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long at twitter -- [laughter] @booktv is our twitter handle. thanks for being with us today. we'll see you tomorrow. everything you've seen today will re-air. that begins at midnight tonight, and our full day of coverage begins its re-air at midnight. >> you're watching booktv on c-span2, television for serious readers. here's a look at what's on prime time tonight. we kick off the evening with crystal wright who discusses her book, "con job: how democrats gave us crime, sanctuary cities, abortion profiteering and racial division." then at 8:30 edward langel reports on the financial papers of george washington. at ten, michael eric dyson discusses race and the obama presidency on booktv's "after words." and we finish up our prime time programming at 11 with npr's
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brady carlson and a look at presidential grave sites and monuments. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. first up on booktv in prime time, here's crystal wright. >> host: crystal wright is backt ott our desk, editor and publisher of, also out with a new book, "con job." crystal wright, a lot to get into in that title of your book, but i want to begin with this quote from your book. it reads: real racism still exists in modern america, it and hurts real people. but when hustlers like al sharpton and other liberals are quick to label every incident i america racist from voter id laws to the shooting of black teens, it diminishes the rightful attention that true racism should receive. so what is true racism, and why are some of the issues that you bring up in that example not for
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racism? >> guest: well, i actuallyll devote a chapter in the book to true racism. it's in the appendix, and it's my family's personal story of being discriminated against. when i was a little girl, they applied to a country club and were told that they didn't want my parents to be members because they were blacks. and that case, actually, went all the way up to the u.s. court of appeals. at the time, in 1980, '81 when it went to the appeals court, the u.s. justice departmentt filed an amicus brief because it said that in, you know, 13 years after the civil rights act had passed, this is not what america was about. so that, to me, is true racism and discrimination. i would say, you know, when someone is denied access to something, that is true racist discrimination.e when people are called the n-word outright by white supremacists, that istion.
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discrimination. cliven bundy, the rancher, the incendiary things he said about black people, that's racism. what's happened now, and i write about this in "con job," you have this industry where people like al sharpton and cornel west are getting rich out of calling everything racism, jumping into racial division incidents in the united states and profiting on it. jesse jackson is another one. that, to me, is not being a champion for ending discrimination, that's aei champion for self and making money. >> host: you say it's something that the democratic party is trading off of -- >> guest: yes. >> host: -- to profit in votes and money. >> guest: it is trading off of that, because right now you see the narrative playing out on the democrat side.ra we have hillary clinton and bernie sanders, which are the democrat front-runners, the only ones vying for the democrat nomination in this presidential nomination, and they're pandering to black lives matters. we saw last year when bernie
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sanders was at an event, hee didn't give what black people thought was appropriate lip service to black lives matters, and he was heckled off the stage. what is that?iv i'm a black person, and i find that offensive. i want to hear policies to make all lives better. so right now you have -- there's a race going on on the democrat side with the candidates to get so-called black endorsements. it's and furious. they're meeting with al sharpton. i don't know about you, john, but i'm a grabbing woman, it speak for myself -- i'm a black woman, i speak for myself. where is hillary clinton and bernie sanders, why aren't they getting the endorsement of so-called white america and white spokespeople? i find it offensive. it's -- there's nothing real in it. they should be talking about their agenda for black america, and they haven't. and we know that hillary clinton in 1994 supported her husband's crime bill which locked up and incarcerated more black men than any president in u.s. history. he created the disparagement between sentencing of crack
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cocaine and cocaine that led too the mass incarceration of black americans. i would argue that neither candidate has done anything in their decades of service toei improve the lives of black >> host: in the 2014 election, 89% of black americans voted for democrats. you argue in your book that they're voting against their own interests when they do that. how do you try to change that mindset to change those numbers, 89%? >> guest: well, it's not just -- yeah. it's 89% of the country, and it's also overwhelmingly you have over 90% of black americans the last two election cycles voting for the first black president of the united stateses of america in 2008 and 2012. and i talk about this in "con job." the subtitle of the book is "hoj democrats gave us crime, sanctuary cities, abortion profiteering and racial discrimination." and the reason i wrote the book is to expose the lies i believel the democrat party is based on.
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i have 50 pages of mostly government data to prove every point i talk about. abortion is not a friend ofea women's health because,cc according to planned parenthood, three out of ten women by the time they age 45 will have had an abortion.n. you tell me about how that's promoting women's health. you know, we should be talking about a.n.s.w.e.r. innocence, ws should -- abstinence. we should be talking about if a woman comes into an abortion clinic, you she should be gettig counseling on adoption. none of that is happening, and planned parenthood is getting 40% government funding to fund their $1.3 billion, i think ita talk about in the book, thatat they made 2013-2014. and with black americans too what i also talk about is often times you see democrats pitting one constituent against another. they actually cannibalize constituents. there's no party that can be all things to all people. that's the failure of identity politics. on the one hand, you have
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hillary clinton, bernie sanders and barack obama talking about illegal immigration which isra actually the enemy of black employment in this country. so i could probably go on and on, but i'll let you -- i'll stop. >> host: a lot to get to there because we want to bring in our callers. democrats, 748-8000,republican republicans, 748-8001, independents, 8002. let's get to a few calls. james, hollywood, florida. line for democrats, you're up first for crystal wright. james, go ahead. james, you've got to stick by your phone. we'll go to josh from kissimmee, florida. line for republicans. josh, you're on "the washington journal." >> caller: good morning. i would like to ask your guest exactly how does she feel about the narrative that alle republicans are racist and the fact that my daughter and i, we went to a trump rally in orlando last weekend, she's racially-mixed, and the crowd was racially mixed. nobody was saying racial end
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they wants or anything like that, and how can we get around the media false narrative? >> guest: that's a great question, and that's why -- well, that's why i wrote "con job," to break through the stereotype that somehow because black people were born with a certain skin color, we are relegated to the democrat box. if you go back in history, you know, way before 964 when -- 1964 when the democrat party won, started owning the black vote lock, stock and barrel because lyndon b. johnson actually signed the civil rights act into law and martialed it through really for political expediency, before that you had republicans actually championing all the things that now the democrat party is giving lip service to and says that it's the champions of. but i think more importantly it's people like you and me speaking out and saying -- you just told me you were at the trump rally. you didn't have people calling
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each other incendiary names. o and i do not believe that donald trump is a racist. i do -- i would have liked him to repudiate much stronger when he came out against the david duke support and white supremacist support. he has since done that saying that he doesn't want that kind of support.oe he can't control who votes for him, but he needs to talk in the vein of ronald reagan and say, hey, if i'm elected president, i'm going to bring all the people together, and i'm going to repudiate that kind of, youou know, trash talk and racist talk.. >> host: are you voting for donald trump this cycle? >> guest: i have not endorsed a candidate or decided, you know,, who i'm going to support in the d.c. primary yet. i will vote in the d.c. primary as a republican.ll there are those of us who exist. we're a little over 30,000. i like what donald trump's candidacy is doing to the political establishment called the republican party, because they are tone deaf to inclusion, and that's why we are in the state we are.
