tv Panel Discussion on Race in America CSPAN April 1, 2016 12:02am-12:59am EDT
once were on the path what can we do ourselves to bring ourselves to a point? we need to put ourselves =-equals-sign. >> another ill correctly want this to be a solution oriented and i agree with that. i'm inspired by the activism by a lot of young people, black, white, asian and latino in the black lies matter movement because i think it's moving the right way. but they're incredibly savvy about using images and media and
social technology in order to frame the problem. in a more constructive way. when he you think about the last year where we have gone from -- it's not because there images, we've had images of please beating black people since rodney king. that's nothing new. what's new is the activists have been able to use these images to focus attention to start a conversation. i think you need a forum. that's that's a conversation we need to have. i think it's a process. it's powerful, i think just as
we made this country we went from slaves and justice we had a successful civil rights movement making it go undercover it to go away but we made it go undercover again we can make progress in this area. it's awkward to lead to a utopia, get i'm not coming up with specifics because i'm trusting this process will help us understand where we need to go. >> also have an issue where two or more people need to come to a place where we are comfortable listening to people who are on the other side of that racial divide and not prescribing necessarily our own sort of pathology to their motivation. i think a lot of the recent we have a donald trump because someone very popular is because
before a lot of white americans there is a sense that the language of race has become all about political correctness and limiting what they are able to comfortably stand public. that they don't don't even necessarily feel comfortable confronting issues of race across the racial divide for fear of as he said the racism has become one of the worst things you could say to someone. there is a lot of raw feelings attached to that notion. i think we become unable and i don't think the country's never been truly integrated when you look at groups of friends, they're still divided by race, or school system is still segregated. you have the public school system now which is becoming majority in the place where minority kids are educated. you go to a place like selma, only 2% of white children are in public schools. the vast.
the vast majority are being sent to private school. so were so segregated in our lives that people don't feel comfortable having basic conversations. we need to be come more comfortable with having uncomfortable conversations with people. so to be able to explain your point of view without being in combat. were the only truly racial democracy andelieve me other countries are not winning at this. look at europe and see how they failed to integrate north africans into fans france or great britain where people can never become french no matter how generations there been there. there is a possibility here but i think it starts with people being brave and eric thought all he met when he said were nation of cowards. he said people are afraid to talk about race. they're afraid to talk about the issues which
we disagree because they're afraid of how will be perceived. i think think we need to develop more ability to just talk. >> the issue is you want to talk about it but how can you talk about race that is so passionate and so real for so many people without having the emotion. hat how can you talk about race with taking the emotion out of it? >> let's get president obama credit to this degree is that he understood, how difficult it would be, he he knew the racial fatigue of white america. he tells that tremendous story in the audacity of hope that making a powerful point but a white guy leans over and says you know, the problem is that every time i listen to state senator x, y, and z, i feel whiter. so by which obama implicitly took credit by suggesting that his more equitable and morally equivalent race speech did not
make right people feel guilty. that is something to be said that it's important. the problem is the following though, when you are a minority in this country, racially, sexually, even religiously, but i i think mostly in terms of color at this point, you have to hear stuff in tv and radio that is outrageous before you brush her teeth in the morning. negroes have discovered to be as pathological now it's 50 years ago. then the next report is about how jacked up you all are. how messed up your culture is. how how you are addicted to violence, women don't take care of their kids and on and on. relentless proselytizing and property in the name of neutral news media which is reproducing the pathology of this notion that black people are somehow the problem. but when many white americans
