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tv   Open Phones with Joby Warrick  CSPAN  April 24, 2016 2:30pm-3:01pm EDT

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-- [inaudible] >> number two, these people-- is the one we are going to have to leave it at number one. thank you. joby warrick, why don't we go ahead and answer the first one.si guest: first of all, it is truei that the fundamental theology wh that mortal dates isis, their core, their teaching a doctrinen is close to the wahhabi sunni islam which came out of saudi arabia in the 18th century andme it does contain search-- harsh believing interpretation that isis champions today and that'si why i think when some of these beheadings took place a year ago the western world was horrified. it wasn't that's unusual to some of the cold countries because they do live with this and beheading is countered by the cron, certainly in practice and traditions of the early muslim leaders. i what isis has managed to do is go off the reservation to take
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what's really a farish-- harsh view of islam and take it further and ignore theological practices and norms when they want to, when they went to burn a person alive and that's clearly against the cron.n yet, they do it anyway and they managed to find a way to justify, so yes, they are taking some of the scope-- core issues and making it even more violent. host: this is a text message from ron in honolulu. isis has no air force, navy, army battalions,ave why are they an ongoing threat? why is there no well in the west to destroy them? guest: that's a good question and we talk about these no-fly n zones for syria and its-- isis does not have an airport or navy. they have a lot of it. equipment and weapons and lots of money, but they don't have these big weapons systems and we have not been able to push them out.
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it's a coalition with 60 member nation and what strikes me is the fact that when they take over territory there is no resistance. we have not seen anyig awakening kind of movement of people fighting them because their ability to control the local providences and there will over territory-- no one challenges it and so until there is a way to deny them their safe haven and there is a way to sort of counter and challenge them in their heartland it will be impossible to see-- defeat this ideology. l host: bob in overland park, kansas. go ahead, bob. caller: hello, peter. or love your show. my curiosity stems fromm the extension of what is called an extension of wahhabi -ism and how badli it's spreading globally, but more importantly,si
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how is the current geopolitical environment shaping up? we have power blocs now with the russians coming in support of the assad regime and the iranian chinese russian alliance that is moving towards support of that assad regime against the us backed saudi arabian qatari, other interests of t and what is the role of saudi arabia rise to isis and have they been part of this jihad that is increasingly being spread globally throughout africa and even into asia? host: bob, we will get joby warrick to answer that in the second, but how long have you been following this a story of the developments in this area? caller: i used to teach at the defense language institute on a daily basis interacting for theh
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last six and a half years i spent six years at the defense language institute, so i was dealing with people coming and going, commuting back and forthh from afghanistan and iraq like some people go from kansas city to chicago on a daily basis. host: thank you sir. guest: one of the great places in the world to live i think moderate must've been amazing, but to answer your question what is complicated this fight and what to do with isis is the fact that these geopolitical blocks are so significant and opposed to one another. i mean, the hardest part about resolving the searing conflict is the fact that you do haveer russia and radiance on one side and saudi andow americans and the other states on the other side, so how do youu bring them together and come up with a new government in syria that would be acceptable to both sides? or even have a un resolution, for goodness sake which seems to be impossible to do up until now, but one thing that is hopeful is the fact that you have theseee
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powerful interest talking to each other and they are our meetings underway. these governments aree trying to find a way to find concerted leverage against isis in a way that has not existed before and if the right people are in the room right now talking and so they can figure out a way to unite at least on common goals by getting rid of isis then maybe something good can come out of that, but i don't think we are there yet. host: to follow-up on that you say the right people in the right room and talking etc., this is a text message from the7 718 area code, over the last decade isis and al qaeda problem has continued to grow in all reality. can it ever be truly contained or eliminated? guest: that's a good question because there are two things going on i think simultaneously in one is an effort, finally, to drive them out of their heartland, to try to end this dg facto state that has developed
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in syria in western iraq, but even if they are able to do this and that's a big if, the horses out of of the barn with this ideology that exists in multiple states, at least 12 we know of them have isis cells that are active and in some ways communicating, social them down down one place doesn't mean they will go away and another and i think that is the challenge of our lifetime. host: bill, west hartford, connecticut. you are on with joby warrick and here's his most recent book: "black flags: the rise of isis". caller: hello. i tuned in a bit late so you may have discussed this and he may not have. i went to go from 15 years ago today almost exactly today till now, november 2000 till now to ask you a question about where this all began and it goes back to the election of 2000 between george w. bush and al gore. if al gore had won that
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election al gore would have probably had the afghanistan war because of 911, which happened the following september 2001, but would not have invadedyi iraq, so my point ision isn't it true that because of the republicans and george w. bush and i say this as a liberal progressive democrat myself that george w. bush bashan ofob a rock as horrible as a dictator that saddam hussein was, it kept it as a stable country without isis emerging, so if that iraqi war had not happened and if george w bush and dick cheney had not invaded iraq or app al gore had won a new member 2000 and there was no iraq war-- host: okay. i think we got the point. guest: bill, that's a good question and as a journalist i try to avoid putting political labels on it, but the book argues and i strongly believe that the iraq invasion was the original sin, not just the
