tv Discussion on Combating ISIS- Inspired Attacks in Europe CSPAN March 29, 2016 7:23am-7:44am EDT
speakers -- the third thing is when you're talking about europe and yet three weeks ago a major bomb attack in this temple preceded a few weeks before the by a major attack in ankara. as far as i know the six than in europe as a potential to deliver in japan is certainly a member of nato. that was the product at all today. >> three important points. the latter was about it because we are focusing on europe and we could focus on other attacks around the world. it might be at some point. it's part of nato. it's not part of the eu. there's really nothing to watch there. and if some of these press cases continued it's unlikely that they will be. on the anecdotal piece of it, yes, it wasn't the case that there was a ban on doing searches between certain hours,
and that was removed after the november attacks in paris. and, finally, on the issue of belgian integration, i found it tremendously interesting that in all of my meetings last week local, federal come every level you can imagine, not a single person in your opening remarks to me said anything about the integration issues among the different communities in belgium, about the difficulties of navigating society, except for a friend of mine, an american and belgian who told me parenthetically over dinner about how difficult it is is there something going on, if there's a trash bin for the city thus blocking a driveway, how many phone calls, how many different parts and layers of government, regional linguistic, ethnic, federal community call to get the issue resolved in the neighborhood. so it's a very important point.
>> yes. just one remark. i mentioned the attacks twice in my initial talk, but to be on the community and divided society issue, i think we're talking a lot about communities and not enough about individuals. the individuals who join isis do it, i mean, they do it, by doing a break with traditional islam that the parents practice. they break wit with the traditil western environment of their own family when they are converts and once again they convert to the isis interpretation of islam directly. some individuals among the students and in far greater numbers than those who join tears or positions join the security forces of the different european countries and they played a key role in following and infiltrating some of those
networks. so we should be careful, sometimes referring to communities only and not to individuals and individual trajectories not only has us missed the point in what's actually at stake but eventually place in favor of a more radical who claims a monopoly on defining what the community should be and should do and should be identified and basically on inspired basis which is not what we are looking for. >> thank you. wait for a microphone. >> you know, sometimes in life one should consider briefly a narrative. the whole narrative being -- zero casualties since september 11. in italy on october 12 the day before the october 13 attack in
paris, a type of force arrested 17 people. one was a mistaken identity the other 16 explosives and automatic weapons. >> is there a question? >> the question is if this. the italians have had -- [inaudible] for example, there are no office of counterterrorism, does not exist in italy. the italians in 161 imams in prison. they were -- [inaudible] and they locked them up. >> and the question? >> the question is this, how, come how come these other jurisdictions, the french, the belgians continue to follow the italians was because several european countries have now broken with the pact and if adopted the accounting method. because they do not wish for more to risen.
so the issue is how come you gentlemen have kept talking about these problems as if they were inevitable, impossible, that's the way it is, that's your? italians have zero casualties. 45 battalions have died in mali, bali, new york, paris, belgium. zero in italy. how come nobody pays attention to italian model? zero? >> i which of the i did as a separate italian model. you asked the question. several times so i will answer. having spent time with law enforcement and intelligence in rome, they do a great job. they are not acting alone. they are part of the european union. there's open borders. so there's a big element of skill and there's a big element of luck. god forbid it could be an attack in italy tomorrow. i wouldn't be so brave as to say italy has got it right, the rest of europe has got it wrong.
or other countries that have not had as many attacks there. i wouldn't say it's completely different model. i would also say they are different to the nature of these communities are different in different places. the biggest thing to me in terms of brussels, which we're focusing on because of this week's attacks, is that they've note about these communities were not integrated for a very, very long time. it wasn't a priority, and now they're playing catch-up. they can put in place and get funded the most sophisticated systems and strategies, and it will still take time. so it's thrilling and wonderful that the italians have not had an attack domestically within italy. may it continue. i don't think i would be as bold as you are in sync that it's not going to happen or it's because they found the golden nugget. they are still part of the eu there's lot more even they can do as italian officials told me not that long ago. >> gentlemen, final word?
