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[inaudible] would the prime minister agree that this precious habitat and >> >> the ancient forest that she mentions to look at what she said it is the most important thing we can do to make sure more force and more trees. >> the secretary ed state for northern ireland said the politics is more stable
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than it has been for some time and we continue to show a better leadership but people are concerned about the two sighted approach toan ib investigate a police officer at up police station. would you agree we have to get our security forces. >> the members of parliament it is right to say that politics in northern ireland y is more stable and more productive now than it has been for many years. so still causing a huge amount but one of the things
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that we have to hold onto to have the independent and impartial justice. >> order. >> [inaudible conversations]
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>> on saturday that barred it anniversary year shakespeare's death and on that day the library here in washington d.c. with the largest selection of the shakespeare documents will be hosting at the event to commemorate its life and impact on our literature and language in politics and history. booktv will be covering that event life but then a national call-in with the shakespeare scholars you to join in the conversation as well. the president of the standard oil company and shakespeare buff said he and his wife spent many years in dollars collecting
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shakespeare attic -- artifacts and memorabilia as the largest collection of shakespeare related documents. life beginning at noon for 400 years of shakespeare. >> discussing these universities -- these issues at columbia university. this is one hour. [inaudible conversations] >> good morning. here at washington d.c. were the permit of global affairs.
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and to add to that the american society of civil engineers just released their report giving the country's water wastewater
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the grade of ad dash that is worse than my grade of calculus to. [laughter] is still not know why i took that classic in the history major. [laughter] we are losing 7 billion gallons of water each and every day through that even though we experienced routes that our unprecedented in our history in places like california. but i will come back to john hughes said that while the challenges are great they are also solvable. this morning we have a panel of four incredible experts how we knew about a site along solving these challenges through policy. a reporter and as you know,
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a news agency that shines a light on water issues globally and mary in dickenson from the alliance of water conditions in chicago. with best practices around using water sustainably with a broad view collaboration with the nonprofit with the national resources strategy and also worked in six years before that those who play tonight at seven pmi was state that leads me to peter water policy expert i have
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seen you testify before congress. and probably doesn't even know they have a basketball team. with the n.c.a.a. tournament. so that brings us to the panel discussion so then you'll have context as a news agency with the reports on water and we do want to see the world of challenges of agriculture and food production with economic or social well-being.
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that is one of the most compelling stories of our time telling the stories of the united states of china and australia and mexico and south africa. what we see is systems we built decades ago are no longer suitable for today's environmental conditions. the ever changing climate does this society recognize that change in how do they respond? >> in one is pointing out the changes am looking at the response there is a lot of big words and concepts and for policymakers to understand.
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i represent the alliance for efficiency to promote the sustainable use of water in the united states and canada. with energy efficiency organizations that there is no national platform secretive organization to do just that about the best practices of the most cost-effective options with the federal legislators are
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policy makers that would promote efficient solutions. so that is why i was invited to be a part of the panel or policy barriers. i will as it starts to have a a coughing fit. >> that was a great lead in all water is local and we need some thank you very much. i am president of the little company i started last year to work primarily with non-profit and foundation clients and innovation and start up companies to change the ways we do bader.
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it is an unusual foundation i was charged with starting to the national conversation around water to bring together different sectors and one of the big first consensus reports was in 2010 for a national water policy. but what was really interesting is and we were shopping at around with federal agencies or local groups or state a lot of their response was what is the big deal about water? and i will say that to get traction with u.s. department of energy at the time.