hear things that are negative about them, they shut down, black folk just got a sink because where we can ago. were right there in the country, we have stuff we don't really like, but we are conditioned even when white folks say, just criminally insane, are ignorant things about african-american people, we are conditioned to stay and listen even if we disagree. one of the forms of white privileges exit. one of the forms of white privileges denial. it is to pretend that what he said is not true and go to my neighborhood that does not contain the contaminants that have to be dealt with. so this is the problem with brock obama making moral equivalency between what white folk over here gotta do and what black folk over here gotta do, i do think think it's honest not to fall back on jargon. let's look at fresh new language that may be able to re- describe the problems that we confront
together and to ask white brothers and sisters to take some responsibility. if barack obama in the last 16 months whatever he is left could say to wait america say you can tell me i haven't been four. while white folk to step up to and i want you to take responsibility. he's done that in part at that remarkable press conference with the japanese premier when he says about pretty great, when i walmart burns up that we get all mad about it, and working to say what happens that were going to pledge that we have commitment to the relief of that suffering and then were point to go back to business as usual. if you want an equal society you can to it. that's as close as he got to say white america, stepping up on black people. why do you think he kept repeating, you know black people and making it up. because white america thinks that were racially diluted that were making up stuff. now that the camera prove it in
the plant evidence, that is happen one time on tape it has happened 1000 times off of tape. my point is this brock obama, i think if he is going to be serious and using the bully pulpit can encourage white americans to speak more honestly and openly about the issue of race. yesterday my class was from slavery to michael brown and we read a book called they left marks on us about testimonies of racial violence from emancipation to before world war i. i have students present, to white students. one said the following. this is not what i wanted. i wanted. he said in my presentation i must admit to that it made me ashamed to be white. now i don't want my students to be ashamed to be white but i want them to be ashamed of some of the things done in the name
of whiteness and to grapple with the historical impediments of the flourishing of african-american people in a democratic nation. when you take that kind of responsibility then we empathize with the other. they said the problem with white folk made with black folk in the real air they made is they put us behind them. black survival was dependent upon how white folk acted. we know how they think and react, we know what they're up against, we know how to placate him real nice and smile and then behind, on the other hand she said white folk don't know anything about our culture and as a result of that that ignorance is lethal. if the president can invite us to have that conversation his legacy would be bananas. [applause]. >> will take one last question.
[inaudible] when you talk about the backs of african-americans would call him slave immigrants now and workers now. i will say this, -- i have a problem when i hear an everyday i'm questioning president and principles of the administration say we are nation of immigrants, immigrants or slaves. native americans exactly as well. so you're exactly right. you have to remember the totality. and i'm going to thank my panel
so much for coming. let's give give them a big round of applause. >> what should've happened and michael brown's case in ferguson. there are encouraging developments with regards to things that can make a difference. things like the police having body camps, that will make a difference. the fact that you have to respond, the military surplus from the pentagon to use on american citizens, that program has been changed in part because of president obama. there are encouraging developments. when you look at michael ferguson there also some of the problems. the the ferguson
police arrested a guy named michael for giving false information because he told him his name was mike. or filed the police that he was being beat up by the boyfriend when the cops got there the boyfriend was gone, the police looked around and said looks like he lived here, does he and she said yes. and they said you're under arrest because he's not listed on the occupants and lists. the ferguson police are using it as a slush fund. so there's nothing on constitution or legal about that. so the question is, if it's true that white supremacy that identity as a nation, that we are built on exploding african-american people, we have to think about what racial justice would do to our identity as a nation.
i don't know the answer. we have to to have conversation about whether free-market or capitalism are consistent with our vision of racial justice. and to the woman who asked what should you tell black boys. the one thing you should seize don't forget about black girls. they can enter the criminal justice system just like girls do. talked about the average net worth of a black family, the average network of a nonmarried black woman is $100.
