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he went on to talk about food shows with the biggest hamburger. i mean, maybe he's talking about society in general. >> guest: yeah. i don't have a problem with consumerism. the american consumer supports the world's economy. if americans started living only on what they need and not what they would like, then the unemployed around the world would starve to death. thank god for the american consumer. see, he makes the world go round. i would add another thing. while, obviously, i am not a big fan of ostentatious consumption, i am not. in fact, i'm against it. nevertheless, i think people should know because i've studied good and evil my whole life. lenin, who was the father of evil of the 20th century, he is the father. he created the terror state that then later was adopted by hitler and mao and stalin, obviously,
following hitler. lenin was an ascetic. lenin was the last -- he was not, he was not a consumerist. he didn't buy much. he denied himself pleasure. i, i'm scared of people generally -- not all. a catholic priest that takes a vow of poverty, i respect that tremendously. but when people say, you know, oh, i don't want anything, i'm a little worried. i want my children to want to make a home and take care of a family and, yes, and have a picket fence and two dogs. what is mocked by the left, i don't mock. i think it's a beautiful aspiration to want to make a beautiful home for yourself, your spouse and your children. ..
frankly the gods that i see especially the abraham religions are cartoons. i understand an affable can't disappoint the sky. but god is an affable by definition. he's infinite. he is not mortal. he or she or it is not limited, but we have turn to god into this cartoon. we can see how that has really unfortunately that's why people who think, liberals, reject that very cartoonish god, that god
that justifies very unchristian politics of yes consume, consume, consume. i could go on and on but i'm going to stop because he has some interesting ideas. it's just that to me for anyone to call themselves a christian cannot see that love is at the core of christianity and not see that jesus christ himself rejected the capitalism a type of consumption that mr. prager seems to elevate above all other good news to me kind of blind. i will stop. >> host: june in -- >> guest: just for the record i'm a jew, not a christian. nevertheless, i don't believe that george washington, john adams, james madison and almost every great figure in history believe in a cartoon. that dismissal is very common
today. people have a dismissive attitude towards those of us who believe in the god
of the bible, and you are certainly free to have that belief but it is not cartoonish. it is indispensable that there is a god who demands that we be good people and to who we will have to enter, as the best idea ever developed for the creation of decent people. i would like everyone walking along here to field that their behavior -- to feel -- toward other human beings is just like god. i don't know why that is objectionable. i really don't. i can't think of a better idea. to think that i want through life having to be a good person and that god expects me to be good, why does that make people like the last caller angry so much so that he calls what we believe in a cartoon? it's a puzzle to me, frankly.
i deal with them on the radio show, i deal with it
in e-mail. i can only say that this is what -- it has presented a cartoonish caricature of what we believe in. and then say we believe in the cartoon that they have caricatured. >> host: next call is jacob in fayetteville, georgia. jacob, you're on booktv. hello. >> caller: thank you so very much. i have one quick concern or question. in the books we talked about, there is so much murder of the folks who are not jewish. i can't understand why is there, i mean, there is more killing in those books than any of the books that are written about a god tight. would you please, you know, just
sure why that is? entire villages -- >> host: are you referring to the five books of the torah we spoke of earlier? >> caller: right. >> host: thank you, sir. tragically very fair question and i don't want to interrupt the caller. >> guest: if there were a law in those five books that said jews, you must kill those who don't believe like you, i would cease to be a believer. it there were just one such verse in the entire hebrew bible i would cease to be a believer for i would not have written in this book. i would opt out of my religion. there isn't a hint of the notion that a should kill a non-jew. that jews conquering canaan,
conquered it in a warlike manner, yes, that is a every place on earth was ever conquered. that is what happened but there was no suggestion that you kill people who don't believe as you do. there is no such a suggestion to contact the bible goes out of its way to say you cannot go into canaan until they have become so evil that they deserve to be taken over. when the amount and the evil was child sacrifice. that's how bad they were. >> host: what's the secret to being a successful radio talk show host? isn't a wide variety of interest? >> guest: i've given up a lot of thought. i've been on for three for your site just, i earned the right to answer your question. this is not necessarily reflect on me but it reflects on really all of my colleagues coming to the people i don't agree with.