>> i think it's what i emphasized in my remarks, which is the prevention and go. i think again we are, the united states, catching up to this pretty rapidly now in the need to invest more in prevention, whether at the national, state or local level. and it's not just involving government. it's involving civil society, local leaders, municipal authorities, women, imams. it's a much more horizontal effort across communities and stakeholders, and everyone talks about this. you go to any country including italy, including brussels and belgium. it will talk as if they really believe it. every probably do believe it. the next that is too resource it. i think until we start doing that, it doesn't have to be
through the effort to counterterrorism. it doesn't have to be labeled encounters an issue but i do think more investment has to be made in this area, particularly but not only in europe. so that would be my sort of topline point. >> my last point would be to emphasize the stakes are extremely high, including for the united states and what's happening in europe. u.s. citizens have been killed in brussels. they can be targeted in europe. they can be targeted from europe. and also if you don't succeed in being up to the task, which is a long task of some talk about the generational challenge, the u.s. might have to cope with a very different europe, and have something to bear in mind on this side of the pond. >> belgium doesn't have the largest number of foreign terrorist fighters, not overall, and not in europe.
but you do have the largest number per capita. and so as i think about is what i want to save one final comment, i would say this. one thing that's unique and belgium and elsewhere in europe is that while we do that cases where religion comes radical religion ideology plays a critical role, it's not what we are seeing here. what we are seeing here is that there's a religious peace, but the recruitment of criminals, zero to hero phenomenon is a huge problem. officials in brussels stressed to me multiple times in multiple meetings that there is a religious component that the quote that people said over and over is salafi is mainstream in brussels couple while not every salafi is a terrorist by any stretch, each terrace we're dealing with has been radicalized. maybe, maybe not because a lot of these kids as we set up in radicalized to the idea of
islamic state with anything else. they are not praying five times a day. are still taking alcohol. it's a different type and very, very fast hyperspeed radicalism. and then i would say that this local prevent component that eric has put it is critically important. again the belgians have over the past 15-18 months put things in place. they drink of over 70,000 police officers in the types of things to look for for radicalization. they've trained up over 700 teachers and social workers come people who were in the communities to be able to identify and how to respond and how to interact. they have built platforms that meet once a week or once every other week depending on the platform where people in the local government with the police come with people of the federal police love can meet and discuss things. they do have things in place. finally, i would stress one last time this issue of crime. so much so that the belgians
have two separate lives. when they call their consolidated list, which is for the security by merely terrorism cases of i think it's about 675 persons. they also have a separate list they call for joint information box which is a parallel lives primer for people to know in the criminal context. because so many of these people including abdeslam, we knew him as a petty criminal and so it was going to the mosque and was involved in terrorism but because they find so much overlap, they are looking to consolidate these lists. and that's probably a good idea. >> i would like to thank you all for consulting our insights on this matter. i'm sorry to say we will probably be returning to the subject yet again in the future. [applause] >> thank you both very much. >> thank you. [inaudible conversations]
[inaudible conversations] >> the wisconsin primary is a week away and republican president a candidate donald trump is in the state today for a town hall meeting. wisconsin is a winner-take-all contest for republicans with 42 delegates at stake. you can see that event live at 5 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> from the "milwaukee journal" website, this is a headline for wisconsin gop voters its love or hate donald trump.