>> will the white establishment diminished the accomplishments of brock obama a? it will be very difficult. two terms which is a very small number of them. the idea of passing health care reform which is a 100 year project of the democratic party. the end of osama bin laden, i think the president has enough accomplishments that it will be difficult to keep them out of the top ten and a fourth course be in the first african-american president. i think all all be very hard to diminish him in history. in terms of what could be done to change some of the other questions, i want to bring back to my profession of the new media. i think for too long we operated with fundamental notions that are wrong. we tend to be open and to open of the state. and that's is not a clue the place. so when we are told a man was shot after altercation with a police officer in which you try to take his taser, we should just buy into that. we could be embarrassed to find out that he's walter scott shot dead running away in the taser was
jott near his body. we have to take more time and not give the benefit of the doubt always to the state. i think that's part of the problem we have. i think for white america one of the things brock obama can do is stop postcard in civil rights. it's not something that happened in the sixties. it's it's an ongoing and ever present struggle and for african-americans it's not a thing in the past they're bringing up. it's the the thing that happened this morning. so we can stop thinking about it and start empathizing with their fellow citizens who can't walk across the street without being afraid, can't send their kids to the corner store without being afraid. not of some local person of robbing them but of the police. that's very serious and undermining condition for society. we have a substantial number of individuals -- and yes we would have to do -- and from keeping
more franchise. the political self-interest is to diminish the number people who can vote against you and get you out of your job which pays you hundred 74000 a year. so i think we need to start thinking outside the box. understand that what people are talking about race they're not bringing up some historical fact from 100 years ago, the bringing up what's happened to their children now. they're telling their. they're telling their son tonight to be careful of the police. we really get afraid when a police car gets behind us not because were delusional but the incidence of police killing are never ever followed by prosecution. last week -- police officers don't want the guys in there because they threaten them too. they can even tell on back cops because they're afraid that they won't get backed up at a robbery in their lives will be in danger. we need to have prosecutors have the courage to actually take cases to trial. if you had someone read no
interest in pursuing the case and allowed the officer to investigate himself then he showed no interest in giving the appearance of caring about or even considering prosecution. those people are elected officials you still have the right to vote however the supreme court. use what's left [applause]. >> a great point by both of the speakers, black boys, love them. as a protection against the inevitable and unavoidable salt upon their being. love them so thoroughly that they will love the hell out of themselves and that we will squeeze the resistance of the greatness out of them. one of the great marks of what it means to be black in this country, under a spell of a certain believe that we are inferior is the belief that we should snuff out geniuses and black talent.
we think that we have to be competitive against it as opposed to collaborated with it. that's one of the most vicious consequences of what was spoken about in terms of white supremacy and teach them to love and respect women and teach them well. in terms of obama the dude save the automobile industry, he he gave the american recovery act bill out, he also gave us a obama care. then he save the economy. i know a lot of people are pissed and they said will what about wall street and main street. if the first black president comes in and the headline reads, obama allows the bank to fail and the economy is going to hell, and ain't much more after that that's going to be written about that brother right there for your so he was in a difficult position and he did what he had to do. i think think you'll be seen as a black reagan. i think brock obama will be seen
as one of the greatest presidents within the history of this country of being the first african-american will give him even more icing on top. -- is very beautiful what he was trying to do to engage people to think seriously about race. deal with white supremacy at the same time. in terms of the young baby asking the question about biracial, the most brilliant question asked, if by racialism is an advantage to some people yes. when you live in a country that that privileges the white side of the black white diane, inevitably people think you got pretty hair, got good hair, he got fair skin you're more of the ideal of what it means to be beautiful. that's not the person's fault who happens to be biracial. that's a sickness of a culture that only privileges one form of beauty.
being dark, in the parklike park is is a beautiful thing as well and i think we should celebrate that as well. some biracial people like barack obama have to work harder because they did not have black privilege. lotta black people are born with a black privilege. when he said i don't need to read malcolm x. because i'm black, biracial people do not have the advantage of black people they have to learn their way. when i have students were not african-american in my class and i tell them you can't just come appearance just because you black, be black, black, no black there is no assumption. that's not anastomosis by which you can absorb it you have to read the damn book like everybody else. it's important to do so because when you do it you can perpetuate a legacy of fighting
i will tell you what the consequence, a big bowl of jell-o and the man who promoted it now sees the horrible consequences of the alleged activity. that is the ultimate logic of respectability politics in america. you must understand, it might've been chocolate city but it's awful vanilla right now. justification is real. justification of the city is powerful. i'm not saying we should invite everybody in but urban renewal met negro removal and until we grapple with that consequence of our urban demography we won't see help black people are being drained from the spaces. i will end by saying this. i love brock obama.