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i am very happy to say for all the wrong reasons that sentiment has changed the first texas had a drought people think that is another country but then california happened that was the big deal and caught people's attention around water quantity. and then having to make a statement to take on the all lawsuit to push on their water quality programs that is getting traction and locally but not a national story like it should be. in in some of their rural areas that comes along with that despite the best best efforts still not getting national attraction so interested west virginia shot off the water because of chemical spill it was
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very prudent that gotta blip of national attention the water cutoff is their problem and not until then that will get the national consciousness wrapped around water and we will have plenty of kids is to talk about what that may or may not what comes from that. one of the things we will be addressing of the multi partnership that strikes me is thank you very much with my pro bono part of my life i have of what in most of the camps that have to be at the table i iman of board
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that represents more than 500 organizations has a private citizen and this is a citizen advocates benny's to happen around water. in from the nilson institute the university of wisconsin in madison a very important academic role to drive what bc that is an important voice. as a utility organization and storm water as a larger extent so the utilities sector means they need to do a lot more and into in the
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role that columbia could play. >> that brings us to you. >> good morning. i am delighted to be here first of all, things were hosting this and the second to a lot of people in the room i have known a long time some icy twice in one week sometimes i go a couple months. and the director of the pacific institute where we are a nonprofit research and policy group working on the fizzing solutions to the world. and we did a book a couple of years ago on water policy and i am a scientist by
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training i realize it is a water policy panel that it has we heard already with very interesting comments a water deficit or a bader surplus. [laughter] but you cannot address this only with science but with policy water is a complicated issue we work at the pacific institute as well. and to bring that to stewardship that was of a broad effort to bring that together so things period
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reductions. >> and then to bring this up is regional the policies are at the national level. isis start working at the national level. so what needs to be done from a national policy? so water is local mostly. what we hear about the regionalization state agencies in and local
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agencies but there are fundamental things at the federal level but i am going to just to get the conversation going that worked well for all work click period. >> rabil try to do better than that. i will go really fast. we have to combine a streamlined federal agencies with their all dealing with different aspects of water there should not be a department of water but we need to do a better job at the federal level to degrade the activities of the federal agencies to deal with water. with the river basin commission which is almost every state to work together to manage those we need a
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national water commission that advises the president and congress on these issues there hasn't been a national water commission since 1970 and fourth the state of water data is sad in that is a polite term. we don't collect water data or use in those that are not easily accessible. of the revolution of the way we collect and distribute data from the national level of the water utility bills. we have to do a better job of economics.
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the water pricing structures that the local level in also climate change in management with the dish addition in demand. the clean water act in greeley and out of date and abdicating their responsibility.
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demand management focusing honda of reservoirs' an enormous amount you have to do partly are doing better alternative supply of treated wastewater is critical and i will disagree little about the comment the deceleration that is an alternative supply there is a lot of things he ought to be doing with wastewater treatment. to integrate land-use policy and to talk about energy to do what the federal level
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and that we integrate to corporate water stewardship a huge role to play in many others are to move toward sustainability and environmental justice into water to waver around this morning that one of the most fundamental failures issues about funding and water cutoff the epa has a standard have much a family should be willing to spend on water bills and their
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millions of people who pay more than that of this incident populations that have not been addressed but it gives a sense of the broad nature and the appropriate federal rules to talk about economic tools and federal funding but i.m. carious about the price of water what you mentioned during the earlier panel was utilities. but my question is if water tariffs are too low is
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something that could be done to change that? resulting in under investment infrastructure. >> i'll answer a slightly sideways way it's done in a way to allow the base line use in social justice is somebody else paying the cost for somebody else's actions that plays out in lots of ways to handle agricultural runoff vs. just
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quality of life but to make it potable or toledo the grosso des moines destitute place as we have heard a lot about especially the poor rural communities it is not just fertilizer on the field but a major opportunity to drive the policies but use less of the m because the soil will hold more water and is one of the ways to shift the action back
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upstream in non-refundable ways and have had is plain and simple but elegant more broadly at ways to share the responsibility do they think of pterosaur economics and with these conservation programs and to equalize the
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revenue and how to restructure the rates to do that. always sounds like of the average rate increase of a hot dog and a coke on a monthly basis. but this is where we need to look at bill whole sector and how that would work and if the investment should be assisted by federal and states but the most important thing to what to say from water conservation issue not the asset of the balance sheet.