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and i predict that the party will be born anew even if trump doesn't prevail in being thew, nominee or elected. >> host: i was going to note in your column about donald trump and this issue of the white supremacists and his comments about that, you note some criticism for the republican establishment, that the establishment has done nothing to grow the party beyond its college-educated white base, eni quote, over the past four years. >> guest: yeah with, it hasn't. i remember vividly when mitt romney became our nominee, and i was a newt gingrich supporter and delegate here in d.c. i tried at every turn to volunteer for mr. romney be's campaign -- romney's campaign, never got responses. i was on television supporting him, supporting his wife, ann romney. and he ran one of the whitest campaigns in recent memory. and -- >> host: what does that mean? >> guest: well, that means while barack obama was using -- even though i don't believe in barack obama's policies -- perception becomes reality.esident
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mr.-- president obama had people of color, he enlisted actresses in hollywood to go out there and help him as surrogates with his campaign. you didn't have his surrogates looking like the who's who ofve white america. very opposite was true of mr. romney. his campaign, largely white males. he had a bunch of coalitions, you know? i've got the african-american coalition, the asian coalition, but that's all they were, in name only. and that was reflected in the votes that mitt romney won. mitt romney won 60% of the white vote. that was more than any president had won in 1988. and we see the path forward is not just the white vote, you know? our nominee today, in 2016, ise going to have to peel off minorities, women, independents. so, you know, we're -- so i thought it was really disingenuous and really an affront for mitt romney to getng up there and start blasting donald trump when he lost an election in 2012 that many people say that he should have won.
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so, you know, yeah. my party has problems on inclusion. >> host: back to the phones. line for democrats, line from waldorf, maryland. go ahead, bookie. >> caller: hi. yes, good morning, c-span, and good morning to your guest. i have a feeling that herself and i would probably not agree on many things, but after hearing her, i think i might change my opinion. so the first is i do sincerely disagree with you, respectfully, with, you know, definition of true racism versus, i suppose you categorize it in just not racism or no racism. i think your definition should be broadened to include covert versus overt racism.
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i think that's really the definitions that you probably should be speaking to. but my other statement is that i agree with you in some aspects in that the democratic party probably should not have a lock on the black vote. i think that that's not very --r it's not very informed of us voters to simply vote your party. i myself would, i suppose i identify as a democrat because i've only voted democratically in every election. however, i, you know, as i getas older, as i become more informed and become i suppose more active in the political process, i think i have changed my understanding of who i should vote for. and maybe i'm more of an
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independent than a democrat. >> host: i'm going to let crystal wright jump in. >> guest: thanks, and you make some great observations. i think racism -- if i had more time, i don't want to dominatedo the short time i have with talking about the differenthe types of racism. i experience racism from professors when i was in college and high school, so there are, h you know, we probably don't -- we don't have enough time to go boo all that. but -- into all that. >> host: what about her preferred definition? let's talk about covert and overt racism. >> guest: well, look, i believe there's overt racism that we see, that we hear, right?ra and i gave some examples. there is covert racism in hiring practices now still with fortune 500 companies. you have racism, do taxi cab drivers in major cities still look at black men in a suit and tie and still won't pick them up? certainly, they do. but that goes to my point.t. if everybody -- if all white people are racist like al
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sharpton wants to label people, what's happening now is you have huge, massive, a chasm of racial division in this country because of people like al sharpton. al sharpton, if he was really interested in making the racists come together, he wouldn't jumpo into every scenario like, you know, baltimore, michael brown, trayvon martin. he would actually take a step back. but he goes down there, he flaps his loud mouth, and he creates tension.ea tension that doesn't produce anything but friction and violence. and i think back to what else the caller said, i also wrote the book "con job" because i am not trying to convince all black people they have to vote democrat. i'm saying that she pointed out that black people have no political influence. we gave that up over the last 50-plus years that we have voted single-handedly for one political party. no other race does that. and just because you have a d or an r next to your name, i have an r next to my name. does that mean i'm always going to vote republican? no.
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every election cycle people, politicians have to earn my vote. e i think black people need to hold the politiciansi accountable, specifically the democrat party who has not delivered on the promises to blacks over the last 50-plus years. right now you have two candidates on the democrat side promising that black lives matter, and it's the same lip service we've heard the lastst four years, the last eight years before that. and i would argue since 19, yous know, over half a century black minds have not mattered to democrats, black lives, black education, you know, black educations has gotten worse, black prosperity, wealth has gone down. everything's gone down the toilet when you look at black >> host: one more passage from the book. the black lives matter campaign has become nothing more than an excuse for black men to get confrontational with police, particularly white offer officers, across the country to provide the democrats and their race charlatan allies with another incident they will leverage into more rioting,
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looting and votes for candidates with a d after their name. the book is "con job: how democrats gave us crime,nc sanctuary cities, abortion profiteering and racial division." crystal wright is our guest for about the next 245 minutes. never vin's -- 25 minutes. nevin's been waiting in tennessee. >> caller: just a fast comment, quick comment. i don't think really it's just as simple as racism and racial. it's more economic. and just by, you know, your personal history, obviously, you're in a high socioeconomic group. it's, that's why the democrats appeal. it's a working class situation. and it's not really racism. that's just my comment. thank you. >> guest: i'm going disagree with you on that because democrats, when it comes to black americans, there's theem number one thing that's causing most of the crime and lack of education that my race is experiencing, yet they continue to vote for the same party, continue to give them the same result.
