal states if policies are imposed on students from on high. so we can never counter a little underclass but we can to retain a sense of the democratic inquiry right diaz's can exist with one another to be articulated in the place that predominates of curriculum and policy and so forth.
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>> ion blast and a graduate of university of illinois from many years ago. i am wondering if you can, dynamic fran in engineering with faculty and as it relates to bdm said why that flow of information is still a barrier? >> that is a great question. please don't be embarrassed. we existed a moral framework beyond our institutional affiliations. so we all end up looking bad
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wine way or another. that is a good question. i feel uncomfortable in answering that because i know precious little about this audience or the stem the fields themselves. [laughter] for what goes on line in those departments. i feel there is an entire academic culture and maybe there is overlap with humanity's. i know there was an effort with interpreted social sciences people and adults the they got very far and there was an effort with this professionals so i go
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by explanations of what other people have given me. he probably have much stronger heard theories than i do. colada fed has to do with the sense that illinois for a simpler when dash example the to the solar who oversaw the firing and subsequently step down when debt, jersey reach a fever pitch was very good to distend fields. so part of that has to do with a simple self-interest
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they were happy with her leadership ben did not want to rock the boat but what we do with the humidity is isn't measurable a and a when you deal with the distractions with those of our highly contingent or highly controversial that this fallout is inevitable inevitable, and maybe part of it has to do, i could be wrong but i tell that commitment to that material she just social justice is the ethic of the stem fields in the way it is for the communities so at that --
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ethnic studies more broadly to formulate ideas that matter into those are not in the jargon of these fields. i don't want to make it sound of this done field but a lot of the is affiliated with the engineering departments in canada debt and the united states a few of the stem fields votive no-confidence in the chancellor or signed a statement for my reinstatement. so i hope eggs ugly as the
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situation was that it brings the amount closer together rather than read further in trends them if that makes sense to. >> amylase 95 percent pro islam or palestine gore would never before i ask the question of.
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in the northern cj yes suburb i believe in the elementary school in then late geography taught her class had to write that in arabic. you can imagine there is the absolute uproar. so what would anybody do about this? to do those sorts of things.
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in in in the time so what's a poor have you gotten from american indian organizations of the presbytery -- presbyterian church? >> and howe case law influences the lawsuit of how courts adjudicate and if they reach the supreme court level? >> but from what we sanders the end but the teacher is
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doing nothing them providing the regular arabic that was part of the curriculum. so it strikes me as of problem of all arab bit cultural symbols with that narrows statice to be inherently violent and not been allowed to board the plane. with that very existence of the tactile arabic culture and are inherently reduced
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visit believe violent reduced to something inherently threatening with a certain conception of u.s. culture of the american ideal. with that crashed june proselytizing was unbelievable. it is not necessarily a problem but of the existence of the symbol then seems to be troublesome to a particular vision of what it means to be american.
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end the ways that the location has been indecisive. bearing his is the bds activist working with the church and in support of this case but is a case lot? ninety-one shaky ground but the with that judge his initial ruling on the motion in to dismiss that is extremely optimistic from the case law play into view with a violation of the first amendment. lot of that depends on the circuit.
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it would have to end a slam-dunk. and there are tens of case law to support that. >> i particularly thought that chapter on the peptalk to capture the essence of the issue it is through my experience of the panelists is asked the question is said this incident either way you reiterate it with a moderator asks for a response but wanted remedy is this is pushed back.
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in those said are misleading their house to be congressman as well. >> i have a question related to your comments about the need for grass-roots and i wonder specifically of your experience. with that scientific research but to be more liberal universities. with groups like the jewish
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voices for palestinian young jewish students. those that come from that generation with that post holocaust generation. if your experience with eleanor way if there seems to be ago wedged developing and with that narrative to bed jewish students because there are strict rules to achaean speaker achaean to speak even those jews setter sympathetic.
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and maybe there is a new generation with the justice and in the civil-rights. stick and that palestinian student at george mason and you cannot get rid of the donor but even if we have pope with that generation grew the type that we have to is indeed we keep the antagonizing others so with that creative project that does not antagonize others.
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in to feed into a solution. >> i am a student from howard university because i am in a unique position in to talk about rights so my question is i am from miami originally there is a lot of jewish students. but there is still this generation that is conservative and if we have these conversations you are
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in support of the ideal they automatically divert been changed the subject with the existence of a jewish state. what did sure if vice to these diversionary tactics? >> and then i will matriculate onto yours. in the era of social media it is easier to raise objections back in my college days we would write
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letters to the editor. usually they did not to get in. but it when i was a student going to the library to print off stacks of letters to representative zealand other politicians to buy the steel band mail them also twitter was a godsend when hundred 40 characters but in a broader sense than to raise their voices in a harmful policy and i say in a position trader a person is that in his search for
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life but i just noticed that a critical mass that develops in physical spaces and social media for the injustice of the unjust policy and to be able to ruth contribute to to that kid be deeply satisfying it is important in general. i would never shy away to articulate a sense of protest with that happens
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all 90r private conversation so i will take these two questions together. so movements like jewish voice for peace offer tremendous help -- hope. there is a lot of the interchange heth specify a judicial dignity they are probably related to palestine and end that is the only way to adequately before word.
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in the issue to involve multiple committees. i don't know how much we can measure our if any opinion studies have been conducted. but i like the idea tuesday opened hillel with the simple reason it is unconscionable. i think it's is stupid for the organization into a restructured in such away a bunch of old rich people tell college students with daycare and/or cannot say or invite.
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and the they still bring the idea. that is just proof of the matter. that is the principle of the matter. [laughter] . .
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>> you just know. and so people are down or they aren't down. that is my simplistic answer. we don't need to be measuring or particularly concerned, i think, with the demographic composition of our communities. we need to embody the sort of democratic vision for the middle east to which we aspire. one that is beyond secretarism and biological

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