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>> number one, mr. speaker. >> prime minister. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i know the whole house will wish to join me in congratulating on winning the premier title. >> here, here. >> 5000 to one outsiders at the start of the season. they showed incredible resilience and a great team ethic. mr. speaker, this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others, and in addition to my duties in this house, i shall have further such meetings later today. >> may i start my associate myself with comments about the victory. the foreign secretary said there's a need for an initiative in dialogue to keep it alive. will prime minister with drone strikes which have done nothing to bring about peace and redouble his efforts to securing political resolution to war to a new dialogue as recommended by
the foreign secretary? >> i think we should do both things which is to continue to hit daesh terrorists because they threaten our country but at the same time do everything we can to support dialogue between opposition and the syrian regime which is what the process of been about and will continue to take both of those steps. >> my right honorable friend will be in -- standing in the city collected. and labour will lose some seats. we are all aware of the need for tolerance standing out from racism and anti-separatism and 10 -- anti-semitism. [inaudible] >> certainly i wish my honorable friend as well.
if want a well-run services at a good cost and keep taxes down come it's right to vote conservative right across the country. the point he makes about hamas is important we should be clear about who they are. they are a terrorist group who believe in killing jews and that's why whatever the right honorable gentleman says about combating at the semitism and the labour party will mean nothing until he withdraws the remarks that they were his friends. he needs to do it and he should it today. >> jeremy corbyn. [shouting] >> thank you, mr. speaker. i join a transfer in congratulating lester said the other amazing achievement. i hope it's not indication he will support another football team or is he going to stick with the qb scott already? [laughter] -- stick with the thank you he has already? later today, mr. speaker,
commemorations began for holocaust memorial day in israel. i hope there is agreement right across all parts of this house in sydney our best wishes to those commemorating the occasion. and sending a clear statement that anti-semitism has no place in our society whatsoever and we all have a duty to oppose it. tomorrow, mr. speaker, people will go to the polls in council elections in england. night of the two most deprived councils are set to see cuts high than the national average. with a facing cuts more than three times the national average. the means less money for youth services, adult social care and for those in areas of greatest need. that prime minister used to say we are all in it together. what happened to that? >> first of all let me join the right honorable jo joe and said yes, of course we should always support holocaust memorial day
whether it is here in the united kingdom where we have commemorations or indeed an issue. i'm going to present on this point because he did say this. he said it will be my pleasure and my honor to host an event in parliament where our friends from hezbollah will be speaking. i've also invited friends from hamas to come and speak as well. hamas and hezbollah believe in killing jews, not just in israel but around the world. so will he take this opportunity because if he wants to clip the problem that the semitism in the labour party now is a good time to start. withdrawal they are your friends. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, i've made it very clear labour is an antiracist party and is no place for anti-semitism within it. we have suspended any members that are undertaken any anti-semitic activities come work or statement have
established an inquiry. [shouting] the points he was making earlier relay to a discussion i was hosting in order to try to promote the peace process, and it was not an approval of those organizations. i absolutely do not approve of those organizations. mr. speaker, the reality, the reality is that volatile people are being abandoned in this country. that prime minister said that social care and support for the elderly is a priority for him. so if that's the case why has he got 4.5 billion since 2010 from the adult social care budget leaving 300,000 older people without care and support they need to live in dignity? >> first of all we are putting more money into social care and allowing councils to raise the tax to put that money in but i'm
afraid he's going to have to do this one more time. he refers to hamas and hezbollah as his friends. now, he needs to withdraw that remark. let me give them another chance. are they your friends or are they not? because those organizations in their constitutions believe in persecuting and killing jews. they are anti-semitic organizations, racist organizations. he must stand up and say they are not his friends. [shouting] >> jeremy corbyn. >> mr. speaker, obviously anyone that commits racist acts or is at the summit is not a friend of mine. it's very clear about that. very clear about that. i would also invite him to think for a moment about the conduct of his party and its candidates in the london mayor election. [shouting] the way in which they systematically spearing my
friend who is our candidate for mayor. i wish them well and i fight the prime minister to undertake -- invite -- the conservative party disses connectivity. last week, drinking the foundation report found 1.25 million people in britain were unable to afford the essentials needed to eat, stay warm, clean and dry. the number of people using food banks has risen again last year. that prime minister usually lectures us about a stronger economy. wimbledon stronger economy means that fewer people need to use food banks? >> what the stronger economy means is there are over 2 million or people in work than when i became prime minister. now you can earn 11,000 house before you pay tax and we don't introduced a national living wage something never done 13 years for labour government.