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72% of all black babies are born out of wedlock. that means more black babies are born into homes without a mom and a dad. and whether you look at brookings institute or heritage, which are polar opposites -- one is on the right, one is on the left -- all the data shows that when a child is born into that kind of situation, their chances of falling into poverty, not graduating from high school and falling into crime are exponential. it's over, like, 70%. so if democrats are really interested -- and i talk about this in the book, "con job," -- in solving this problem, theyng would look at how do we stop blacks from having -- and it's not just one generation.n. it's many generations, and it started happening in the early '60s when daniel patrick moynihan who was a democrat senator, and he worked for thesident johnson, he wrote thee moynihan report, the negro family, a case for national action the formal term of it.
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and he wrote to president johnson when he was then assistant secretary of labor.. he said, whoa, johnson, i'm concerned here. houston, alert, alert. you've got 23% of black babies being born into homes without fathers, and i'm seeing a rising increase of black women depending on welfare. so, and the men going in to jail. so fast forward to today, the problem has only gotten more acute. and president obama's solution was my brother's keepers program. it was more coddling of young black men. this was basically a nanny program. i write about it in "con job." it was a federal government program that actually was going to teach black men how to be men. now, that's the responsibility of the parents. we have to stop -- we need to be teaching abstinence programs and personal responsibility. so i disagree with the caller that it's about socioeconomics. yeah, about more than that. you have more black americans that are not taking responsibility for their lives.
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so their plight, you know, is never going to change, and they keep voting for a party that continues to keep them in this state of victimization. >> host: let's go to our line for republicans where oola is waiting in maryland. >> caller: good morning, how are you doing? >> host: go ahead. >> caller: what a great job of presenting the every time i present the issuesh the way you present it, i get called every name in the book, you know? and i'm not going to repeat. [laughter] i tell people i present the issue the way it is, i deal in data and fact -- >> guest: right. >> caller: -- not supposition and innuendo. i cannot do it. now, the one thing i will say is this. on a per capita basis, i think most of the discrimination we face is socioeconomic. it's just more heightened on a per capita basis.on but everything you say i completely agree with. now, the issue that i have is this, is that how do we teach -- and because i do volunteer and i teach young men twice a week,
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how do we now teach the younger generation not to fall into the trap of the democrats are like the holy grail that saves everyone? because i do it twice a week with young adults age ranges from 18-30. and most of them say to me, most of them -- i'm talking about a group of 30 guys. most of them say to me, i don't care about racism. i know it is there. i worry about what it is that i need to do personally --ally toc >> guest: right. >> caller: -- to achieve everything that god wants me to achieve and be 100% of the person that i can be with the potential and ability. that's really the key. it's more about personal responsibility.ut so good job, keep doing what you're doing, and hopefully one day i'll run into you within the d.c. circle. >> guest: sounds good. well, the caller raises important issues. solutions, right? i talk about the negatives, but there are solutions. and i think the solution is
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talking more about what paul, where speaker paul ryan is doing which is how do we -- speaker paul ryan is bringing forward policies on how to prevent poverty through work and personal responsibility and empowerment. and a lot of this goes back to his, when he worked for jack kemp. and we talk about kemp had these ideas of enterprise zones, you know? he said that if businesses want to go into like, you know, places like baltimore where you have torn-down buildings and there's no opportunity for youno black people who are trying to wreak that generational -- break that generational cycle, jack kemp said we're going to give tax credits to these businesses to set up shop in baltimore in torn-down, you know, predominantly black cities where there's no economic opportunity but i think it's also about mentoring and talking to young people and really explaining that, you know, when you have a job, you're able to buy things. when you finish high school and get a high school education, you're able to empower yourself to actually get that job and then maybe go to college.
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i don't think it should be college, college for everybody getting into debt. we need to get back to vocational training. and it's also telling young people what happens when you have a baby when you're not ready for a baby, when you have a babe by out of wedlock -- a baby out of wedlock and talking abstinence. i talk about the best friends foundation program which elayne bennett started. this is a program that was teaching young girls to graduate from high school, not engage in premarital sex until they it should high school, focus on going to college, not doing drugs and alcohol, and it was a curriculum program taught in about 14 public schools and including the district of columbia. so she had that program for almost 20 years. she started the best men's program about ten years ago. and the current president, barack obama, once he got elected in 2009, he defunded all federal government money for abstinence training programs. and i'll just leave the caller with this other example.
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my mom is a tutor through her church. and she goes in and tutors elementary kids, you know, in the school that the church adopts. and she told me that a couple years ago she was tutoring a young grade schooler, and this black child did not know what a husband was. the term was foreign to her. it was valentine's holiday coming up, and my mother was explaining to the little girlir that she was going to send valentine's cards to her kids and her husband, and the little girl said what's a husband? my mom explained, and she responded back to my mother, husband, boyfriend, they're all the same. and this is the narrative we need to break. they're not all the same, and, if anything, black people -- the black race needs husbands. they need fathers. >> host: lease burg, virginia -- leesburg, virginia, is next. karen. democrats. good morning. >> caller: hi there. i need to say this, and i'm not
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being disrespectful, but, crystal, you are talking out of two sides of your mouth. you know, this is -- one of the problems is or what i see is that, for one thing, african-american people don't look at all white people as they're racist. i look at the way you act. not because of your skin color, but i look at you and how you treat others. you cannot admit that racism still exists whether it is overt, covert, however way you want to put it and then turn around and not understand or empathize that people like al sharpton are out here to bring that to your attention. it doesn't matter if -- a lot of white people, and i have a lot of white friends. they do not see racism because they've never experienced it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. so i don't blame will it's al sharpton, you or anybody else that's going to bring it to the attention of the national media. but i do want to jump on thison issue real quick about unwed mothers. you're right, there are too many african-american communities that do not have fathers. but guess what?