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invasion itself, which gave the jihadists this cause they had been looking for particularly zarqwi who wanted to fight america and predicted the fight would take place in iraq and was ready for the americans when they arrived in 2003, but as a sin of omission not having secured apparatus in place, displaying the party which essentially anyone that was a professional inside iraq in the early 2000 had to be read-- member of the party and is now in the armed forces, said governor knight a country with a huge security vacuum and eight angry disenfranchised elite population that was happy to help on insurgent coming in andd there were plenty of iraqis that would've thought the americans anyway, but when zarqwi comes in he is able to meld this is-- religious extremism with this iraqi discontent and it turns out to be a powerful peru and those people that started that movement in 2004, 2006, that is isis today, the same ideology, same individuals, even guys like
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optimal, the french terrorists cut his teeth in the early stage of the iraq insurgency and this is all relevant to the isis today. host: render-- randy in louisiana.the s caller: i can remember the-- [inaudible] caller: can you touch upon the?e guest: what you see there isda that was an al qaeda attack and i think it reflected in a way the difference between al qaeda and that isis folks we see today. al qaeda picked a strategic target going after a us aircraft carrier or u.s. navy ship, rather. and putting a big hole in it and creating these images on television that made al qaeda look i powerful and it took us quite a long time to deal with that. isis on the other hand
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is not much interested in those tough targets because they are too tough. they're interested in going after civilians, soft targets which is what you seen in paris last week in concert arenas and restaurants and going after innocent people that are doing their daily business. it's not the first time they had done that. they have done it for years and a rock no mercy, even muslims-- muslim children being legitimate targets for them and that's why they are different from al qaeda. host: you are the last word, go ahead. caller: my question, sir-- yes,r from staten island. my question is that from the beginning of the civil war in syria, the syrian soldiers and syrian regime fighting these people including all of the other terrorists and recently of course,--
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[inaudible] caller: west of the united states have soldiers on the ground to defeat these terrorists.he is gon guest: to understand the question, is it why are we helping assad? host: he is gone at this point, so you can take that question or,. guest: this syrian civil war and knowing how to deal with it, i think that has been part of the challenge and probably historians will find fault with the obama administration in its inability to perceive events and that's always difficult, but in this case everyone assumed assad would be gone quickly. would've much more powerful apparatus around him we thought and he disputed a matter of days and everyone at -- assumed assad would go in the same way wea did not anticipate this would be, not just a civil war, but a
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stalemate in which powerful armies would develop and how much leverage do we give one side versus the other, whether assad would've been better off with us out of power to begin with and all of those things are of good questions to dissect later, but there is no question we failed to anticipate what a horrific challenge that would be and it really helped us the situation we are right nasty when there's a book book, "black flags: the rise of isis". pulitzer prize-winning reporter joby warrick is the author. guest: think you. ♪ >> when i tune into it on the weekend, it's usually authors sharing their new releases. >> watching the authors on television is for work-- reader's. >> they can delve into their subjects. >> book tv weekends, they bring you author after author after author that fought like
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the work of fasting people's. >> i love that book tv and i am a c-span. >> crystal wright, your new book, who is being conned and who's doing the connie? guest: i think democrats are doing the connie and particularly of black americans and women. i argue in my book con job because they are kind of like the democrat party in my view over the last half-century is like a used car salesman and petals these promises and pledges to black americans that we will make things better since lbj. we will make you smarter, richer, more educated and passport to date and black americans are none of those things and i pack-- i talk about "con job" how the head of the congressional caucus last year said blacks were in quote a state of emergency under the first black president, mind you, so i look at the democratic party kind of like a used car salesman in that they say they are slickly dressed and they want to sell you a great products but say don't
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look under the hood because you might not actually get what you are voting for and with women, it's always the war on women, the abortion lobbyists are strong in the democratic party and they had this veil of pro-choice, but when i did on planned parenthood's website and their financial report is that i found by the aged woman turns 45 in america, three out of every 10 women who turned 45 in america will have had on abortion and i'd-- they boast about it on the website as something we should champion and is a woman, i find that it's nothing-- women and i know who have made the tough decision to have an abortion. i don't agree with abortion. that is not something we should be proud of, but that's a statistic they boast about. those are some of the highlights in the book and when it comes to illegal immigration, you know, often times what i found in doing research is that if you go on the dnc website, they have a list of 50 different