i completely reject what he said about labour's candidate for the london mayor. i would make this argument, we are not responsible for everything someone says when they share a platform with us. we can't control everyone who appears in the picture but it is a pattern of behavior which the honorable -- [shouting] he shared a platform with a man who trained the ringleader of the 7/7 attacks and accused the united states of bringing 9/11 on themselves. he shared a platform with an extremist who called for jews to be drowned in the ocean. when this was put to the honorable member, this is what he said. he described it as mere flowery language. if he wants to know why has a problem with anti-semitism, is because its candidates share platform after platform after platform with extremists and anti-semites, and to excuse
their words. one more time, so you withdraw the remark about hamas and hezbollah being your friends. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, last week the prime minister tried as he often does to spare my friend the member by his association with sullivan. it turns out that he is an active conservative supporter. who hasn't shared platforms with the honorable member from richmond. he also should reflect on the words set by lord lanza we some years ago that racism was intimate within his party. we have set up a commission of inquiry. i suggest he might think about doing the same thing. the former housing chief has said the housing bill effectively removes the security
that people need. it is fundamentally wrong. homelessness is up by a third since he became prime minister and rightly again this year. a voter wrote to me this week and said he and his family will lose their hold if the government housing bill goes through. why can't the prime minister politics ever set by the welsh labour government in placing -- [shouting] in placing him in placing a legal duty, a legal responsibility on councils to help people during the housing crisis? why can't he do that? >> i'll tell you what this government has done not in wales but here in england we built twice as much council housing in the last six years as labour did in the previous 13. i'm not going to let this issue rest about the honorable member to gain. he raised the case of sullivan who is a member, shared a
platform with nine times. this is a man who says it's wrong to stop people -- as long as it takes. you want to know, do you want to know the views of the person that your reader has just quoted. he described women as -- [shouting] >> the honorable member might be interested in this. he described women as subservient to men. he said that homosexuality was unnatural act. he stood on a platform with people who wanted an islamic state. that is why his attempts to do with anti-semitism are utterly condemned to failure. because he won't even condemn people who sit on platforms with people like that. >> jeremy corbyn. >> mr. speaker, i did point out to prime minister, trying to help them but the gentleman is a conservative.
so maybe he would care to think about that anti-but also consider that a former conservative parliamentary candidate said this at the tory mayoral campaign. i'll be voting labour of a lifelong tory voter an ex-candidate, i am ashamed of the repulsive campaign of hate. so, mr. speaker, in fact homelessness has been reduced by 67% in wales, and since the new regulations came in. why can't he do the same in this country? inequality of course is getting worse. education ought to be a route out of poverty but new figures show the number of people participating on a level to adult education course in the first half of this year fell by a fifth compared to last year. how can we tackle inequality when the prime minister's government take away the
opportunity for people to find a pathway out of poverty? >> he talks with inequality. and equality has gone down under this government. to our 764,000 fewer worker households. there are 449,000 fewer children living in workplace household. why? we have a growing economy, a living wage, more jobs, people paying less taxes. that's what's happening under this government. once again i say to them, we are investing in the schools to get people opportunity. investing to allow people to own homes to give them opportunities. he opposes all those things because the truth is this, he may be a friend of the terrorist group hamas but he is an enemy of aspiration. [shouting] >> jeremy corbyn. >> mr. speaker, politics is about choices.