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they're the same thing in the rural sideover kentucky too -- side of kentucky too. this is not just a african-american thing. planned parenthood serves every community across america. when you start to have discussions like this on the h public forum, you need to put it out there and make your cause and your next book not about the democrats, ask what the republicans are not doing for the african-american community. and what they're not doing for the latino community and for all minorities. if you don't want to use this as a platform, then do it 100%. don't sugar coat it and use it to the -- >> host: all right, karen, got your point. want to give crystal -- >> guest: yeah. i think karen has a chip on her shoulder, and she doesn't like the fact i am producing facts. black americans represent 13% of the population, 72% of their babies are born out of wedlock.c black men are being killed by each other much higher than any other race. according to the justice
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department, karen, blacks are six times -- blacks are six times as likely to commit homicides and seven times as likely to be homicide victims. the number one cause of death of young black men ages 15-34 is homicide. okay? in 93% -- 93% of those deaths are due to homicide. so we have a pathology, black americans, that is disproportionate to white americans. and when you look at welfare per capita, more blacks are -- more black women are living in public housing because they're having babies out of wedlock. and in the book "con job,""c karen -- not my facts, the washington post facts -- there was an article in 2010 inhington colbert king and many others seize toed on this. the district of columbia wanted to reduce the period that women could be on welfare assistance. so the post article referenced
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about four or five black women. they didn't just have one baby out of wedlock, they had two, three, four, and i think one woman even had five. by different men. and at the time mayor barry, the black mayor of d.c., said he felt this was a problem. this was a black mayor talking about a black problem. and you know what one of the young women said when she was told she was going to lose her assistance, who's going to pay for my pampers? you talked about what republicans are doing? republicans like paul ryan want to end this cycle. and whenever they want to reform welfare, they're blasted. education, republicans lead onon school choice programs which barack obama defunds everything chance he got -- every chance he got in every budget that he submitted to congress.a school choice, charter schools, vouchers have been under assault by democrats in favor of the teachers' these help minorities; blacks, hispanics. >> host: our line for republicans, richard's been
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waiting in fort myers beach, florida. you're on with crystal wright. richard, you there? richard? got to stick by your phone, richard. we'll go to paul, virginia beach, virginia. line for independents. paul, go ahead. >> caller: yes. v v thank you for taking my call. i have two quick points, and i'll take her comments off the air. my first one is when i turned on, i kept hearing ms. wright making all -- running down this list of reasons why african-americans should not vote for democrats. she mentioned manager about president obama's -- something about president obama's program, all these other things why we should not vote for democrats. but my problem with that is you're not listing any reasons why we should vote for the republicans. i haven't heard one thing. and my second quick point ismy c this: even though, and i kind of agree with you that the
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democrats have not been %, have not -- perfect, have not donee everything correctly for the african-american community. .. goshould to the voting booth in november and vote for a party whose front runner has not only been leader ofby the ex- the kkk but also the current leader of the kkk? named white separatist gerard. during the debate, your republican candidates are on stage telling you miss jokes. -- penis jokes. democrats havee not been perfect on african-american issues, you're telling end of discussion"
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>> you laughed at why should i vote republican? you should give the republican party a try bah the democrats have kept the blacks poor and criminals. we have had over half a century of affirmative programs and are still not graduating at the same rates -- college or high school -- at the same rates as white. in 2013, the average black family, and this is having voted half a century for democrats, including twice for the first black president of the united
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states, black americans have about 19,000 in wealth compared to 130,000 for the average white family. crime, i have been through that. you laugh at the notion of voting for a republican when you look at the republican agenda which is of personal responsibility and empowerment, education is the great equalizer. there is no denying and i talked about this when i talked about the charter school movement with the school voucher program -- democrats want to protect the teachers' union. so the teachers' union is something they will always stand by. any chance they get, they try to destroy the charter school movement, the school choice movement, president barack obama sued louisiana's school choice program under governor bobby jindal because eric holder said
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he could not have the black kids leaving the schools because it would make the failing schools not have enough diversity. i talked about donald trump's comments are respect to the white supremecist and david dukes supporting him. i don't believe donald trump is a racist. he talks about earning the black vote and says he can do that. but donald trump is the only candidate, even compared to hillary and bernie sanders on the democrat side, donald trump's immigration plan talks about easing unemployment. besides saying black votes matter to hillary and bernie sanders and hillary clinton talking in a black dialect.
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when she supported bill clinton's crime bill she called young black men who were criminals super predators. if you are happy with the return on your investment you are getting from democrats you keep laughing all the way from republicans. >> host: ann is in orman beach, florida. good morning, you are on with crystal wright. >> caller: i admire you so much. the gentlemen that called four phone calls ago he is right on everything. you are doing so good. i really do admire you. you have told the truth on lots of things. i am a 73-year-old lady. and i have been through a lot of things. i have never been arace -- a racist. i never will be. all white people are not racist
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and i so much appreciate you getting that point across like you have. thank you so much for taking my call. bye-bye. >> guest: we live in such a polarized environment and i will go back to al sharpton. i didn't know black people had to have other people speak on our behalf but the al sharptan's have pointed a picture. are there people in this country that disdain the fact we have a black president? sure. are they racist? absolutely. and i have never said anything but. i condemn that when people sent around pictures of monkeys and compared them to president obama
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and michele obama. you will always have sick-minded racist like this. if you a white person and criticize this black president, even if you open your mouth, you are racist. you don't like him because he is a black president and that is fundamentally not true. many people feel our president, president obama, has taken the country in the wrong direction. somehow i can say it because i am black so i am given a license to criticize the black president. but all of the presidents before barack obama were criticized by people of all races and the very black people telling white people that is off limit to criticize the black president were the same people criticizing george w. bush because he was white and calling him all sorts of names and white presidents before him. i appreciate the call, ann. i don't like for all of us regardless of skin color to feel
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we can weigh in on race issues. i find it offensive when a program is having a talk on race, i am called in and primarily the panels are made up from people of color and you will never get a true discussion. >> host: scott is on the line from silver spring, maryland. >> guest: i am a friend of crystal from years back. -- >> caller: i am a friend of crystal. i am an independent. we would argue on issues. i am a caucasian male and i would there has been a lot of progress for african-americans and she would say there is not
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enough. she was trying to figure out the truth. when i hear a lot of venom toward her, and i will not say i don't always disgragree, but i remember having a discussion about justice chavez and i said that is progress and she said that is not enough. she is trying find a way to make the world a better place. i have had these discussions and they were never heated or turned nasty. she respected my opinion. so i hear these things and i know her and i am thinking to myself they don't know her. she is trying to find the truth. and maybe people can have these discussions respectfully it would be a better place for everybody. that is where i would start. >> guest: thanks, scott. scott makes a good point. i thought about this ever since i was in high school. thought about it and written