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we don't do it anymore because to pay for those efficiency programs and then they take the hit that the benefit cycle of efficiency of the reduced rate cost to the customer will beyond election timetable to have the financial accounting problem. >> i know you want to comment with this communication and go as
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well. >> two important points as she suggested we could come up with those that meet multiple objectives better equitable cover the fixed cost to give utilities the ability to develop reserves for when revenue was dropped. we did this in the energy world of 1 billion energy utilities and a good example of learning. noone to invest in conservation and efficiency the cheapest source of water that we have a spirit that notion to learn from the energy sector is the basis of the white house water summit on tuesday.
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in with those affordability we quickly got into lead discussion of foreign policy and that shows the leap between one item that they talk about and the other then the disconnect with the conversations of utilities officials better not all that involved with before regulations and with the every structure that was the headlines with the much bigger conversations with the multiple sectors to
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mention in the national water commission'' with the jurisdiction in the? and how do states feel about that? >> i don't notice of the water problems but i do believe the sarah the federal level to discuss the proper role of the federal government with the advisory way to help the state and local agencies.
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been part of that it was very explicit there is always a tension there when not to worry about that. and we have city-wide is not taking hold in this country. california is getting gray water standard but there are not large scale installations that this is the underlying treatment standard.
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for those that complete the recycle in the major scale across the country with this technology that was available and with better deployment with though waste-water systems so to deal with that national carrier policy issue that they can rely on.
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in with the national contribution it is easier to clean and health commissioners to give a little big doubt to figure out those policies the white paper and what they put out leading up to the talks about distributed water and other ways to use less energy has to look to the decades in the century ahead of us and that is a great
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merit greater treatment of wastewater to with agriculture industry to address that water scarcity challenge to be reluctant to those part of the communities. >> but that is how waste water was branded for so long. said to have the utility to
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talk with customers and have a presence with the community. so lot of those utilities and starting to do better with twitter or facebook or community our reach - - out reaches of what goes out to the event. do you want to comment? [laughter] it is time to stop calling them waste water treatment plants or water recovery plans are something better. so we have been talking about national policies and
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those that live in flint michigan who cares acutely about water policy issue a lot to take the opportunity to answer this question. >> closer to the mike. >> we need a national commitment to sustainable water use to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. and they are connected in such a way this is an issue
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congress needs to look at and i want to quote him here because and i was taken by that. to take a look investments ever made and with that investment 69 billion was invested the only 1.5 billion. federal spending is even worse. is at least to 090 billion per year and with an
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incentive of 47 billion and you have any efficiency -- efficiency incentives in fact, that the rebates but only with that tax credit of those individuals but the opportunity with the stimulus bill that should have been a big slice going to the water issues. 637 billion went to energy and climate related issues only 12 billion atwater 20% went to the efficiency and green infrastructure topics so there is a huge disparity in investment.
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it is to a angelina overtime over a 30 year period of over $100 billion. and with the growing population as it is funneled to the right places. so parity that is what i talk about. parity with energy. , like to see water efficiency. in the state -- saving a federal policy attention.
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and with the members of congress to represent urban areas so they are lined up to add money to the pot ted concern is it is a knee-jerk reaction as certainly it is badly needed but if we just head of federal grants that doesn't get us to the solutions that we need. we also need to be looking to other bills not just to the water sector to dissertation fuelled with ethanol to have a huge impact on the water system
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overall with investment of renewable energy and of the water resources what of those other slices of federal policy and funding? >> i agree completely. if you have a little bit of monday for farmers to improve that water irrigation system. that money has disappeared immediately. the dividend is enormous. bid to figure out aha how to do more with less water. 80% of the water consumed those to the agricultural
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sector. but it is pretty critical region grow more with less but we're not funding the farmers who need the help to do that. >> one of the ironies and california is the 25% water reduction mandates for communities that of ground water that somebody said would solve today's problems at the expense of tomorrow. talking about the u.s. is beyond the borders there are lessons we can learn and i am just reminded meeting with the senior government officials that ast how you get people comfortable?
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he said we have engaged universities and stakeholder readings and we found it works best if we don't say anything at all. [laughter] maybe there are better lessons we can learn. have you seen anything? maybe that leads the effort to round the world? >> koesterer yet and mexico they're all tied around the world. initially to bring people who are making decisions could information with data collection what australia did before it could embark with changes to the water policy. how much should we allocate to the environment?