that prime minister can't -- [shouting] >> order, order. order. order. let me very gently say to the assiduous but slightly overenthusiastic andra gentleman member that his role is to be seen and not heard. no further from the honorable gentleman today or his sidekick to his right, which will not shout people down in this chamber. be quiet or leave. very simple. jeremy corbyn. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister government is cutting income tax with the riches, cut capital gains tax, cut corporation tax again and again. at every turn they make the wrong choices. tomorrow people can make their own choices about the crisis of social care, the housing crisis in this country, the unprecedented cuts to local
counsel in areas of greatest need. accounts to for the education taking opportunities away from young people. the choices to be made, they cut taxes for the rich. we want to ensure that there is proper taxation to ensure that are decent services for the re rest. >> he's right, tour is about choices big you can choose a party does on the side of security for hard-working people who want to make sure the are more jobs with better pay, lower taxes, good schools for your children, a seven-day nhs therefore you when you needed, or the other choice. you can back it party that puts extremist overworking people. and that is utterly incapable of providing the leadership your local council needs for our country needs. [shouting] >> thank you, mr. speaker. thank you, mr. speaker. does my right honorable friend
agree in order -- powerhouse that can produce innovation and prosperity come investment is needed. of particular concern to my constituency, the junction. will the prime minister meet with me to discuss how we can keep traffic moving into and out of the great city of manchester and alleviate congestion in my constituency? >> my friend is right to raise this and that's why we established transport to the north to look exactly at schemes like the one she proposes so that we can speak with one voice. it's our investing 13 billion transport across the north over the parliament, plan for the next strategy after 2020 is also now underway so it's the right time to make the point that she does. >> mr. speaker, last week the prime minister, last week the prime minister took issue with a raised the issue of
unaccompanied syrian refugee children in europe and the transports of the 1930s. since then he has been written to by sir eric rice, the chairman of the transport association of jewish refugees and he wrote, the echoes of the past hot many of my constituents that i. i feel it is incumbent on us to once again demonstrate our compassion and human kindness to provide sanctuary to those in need. why has it taken so long from the threat of a parliament defeat to begin changing his mind? >> first of all let me pay tribute to the gentleman that the honorable member raises, and also let's be clear that no country has done more than britain to help when it comes to syria and refugees. no country has raised more money and only the united states has spent more money but i do want
us to proceed with as much support as we can. i think it's right to stick to the principle that we should not be encouraging people to make this dangerous journey. i think it's right to stick to the id we keep investing in the refugee camps and in the neighboring countries. i also think it's right not to take part in the eu relocation and resettlement schemes which have been invited a failure. we are already taking child migrants in europe with a direct family connection to the uk and will speed that up. and also talking to save the children to see what we can do our particularly with children who came your before the eu-turkey deal was signed. because as i say again what i don't want us to do is to take steps that will encourage people to make this dangerous journey here otherwise, our actions however well meaning they could be could result in more people dying rather than more people getting a good life. >> last week i i choose the prime minister up walking by on the other side when the
defendant has been policy opposing further help for unaccompanied refugee children in europe. so if what we are hearing that is indeed the beginning of a u-turn, i very much welcome it and i'm sure to all members on all sides of the house. i encourage them to think more about what can be done given of course that the transport help 10,000 children from europe. to what i ask the prime minister vowed to take the opportunity to thank lord at all campaigners have worked so hard for the uk to live up to the example and spirit of a kindred transport? >> i certainly think all those people deserve recognition for the work they've done to put this issue so scored on the agenda. let me just say again i do reject the comparison with a kindred transport. for this reason. i would argue that what we are doing primarily which is taking children from the region, taking honorable people from the camps, going to the neighboring
countries and taking people into our country, housing them come close in them, feeding them, because they can have a good life here. that to me is like a kindred transport. to say that it is taking today children from france or germany or italy, countries that are democracies i think that is an insult to those countries. but as i've said because of the steps that we are taking it not be necessary to send an and in the back to the other place, the amendment it does not now mentioned the number of people. we will go round the local authorities and see what more we can do but let's stick to the principle that we should not be taking new arrivals to europe. >> the department of health are looking to introduce a dna test for pregnant women in order to reduce the number of miscarriages, but this will have unintended consequences of increasing the number of
abortions for those with down syndrome. i know there's nobody in this house secures more about those with special needs for protection and so will the prime minister meet with me and representatives of the east support group in order we can look at ways of protecting those with down syndrome and that they were not be simply screened out? >> i think my honorable friend raises a very important issue, actually a local group of down syndrome parents came to my constituency on friday and made all these arguments to me. as a constituency, i taking this up with the department of health to make sure all the right processes are followed, the our moral and ethical issues that need to be considered in these cases. but on the other hand, we have respected the views that women want to have screening and testing about the health of their children and we should be in favor of maximum transparency
on the basis that it is optional rather than mandatory but it is part of routine care. so the health sector will have to find a way through this want above all to make sure we go about it in the right way. [inaudible] businesses i believe the eu. >> i listened all the business voices particularly those in manufacturing, so many who say we're better off in a reformed european union. we get an enormous amount of investment particularly from japanese motor industry. i will be welcoming the japanese prime minister to more were i'm sure this will be on the agenda. >> doctor julian mr. lewis. >> number 12 mr. speaker.