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about it because i had personal experiences. i grew up in a home where my parents grew up during segregation and had to sit on the back of the bus, go to separate beaches, couldn't go eat in the same places as white people and growing up in richmond, virginia my father was one of the first to be admitted to the university of virginia dental school i know what racism is and i don't like it likely. none of us are going to understand each other if we don't give each other permission to disagree like scott said. everybody should be welcome to the table. >> host: going to los angeles, california, don line for democrats. >> caller: good morning. i would like to say i agree with some of the things the lady said but not everything. i definitely agree illegal immigration is deadly to the
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black people. los angeles under a black mayor named tom bradley was the first city to declare themselves a sanctuary city. i have to say that when black people vote democratic it is because of certain things that were done polytpolitically befou and i came along that made them gravitate to the democratic party. why did they go to the democratic party? my grand father was a republican but once the civil rights act of 1954 was passed a lot went to the republican party in the dixie craft. that is why so many right ringers are in the republican party. i believe black people are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to democrats and republicans. i feel i am voting for the lesser of the two evils when i am voting. one of them is bad and the other
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is worse. so that is usually what we are voting for. there is no such thing as a perfect candidate. i am leaning more toward bernie sanders this go around because i don't like some of the things donald trump said. he is colorful and entertaining to look at but i would be careful about voting for him. he is arrogant and somewhat of an ego maniac but i guess you to be a little bit to be as successful and rich as he is. no one has said anything about hillary clinton telling an out and out lie about going to cosovo and being exposed in a fire. it was exposed in the media she told an out and out fib. >> guest: hillary clinton also shows a lack of personal responsibility for an an elected official as state secretary
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using a private sevrver and e-mail to evade public scrutiny. don, you bring an important point and i have been critical of the republican party for not going out to try earn the black vote. the republican party needs to make its case to black america but black america can't sit back and expect a political party is going to do all of the work for them. i think it is sad you told me you will vote for a party you feel is less bad or not as worse an the other party. i think that is where we fail. it is a two-way street. it is like the chicken and the egg. black americans need to hold both parties accountable and there is no way to do that if they keep voting single-handedly for democrats. i don't know what kind of trip
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that my friends make but romney tried and mccain tried and there is not much white vote left in the eelectorate. >> aprecate your time this morning on the washington journal. >> when i tune in on the weekend it is usually authors. >> on c-span they can a have longer conversation and delve into their subjects. >> booktv brings you author after author spotlighting the life of fascinating people.
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>> here is a book being published this week. thomas frank argues the democrats have abandoned their values. and we talk about the leadership of putin in putin county. and rightful heritage and douglas brinkly looks at the conservational policy. woodward examines the history of the american struggle between individualism and collectivism. look for these titles in bookstores this coming week and watch for the authors in the near future on booktv. >> mary katherine ham, what is the outrage in the industry you are referring to?
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>> one of things we talk about in this book is that every single thing becomes a thing. it is driven by social media, starts on college campuses, and it is these wrong words at the wrong time that everybody gets into a tizzy about. and i think it ends up becoming a lot of pressure off every day people for how they talk about issues, especially thorny political issues and the risk of having people come after them on tv. that is something people are worried about. >> what is an example of one of those "wrong words"? >> i think there is a bunch of them. we talk about categories of wrong words and it is a whole lexicon of outrage. micro aggression. anything that might offend you for anything is a
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microaggression and it is a way of saying i am offended by something is i will try to shut it down. there is privilege and that is if we don't like who you are we will say check the privilege was we heard enough. and we sort of are told there are plenty of true examples in life. like you should not try to offend people. you should not be rude for no reason. if you are a white man, you should recognize we have enjoyed a privilege place for many generations and they are not enough to justify or shutting down or dismissing someone's point or thoughts which is sometimes how this game works. >> this can get uncomfortable, can't it? writing about it? talking about it? >> that is something we wrestled with when writing it. navigating all of this ourselves and thinking who is throwing the flag on us where. we tried to have fun and be start about it. but we want to encourage people
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to make mistakes and not getting up in arms about it because that prevents the back and forth. every time you talk to someone who disagrees with you you will not communicate about the same things. we have to have ability to deal with the discomfort. >> we had one example where, sort of in the lgbt spectrum of issues, on the t part, transgender, we chronicled a discussion how various people transgressed by using the wrong word and that being deemed as transphobic. we showed it applying to a conservative columnist to dan savage who is a gay rights activist was bombed because he is a trans -- and rue paul, the
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most famous transgender cross-dressing person in america was chastized because she had a segment called you have she-mail. no one is immune from this insanity. >> he is being offended? >> that is one thing we talked about in the discussions. these groups can be small and make a lot of noise. one thing society at large needs to do is respond occasionally with a little bit more hey, your concern is noted, but chill out because not that many are offended by this. we hear the wheel too often and think it is a giant story because it sounds bigger than it is. we need the maturity to say i understand your problem but we will not stop talking about this. >> one of the discussions is it is primarily the political le
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engaging in this. we call conservatives out in the book and also democrats. there is a tendency to shutdown a debate by preventing the debate from happening. we think that is toxic on a country that should thrive in these situations. >> we have people saying we need to teach these guys a lesson and we think that sounds terrible. >> an issue of outrage we have heard in the 2016 campaign is donald trump not responding fast enough to david duke and white supremacy. would that be an example one would find in "end of discussion"? >> we have a whole chapter on race. with donald trump it is funny. he appeals to a lot of people
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opposed to politically correctness. that is one thing that can refreshing about him. there is a distinction between political incorrectness and rudeness for the sake of rudeness. when it comes to the kkk and david duke think, one think that is frustrating, is the left tries to show anything against obama as racist. i think when you are asked a question on national television vision about whether or not you are rejecting the kkk and a well known white supremacy member? there is one correct answer to that based on human decency and that is to reject them immediately and clearly. and the fact he didn't in that interview raised eyebrows for a lot of people >> and there are few things elevated to that level in
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society and overt racism is one of them. we want to say that status should be reserved for really, really awful and important things. not redistributed to every little thing. that is a distinction there. and i think donald trump had a little persistance and progress in the case. he is sometimes off the cuff and politically in correct. he is an interesting dichotomy on this subject. >> what is your relationship how did you get together to write the book? >> we are very close friends. we were hooked up way back in the day by c hewitt who is a booktv mainstay. i was moving to washington, d.c. and she was working here and he said you should hang out.