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with the big lesson that others could talk about the policy changes. behalf to know what you have before you can do much about it. we have to be at the you know, what you have phase. >> we do have a lot to learn from other countries. australia, peter's colleagues worked with us with water efficiency and the institute in sydney we published a report on the austria experience and lessons that could be applied to california. what australia did and the investments it made good and bad could be used as examples for other climate ridden areas.
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and also recently publishing the book and factory will hold a conference to showcase israel's work. they are already doing well we talk about and where there prime minister said to me them beating water technology education in the world and made me think about bader with a national, form? >> i don't think we had this discussion in a presidential campaign. we don't talk about it and
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that is probably the one line of this horrible tragedy of flint because we will start talking about in a national dialogue for the first time. >> i will say that the white house water summit was of great step. >> work that is being developed buy you cannot find the place to try it out. or those that have the macarthur fellow for his work in developing technologies and resources recovery that is piloted and they could use their right
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here but you want to make a comment before reopen to the audience? >> one of the major lessons from australia is nine years of drought concentrates the mind. we didn't get a really as we would have liked it to postilion nine years to the fundamental things we have not done in california so crisis. singapore which has been highlighted as an example of education and.
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in interviews that efficiently so education is the piece of that. south africa when they got rid of apartheid when they rewrote the constitution they pledged a human right to water and also an ecosystem right to water which was a legal precedent in my opinion nobody does it all right but the lessons we cameron are sometimes incredibly important. >>.
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>> i have a few questions so multiple audience members acquired water and agricultural sector how can we is to devise water conservation and runoff and what are the possible policy options? >> so does it think we have to get out of the way because there are some fairly well publicized examples there is a great line in their to try out the multi species cover crops with the cattle they are raising regular ranchers and
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one of them said pardon me if it is offensive but if i had known about this years ago i would have 12 kids buy now because i have so much time on my hands because it is so much easier and cheaper to do it that way you hear similar things from those you tried new ways multi species cover crop to give their resilience to draft reduce overhead and capital cost it can be self driving the right now are all the policies with the department of agriculture so there is a lot of money is a
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pretty hard thing to push against with those interest to make money off of fertilizers. >> no you want to comment? >> the great question and then a tough one. in the prices of water not even the cost so farmers pay less than the interstate water and they are less likely to be growing watery efficient crops in a water efficient manner purpose subsidies for crops as to the crop prices is internationally but that farm bill to make
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improvements but they cannot afford to make an energy policy the idea that we subsidized ethanol but that has a huge water implication that does and how much we use in their cultural sector >> anybody else? >> given the crisis is a motivator what can be done now to capitalize on the tension with water quantity in california? >> crisis is a motivator but be careful not to oversell
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the danger but there is a huge opportunity with people's attention we have smart devices almost every hour of the day is 30 different directions set between all these concepts.
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>> we have largely made the water infrastructure visible. we have spent 30 or 40 years about what it is their drinking and what is provided to its citizens. . .
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mac what we need to do is do a lot of baseline education and discussion so that when a crisis hits those citizens can be informed participants in the change. that is the biggest problem right now. there are a lot of angry people that are not well-informed, but they are angry. that is the problem with crisis management. that's how we make policy. that's how we move mountains and government. recognizing the opportunity the crisis presents in the creative opportunity it can present is what we need to take advantage of. >> one of the very low level conversation happening right now has to do with the social institutions that push back and our watchdogs on water. ever since the clean water act
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we've had a provisions that citizens have standings to protect and enforce those clean water act and as a result we have an entire industry of citizen groups that can and will push back on wastewater treatment, but the recourse recovery facility that the term that's being used nowadays. when they feel the clean water act is being violated. it's not fun for the industry to get that push back but that's what has moved us along in cap the process honest and transparent. on the drinking water side we do not have the social institutions in place which is, it took citizens in flint to keep pushing but these are people, these were not organizations or
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individuals. so in the ngo world, the the community organizing world right now there is a lot of, what are we do, the existing water groups have not put their head around drinking water they've ignored it because it's been so safe when they realized had we we incorporate that into the work that we do, there needs to be in there will be a shift in our institutions and one of the really i think is citing pieces of that is this will be what finally gets us to take water out of the canoe paddling in viral world in which i live into a much more integrated conversation that represents america as a whole. i i think that is an exciting opportunity.