>> nato is the cornerstone of britain's defense but our britain's defense but are placed into you in my view, is the lower part of protecting our national security. i would argue it helps in two ways. first by ensuring the issues are so by dialogue and seconded to feith assistance in particular circumstances for example, the balkans. >> i entirely agree about nato because he accept that whilst the curatorships off an attack democracies or other dictatorships, democracy seldom if ever go to war with each other. if the name of the eu is we're constantly told to prevent conflict between its own members as in world war i and to come is it not heading in precisely the wrong direction by trying to create an and elected supranational government of europe which is accountable to nobody? >> my honorable friend has very
long-standing passionate views on this issue. i would make a couple points. first of all i don't think we should forget some of the countries now in the european union until very recently were democracies but were indeed forms of dictatorship. the second point i would make is those countries that i've worked towards membership of the eu have had to put up with all sorts of democratic and other norms to help them on the way. the final point i would make is that we'v we have had an unparad period of peace and prosperity in europe, and my argument would be whether you want to attribute all of that to nader or some of the to the eu, why would you want to put it at risk? >> the findings of the nhs england reports into closure of the mental health hospital in york has concerned the relationship and authorities between all nhs bodies -- [inaudible] our dysfunctional and have failed patient safety.
healthwatch report shows have occurred since life has been lost. will the prime minister not accept that his health act has to change due to the serious pashtun in line with nhs england recommendations speak with i would carefully of what she said but my understand is that she called for action on an outdated and dangerous facility back in july last year. that is exactly what happened or i'm pleased action was taken. it was not fit for purpose. they identified serious and life-threatening issues on patient safety. they were put right and so as a result those places close as obsolete we opened the facility after changes. so of course you're going to have instances of poor practice but what matters is do we intervene fast enough to put them right? in this case i look again at what she said but it does look as if action was taken.
>> the christian you see these and pashtun yazidis are suffering and we should recognize it. may i urge the punisher to indeed get more to replicate the data transport of the 1930s? that is what we are doing in taking children directly from the camps. if we were to take 16 year old from a safe environment in europe we would simply be causing more misery at encouraging the people traffickers. >> my friend basically asked me two questions. when his whether more we can do to label what is happening as genocide. this house has -- under legal definition i believe very much that it is clearly heading, a very strong case for saying it is genocide and help it will be portrayed and spoken as such.
on the issue of the kindertransport i would agree with them. we've got an enormous amount we can be proud of. the money we put into the camps, the fact we raised more in london on one day get any humanitarian conference has ever raised in history of the world. we've got a strong record. we are going to do more for children who are already registered in europe before the eu-turkey deal but the principle we should try to cling to is that we should not do anything that encourages people to make the perilous journey. that's been the cornerstone of our policy and it should remain the case. >> for the benefits of the house and for 10 and 11 year old up and down the country will the prime minister explained with the past progressive -- would differentiate between -- [inaudible] >> i have to say the whole point of these changes is to make sure our children are better educated
than we are. [shouting] and that's what i'm delighted with children going off to do the test. i'm delighted they are going to be. >> thank you, mr. speaker. three years ago, three-year -- >> order. i want to hear his inquiry. >> thank you, mr. speaker. three years ago, five members of the cockburn family were killed in a tragic accident in my constituency. the recently concluded inquest, the corner said at a conference in the work of the proposal by the highway authority to remedy this situation. the council wants to do all they can to carry out the work in fulford however resources are limited. goodbye right honorable friend give series consideration for additional resources to avoid a future tragedy?
>> i will have a close look at the issue he raises. i know the importance of the road for his constituency and have a look at what the high what agency is made available and whether there is real evidence that more can be done to make it safe. >> thank you, mr. speaker. eritrea was described as north korea of africa and the recent inaugural all party group meeting. the uk -- will the prime minister urgently review guidance which -- [inaudible] >> i will look at what he said. we know it is a deeply undemocratic and autocratic country that is the appalling things as people and that's one of the reasons why so many of those seeking to cross the mediterranean normatively being rude have come from the country. we had the opportunity to meet
the leadership as i did at the conference, i made this point very strongly. >> four years ago i asked my right honorable friend on behalf of my mother if the eu referendum vote would be brought forward because of her age. she now wishes to know if she needs to set a world record for longevity before the chilcot report is published? [laughter] >> i think i can -- i think i can reassure your mother that this summer she will have i think a double opportunity to do with these things. a referendum on june 23 i'm sure the chilcot report will come not too much longer after that. spiff i rather imagine she will want a backbench debate on the matter. [laughter] >> -- wishes to complete the
sale of its uk assets by the middle of june, that it wants baby in place by the end of this month. does the prime minister really think that's a realistic timeframe and there will be a credible process of due diligence? what steps has he taken to ensure that deal delivers to be a responsible set out the? >> the honorable gentleman is right about this. the positive news is that the deadline yesterday was met by a number of serious inquiries of interest into buying all of torture and that is good news. we need to work intensively with parker, with those bars to get the list down to those who are really seriously intended to bid for the business buddies right it's a short timetable. he asked what we're doing. we are talking intensively to make sure they do everything they can to make sure this is a serious sales process. >> prime minister made a very important announcement with regard to refugee children.