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we did and hit it off. we found ourselves having conversations about these topics and called them head explosions. and finally we said someone ought to write about this and perhaps it ought to be us and we did. but just friends. >> there is a chapter in here, and i don't know who wrote it, but it is called vagina politics >> that is about the feminist movement and so much is built on saying if you disagree with any part of their political agenda you are not a real woman. that is the disqualification of women there. they will say over and over again stop talking because i
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don't agree with everything. that robs women of their individuality and their quality. >> you talk about the war woman and it doesn't talk about the
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fact that women are split on abortion. and asupposed to it. the economic reasons and the studies behind it they pay woman less than men by their own stupid standard so it is used purely for point scoring.
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>> do micro political issues like that work? >> one of the things in the distraction plays out in this way. it is only in the 2014 electi , election -- >> it is a truthful based way and not complaining about how the sky is falling or all right-wingry. we believe the free exchange of ideas in this issue and cutting down on the demigods has to come
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from both sides. we have to link arms and say let's come together as americans. calm down and little and assume the worst on every issue so we can have a discussion rather than end it. >> you can see guy benson on fox news and mary katherine ham on cnn ask you can by their book "end of discussion" >> here is a look at authors featured on booktv "after words." ej dian argues the republican's party adoption of gold water principles and driving away moderate voters. michael hayden discusses the discussion he made as director of both agencies following the
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events of september 11th. and senator cory booker recounted the people and personal experiences that shaped his political life. in the coming weeks on "after words" former bush justice department official john yew will content that executive power has gone beyond its constitutional limits under president obama. ellen malcolm re-creates emily's list, a political action committee working to elect pro-choice democratic women to political office. and nancy cohen discusses the challenges women face in politics and the potential of a female president. michael eric dyson explores race and the obama administration. >> we look at ferguson with michael brown being killed by the police officer and darren wilson and we have dylan roof
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who murdered nine innocent souls. both from the states obama represents, through the police and their violence toward unarmed black people, men and women, and in the broader society where white racial violence is surging, occurred under the first black presidency and barack obama had to con tend with the ebb and flow of race. >> "after words" airs every sunday. you can watch all previous "after words" programs on our website >> the top coke industries put together a boiler room operation in which they worked with a private eye in new york city to dig up dirt on me. they spent a few months looking
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for anything they could use to discredit me. there are many instances in this book of the koch brothers hiring eyes to dig up dirt and challenge me. they have a huge private company. they are trying to play a major role in america's public life but from behind the scenes and they don't really like it whether one shines a big light on them and that is what i was trying to do. >> host: you say the broiler room was set-up in former congressman jason watts' office? >> that is right. it took time. but i was eventually able to get a pretty good picture of what is going on. it was extraordinary in my experience. i have covered a lot of things but i haven't as far as i know been at a target to discredit me. maybe i should be flattered on some level that anyone would
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take a reporter so seriously. but it was scary in a way. it felt like an effort to ruin me. ... >> it was a badly done operation in some ways, but it's unusual. and it gives you an insight into the hardball that these two brothers who want so much power over american politics have
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played. >> you can watch this and other programs online at [inaudible conversations] >> well, good evening, everyone. this is lovely, always, to get a full crowd like this. my name is doug bradburn, i'm the founding director of the library for the study of george washington, which is where you are, so you made it. congratulations. and it's very exciting to have these book talks, these free book talks.
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they're sponsored by ford. the ford evening book talks. and, of course, the association has never accepted any government money. they've been operating mount vernon since 1860 when they took over the estate of george washington. they were the founders of national store preservation. they're an all-women-run organization to. and it's a great honor to serve that mission to preserve the estate at the highest level and to teach people all over the world about the life, leadership and legacy of george washington. and we couldn't do it without the generosity of important donors like ford. henry ford, as many of you know, gave mount vernon its first fire engine. and we, ever since, have gotten fire engines from ford motor company, and they've sponsored a number of exciting things including this book talk. i'd also like to welcome the
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c-span audience who's filming tonight. we always appreciate when they come out and help to publicize these great events. they're popular, and they're popular on c-span as well. now, we have a very special guest tonight, an old friend to mount vernon and the story of george washington. we have ed lengel who's the editor-in-chief of the washington papers at charlesville. this is one of the most extraordinary scholarly projects of the 20th and 21st century9 to copy, transcribe, annotate all of the correspondence of george washington in a professional manner meant to stand the test of time. it's used by all historians who write on the era.รง of scholarship that's been going on since 1968. and the mount vernon ladies' association have been funders and partial funders of that project since its beginning. in the recent past, we have renewed our partnership. i'd like to think our friendship
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with the washington papers to help them create a comprehensive edition of martha washington's papers as well as other family papers of george washington's family. and ed is really heading up the leadership of those programs as well. and to fully encompass is scope of what they're doing now, they changed the project from the george washington papers project to the washington papers project. so we're delighted to have him here tonight to talk about what he does on the side when he's not doing all that other stuff. [laughter] which is write many, many books. he's an extraordinarily prolific -- i'm not envious at all about this -- [laughter] but, you know, he got his ph.d. in 1998 from the university of virginia, and since then he's published six monographs in addition to all the edited volumes that he's the sole editor on and the project that he manages and the hordes of minions that he has working for him. so he's an extraordinary example of work ethic and discipline and capacious love of writing.