joining us on the phone from the walk is bill glauber wrote the story. thanks for being with us. >> caller: thanks very much drama is there anything in the mood for potential trump supporters? >> caller: i don't think so. it really is love or hate. the state is sort of turned upside down about the milwaukee suburbs for the additional republicans are. intense dislike towards trump but the further north you go, the more love it is for trump. it's an interesting race post that in the piece you and your colleagues wrote you like the public of donald trump message is an ever-present soundtrack of the political season, a 24/7 cable news loop resonating with some while alarming others. so based on those who you talk to, who is expressing concern? >> caller: there are voters expressing concern who believe that he's crass, that is not a conservative. he has absolutely i believe one officeholder in the state who
supports them. the rest announced their support are with ted cruz. so there is alarm about what trump can do to the republican party among the more traditional republicans. that's what we are very. >> host: between now and next tuesday with god is the only game in town, 42 delegates. i should look at the calendar over the next six to seven days what can we expect who will be in your state? >> caller: they will all be here. donald trump arrives tuesday in janesville and vignettes and event wednesday in green bay. he has said he will be here all week. john kasich and ted cruz also said they will be here. and what event to watch, trump is not yet there yet but the other two are. a friday night fish fry in milwaukee. it's a traditional stop with the republican faithful, and ted cruz and john kasich have committed to come there. that should be very interesting. and trust me in wisconsin, fish fries are very big.
>> host: let me ask you about tomorrow's event the install done of house speaker paul ryan. is that significant what is the reasoning to begin this effort in janesville? >> caller: he could be popular in that part of the state come even though it's in the southern part. janesville is sort of the land of the old reagan democrats. there was the gm plant that was there for better part of the century. it shut down several years ago. there was high unemployment in the area. the area has come back but trump could make some inroads there. trump has said in a series of interviews to in wisconsin he gets along with house speaker. so i don't think is trying to come in and send a message in the speaker's backyar backyard k he backyard i think he i is just like your comment there and pull votes. >> host: you talk to a lot of people your story which is able online, including ray acosta.
why is he supporting donald trump? >> caller: ray acosta is sort of a new thing. he is an obama supporter but he voted for obama in '08. got turned off with politics. skipped a couple of local and national elections but now he is back. is actually voted for trump along with his wife during in person absentee voting in a suburb of milwaukee. what he said was trump, he says what he thinks and what other people are thinking. so he likes sort of that plainspoken brash talking donald trump. >> host: whatever recent polls that don't get about republican primary in your state? >> caller: recent polls by some out of state pollsters have shown that ted cruz is in the lead come a very small lead. just mumble outside the margin of error. but they keep all to look for is wednesday when the marquette university law school that has
been pulled into for the last, since 2012, they will come out with purple and i think that's the one to watch. it will set a baseline for what's going to come. it's not going to be predicted because of course there's six more days of campaigning or 60s to devote after wednesday. but it's going to be a key pole to watch for and that when will set the tone for the rest of the race. >> host: another key factor, you're governor scott walker who ran for president rita, will he endorse this week? >> caller: walker has indicated he will endorse buddies holding his power i would say probably until after the marquette university law school pole. if he does endorse he wants to make maximum impact. he has indicated that ted cruz might be his guy but you can't predict that. you just have to wait and see. will it make a difference? i think with republican base it might. but with the wider electorate of course it will not.
he is down about 40% from 39% favorability in the state now, let me go back to point about the demographics of wisconsin. as results come in next tuesday night will we be looking for with regard to donald trump, governor kasich in santa cruz? where do they each need to do well if they're going to win wisconsin? >> caller: i think in the northern part of the state there's three congressional districts. i think trump should do well up there. in the southern part of the state there's a swath of five congressional districts. you would think that ted cruz would do well there. i believe john kasich is making a play for the area just outside of la crosse. that's about how to territory, that's how you found out in the state and that's how it looks. the other thing that the viewers should know is that in wisconsin it's an open primary. you get a ballot and on the ballot will have both republican
and the democratic races. you make a check with either republican or democrat, and that's where you will vote. so you don't kno know how much s over voter this going to be, if there are those so-called reagan democrats might normally vote democratic, if he leapt into the republican primary. also expecting a turnout of about 40%. very high for a primary, so it should be very interesting. >> host: all eyes on wisconsin primary next tuesday. bill glauber was followed it for the "milwaukee journal sentinel" joining us from wisconsin. thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> caller: thank you so much. >> this is my first election i've been participating in. i think it's important to be involved, especially with an intimate or i know a lot of people have been voting, since more the norm.
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