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constituents and my mother used to always tell me that a person who tries to be a master of many things or too many people are usually master to none of those things and a lot of times they will advocate democratic party for one constituent to cannibalize another and there is no better example and i highlight this in turn to then illegal immigration. illegal immigration is number one enemy of black americans but what happens when america-- immigration increases by about 10% tax jobs declined for blacks by the tune of almost 6% and wages by 2.5%. you have hillary clinton presenters, particularly hillary clinton saying she will go further than broccoli, and use executive order if she has to to a let immigrants stay here illegally and that harms black americans. my book came out in little over a month ago to wake everyone up to say you don't have to be a conservative like me, but know what you are voting for. has the democratic party
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really delivered on promises to blacks, women and really liberals in general is what the book is about, so that's probably more than you wanted to hear, peter. host: 96% of african-americans voted for barack obama. over time,% of african-americans vote for the democratic candidates. guest: i think that is a tragedy because the lock stock and barrel votes that blacks had given democrats over the last half-century has not gotten this , i don't think the parity with white americans that martin luther king wanted for us to have and i think in many ways it has kept us-- i hate to use analogies about slavery in all of this, but i feel like it has kept us impoverished as a raise and when you look at in 1964 daniel patrick moynihan, talk about this in the book, he said he was disturbed by the fact
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that 23% of black babies were born out of wedlock and he warned president johnson in his report, which is called: the negro family, a case for national action. he told president johnson if we don't do something about this you will see generational poverty and crime develop within the black race because at the same time moynihan found a broken family emerging among black americans he also saw an increased dependence of black women in single-family homes. they were the head of the home and dependency on welfare. fast-forward to today, 72% of black babies are born out of what-- wedlock and you can go to brookings institute or heritage and all of the data is on the same on the left in the right. a child born into a single parent household has about a 70% chance of growing up in poverty and not getting an education. so, i really want to black americans to think
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this is an important election and who is really talking to you about what policies they will implement to get you jobs, not making promises like hillary clinton and bernie sanders on records. both of them have been in office a long time. they are promising these things. we will stop mass incarceration of blacks, bring black jobs, we are going to reform the prison system, all of these things, but they have not been-- done any of that stuff over the last 30 years that hillary has been running for president, really. she has had every job under the sun and they are pandering saying black lives matter, but for them it's all about black votes because what has either of them done in their records to help improve the state of black america. i think you have donald trump on the other side while he is making some statements that i think he needs to clarify about white supremacists , the claimant david duke, at the same time he is actually uttering the words black americans.
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he talks about how he's going to ease black unemployment in his immigration plan by getting rid of the j1 pieces which allow foreign young workers to come over here and he wants to replace it with all on his website he has great policy plan and it was she talked about it more, but he wants to replace it with an inner city jobs banks or business-- businesses, corporations will be forced to go to a job bank where young pop-- black people are unemployed but there resume. its innovative. i want to hear donald trump talk about that more and really repudiate white supremacists voters which he kind of did today on the today show. he said for the first time he does not want their votes, so i was glad to hear that because you can't talk for-- out of both sides of your mouth. host: we hear guests: black conservative, i just don't get it. guest: they don't get it.
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they don't trust me. i get called uncle tom, kuhn, like you are working for the man. well, i don't get paid for virtually none of my activism as pay. i got paid to write this book, what it's a modest sum of money and i think the reason why, though, is because we do see i would say my party used a lot of black conservatives to their advantage and they used them as puppets. i think that a certain point there were times when ben carson when he was appearing on a certain conservative network before he ran for president was saying things that were not authentic to doctor carson. i heard when he spoke at the president's prayer breakfasts, so i think happens a lot of time is black americans had a right to distrust some black conservatives because the ones you see sometimes propped up through conservative media outlets somehow lose their identity and they are no longer authentic in their
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voice. i would say to black americans, however, there are many conservatives like me who i tell it like it is i'm able to be in perspective about my own party when my party says stupid things like donald trump has said stupid things like haley barbour who said he did not remember the civil rights movement being all that bad and segregated when he grew up in the segregated south of mississippi, so i tell it like it is, but i don't paint all liberals alike. i know it sounds because my book "con job" is a critique on the democratic party, but i think for black americans what i would say is do a little homework. there is a rich history with the party of lincoln and i emphasize that because it was a good party then. with black americans lincoln and his party was created because they wanted to break away from the whigs who wanted to expand slavery states out west. lincoln wanted parity like martin luther king
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for black americans. so, there is a history there any reason why black americans like me believe fundamentally the policy of conservatives and power be more than democrats, so i think some of that is going away because you do see after president barack obama nearly two terms black americans are frustrated and others are saying gosh, i don't know if he has delivered on the promise he made and does he really deserved-- did read deserved to get him over 90% of our votes, so this is a good thing. everyone should other eyes wide open. on a republican, but that does not mean because you have a are next your name that you will earn my vote. on same for black americans to have any political power in this country would have to diversify our political thought process. no other race and i will repeat this no other race gives they are nearly entire vote to one party but black americans and then we