but time is of the essence because of a peculiar vulnerability, children without the guidance and protection of the families. could the prime minister is an indication to the house how quickly he expects to have those arrangements in place? >> i'm very grateful to my right over front do spoken passionately about this issue. idles any reason why there needs to be a long delay. we need to hurry out conversations with local councils because many are already did in the south of england under pressure because of the number of child refugees who have comes we need to carry out those conversations and hopefully we can make progress during this year. >> documents leaked this week confirmed what most of -- transatlantic trade investment partnerships makes unacceptable concessions to public health and safety regulations, all things -- [inaudible] will the prime minister
recognize -- [inaudible] >> this is the reddest of red herrings i have to say. the health service is completely protected under this agreement as it is under other agreements. look, there are all sorts of reasons people might be against free trade and wanted to see an expansion of trade and investment and jobs. i think we should honest and say we want to see these things happen rather than fighting total but herrings getting in the way of what can add tens of billions of pounds to our economy and bring jobs to our country. [shouting] >> calm yourself, mr. campbell. you are supposed to be a senior statesman here in the house. calm down. take up yoga, i've told you before. sheryll murray. >> by constituents celebrated 150th anniversary this year. will my right honorable friend
join me in congratulating and thinking not only -- but all of them who keep us safe? >> i'm very happy to do that in conjunction with my honorable friend come and inquiry brave people having that some of them particularly during the flood episodes we've had in recent years. i know that in its professionalism and dedication they bring to the des task and o put their lives at risk all the time. they really are the bravest of the brave. >> number 13, mr. speaker. >> what matters is what works and allows the government to make long-term decisions in the long-term interest of the country. in my view, five year fixed parliament are important part of that. >> can the prime minister ensure the government performance also includes the long overdue creation of a center evidence of sexual abuse of children? something i first raised with margaret thatcher in 1989.
we can do with the awful consequences of child sex abuse, but we must also use early intervention expertise to stop it from happening in the first place. will the prime minister thank the excellent work of ministers and members from all parties and get much-needed what work center up and running without delay within the five year term of this government speak was i'm glad the honorable gentleman rescued his own question with those last words. we are grateful to him. constitutionally. [laughter] >> i'm sorry to say a question 1989 takes a lot to get an answer but i can tell the setting up a center of the expertise of sex abuse is exactly the home office is doing. it will play a significant role on what works to prevent and deal with sexual abuse and exploitation alongside this the department of education existing work center -- able to refer the
best examples but it's a good example of government reform which i know he supports. >> the prime minister and we can be very proud of the fact in recent years we've reduced both the relative poverty and income inequality. we are a one nation party. so does he agree with lord rose, the leader of the remaining campaign that if we were to leave the eu and exercise greater control of immigration and public services that we would rise even further? >> i think what would happen if we were to leave the eu is we would see an impact on our economy that would be largely negative. that's not just my view, that's the view of the bank of england, the imf adequate number of international bodies. i would say to anyone who wants to make this choice is the choice for the british people the choice to make but we have to be clear about the economic consequences.