i love what he represents. i love the beauty of his family. i disagree with him on some things but if we love them spiritually, we must call to him as asked. what would drs. king say to you and what would he recommend? he said doctor king would hold us accountable to the principles of democracy and the struggle of our people and as a result of that he said change doesn't haven't from the top down but from the bottom up. how we going to be mad as by people. will we hold him accountable, we know the vicious right wing that's even more reason for him to stand up for us for him to love us in time. at the funeral for reverend we
ate heard no pull your bootstraps up or lift yourself up by your bootstraps. we hadn't heard any thing but on adulterated black love and that's the most beautiful thing a black person can do. reinforce the value of all black lives. if black lives matter, all black lives matter. >> we have books for sale. i am very thankful for this very inclusive and civil dialogue that we had tonight. it was a discussion that some people believe, but you can talk about it. you can about it civilly. people have written about it. did you enjoy the conversation?
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he has received numerous awards including the spirit awards in the california legislature. he has published two books, political cartoons on immigration. our second panelist today, our second panelist is doctor linda. she specializes in feminism, race theory. she was recognized as a distinguished woman philosopher by the philosophical associatioe her newest book, the future of whiteness. our third panelist today is dr. baptist.
he is at the cornell universityh in specializes in history. he is also the author ofev numerous articles and books including creating an old south, middle florida's plantation frontier, new studies in the history of american slavery and his nearest book our final panelist today, he is a professor at the university of northern name. he studied the history of colonization. he received a huge number of awards in his career so far. his written a dozen books including 1492 the work year the world began in the spanish
history of the united states. please welcome our four distinguished palace. i will begin with a question fo] lilo. how do illustrations convey messages in a way that prose cannot. >> i'm glad you asked that. cart we move mountains to get the computers to work.hink illustrations and political cartoons, i think they're the ultimate sucker punch. when people send me hate letters, i've already won the argument because unless they're sending me a hate letter with a better cartoon i'm already
inside that person's head forever. i've already ruin their day. o both the questions you were going to ask me, what can illustration convey and what are cultural influences in my world. so if i get this magic mouse to work, i will show you. [applause]. you might recognize this as acute version except that's a fascist up there. so again i draw from the rich vs visual and the treasure trove of
visual from mexico and also, nit here's when donald trump hosted saturday night live and there were still no latinos because there were no latinos on saturday night live. really this one really doesn't need a caption or word bubble.hter] caption that you can't see down here says mexico built the wall for free [applause]. the historian knows exactly thep boundaries of the map that i'm drawing from. it's around 1820 or 1840, around there.pinata. [laughter] the number one thing of course in mexico and the u.s.r
finally the best-selling halloween costumes last year were donald trump and el chapo. [applause]. and finally, what you can say with a picture that you can't say with words words -- [applause] done. oh, yeah. did i answer it? [laughter] 'cuz each of those was a 1,000-word answer, right? each of those was a thousand word answer dr. alcoff whose new book is called "the future of whiteness." and i was wondering if you could comment on how the concept of whiteness has changed over time and what it means today. >> it's changed a lot over time
over who is included, right? i mean, we know that southern europeans and jews were not include. it's still uncertain whether latinos are included. some are, perhaps, some aren't. but the meaning of whiteness from the beginning incorporated an idea i call vanguardism, that whites were the vanguard of the human ra the meaning from the beginning inc. an idea that i call vanguard is him. i think it's a white exceptionalism.int of
what's changed today as whites can no longer presume that there point of you will go unchallenged. our cultures are moree diversified than they ever have been so that more more white people, because of the demographic changes that are happening, a lot of white people live and work and go to school t him majority minority areas or areas at least in which they care about the points of others were not white. [applause]. >> that came down from white command. is illusearly trump who is my brother from queens. he doesn't represent all white people.
the ideals he expresses is not uniform across the white population of places like the united states today. we have diverse public cultures and more more white people know how events are going to be seen or might be seen by nonwhites and not just by whites. there's a kind of double consciousness, i think, or triple or quadruple consciousness in the way population today in which you might tell a joke and then wonder how that might be seen by others or you might be aware of a slogan like make america great again, what does that mean,ic again again?he when was it great foruo african-americans when there were racial quotas in
immigration or legal gender discrimination. more and more white people realize that it's looking like make america great again has a particular constituency in mind and it's fudging with the facts of history. so, it's that that sense that these the rings have different meanings and we are all aware of those different meanings that these slogans have in our neighborhoods and populations. it means that it's changing, sort sort of like a hundred years ago when southern a lot europeans were led into the club and some of those brits were not too happy about the italians an jews coming into their country club. it took 50 year battle to reallo create a large enough whitete community that would be inclusive is inclusive of those other kind of whites are borderline whites.