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and he's a wonderful writer and has really developed a great popular style in magazine writing in addition to the scholarly style that he can always bring to bear. so it's a very challenging thing for people who are formally trained in the ph.d. universe to be able to walk out of that sometimes. to get out of those intense conversations to try to look at the bigger picture. and ed is really a master and has become a master at that. but if that isn't enough, the thing that makes him so extraordinary as an historian is he doesn't just write about george washington and the founding era, he writes about world war i and european history in world war i and military history. he's just agreed to write an article, he told me, on the greek civil war. and i said, which one? [laughter] the one in 1944, apparently. what, 1825? no, god forbid. let's do the middle of the 20th century. so he's an extraordinary range, and it's my delight to welcome
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him up here. i've said enough. let's get him up here so he can talk about his new brook, hot off the presses, "first entrepreneur: how george washington built his and the nation's prosperity." ed lengel. [applause] >> well, what doug was trying to say, i think, perhaps not in so many words is that i'm a hack writer. [laughter] but i do try to understand my subject. i do try to be honest about my subject. and washington is an endlessly fruitful subject. as i've found working at the washington papers since 1996. i began as a student now, and it's been 20 years now, and i've been directing the project since 2010. and we changed our name from the papers of george washington to the washington papers very deliberately pause we did not -- because we did not want to offend martha.
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lest it be suggested that martha was in some sense an auxiliary to george or that she operated in his shadow or that her role was in some way to prop him up and to help him to become great. we need to emphasize the fact that she was in herself a very important person. so we thank the mount vernon ladies' association for supporting us in this vast new expansion we began in july of last year to publish the full papers of martha washington in two volumes and the papers of the washington family which will be in three volumes in letter press and then a comprehensive digital edition that will include george's parents, his siblings, martha's children and martha's grandchildren, george's ten children and -- stepchildren
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and stepgrandchildren and our good friend, one of doug's favorite people. [laughter] so first of all, as i begin to talk about george washington as an entrepreneur, i need to give thanks above all for this work, for what's good in it to my good friends, jim and carol porter who are in the audience with us this evening who really developed the idea of writing a book. we had lunch -- or dinner, actually, it was a few years ago, and they pointed out to me do you know there's been nothing written about washington as a entrepreneur-businessman since 1930? and that book, in 1930 by a fellow named ritter, is possibly the dullest book ever written about george washington. [laughter] there's no doubt about it. this thing is extremely dull. i hope that mine is somewhat an improvement. i think it can only go uphill from there.
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of course, a tremendous debt is owed to mount vernon, but also to the work of my colleagues, current colleagues and former colleagues at the washington papers project in virginia. we have been working since 1968. we have remained on schedule, i shall point out, from the very beginning. we are going to be finished eight years from now, and we really will be finished eight years from now. this is not an empty promise. in identifying, securing copies of, editing, transcribing, annotating and publishing every known letter to and from george washington. we've got 70 volumes now. we've got another 16 volumes to go. we're just finishing up the revolutionary war. these are available not only on letter press and online, but free online through founders online. it's very important to emphasize these are available to all of you to peruse and to study, to learn from. i owe a tremendous debt to my
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colleagues on the washington papers for their important work. for the financial papers project, we began three years ago thanks to a grant from the national historical publications and records commission which is the granting arm of the national archives to edit and publish all of washington's financial papers. it is a fascinating, fascinating document for washington, for his family, for the whole community. it's amazing how this collection of his financial papers is not simply a series of ledgers, but it documents the everyday life of thousands of ordinary americans. both free and enslaved. people who were on the mount vernon estate, who were part of the community and interacting from mount vernon to gunston hall to the seat of the fairfax family to alexandria and throughout the region.
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there will be an incredible genealogical tool, incidentally, and will be available freely online beginning at the end of this summer. we began with washington's three main ledger books and have expanded into all of his other account books, receipts, vouchers. one of my friends, the economic historian john mccuster, has suggested that we should not call these simply washington's financial papers which implies that he was a financier, but his business records. but it goes even further than that, because there is public records. as commander in chief of the continental army, all the scrupulous accounts he took as commander in chief and also as president. these were very public accounts, and they're very important documents. so those, working on those documents was -- as well as jim
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and jo carol's idea -- it was this wonderful resource, this new resource that was the genesis of this idea, "first entrepreneur." it's looking at washington through a different lens, seeing a different aspect of this endlessly fascinating man. but also to put washington in the context of his family and into the context of his times and into the context of his nation. and what would become the united states of america. how did he manage his accounts? how did he develop as a farmer and a businessman and an entrepreneur and, as i try to show in my book, how did he take the lessons that he learned and the principles that he emphasized, and how did he apply them to the leadership of our new nation? and how do his lessons and his
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deeds resonate down to this day? it is a fascinating topic. we need to begin looking at washington as an entrepreneur with the washington family. john washington was the first washington to arrive in virginia in 1656. and his idea was to simply load up his ship with tobacco and sail back to england and sell it there. he had no intention of remaining in virginia. we owe the whole future history of our country to the fact that his ship sank. [laughter] he was ready to go. he was going to go back home and, the poor guy, his ship sank. he displayed among the first attributes of the washingtons, and there were many of them, adaptability, flexibility.
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he decides, well, my ship has sank. he complains a lot too. the washingtons are complainers. [laughter] he complains about who's going to pay for this loss. i don't need to get into that. but he is also a very adaptable gentleman, and he decides, well, this is the reality, i've lost my ship, i'm going to make my fortune here. the next thing that he does that is very characteristic of the washingtons is that he marries very well. [laughter] now, i'd like to -- before i go on in this vein -- to talk about good marriages in the washington family. i would like to emphasize the fact that this was not a matter of the washington men looking around in the audience and saying, hmm, where's a good choice for a wife, because the women are waiting there just to be swept away. simply didn't happen that way. the women were also making choices of their own of who they wanted to marry, who was the right man for them.