the first thing, interestingly enough, the first thing is you must constantly be interesting. to be totally honest in giving you an answer. you can be brilliant, you can be anything wonderful, but if your not interesting, people will tune you out. they have thousands of other options in different radio stations, and listen to books, listening to music, talking to a friend on the phone. it's endless. so the first rule when young people say to me i'd like to be a talk show host, how would i know i can do it? i say very easy. go into a room, sit alone for three hours and the interesting. if you can do that, talking to the wall for three hours, you have a chance. >> host: center is calling in from olympia, washington. please go ahead with your question or comment for dennis rader. >> caller: you and i, we have to be twins.
i spend every weekend on booktv. i'm a book called. >> guest: that's right. we have good company with each other. >> caller: i agree. i'm astonished. i am. i'm not able to reach you on the radio here, although i listen to rush on occasion but i urge in the past. i've been, oh, golly, i've been interested since i was three years old, okay? growing -- >> guest: you have been what? >> caller: i have been missing person since i was three years old and growing at it. it was the nature of her family. i grew up learning. i got a good education. my education was in high school. i went to college and i was pretty disappointed and it was a
pretty fair college, but they're just beginning to turn at that point. my religious history, my philosophical, political history goes way back. i am still nominally a republican, but i'm looking around. am also looking at the libertarians. i think they're coming along. but as far as -- yes. >> guest: let me write it for me to the point, let me react to the point you made about college. because this was a very important part of my own realizations here, religious and otherwise. when i was in graduate school at columbia, i realized i had so many bright professors, but -- i hate to say this, i was taught a lot of johnson. for example, i was at the school of international the shares at the russian institute. i studied the cold war, and i
was taught that the clinic was as responsible for the cold war as stalin and khrushchev and brezhnev. and i thought, you've got to be kidding. how could you teach something, a totalitarian empire is as responsible as a democratic society for the cold war? and then i was taught that men and women are basically the same to the boys are just as happy to play with dolls and religious is happy to play with trucks if you would only give them those specific items to play with. and i realized this is ridiculous. i'm being taught nonsense. and it's gotten worse since i was there. it's gotten worse. and then one day i was walking around my campus in columbia and i was puzzled, why am i learning so much nonsense by so many intelligent people? and then a verse that i learned in jewish school as a child
came, just came out of nowhere into me, and that is wisdom begins with fear of god. and i realize all, my god, there's a wisdom in columbia because there's no god in columbia. and there's brightness. there's intelligence. there's a facts at columbia. there's knowledge but there was no wisdom. and there is no wisdom i enlarge. there were exceptions, some wise professors but as the universities have left their original god bases, which is what all of them had, they have become less and less wise, and more and more, imbecilic or idiotic. that's the truth. i say with the sadness. i did realize that it's very hard come if you believe everything is relative, there is ultimate truth, no ultimate
utica it is the ultimate mobile become everything you see individual, the look of the arts. look at what happened to the arts when god died. we went from michelangelo and we went from mozart, and a look at what they have come here in southern california. there is a gigantic sculpture in the front of the museum of art in orange county, and the sculpture is of a dog lifting his leg and he. it is symbolic in the extreme of what has happened to the arts. ththe ugly, eschatological the ugly, the scatological, deborah means related to excretory functions, to one of the biggest awards jiminy for sculpture for art was given to an artist who sculpted a policewoman crouching and urinating, even the puddle is a sculpted. and backup one of the biggest
awards in germany. this is what happens when god dies. so does humanity. >> host: we are at the "l.a. times" book festival on the campus of the university of southern california talking with author and radio talk show host dennis prager. they are our drums going off. there are dogs barking. there are people shouting, people walking by. i hope you here a little bit of that, but hopefully you were hearing our conversation more importantly. paul in spokane, washington, go ahead. >> caller: hi, dennis. i appreciate you coming on. it's a pleasure to talk with you. i was, i heard about you through several other sources. i identify as kind of a vincent pirro conservative you might say, i am an evangelical -- ben shapiro. westminster confession to i believe that the 10 commandments
apply though image of the way. i wasn't aware you were jewish though until just now. so by a regional question was -- so my original question was do you tend to lean towards or side with evangelical dominion us? i don't agree but i just wanted your take on it. >> hosting before we hear from mr. prager, what is a ben shapiro conservative? [laughter] >> caller: i listen to a lot of ben shapiro and i agree quite a bit with this statement. i like that new young conservative movement, it's a real shot in your. and a lot of what he says makes sense. teaches very logical, very brave and very forthright. postbank thank you very much thank you very much. of course, ben shapiro was on this program last year. but go ahead, mr. prager. >> guest: and he does a lot of good work.