>> in 1972, nine months married and six was pregnant with her first child, my constituent susan received a knock on the door to say her husband had been killed in action in northern ireland. yet when susan married, she lost all compensation for her and her daughter, and still has no compensation for having made that huge sacrifice to a disgrace the way to treat those of lost loved ones serving our country. with the prime minister meet with me and her to discuss this case and the injustice that still face several hundred war widows in this country? >> i will make sure that susan gets immediate attention that she deserves. i know my right honorable friend the minister for defense personal veterans met with the association early to put forward the case. it was this government that did make the historic change so the war widows to remarry from april 1, 2015, would retain their war widows pension.
i was a change long as for a delivered under this government. we will look at this issue but at the moment we are of the view the long-standing policy of successive governments that we should not make these changes and apply them retrospectively. >> thank you, mr. speaker. yesterday the fourth affairs select committee start our inquiry. this afternoon i have a debate, despite all the detentions that exist between our two countries will the prime minister it was assured he will redouble his efforts to try to lower tensions for the follow permanent member of the council? >> of course we want to keep tensions low and, of course, we want to have good relations but we cannot ignore the fact that russian backed undirected separatists have effectively tried to redraw the boundaries of europe. and when we consider how dangerous exercises like i've been in the past we have to take it extremely serious in the
present. [shouting] >> can i thank the prime minister for joining the rest of the planet in congratulating the football club on the brilliant and historic success? during this amazing season the local hero gary, thought the idea was so far-fetched is that if they did when he would present match of the day in his underwear. [shouting] >> don't join him. >> as a supporter -- does he agree that politics as well as in football when you make a promise, you should keep it? >> i absolutely agree. i have been watching -- [laughter]
everything kerry has said since he's not quite answering the question can something of course no one ever gets away with in this house. so i welcome what he says. obviously, i hope it's just the start of them joining the blue team. [shouting] >> order. >> [inaudible conversations] >> here uncertainty we will leave the british house of commons as members move on to other business. you have been watching prime
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geoscience from penn state university. that's about as big as it gets unless you're going to be going into petroleum geology, and then you've got to texas a&m which is where he got his ph.d. he also has a masters in strategic studies on energy policy at johns hopkins school of advanced international studies industry. aside from that he is not qualified. and marc humphries is going to follow ned. marc is a specialist in mineral policy for the congresscongress ional research service and he's been there for about 28 years or so. he's highly experienced. he works extensive with members of congress congressional committee and the staff and is the author of several congressional research service reports. when you ask about the minerals and government policy, he's the go to guy. so ned was able to find in a cave in to comment on subject
matter. his areas of interest are rare earth elements, critical and strategic minerals, energy so but on public laws, offshore energy and mineral development in asia and africa. he will be commenting on ned stalk which is called "america's need for critical minerals versus federal land management." so you can tell it's going to be an interesting talk to does all i can say is a lot of people think what comes out of the wall, electricity can just comes out of a blog and some people think where earths are the ones that are not really cooked. but no, every strategic and critical for our science and technology. ned? >> all right very good. thank you for those kind comments. i appreciate that and thank you all for visiting cato institute and today i called and i are
thrilled to be able to speak with you today on critical minerals and it's an important topic and we look forward to a lively q&a session afterwards. i wanted to start out and let you know that basically as you probably know, much has already been said about critical minerals, beginning with 2008 landmark study that came out from the national academy of sciences natural resource council. that book, i'm sure you've seen it before, the study director was a colleague of mine and she couldn't be here today. she was on travel. this is certainly a book for a series of student of critical minerals. i believe these other afterwards. we can talk about them. you can copy down the title author, whatever. beginning in 2008 with the
publication of that, we've had an almost string of events without and that have to do with critical minerals. and it has involved the usgs briefings on the hill. it's involved the national academy briefings. it's involved in mineral industry and environmental group congressional testimony, and also think tank he'll briefings and the like. and then all of a sudden, most of you have probably experienced these things, or some of them. but then something changed in 2010. that was simply the huge boost that the idea of a critical minerals received when china decided to embark critical minerals from the country of japan bringing their electronics industry virtually to its knees in very short order. and with that wakeup call people began to look again at critical minerals.
and the media has reported pretty reasonably ongoing articles and stories and exposés. and all of those sort of culminated with another boost we received at the end of last year with the publication of the book entitled the elements of power, i david abraham. i wil believe this up here for s to look at. i don't know what it is, i asked mr. abram kabir and he wanted to be your buddy is on travel as well, so we will just go without the authors. but clearly there's a growing interest in critical minerals. today we want to build on that interest, marc and i. and our challenge is to provide you with a clear understanding of the broader topics that surround critical minerals. and what those include are the following. we want to share with you concepts of understanding mineral wealth, resources versus reserves.