today we are in similar kind ofe torment over what does it mean to be white and not be in charge. what does it mean to be white and not be able to assume cultural dominance of the oscars or political dominance of the government. what does it mean to be white and be one among of others. that's what's going on today. i think it's the elephant in thh room of our political electoral debates and events like we saw the other night in chicago. i think there's a lot of avoidance and denial and there's a lot of people who are uncomfortable talking about racm who are not sure how to talk try to make about being white in a way that doesn't come across as being antiwhite. i tried to write the book to make it safe to talk about these issues and, if i could say say one last thing, i think the current situation in the demographics challenges that were facing are causing three
elements or phenomena. one is this white hysteria and reaction that we see with trump and so forth but that's not the only phenomena. the other one is this diversification of the publicc sphere which is a good thing so we can actually begin to talk across our communities and comeh to terms to a better understanding of what is the true history of the united states? s how do we incorporate slavery in the annexation of mexico. and genocide in all of these things into our clip div histors in a way that makes sense to all. i think a third element that's happening is that the wages of whiteness are falling. there's lower wages, more precariousness, uncertainty of people being able to keep theirp
homes and the social contract that gave white people in advantage in this country and made them feel like they could have a decent living and support their families is now under threat. this is what people like trump are appealing to. he is promising to renegotiate the trade deals and to kick out the mexicans and to keep out the muslims so he's offering a racist answer to the real economic plight. i think this gives an opening. there needs to be a response, a counter narrative to trump that is directed to those large segments of the population who are experiencing economic threat and we need a counter analysis that will show a way out of this without racism that tells a more
honest story about how we actually lost that wealth andro how they can make coalition to improve their living conditions for the future. >> what about social scriptionn? to whiteness. can you talk about joining the club. all the example youth given us are about people whose whiteness has been endorsed by others. again, i'm familiar with a lot of cases and the people who describe themselves and he tells the story of his encounter with the black king who said to him, the trouble with my people is that they don't understand white guys like us.and to
>> he thought himself as a remeb recruit and to judge from the way he responded, he thought it was great. we we recruited another guide to our side. a similar case happened when the british troops arrived with the british empire. those in charge said i'm so glad you have arrived. and so really glad to see you because i'm used to being the only white guy here. then again, they form this band
together in spite of a very big difference in the pigmentation. doesn't that happen? how does that fit into your picture?ual >> it's not about pigmentation. it is contextual.es you might be seen in one way in one community and another way and another community. many latinos and mexican experience that, but it's not just about how the individual sees themselves.'s we could be mistaken about our history and how we actually operate in the social world. it's also about how your scene by others. sometimes others can see you better than you can see yourself the way others see you is going to have a huge impact on your job prospects in your educational success and so on and so forth. so, i think we need both to
attend to the subjectivity and t the objectivity.hologists there's been research that show the differences of political power and economic power and tht social psychology has been showing there's a different way of interacting. we have with other people, that white people also often have different habits and practices who we pay attention to, whose t books we read, who we attend to, who we, who we take seriously, who we give credibility to and how we interact informally and formally. social psychologists can now document this to show even if you think whiteness really doesn't have anything to do with you, you can be operating in the world and interacting in the
world in a way that fits thess pattern so i think this has to be brought to consciousness so we can begin to unravel and change it.today had >> thank you so much. dr. baptist, i was wondering if he could draw on the research from your book to tell us how you think america would lookeal today. >> to answer this question i would really like to have that map back. [laughter] that would really be helpful. sa do you want me to answer just about the united states or do you want to assume that the trade across the atlantic never happen? >> yes, that would be great. slavery doesn't just take place in the new world and the united states. it takes place in the caribbean and south america in every country that exist today.de fro