the dominionism, and i worked for evangelicals and i personally with evangelicals and evangelical theology. the dominionists as i understand them is that the group would like to see america become a theocratic, or is not just a charge that anti-evangelicals make a? i'm not familiar. >> host: he is gone. .com is kind of. >> guest: to bed. in general, i would say he, i have a tremendous amount of sympathy for evangelical christians. we don't see theologically completely eye to eye, obviously. but i use of the term judeo-christian values, not judeo christian theology. there is no judeo-christian -- there are judeo-christian values. this country was founded on them. the christians who founded america were deeply judeo-based.
margaret thatcher was deeply such. she said western culture is judeo-christian. >> host: a couple of state laws have gone into effect, or not come into effect in north carolina, mississippi, georgia vetoed it. it's about bathrooms. it's about gender equality. it's about, what's it about him in your view? >> guest: it is first and foremost about religious liberty. so, for example, if i am a photographer and you're going to have a same-sex wedding or a gay wedding as it is often called, and you want me to be the photographer and take part in the wedding and i say, look, i would happily have you sit down and take your photo for your wedding. i would happily take your photo for anything you wanted, but to participate in an event that violates some of my core values, one of which is that marriage has been said definitionally by
god to mean the union of one man and one woman to ask you to understand, i can participate in that event. there's been a lot of i think underreporting. the people that i followed, the cases i have followed, i think louisiana and i washington and oregon and elsewhere, it was always opposition to anything, not a person. the baker in one case always baked cakes for gay customers. that was never an issue. and by the way, i would be opposed. you cannot bake a cake because you don't like someone's sexual orientation. that to me is a given. but asking me to bake a cake for an event, i don't, i don't, forget religion giunta we should have the liberty to say, look, i will bake a cake for you but i am morally, i'm morally opposed to your event. i can say pro-choice baker said
i can't bake a cake, or i can't be involved in your pro-life rally. please don't ask me to do that. and i would say, you should have the liberty to say i can't be forced by the state to participate. i keep emphasizing an event that a fundamentally oppose. america is based on the attention. it is a tension between liberty and religious liberty, and certain act of decency and equally. it is a tension. but to dismiss everybody as a hater who thinks that i need to preserve my right to live by by religious scruples, that's a very dangerous movement in american life. >> host: next call comes from fountain hills arizona. go ahead. >> caller: dennis prager, i'm the biggest talk radio had across all the am dial and you
were so be the best. may i borrow a phrase endeavor to make you think a second time, even better to make you laugh. being my favorite contemporary -- because my faith is wrong with catholicism and my philosophy is libertarianism, for i believe in free will and free markets, faith and reason are two sides of the same coin. in god i trust. so mad quickly say i don't worship man's law, but god's law. so speaking of god's commandments and keeping them safely, a quick a two-part question. how is labeling -- [inaudible] not born amongst us in illegal for migrating to our free country without anybody's permission? and how is it not violating god second greatest commandment, to my fellow republicans to pick
and choose who should stay or who should go in our beloved united states, based on aim materialistic worldview judging a migrants worthwhile being in the united states either skills they might present from the here and now? >> guest: so what is the alternative event for any number, whether it's 20 or 30 million who come in illegally, we should all all of them to remain? i just want to understand your position. there is no border then that should be sacrosanct for any country? >> host: i'm afraid he is gone. sorry. >> guest: let me just say on this and i think it is important, i have said for years and written, summon can certainly search it on the internet, -- someone came -- i have emphasized over and over
that if i were a latin american, especially central america, and i could not get into the united states legally, i would go into the united states illegally. i, dennis prager, if i were mexican and i knew i am in one of the most corrupt societies on earth, and the greater society on earth is 100 miles north of me, i'm going to bring my children to where there is hope, the united states of america, and take them out of the hopeless corruption that pervades mexico. so i would do that. i don't have one moral issue with peopl the people who come n illegally. at the same time, i don't understand i people on the other side don't understand that america has a moral obligation to protect its borders. we can't allow all the humans in
the world to live in corrupt places to come here. that would be the end of the united states as we know it. we have to have control immigration. otherwise, the country doesn't, we have rather unique values. so we have to be careful about taking in unlimited numbers of people who often represent different values. for example, if you come from latin america, and i adore latin america. some of my best friends are latin america and stuff. i put my rhetoric where my values are. i make the point to all those who knock a latin american immigrants year. we here in southern california enormous number of latin americans. they will often, they will gather at corners, they picked up to date as a day laborer's at home. how come we've never heard of one woman raped by any of these
men that she takes to her house? not only that, white women will more readily pick up strangers, latin american young man, put them in her suv and take into her house, then white men. that is how much we trust let lt the mystics i just want to make all of that clear. having said that, latin americans come to america with a latin american view of the state. they should be as big as possible. that's not the american view. it's not been the view that america was founded on, which is limited government. >> host: next call for mr. prager is kerry in connecticut. o. ahead. we are listening. >> caller: good afternoon, people. mr. prager, i get you in connecticut but if i did get you i would be listening because i agree with everything you ever said, everything. rush limbaugh, i listen to because i didn't and marc levin, i love you.