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we've looked way too often -- and i'll talk about this in the context of martha -- say why did george choose to marry martha? well, because she was very wealthy. well, wait, isn't there another side to this? why did martha choose to marry george? why did the wives of the washingtons choose to -- the women who became their wives, why did they choose to marry the washingtons? it was partly because they understood that the washingtons were very sober-minded, very determined, very focused men, and they were dogged, and they were intelligent, and they were not wasteful. and for the women, of course, part of their goal was to find a man who would be a good partner, who would be a good father to their children as they hoped they would have and who would also manage their estates. when we look at virginia in this period in the 1600s and the
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1700s, there is a tendency to assume that these wealthy individuals of the virginia gentry were complacent, that they had, somehow they had easy lives that they could look forward to a future of comfort and wealth. this was a very volatile period. when a gentryman, a farmer, a planter could, in the equivalent of an instant, lose their entire fortune and find themselves impoverished. and the one thing that was always a threat at their door was debt. debt was the bete noire of prosperity in this period, and i'll get more into that. john washington marries well. he begins to develop his estate, like many washingtons, that's focused in land and people of that time. he's very assiduous, very determined, and he dies young. unfortunately, like many washingtons, i believe john died
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when he was 46. his son, lawrence, died when he was 38. their grandson, augustin, likewise died when he was in his 40s. augustin washington is a fascinating character who we far too often see through the prism of mason lock weems, parson weems and his legends of the washington family and of the cherry tree story. i would venture to guess that if you asked any american whether well-educated or not how they know augustin washington -- and they wouldn't know his first name, by the way, they'd just say george washington's father, how do you know him, well, he's the guy who asked washington, did you chop down the cherry tree. [laughter] and george said, i cannot tell a lie. augustin was much more than that. augustin was a savvy businessman in his own right.
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he was a very careful record keeper. he was a superb entrepreneur. he believed in investment. and he was very creative. he ventured out into other areas of production not just tobacco, but he became involved in something called the principio ironworks. now, what this meant was, among many other things in addition to attempting to grow the washington family wealth, was that the guy was away from home a lot. his first wife died, leaving lawrence washington and another child to be taken care of. and augustin had to go around managing this estate, try to deal with taking care of the children, and he knew he needed to find another wife. and he found one of the most underappreciated women in american history, mary ball or
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mary ball washington as she would later become. very often we tend to make the assumption that, well, george washington didn't like his mom too much, therefore, she must not have been likable. that's very unfortunate, because she was a remarkable woman. this is another case. again, the decision to wed goes in both directions. we can only infer from the documentary evidence what their reasons were. i like to think that with mary deciding -- and she had been single before this and had faced the prospect of a single life for the rest of her life. she was in her late 20s when they got married. at that time, that was regarded just at the verge of a woman's marriageable age. and so she was facing ahead of her probably a life of spinsterhood as it was called at the time. she married augustin, i think, partly because, again, she saw this man as a very sober-minded, very focused and entrepreneurial
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individual. augustin was interested in her, apart from personal qualities about which we can only guess, by the fact that she was tough, she was strong-minded, strong-willed, independent and, above all, he needed a woman who could manage things. who could manage a family, who could manage an estate and who could manage wealth while he was running around doing his own various things and following his own investments. mary ball was all of that, and she had to, when augustin died in 1743, she had to bring all of these qualities to bear in the management of the estate and in the management of her children. her first born being george washington. the decision was made for various reasons, among them being that augustin had died, and there was a lot else to
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think about, that george would not go as his older half brother lawrence had to school in england, but would instead stay at mount vernon and receive his education through tutors and also, i think, very clearly from her. she certainly spent a lot of time with him, talking with him, educating him. as well as the education he received from others in his area. and among the principles that she passed on to him, it's very clear were those very simple principles of thrift, of determination, of hard work, of organization. the washingtons, george washington especially, was a really detail-oriented, organized guy. his older half-brother, lawrence, was not that way. and even augustin was not really that way. george was super organized from an early anal. and that wasn't just -- age.
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and that wasn't just a native personality trait. that was his mom telling him, look, you've got a lot of stuff going on. you've got to be very organized and very careful. and i think, i like to think that she also inculcated in him a horror of debt. i often make the joke that there were two things that george washington absolutely had nightmares about, and one of them was thomas jefferson, and the other one was debt. [laughter] i can't really say which was, which was worse. at this stage he didn't know tom yet, so that would come to haunt his later years. but in this stage, it was debt. and debt was terrifying. again, as i mentioned, the virginia gentry, he saw what would happen to many of his neighbors. you can see it in the newspapers, these lottery ands fire sales of gentrymen going out of business and what would happen. but she was a huge influence on his life. she was also the woman who prevented him from going off to
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sea when he was 14. he resented this in many ways. their relationship became very tense and very problematic later on in life. but, again, part of this was george, you know, his -- he had an irresponsible side to him, but she was constantly keeping it down, and he chafed at that restriction. young george had the great fortune in addition to having a mom who focuses education on things like geometry, mathematics, accounting and the rest, he had the great good fortune of which i am profoundly jealous, that he had a good first teenage job. which i did not. and i'd venture to say most people did not. he had an excellent first table job. teenage job. and he got this through connections with the fairfax family at belvoir. and lord thomas fairfax, the
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proprietor, george's good friend, george william fairfax, whose wife, sally fairfax, george had some sort of a relationship with early on. but his connections with the fairfax family gave him this opportunity to to work as a surveyor. surveying gave him an opportunity to apply his own native abilities -- again, in geometry and all the rest -- but also the experience to learn what it's like to earn money. he began as an apprentice. but then to become an independent contractor and surveyor on his own right. to begin to save that money, earn that money, save that money and invest that money. he had to learn this lesson early on from relatives and/or friends who would try to touch him for loans and then wouldn't pay him back. george washington is not a guy you want to borrow money from
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and then not pay him back. [laughter] believe me. he had -- so we know he had a temper. when money was involved, that temper increased exponentially. so if you don't pay the guy back, he's going to get really mad. so he learned how to judge character from that. but he learned how to invest. when he earns money, as a surveyor, what does he work with? he works with the land. he develops a sense of the land's wealth and richness and potential. and so what does he do with the first money that he earns? he invests it in land and save is the and buys more -- saves it and buys more and more land. also as a surveyor, and i'll mention briefly, during the french and indian war he develops an understanding of
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america and america's potential, america's potential richness and wealth that's not only buried within the soil waiting to spring out, but geographically. the connection of the east coast cities and settlements to the frontier and how the waterways were essential to connecting east to west and how they were potential highways of commerce and trade. he not only goes from east to west during the french and indian war, he goes knot to south and -- north to south and back and forth. he learns a lot about the relationship between the colonies and great britain and the subservient nature of that relationship, which i'll revisit in a moment. he becomes, during the course of the french and indian war -- and although this talk and this book is about washington as an entrepreneur, i think it's important to remember that george washington was a


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