that's often, people understand the difference so we're going to try to set you straight on the. critical versus strategic, that's another one that needs to be sorted out as best we can. the idea of the geologic distribution in the world for critical minerals as well as supply and demand. we will go over that in detail. are there shortages and now, and what kind of shortages are there? also, impacts that impact domestic exploration and mining industry, and i'm going to also include a case study entitled bear lodge wyoming. i'm assuming some kind of a mid-level understanding in your. some of you haven't heard about some of these things but i don't think anybody here has heard the latest on bear lodge some anxious to share that with you. and then finally in the end we will wrap up with how to better secure our mineral future. so that's our agenda.
let me tell you about a really great quote that i found here in elements of power. and you can read it but let me read it with you. i like it as mr. abrams has said, where earth's are everywhere from bridges to earphone buds. they are rarely used alone. rather they fill the same role as used in pizza, only used in small amounts but absolutely essential. and then he goes on to say, without yeast there is no pizza, and without critical minerals and their rare earth derivatives, there is no high-tech world. that's a quote from his book. so i commend the book to you and again we can talk about it later.
i'm going to show you the broad spectrum of what it is we're talking about as far as commodities in the world of geology and mineral economics. these are the different classes of minerals and there's more than and i have here and some of these can be combined into one class. but consider the following. you have the industrial minerals, subset of that is construction materials. outdoor important different areas of the country, different areas of the world. metallic, just what it says, causes more than one mineral associate with them. nonferrous, i don't have to tell you, mineral fuels, uranium, even cool. where earth come we've all heard of that. where metals which is a subject of this book along with critical minerals. precious metals, many of which are critical.
and then, of course, critical minerals and then when does a critical minerals become strategic? these are some of the things that concept want to talk about as well. the concept here is understanding mineral wealth. and as we step through the last three decades we can see how much these minerals and their derivatives that boosted "the wealth of nations." just look at what they've done for computer chips, for example. from the '80s, 12 elements. then in the '90s, 16. today, computer-chip has anywhere between 60-70 taliban spend it, and every single year that increasing. -- 60-70 elements in it. same thing with the communication are you of the old clunky cell phones, as clunky as they were now looking back, they still that 30 or 35 elements into.
today's new iphone six from apple, 70 elements, and they are all necessary. take one, for example, india. without india you couldn't slide, you could scroll and that's part of the screen and that makes that mineral so critical to be able to do that. but for high-tech roads to continue come it's going to require critical minerals and other elements an and this would require them to sustain newer and newer technologies, even the green technologies that we are looking forward to such as solar, wind, batteries and lighting and the like. so they are married, and as we have more and more green technology we are going to require more and more minerals. but what i want to do though is remind you right now up front,
no matter which side of the argument that you come down on, whether you favor no mining or some mining of total mining, whatever, that is not as important as to facts regarding minerals about which most people agree totally. number one, the high-tech and green revolutions create a demand for critical minerals that is absolutely exploding. and there is, on top of that, and absolute mismatch between the demand for critical minerals and their availability in the united states and other developed countries who are producers of the gadgets that we would like to buy. and, of course, begin in abraham's book he goes over that more carefully but that is sort of the crux of what we are now. for more gadgets, the more mining. in the end today as we wrap up we'll show you other alternatives to mining.
i'm an alumni of the usgs, and it's probably one of the greatest taxpayer returns on investment ever. i love the agency. it's done a lot of good work. about 35 years ago, their director at the time sat down and he pretty much pulled is on his own the idea mineral resource classification. it really had not been put out there as a sickly as he put it out as you see here posted behind me. he said, look, we have two classes of minerals, reserves and resources. the reserves i can identify and map them, drill them, and i can tell you, for example, if there measured or inferred value. versus resources that i have not discovered yet but they are hypothetical or maybe even speculative. so he made that distinction if any further divided resources into measured and indicated.
in the upper left hand corner you'll see the box reserve, and that's what reserves are. they are indicated. they are actually bankable indigo industry. you can book reserves, take it to the bank and use as collateral. so there's a difference now between reserves and resources. the media sometimes will mix them up we need to keep them straight in our mind. if i tell you we need more critical mineral resources, well, okay, that are not anymore. the resources are what they are. what we need you do is identify more and that those and identify those and value those. in addition to fix and geologic time and space, economics will govern whether a mineral deposit is mineable or not to if you look down the column of deposits
it economic, marginally economic or some economic or know what is interested in it, depending on how easy it is to get to, the harder it is to get you, the more money is going to take it as the price goes up there is more money available to get it. this whole chart can be summarized as an analogy in the oil and gas industry. the oil and gas found out is called unconventional. ..