he is a constitutional genius. i love ted cruz for the same reasons, and i wanted to say as far as god goes, okay, man is an intricate creature, okay? he cannot accept the idea of a transcendental god. i put it comes from his arrogance because in the bible it says the fool has said there is no god. my ways are not your ways. resource capitalism goes, if you've ever read ayn rand, okay, the was a big proponent of capitalism, she said if there were no rich or prosperous, the board would never be able to benefit. and jesus i've come to give you life abundantly. >> guest: thank you.
agenda respond to those who differ more at greater length in those who agree. so thank you very much. you can podcast me, listen to be on the internet. in any event, thank you. >> host: if she were to find on the net, how should she do that? >> guest: there's both android and mac apps. dennis prager show, download the app, listen to the show anytime you want. you can go to praeger tobia.com and then you can get commercial free and download any of my shows and then share them with others. you can just listen to me live, dennisprager.com. listen to the show. most of the cases i am on your local station but not in every case. so it's extremely simple. purdue university.com is not just myself.
for example, just last week we had george will ask the presenter of the five minute videos that we did. it is meant to change minds. we have 70 million views last year. we are making an impact because i'm worried, i am worried, and to leeward about america. it was founded on certain principles which are being denied. liberty and small government and a guy based populist, not a god this government but a guy based populist. that was what the founders wanted. if people feel responsible morally to a god, they will generally act better. do you know that secular professors did a fascinating study and found where people believe in hell, it was more ethical behavior there were people do not believe in a hell? which makes perfect sense. if you believe you will be caught speeding, you don't speaker if you don't think you'll ever be punished for speeding, then you will speed. why do we deny basic, simple
facts of life? because we want to deny them. as one of the earlier callers said, i don't want to be judged. and you don't either, mr. prager. but i do want to be judged. i pray to god that i will be judged. because if i judge that everybody is judge and vendors more meaning to the universe than hitler and his victims don't have the same fate. i want mother teresa to be in heaven. i want adolf hitler to be in hell. if you don't want it, there's something wrong with you. you don't want the worst of the worst punished? you don't want the best of the best reward? you've got to go to college to think that foolishly. >> host: you listen to rush limbaugh, mark love in? >> guest: i listen to everybody. the only problem with rush, we are on at the same time. it's a little difficult but i'm friendly with him and i and all
of these people of course and i do listen, yes. i listen in the same way that i guess i shaft would eat that fills up other chefs. because we know what goes into it. it fascinates me to see how do o these other guys do with the same issues that i do? >> host: nashville, tennessee, 30 seconds. >> caller: yes, mr. prager, thank you very much for being a voice for conservatism and goods and. i appreciate that. i'm curious, i've been intrigued the last two years with the catholic doctrine of natural law and i'm curious if you what kind of speak to the jewish approach to natural law? >> guest: it's a tough question because i'm ambivalent on the natural law issue. i don't think that you can get, to the extent that it means law coming from nature, from the
natural state of the world, i don't think nature provides any moral guidance. i think, ultimately it is nature's god as our founders put it. there needs to be a revelation of good and evil that comes from beyond nature. if you follow nature, the only law that major religious is survival of the fittest. and that's what hitler and stalin believed in. >> host: dennis prager has been our guest for the past hour. his most recent book "the ten commandments." thank you as well for your time. thank you for joining us at the 21st los angeles times those of the book. we've been live all we've been live on we can join booktv and we thank both the "l.a. times" and university of southern california for their hospitality