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complain when democrats don't deliver on promises, so i think that has to stop. that's only way to you will have real political power and lift yourself out of poverty. stop asking what a party can do for you and what you can do for yourself the party can kind of help you along, i think. host: is the republican party comfortable with you? guest: no. i think the republican party has a great uneasiness with me because they cannot put me into a box. i'm not going to use names about my peers that i like, but i'm not necessarily predictable. and i frankly don't think any party should have patsies that other supporters. and that's what we are dealing with right now fundamentally, the party was to be controlled by the gop establishment, which is frankly on exclusive club. i have taken great offense to them trying to rig an election that
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donald trump is winning-- not election donald trump commission process and what this is really about is the associate in washington, barry concerned and disturbed that they have lost political power influence of money and it's made up largely of white males and at the very people like mitt romney today who gave a speech and i could not hear it all, he gave a speech condemning donald trump, who by the way in 2012 he prays for supporting his campaign. i find it really repugnant because romney ran one of the most whitest campaigns i can remember. i wanted to help his campaign, volunteer and i were shut out at every turn your kind was a gingrich tell it-- delegate and went on national television when my guy was not winning and i got behind our nominee, mitt romney. mitt romney did nothing to grow the party. the party stayed very white under mitt romney and what happened? mitt romney won the black, asian, hispanic and woman vote.
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it was a failure to grow the party. donald trump is doing these things and that's why they are mad. my party deserves to be burned down and built a new. host: in "con job", two people who appear in your book, allen west and cornell west, what's the difference between cornell west and alan les? guest: pollen lest actually endorse my book. allen west's republican elected as a member of congress in florida. he's a great friend of mine and i have learned a lot from allen west. just very friendly with him when he was a congressman and cornell west is a professor at princeton. i think cornell west has committed to support bernie sanders. cornell west dementia drug book is cornell west in my opinion is part of the race hustle movement and i put him-- i love him in a category with al sharpton because cornell west has always trotted out by the
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mainstream media and we need quote black spokespeople. when i was growing up my parents never gave me a memo that i had to have black people speak on my behalf because my parents representative during the segregated south and they were called the letter and word. they had to sit the back of the vegan richmond, virginia, so they was taught me to speak for myself as a black woman, so i take great offense when the media wants to reduce black people to voices in a collective box that has to be relegated. peter, you don't have a white spokesperson that speaks on your behalf do you? may be due and i don't know about it, but when you look at cornell west he is making a lot of money writing books about what black people should say, canned due and how he is the voice of black people and he teaches this stuff at princeton. allen west on the other half is telling people to speak for yourself.
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he was a loud mouth in a good way congressman. he tells it like it is. he is much more of a hero and champion to me for the cause of black americans than cornell west will ever be, so they are. host: a little bit from crystal wright, her new book, "con job". you are watching the tv on c-span 2. >> president obama recently nominated carla hayden to become the 14th librarian of congress. she is currently ceo of the enoch pratt free library in baltimore. if confirmed doctor hayden would succeed james billington and become the first african-american woman to serve in the position. during hayden's congressional confirmation hearing this past week she laid out her vision for the future of the library of congress. >> as i envision the future of this wonderful institution, i see as stature, not only in
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librarianship, but how people view libraries in general. as lore of its resources are readily available portable people online, users will not have to be in washington dc, everyone will have a sense of ownership and pride in this national treasure. a child on a reservation in new mexico will have the same access of a high school student in st. louis, missouri. a fifth grader in bowling green, kentucky, will be able to read the abraham lincoln papers from his home computer and a shy 10th grader from mississippi with dreams of performing would be able to view the libraries at bernstein collection. a student from a community college in kansas could look at and even download revolutionary war maps for class assignments. this would help libraries across the country, a small library in arkansas with a modest budget will be able to help patrons assess primary studies
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of george washington favorites. a rural library in alabama will be able to connect to a live feed to the natnal book festival and see and hear their favorite authors. i envision a library of congress that can balance various roles and important roles in a digital age at a time when libraries throughout the world face the same challenges when their exit-- very existence is questioned. ..
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to ensure that its treasures are secured and shared for many years to come. >> the senate has yet to set a date to vote on the confirmation. >> if we don't have enough people -- [inaudible conversations] >> welcome to the national association scholars new report. i'm the president on the national association of scholars. in 2009, a young man heading for seaside vacation in mexico picked up an unusually heavy book for his beach reading, and 800 page tome on the life of the 18th century immigrant. 50 pages or so into the book the story took possession of the

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