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>> i think we have time for one more question. >> so considering that states all the responsibility to implement national policy at the local level, how can we overcome the disparity between states that do this well versus those that are not doing so well. >> citizen advocate. anybody else want to take a crack at this, the thirty-year 62nd answer. >> i was going to say vote which is the same thing. >> i was talking to someone, i was doing a project around lead in water and who is doing innovative things and what should be invested and when i called scott brian his gig is innovation and startup technology you know what he said, first off in terms of where investment needs to become a democracy.
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every foundation should beginning at least 5% of their granting to democracy. that's what's that's what's going to keep our water safe. >> so to elaborate a little, again there is a federal role in oversight, this came up and went to epa has an oversight role that maybe they do not play as well as they should have, we have federal law, we don't have 50 state water quality laws. we have federal water quality laws because we don't want their to be disparities to different communities because some states might be weaker than others in developing those standards. again there is a federal role in updating the safe drinking water act and is expanding hugely the numbers and types of chemicals that are regulated and then helping the states meet their
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responsibilities in meeting those standards. >> i think what i will do is ask each of you view have any final thoughts that you would like to share ten or 20 seconds with the audience and then i will make a wrapping up comments. >> i would like to take talk about the language used with these problems. in the language used in these discussions it's very technical language that makes eyes glaze over after a little. aging infrastructure, silos, mitigation, all of these words that we use all the time when were trying to avoid with what's going on with america's water. i think the biggest role is in the translation and being able to take what happens in these discussions that show its effect on human lives. and to write that in a way that gets people's attention.
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>> translate complex issues and to something we can communicate effectively. >> i'm going to take my last opportunity here to indicate one more policy would like to see in that is what plays off of what christine played off of earlier. we look weak so much water in this country there's no excuse that water systems apply for federal money need to display adequate control programs. that's something we can easily do. >> reduce loss water. >> i will just reiterate something that we see in the white paper that can be a water center has produced. i think it's important. we have a lot of changes and challenges ahead. as we address them i think it's important that we do so in the context of climate change and social equity. we have a great opportunity ahead of us to do
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that, let's not solve today's problems with yesterday's technology. we we have new opportunities ahead. >> the black backdrop climate change. >> of what i like to say is we have 19th century infrastructure and 20 century institutions in 20 is century water problems. we need to build and develop 21st-century institutions to deal with the 20th century problems that we failed to solve and the new problems that were adding on my climate change. >> will take a new approach. i want to just wrap up by saying thank you very much for hosting this event. it's an honor to be here. thank you would see honor to be here. i learn from every time i see you. i just want to say thanks for taking out the week organizing world water week. also glad that you're launching
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this and will look with the interest for further result. thank you very much. [applause]. >> american history to be on c-span three, saturday on six eastern on the civil war, historian discusses his book, the myth of of a lost cause. why the north one. he examines postwar arguments by former confederates seeking to's split from the union. >> southerners felt compelled to explain why it was that this devastation had occurred and that for example 25% of southern white men between the ages of 20 and 4545 were dead. not just casualties, they were dead. as a result of the civil war. >> sunday sunday morning at 10:00 a.m. road to the white
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house real wind, we begin with former colorado senator announcing his candidacy in denver. in new hampshire news conference where he faced questions about alleged extramarital affair and then finally hart's announcement to withdraw from the race. sunday sunday evening at six, american artifacts. smithsonian curator of the life of civil rights activist dolores and her involvement in the farmworkers movement. >> would just beg the union to send just anyone but her to negotiate the contract however she was at the forefront of that effort and it's interesting because they're the participants of the movement. we always -- and on eight, at at the presidency. they just said, those partners


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